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Thread I posted on GW2GURU regarding the Mods

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  • MMOtoGOMMOtoGO Freeland, MIPosts: 630Member

    I can't blame the OP for posting this on this site.  This isn't the first time I've heard these kinds of concerns, and it's obvious that not enough is being done to resolve them.  At least the GW2GURU people can't delete this thread so quickly or easily.

    For those of you who accuse the OP of flaming: how would anything we care about improve if we don't draw attention to weaknesses or flaws?  Flaming is the act of complaining with no redemptive value, which is not the case with the OP.

  • doragon86doragon86 Boston, MAPosts: 589Member

    Meh. You're simply posting on a board that is run by straight up fanboys. What sort of response do you expect when you criticize their beloved game? If you feel stifled, simply stop posting there and move on. Posting your complaints here won't do much.


    Originally posted by MMO.Maverick

    Besides, iirc wasn't it the case that ANet would open official forums themselves in due time? Or was that an unfounded, unofficial rumor that I read a while back?

    I certainly hope they do have their own official boards at launch.

    "For the Angel of Death spread his wings on the blast,
    And breathed in the face of the foe as he passed:
    And the eyes of the sleepers waxed deadly and chill,
    And their hearts but once heaved, and for ever grew still!"
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  • Br3akingDawnBr3akingDawn a City, CAPosts: 1,357Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by doragon86

    Meh. You're simply posting on a board that is run by straight up fanboys. What sort of response do you expect when you criticize their beloved game? If you feel stifled, simply stop posting there and move on. Posting your complaints here won't do much.


    Originally posted by MMO.Maverick

    Besides, iirc wasn't it the case that ANet would open official forums themselves in due time? Or was that an unfounded, unofficial rumor that I read a while back?

    I certainly hope they do have their own official boards at launch.

    I certainly hope so too, dont see why they wouldnt.  Certainly would make the GW2 community even greater!

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  • KostKost Vancouver, BCPosts: 1,975Member

    Originally posted by grunty

    Some people need to learn the NIMBY rule the hard way. Stop bitching about the free beer when you're in someone else's backyard.

     

  • CicceroCiccero Rossville, GAPosts: 118Member

    You cannot post a concern or something you have issue with, on these forusm either due to the feed it scatters in all directions,pulling those trolls out.

    People are going to bash you over and over.

    My POV is simple

    If I spend all day cooking, I do not want to hear if you think something needs more salt or more peper. Eat it ,shut up and tell me thanks,period. That is how the Mods/Devs take it.

    Likes and dislike threads are trash,period. You have been handed your plate,eat it and say thank you is the approach.

    Imagine how many turds have made WOW references since the boards went up ? lol

    Now imagine osmeone complaining about some aspect they do not like.

    Now, get that " I HAVE A RIGHT TO AN OPPINION" mind-set and then reflect on how many twits have given oppinions since day 1.

    That BS about devs carring what the players think is that,BS. They make a game they think will be a hit,they make changes they feel are better and they spend the day on end hours for years making it something to play so people can come rant...

     

    No,shut up and eat your food,jsut say thanks.

    When you are a paying customer,then complain

  • fonyfony hempstead, NYPosts: 755Member

    Originally posted by doragon86

    Meh. You're simply posting on a board that is run by straight up fanboys. What sort of response do you expect when you criticize their beloved game? If you feel stifled, simply stop posting there and move on. Posting your complaints here won't do much.


    Originally posted by MMO.Maverick

    Besides, iirc wasn't it the case that ANet would open official forums themselves in due time? Or was that an unfounded, unofficial rumor that I read a while back?

    I certainly hope they do have their own official boards at launch.

    lol, actually at least half of the mods aren't very enthusiastic about the game. one thing i'll say, they're surprisingly objective(moreso than some posters). they may get into petty shit about opinions and such, but there's almost no moderation stemming from criticizing the game itslef. hell, they let dinhosaur(robert dinh on this site) run free for ages. Fernling360 is still active, and he's simply a flat out troll. literally all trolling of every single piece of info that has come out since he started posting there.

     

    it makes it all the more baffling that they fucking impose there will so damn much, but don't clean up the biggest riff raff.

  • frestonfreston orensePosts: 521Member

    Originally posted by ebonized

    How was my post a flame or a troll? It was neither - it was an attempt at improving the atmosphere of the forums, where many of us find is congestive. What is so wrong with that?

     

    I can agree about taking it to private message or email, which I have already done

    You are absolutely right. No part of your post could be considered trolling (no irony here, just the plain truth)

  • minttunatorminttunator ViimsiPosts: 131Member

    I don't really have a problem with most of the mods on Guru - sure, they're a bit harsh with closing threads sometimes, but I guess I'd rather have that than the trollfest that goes on in most other forums. The few times that my posts have been moderated over there have been warranted, more or less. 

    I do take issue, though, with the attitude of one particular mod who insists on being a pr*ck about moderating. This dude often makes snide comments after closing a thread and calls the posters names, which is completely unprofessional and uncalled for, in my opinion. If that guy lost his privileges or at least toned down the attitude and d*ckish behaviour somewhat, I'd have pretty much no problem with Guru moderation whatsoever. :)

  • wojtekplwojtekpl WroPosts: 424Member

    ebonized, it's clear from your posts that you  have no idea how forums work from

     

    Just because you say something you do isn't trolling it doesn't mean you're right. Read the rules ten times and don't blindly press "Agree" button next time.

  • DarkPonyDarkPony RotterdamPosts: 5,566Member

    Can't fathom why a politely written letter with a genuine concern like that would be closed or removed. I guess the blanket rule of "no discussing moderation" most forums have was abused for that.

    Anyway. I wouldn't want to invest my time on a subjective board like that. Most official forums of mmorpgs are more open to critical but constructive feedback compared to that bloated fansite.

    Better to stay at mmorpg.com where constructive crtisism and varying opinions are allowed.

     

     

  • wojtekplwojtekpl WroPosts: 424Member

    Originally posted by DarkPony

    Can't fathom why a politely written letter with a genuine concern like that would be closed or removed. I guess the blanket rule of "no discussing moderation" most forums have was abused for that.

    Anyway. I wouldn't want to invest my time on a subjective board like that. Most official forums of mmorpgs are more open to critical but constructive feedback compared to that bloated fansite.

    Better to stay at mmorpg.com where constructive crtisism and varying opinions are allowed.

     

     

    Thing is, almost every single forum has a rule that if you wish to discuss moderation in any form you have to take it in private. This kind of thing isn't a reality show so no wonder they didn't like it.

  • marz.at.playmarz.at.play Mississauga, ONPosts: 912Member

    Discussing moderation on any fansite or forum can be taken out of context against the mods of that particular fansite or forum. Keep in mind that communication may be interpreted in different ways when it's being typed out and read by someone. It's never like a face to face conversation because you can not hear the tone of voice, nor the facial expression when you are reading text. In the end it may also be taken as an attack against the job they think they are doing well.

    Food for thought.

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  • FalcomithFalcomith Hastings, FLPosts: 800Member

    Originally posted by ebonized

    "Hi there. I've been a part of this site for about a year now

    OP, you have been here about a year? Check your join date next to your name (3/31/11). Try about 6 months. Sorry, but now you just lost credibility.  I cant prove it, but I could have sworn I saw this same posting on this site months back. 

    ebonized

     



     

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  • ShojuShoju Hicksville, NYPosts: 771Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by Falcomith

    Originally posted by ebonized

    "Hi there. I've been a part of this site for about a year now

    OP, you have been here about a year? Check your join date next to your name (3/31/11). Try about 6 months. Sorry, but now you just lost credibility.  I cant prove it, but I could have sworn I saw this same posting on this site months back. 

    ebonized

     



     

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    He was referring to Guild Wars 2 Guru.  The OP is a copy of a post he made there.

  • FalcomithFalcomith Hastings, FLPosts: 800Member

    Originally posted by Shoju

    Originally posted by Falcomith


    Originally posted by ebonized

    "Hi there. I've been a part of this site for about a year now

    OP, you have been here about a year? Check your join date next to your name (3/31/11). Try about 6 months. Sorry, but now you just lost credibility.  I cant prove it, but I could have sworn I saw this same posting on this site months back. 

    ebonized

     



     

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    He was referring to Guild Wars 2 Guru.  The OP is a copy of a post he made there.

    Ah. Then my apoligies OP. 

    However that post or one very similar has been floating around for some time. I think someone has something agianst the mods of that site and keeps bringing it up.

  • ShojuShoju Hicksville, NYPosts: 771Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by Falcomith

    Originally posted by Shoju


    Originally posted by Falcomith


    Originally posted by ebonized

    "Hi there. I've been a part of this site for about a year now

    OP, you have been here about a year? Check your join date next to your name (3/31/11). Try about 6 months. Sorry, but now you just lost credibility.  I cant prove it, but I could have sworn I saw this same posting on this site months back. 

    ebonized

     



     

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    He was referring to Guild Wars 2 Guru.  The OP is a copy of a post he made there.

    Ah. Then my apoligies OP. 

    However that post or one very similar has been floating around for some time. I think someone has something agianst the mods of that site and keeps bringing it up.

    There have been a number of threads regarding the moderation antics of the GW2Guru staff mainly because many find their actions to be a bit over zealous.

  • semantikronsemantikron Edwardsville, ILPosts: 258Member

    Originally posted by wojtekpl

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    Thing is, almost every single forum has a rule that if you wish to discuss moderation in any form you have to take it in private. This kind of thing isn't a reality show so no wonder they didn't like it.

    There's a good reason for that rule, but it has nothing to do with the OP.  Moderation is the process of settling disputes between individuals whose opinions seem so at odds that they are incapable of being civil.  If a participant in a dispute has a problem with the way moderation is being handled, yes, that must be dealt with in a side channel, or the moderation is compromised.

    The OP is talking about Editing, even though Guru is hiding it behind the Moderation tag.  The people with their fingers over the Delete Post button are making editorial decisions based on some set of criteria that has nothing to do with conflict between posters.  So privacy of moderation has no bearing, and unless the site is trying to curb its membership, user feedback might be important to them.

    But it might not be.  Attitudes like the ones expressed by the site's editors are seldom generated below the highest level of authority.

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  • Creslin321Creslin321 Baltimore, MDPosts: 5,359Member

    Hmmmmm...well I don't doubt that the GW2Guru mods have done some over-zealous moderation from time to time, but I fail to see this "censorship conspiracy" theory on GW2Guru.  Maybe I'm just missing something, but could someone give an example of a post that was "unjustly" censored by these mods?

    Heck, one of the top threads on GW2Guru for like months now is "What do you NOT like about GW2?" where people sound off about their dislikes.  It's a thread specifically FOR negative feedback.  If GW2Guru's mod "gestapo" was censoring anything negative about GW2, then how did this thread exist for so long?

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  • semantikronsemantikron Edwardsville, ILPosts: 258Member

    Yes, indeed.  Everyone who has an issue with the way communication on the board is curtailed, please raise your hand.  O wait...  hmmm.... the people with control of the communication seem to have a kind of power in this situation people at the Pentagon like to refer to as 'asymmetrical'.

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  • UnlightUnlight Ottawa, ONPosts: 2,540Member

    Originally posted by Creslin321

    Hmmmmm...well I don't doubt that the GW2Guru mods have done some over-zealous moderation from time to time, but I fail to see this "censorship conspiracy" theory on GW2Guru.  Maybe I'm just missing something, but could someone give an example of a post that was "unjustly" censored by these mods?

    Heck, one of the top threads on GW2Guru for like months now is "What do you NOT like about GW2?" where people sound off about their dislikes.  It's a thread specifically FOR negative feedback.  If GW2Guru's mod "gestapo" was censoring anything negative about GW2, then how did this thread exist for so long?

    I've never said that they are censoring anything critical of GW2, but they do use their moderator status unprofessionally when they disagree about something. 

    The incident that finally sealed it for me was when a mod chimed in on a conversation, voiced his differing opinion, insulted the OP for even expressing his in the first place, then locked the thread.  Locking the thread was definitely unwarranted because the discussion was mostly civil, but weighing in with his own opinion before permanently denying anyone their chance to refute him was the height of unprofessional, not to mention, completely irresponsible.

    Beyond that, I did see one of my own threads just disappear when a moderator decided it wasn't worthy of being open.  I disagree that it was any less valid than so many other discussions in the Off-Topic forum and it absolutely did not breach any of the ToS stipulations.  Even so, I wouldn't have minded all that much if I'd been given some kind of notice that it was being deleted.  Instead, it just disappeared into the ether, making me wonder for a short time if I'd forgotten to hit the Post button when I finished writing it.  At least here, when one of my posts get deleted, I pretty much have it coming and I'm always notified and given a reason so that, if I chose to, I could protest.  By the way, I never have.

    The other problem is that the so-called 'moderators' are guilty of becoming personally involved with discussions.  As far as I'm concerned, if they want to join the fray, they shouldn't have the powers of a referree.  When they are willing to become part of the discussion, they are no longer able to be seen as impartial and unbiased, which is pretty much a prerequisite for any moderator.  That's the problem with letting the patients (read: fans) run the asylum.

    I used to think that fansites only would be fine for GW2's online presence, but I no longer think that.  It's just way too open for abuse.

  • Dream_ChaserDream_Chaser BGPosts: 1,043Member

    Funny thing: I dropped by Guru today and the first thread I read has four mod edits in it. Four. By two different mods. I know the names, so they're familiar to me. So, what did they edit? I have no idea, they were silent edits, and they didn't even have the balls to come clean with what they were moderating.

    That's a lot of my problem with GW2... right there. See, on a lot of my favourite forums, if someone does something wrong, the moderator will curteously do something like: This section of your post violated [this particular rule], if you would like to discuss this further, please PM me. -- [Mod name.]

    I like that approach.

    I also like it when you can post constructive criticism about a site and its moderation, you can be as polite and nice as possible but they won't come forward and discuss it with you. They could even have a forum section for that to move threads to. They're cowards, they'll just delete it.

    I wouldn't care, but GW2 reps hang out there. This means that GW2 Guru is essentially the 'official' forum.

    With all this nasty, snide, sneaky, cowardly moderation going on, which makes them look a bit like megalomaniacs, it's going to be a PR disaster when GW2 goes live. Especially if news sites start talking about it (which they may, just for the amusement value). All you need is a few before-and-after screenshots to show just what they get up to, there. And you could bet that there are a number of particular game sites out there that would run a story like that.

    I don't know, this just seems like ArenaNet holding up a "Please kick me in the balls!" sign.

    But what can I do? Nothing. I'll just sit back and watch what happens.

  • sidhaethesidhaethe Corona, CAPosts: 861Member

    Originally posted by Dream_Chaser

    Funny thing: I dropped by Guru today and the first thread I read has four mod edits in it. Four. By two different mods. I know the names, so they're familiar to me. So, what did they edit? I have no idea, they were silent edits, and they didn't even have the balls to come clean with what they were moderating.

    That's a lot of my problem with GW2... right there. See, on a lot of my favourite forums, if someone does something wrong, the moderator will curteously do something like: This section of your post violated [this particular rule], if you would like to discuss this further, please PM me. -- [Mod name.]

    I like that approach.

    I also like it when you can post constructive criticism about a site and its moderation, you can be as polite and nice as possible but they won't come forward and discuss it with you. They could even have a forum section for that to move threads to. They're cowards, they'll just delete it.

    I wouldn't care, but GW2 reps hang out there. This means that GW2 Guru is essentially the 'official' forum.

    With all this nasty, snide, sneaky, cowardly moderation going on, which makes them look a bit like megalomaniacs, it's going to be a PR disaster when GW2 goes live. Especially if news sites start talking about it (which they may, just for the amusement value). All you need is a few before-and-after screenshots to show just what they get up to, there. And you could bet that there are a number of particular game sites out there that would run a story like that.

    I don't know, this just seems like ArenaNet holding up a "Please kick me in the balls!" sign.

    But what can I do? Nothing. I'll just sit back and watch what happens.

    Just FYI, I spoke with the ANet folks at PAX Prime, and was told that there would be official GW2 forums closer to launch.

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  • Shroom_MageShroom_Mage Lafayette, LAPosts: 863Member


    Originally posted by sidhaethe
    Just FYI, I spoke with the ANet folks at PAX Prime, and was told that there would be official GW2 forums closer to launch.

    This is extremely good news. My biggest problem with GW2G is that it's the de facto official forum. I really hope to hear more about this in the future. I hope it's not only for beta or tech support or something.

    With a few exceptions that have a very large outcry (potions for example), they almost always lock negative threads.

    For example, someone pointed out that in PvE, you could weaken an enemy but not kill it, then fight more enemies and only finish one once they go down, allowing then to last longer. He also pointed out that if an enemy poisons you and you are close to death, you should not kill then enemy until either the poison expires or you go down. I noticed these things, too, and I consider them to be serious problems.

    Several people (fanboys) said that this would only help "bad" players, and that they (the "good" players) wouldn't ever need to resort to those tactics, disregarding players' ability to use bizarre techniques to gain minor advantages.

    After about five or so posts, the thread was locked by a mod who merely said that this could be discussed after the game was released. A discussion had already started, and although I'm sure ANet has considered most of these things, they is still merit in the thread's existence.

    Countless threads are locked because they're marginally similar to 100-page threads or because "there isn't enough to discuss." I've also seen mods tell the OP to use the search function and provide links to threads that have been dead for over a year. The link even has the search terms highlighted. Certain mods check each thread and search just to see if there has ever been a similar thread created, regardless of whether or not the old discussion is still relevant. Hell, on here, threads get locked when they're necroed. On GW2Guru, your thread gets locked if it isn't necroed.

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  • AKASlaphappyAKASlaphappy Boise, IDPosts: 800Member

    Originally posted by sidhaethe

     

    Just FYI, I spoke with the ANet folks at PAX Prime, and was told that there would be official GW2 forums closer to launch.


    Apparently I am the opposite of everyone else that plays MMOs, because this news just fills me with dread. I really hope that the forums they make are only tech support for GW2; I do not want an official forum! The only thing official forums accomplish is they give the loudest babies that like to cry about everything a single spot to hang out and influence the developers.  I can see it now: oh my god this profession is too powerful see it has a 32 pages the developers need to nerf it, who cares that only ten percent of the game ever come to the forums, we want you to meet our needs so nerf the profession. Oh god I really do not like this part of the game you need to change it to make us vocal few happy now!


     


    I honestly would rather stick a fork in my eye then have someone step on it and ram it into my brain then deal with the vocal minority that hangs out on official forums. I can see GW2 forums becoming another WoW forum in months and then shortly after that the game degenerating into crap to make those few happy while the rest of us just linger in the winds because we do not use those forums. My opinion, I do not mean to insult anyone that actually enjoys being on official forums for games, is that the people that sit on official forums and make 99% of the threads there are the cesspit of humanity and I personally do not want them in one place so they can influence the developers of any game.


     


    So please ANet just make a support forum or moderate the heck out of it if you make an official forum. Or my personal choice would be to make it and then just ignore it and just pay some collage intern to comment on it and never ever in a million years look at anything those people type ever! Honestly I would rather ANet listen to the people on MMORPG, even with the GW2 bashing, to help make their game then an official forum! 


     


     

  • eye_meye_m Notta Chance, ABPosts: 3,133Member Uncommon

    I didn't read the original post, and don't really intend to. I see this sort of thread and all I can think is "I complained over there, and they didn't listen, so now I'm going to complain here about them" All it reminds me of is a tattletale child.

     

    I'm probably bias, and shouldn't have even bothered to post, but I did.

     

    just my two cents

    All of my posts are either intelligent, thought provoking, funny, satirical, sarcastic or intentionally disrespectful. Take your pick.

    I get banned in the forums for games I love, so lets see if I do better in the forums for games I hate.

    I enjoy the serenity of not caring what your opinion is.

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