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Now... what was all the secrecy for?

ElikalElikal ValhallaPosts: 8,063Member

You know, a few hours before "half-open" beta, I can not help but wonder... what the heck was all the secrecy for?

I mean, in those 2+ years, Bioware always had their "we can't talk about this", making people belief what never seen before things we should expect. Now while TOR sure is a good and decend game... I wonder where the innovation is? Maybe it is ok that TOR is just WOW in space, I don't mind that. But then what was the secrecy for? Weren't we always told some super, never seen stuff was brewed there? Endgame as never before! PVP systems as never seen!

I dunno, compared too the total standard fare MMO SWTOR is, I can only laugh about all their shush-hush-secrecy they celebrated all these years! Ohhh we have such a secret... and then it's just a game like so many before. How... odd.

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  • dubyahitedubyahite Lincoln, NEPosts: 2,483Member

    Originally posted by Elikal

    You know, a few hours before "half-open" beta, I can not help but wonder... what the heck was all the secrecy for?

    I mean, in those 2+ years, Bioware always had their "we can't talk about this", making people belief what never seen before things we should expect. Now while TOR sure is a good and decend game... I wonder where the innovation is? Maybe it is ok that TOR is just WOW in space, I don't mind that. But then what was the secrecy for? Weren't we always told some super, never seen stuff was brewed there? Endgame as never before! PVP systems as never seen!

    I dunno, compared too the total standard fare MMO SWTOR is, I can only laugh about all their shush-hush-secrecy they celebrated all these years! Ohhh we have such a secret... and then it's just a game like so many before. How... odd.

    That's just the way Bioware is. They don't talk about stuff until they know it is going in the game. This is very smart in my opinion. 

     

    There aren't going to be features missing at launch because they didn't come out and announce every half baked idea some intern in accounting came up with. While I have been in beta, whenever they announced a feature it was already in the game or they put it in right when they announced it.  

    I'm sure there are a few exceptions to this, but I can't think of any. 

     

    Features and systems that were scrapped or had to be pushed back after launch weren't talked about. No empty promises. I have to wonder what kind of stuff got left on the cutting room floor so to speak. 

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  • MetentsoMetentso BarcelonaPosts: 1,436Member Common

    lol true.

    One thing is clear, they know how to sell.

  • dubyahitedubyahite Lincoln, NEPosts: 2,483Member

    Originally posted by Metentso

    lol true.

    One thing is clear, they know how to sell.

    They're almost similar to Apple in a sense. They have very tight information control, although they are a little more public facing than Apple is. Still though, I can see the similarities. They are very private, and you don't see that many big information leaks. 

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  • AdamTMAdamTM Frankfurt Am MainPosts: 1,376Member

    Originally posted by Elikal

    You know, a few hours before "half-open" beta, I can not help but wonder... what the heck was all the secrecy for?

     

    Simple: Marketing

     

    Building anticipation.

     

    Its like you would ask your parents what you get for christmas after you saw a big fancy box in the closet and they will say "we cant tell you, but its something you always wanted".

    Except if you open it its just a pair of shoes you were talking about 2 years ago and that went out of style.

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  • MegaTommyMegaTommy KielcePosts: 31Member

    None of the Bioware games were truly innovative.

    I mean, look at Mass Effect for example. It's basically a Gears of War combat system with some RPG elements. But does it work? Hell yeah it does.

    Same goes with TOR. It's same old, but feels very fresh and it works.

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  • IsawaIsawa Middle 0 Nowhere, ORPosts: 1,051Member

    Amount of content and features looking to be included in the game vs. timeframe. If Bioware was not sure that certain aspects would be included in the game, they definitely did not want anyone speaking of those features.

    Plus letting out bits of information every Friday instead of unleashing it all at once retains attention over a longer production period.

    And...most projects people work on and actually dedicate a good deal of time to and feel strongly towards will lead to them not really wanting all this news flying about, while the project is being refined and updated consistantly.

    Showcase the nearly final or final project.

  • YamotaYamota LondonPosts: 6,620Member

    It is to build up expectations and make more people pre-order. Now what we know that the game is a mix of Mass Effect and WoW with nothing truly innovative the expectations will probably go down.

  • QuesaQuesa Sacramento, CAPosts: 1,246Member

    Originally posted by Yamota

    It is to build up expectations and make more people pre-order. Now what we know that the game is a mix of Mass Effect and WoW with nothing truly innovative the expectations will probably go down.

    Um, it was known that the game had these attributes long before the NDA lift.

  • dubyahitedubyahite Lincoln, NEPosts: 2,483Member

    Originally posted by Quesa

    Originally posted by Yamota

    It is to build up expectations and make more people pre-order. Now what we know that the game is a mix of Mass Effect and WoW with nothing truly innovative the expectations will probably go down.

    Um, it was known that the game had these attributes long before the NDA lift.

    Haha yeah. If you didn't know that before the NDA lift then I don't know what to tell you. 

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  • Ghost021Ghost021 LisbonPosts: 84Member
    Perhaps to prevent their competitors to know too much? Marketing strategy? You know people become extremely curious about something they know , yet, know. Its like girls, when you seem them at the beach in bikini, its all the same, but when at work or college mit clothes on its a whole diferent thing, especially if you are interested.

    Thats the thing, they wanted to keep people interested in the game.

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  • tawesstawess LkpgPosts: 2,535Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by Yamota

    It is to build up expectations and make more people pre-order. Now what we know that the game is a mix of Mass Effect and WoW with nothing truly innovative the expectations will probably go down.

    And that i precisly why i buy it, combine one of my favourtie RPG's with one of the most polished MMO's out there. It is a win/win with extra win on the side. You do not need to re-invent the wheel all the time and i think this will be my bwtween now and Pandaria game.

     

    Yeah... I like WoW and i am sure that i will like SWTOR.

     

    But yes it is a combination of marketing strategy and smart thinking, after all ask some of the people over at WoW about the dance studio or path of the titans. It is always smart to not talk about features or systems until they are fully ready and in game.

  • mrw0lfmrw0lf LondonPosts: 2,269Member

    Didn't really see any difference than every other mmo whilst in development.

    I think it's more along the lines of preventing people from giving information and reviews on incomplete game mechanics which show the game in a bad light and kill it before it's even out the gate.

    Besides which I've not seen a game with quite so many leaks and good quality leaks (such as live streaming) as TOR, so I'm sure where the whole 'they are super secret and good at keeping it that way' thing comes from.

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  • GMan3GMan3 Ewa Beach, HIPosts: 2,127Member

        Well, let's see.  I would say the biggest reason is managing expectations.  First, game feature expectations.  If you talk about what you plan on having in the game 3 years before release and then at one and a half years you realize you can't make it happen and tell everyone, there is often a lot of mud slinging going on.  A good example of this is BioWare talking about customizable ship interiors that it turned out they could not fit in before release.  A lot of people were and continue to be upset over that.  Second, playability expectations.  If you let BETA players talk about how buggy the game is a year prior to release it attracts the trolls like flies to rotten meat.  This is about the most unfair reaction any company can have to deal with, so it is best in the end to just stop the testers from talking.

        Keep in mind, that is only what I feel the biggest reason is (51%).  The other reason, in my opinion, is marketing (49%).  Thankfully enough people have already talked about that so I don't need to go into it.

        What I am really wondering though is, "What do we NOT know about yet?"  I could be wrong, but every good company holds something back for the last minute.  So what is BioWare holding back?

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  • YamotaYamota LondonPosts: 6,620Member

    Originally posted by dubyahite

    Originally posted by Quesa


    Originally posted by Yamota

    It is to build up expectations and make more people pre-order. Now what we know that the game is a mix of Mass Effect and WoW with nothing truly innovative the expectations will probably go down.

    Um, it was known that the game had these attributes long before the NDA lift.

    Haha yeah. If you didn't know that before the NDA lift then I don't know what to tell you. 

    That is was a mix of Mass Effect and WoW was given, but I did not know that there would not be anything truly innovative and just copy-paste from other games. I know Blizzard had this reputation but not Bioware.

  • SupersoupsSupersoups New Orleans, LAPosts: 1,004Member

    Originally posted by Yamota

    Originally posted by dubyahite


    Originally posted by Quesa


    Originally posted by Yamota

    It is to build up expectations and make more people pre-order. Now what we know that the game is a mix of Mass Effect and WoW with nothing truly innovative the expectations will probably go down.

    Um, it was known that the game had these attributes long before the NDA lift.

    Haha yeah. If you didn't know that before the NDA lift then I don't know what to tell you. 

    That is was a mix of Mass Effect and WoW was given, but I did not know that there would not be anything truly innovative and just copy-paste from other games. I know Blizzard had this reputation but not Bioware.

    Anything at all? come on now that is a bit of exaggeration. Robust companion system and crew crafting is quite an innovation. The only other MMO to have such an expansive companion system was FFXI. Now you may not like what they are innovating but to say there is ZERO innovation is just being biased.

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  • mikahrmikahr ZagrebPosts: 1,066Member

    They werent all that shy about it - story, story, story.

    They aint been talking a lot that beneath it its WoW clone until lately.

    Endgame with a twist? - still waiting on the twist.

  • ThaneThane berlinPosts: 2,232Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by Elikal

    You know, a few hours before "half-open" beta, I can not help but wonder... what the heck was all the secrecy for?

    I mean, in those 2+ years, Bioware always had their "we can't talk about this", making people belief what never seen before things we should expect. Now while TOR sure is a good and decend game... I wonder where the innovation is? Maybe it is ok that TOR is just WOW in space, I don't mind that. But then what was the secrecy for? Weren't we always told some super, never seen stuff was brewed there? Endgame as never before! PVP systems as never seen!

    I dunno, compared too the total standard fare MMO SWTOR is, I can only laugh about all their shush-hush-secrecy they celebrated all these years! Ohhh we have such a secret... and then it's just a game like so many before. How... odd.

    stopped reading after "wow in space". it's not.

     

    uh and they surely did not promote "pvp like never seen before", must have been one of your wet dreams :>

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  • ExilorExilor Las Palmas de Gran CanariaPosts: 391Member

    Originally posted by Thane

    Originally posted by Elikal

    You know, a few hours before "half-open" beta, I can not help but wonder... what the heck was all the secrecy for?

    I mean, in those 2+ years, Bioware always had their "we can't talk about this", making people belief what never seen before things we should expect. Now while TOR sure is a good and decend game... I wonder where the innovation is? Maybe it is ok that TOR is just WOW in space, I don't mind that. But then what was the secrecy for? Weren't we always told some super, never seen stuff was brewed there? Endgame as never before! PVP systems as never seen!

    I dunno, compared too the total standard fare MMO SWTOR is, I can only laugh about all their shush-hush-secrecy they celebrated all these years! Ohhh we have such a secret... and then it's just a game like so many before. How... odd.

    stopped reading after "wow in space". it's not.

     

    uh and they surely did not promote "pvp like never seen before", must have been one of your wet dreams :>

    You did not stop reading then...

  • whilanwhilan Everett, WAPosts: 3,172Member Uncommon

    The secrecy is for the same reason as it is with every game that comes out. IT's to keep things under lock and key until you are ready to show them.

    So people don't start saying oh this feature is in game and then you have to take it out for X reason and people get mad. This didn't always work well as the companion death thing will show.

    But it was so you'd judge the game what it is now, not what grandeur expections were givin out before hand by people who test the game. It's also so if there are bugs in the game it doesn't hurt it's rep as the only people who are suppose to know about said bugs (prior to the NDA drop) are the devs and the testers.

    Basically it's to keep it secret until they are ready to say, hey okay, this is what the game is. That i feel really is all there is to it.

    Help me Bioware, you're my only hope.

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  • PrecusorPrecusor PalmaPosts: 4,733Member Uncommon

    They do that to all there games.

  • IcewhiteIcewhite Elmhurst, ILPosts: 6,403Member

    Look, it's a variant of Standard Bash #14.

    Let's turn the question around: Why are you still posting these?

    It's ok to talk and talk and talk youself into not liking something.  Don't spend your cash, that's all right.

    But what's the payoff for remaining incendiary long after it matters?

     

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  • ktanner3ktanner3 lakeland, FLPosts: 4,074Member Common
    Originally posted by Icewhite

    Look, it's a variant of Standard Bash #14.
    Let's turn the question around: Why are you still posting these?
    It's ok to talk and talk and talk youself into not liking something.  Don't spend your cash, that's all right.
    But what's the payoff for remaining incendiary long after it matters?
     

     

    That's a good question. At some point he has to realize this game isn't for him and move on to another game in development.

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  • SupersoupsSupersoups New Orleans, LAPosts: 1,004Member

    Originally posted by ktanner3

    Originally posted by Icewhite

    Look, it's a variant of Standard Bash #14.

    Let's turn the question around: Why are you still posting these?

    It's ok to talk and talk and talk youself into not liking something.  Don't spend your cash, that's all right.

    But what's the payoff for remaining incendiary long after it matters?

     

     

    That's a good question. At some point he has to realize this game isn't for him and move on to another game in development.

    Nah that is not going to happen. Some people just can not let it go. 

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  • NibsNibs .Posts: 216Member Uncommon

    People have and will claim it is for marketting.

    And it is...Partially.

    There is another reason though that people instantly dismiss when given: MMO players, particularly those that follow a game pre-release, are whiny arsed bitches.

    Scenario:

    3 years pre-release a dev says their game will have invisible pink unicorns as a player mounts. Players get excited about this: "Unicorns that are both pink and invisible?!?! That's unpossible", they scream.

    9 months pre-release the devs announce they have had to cut the invisible pink unicorns because they could not get them to be both invisible and pink and there are more important features to spent dev time on.

    Aforementioned whiny arsed bitches explode all over the forums and the CMs have to spend the next 3 weeks fighting fires and trying to calm everyone down.

    This has happened time and time again. Bioware opted to simply not mention something until they were certain it would make it in, in some form, for release.

    That's what all the secrecy was about: Not giving the whiny arsed bitches anything to whine about.

  • DarkPonyDarkPony RotterdamPosts: 5,566Member

    Originally posted by Supersoups

    Originally posted by ktanner3


    Originally posted by Icewhite

    Look, it's a variant of Standard Bash #14.

    Let's turn the question around: Why are you still posting these?

    It's ok to talk and talk and talk youself into not liking something.  Don't spend your cash, that's all right.

    But what's the payoff for remaining incendiary long after it matters?

     

     

    That's a good question. At some point he has to realize this game isn't for him and move on to another game in development.

    Nah that is not going to happen. Some people just can not let it go. 

    Seems so ..

    *looks at Elikal disappointedly*

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