The ultimate problem is that "weeked warriors" will be able to hang with players who spent far more time due to the option to purchase items.
How pathetic. Never forget that time is just as unbalancing as money. Whether you play 40 hours a week or spend a hundred bucks a week, either action is just as inbalancing to the player who plays 15 hours a week. Until the day that everyone is forced to play for the exact same time, any anti-rmt arguments are meaningless.
Get your facts straight.Ofcourse the guy that plays more will have more items and more game experience than you. So, you are saying that a student that studies 15 hours a week should have the benefit to buy his degree, because the other student that studies 70 hours a week got it too.
It doesn't even matter in the end.If you can only play 15 hours a week then you wont be able to compete with the hardcore gamers anyway.No matter how much you money spend on RMT.Its just a way for the companies to make more money of you. You are free to spend it,noone forces you not to.
I think for most of you to understand the reason for this Real money model, you would have to try and play diablo 2 today. I still do and i tell you the spam from item selling sites is unbelivable.. you cant see the screen for bots spamming.
its hard to talk (as in writing) to people cus of the massive flods of text from up to 7 bots at a time. If this trend were to continue into diablo 3, the game would die in a heartbeat and blizzard knows this. So if they didnt remove the basis of there operation (being real monney trading). what was to stop them.....
Nothing.
So even though i dont belive in buying the items as it fundamentaly removes the reason to play the game. Im truely glad they did make this model.
Funny thing is. Its gonna feel exactly like cheeting. Its fun for 5 min then you uninstall the game. nothing left to do. killed it all with ease and then you move on.
Its the journey thats fun.. the hoping to find the items.. the thrill of actualy getting them. Not freaking buying them. thats just boring.
Well, Paypal is really the biggest company for handling this, so no surprises here.
It's actually interesting to see that they will finally allow players to do Blizzard purchases through Paypal too.
And for those that dislike Paypal, it is only going to be used for cashing out in the real world, you can leave the money in the system if you prefer, and use it within the system.
I think its funny that someone called this 'Virtual Socialism'. Isn't being able to buy and sell any goods a capitalistic notion?
I think that the main problem with this sort of thing is that games used to be a haven for people to escape from everyday problems, such as their $$ problems. Games like D2 made them feel better about that because power in D2 is based off of how much free time you have/time you play, not how much money you have. It creates a happy little community outside of real world economics where everyone can be equal and nobody can buy their way to the top (or at least D2 created the illusion of that, everyone knew that there was a huge item market online). Now that escapist ideal is falling wayside and I can understand why that bothers people.
But having a server where there is no cash marketplace won't help anything. There was never a diablo without a cash marketplace, it was just an illusion (because you ignored the ebaying of items) in order to enjoy your money-free escapism-driven game.
wow instead of adding some depth to this shadow of its former self they are busy getting their p2w house right, what a horrible horrible company Blizzard has become under Activision.
We need a MMORPG Cataclysm asap, finish the dark age of MMORPGS now!
"Everything you're bitching about is wrong. People don't have the time to invest in corpse runs, impossible zones, or long winded quests. Sometimes, they just want to pop on and play." "Then maybe MMORPGs aren't for you."
Eladi, Paypal is one of the most used and recognizable forms of online payment systems. Also, as it's been said already. This will be more of a way to convert your cash over to Paypal or adding currency from a Paypal account to Blizzards system. I can really only name about 3 different online payment systems that are widley used, with Paypal being the top. And I shop pretty much everywhere.
as a weekend warrior I find that completely acceptable. Sorry I dont have the time my 13 year old son does to grind for 70 hours a week but I got the wallet to keep up with him.
well the reason why companies are doing that is to cater to weekend warriors like yourself... so more people can play and consequently give more money. so of course blizzard is going to prefer your wallet to the wallet of your 13 year old who can probably just buy the box, specially since you will probably end up funding a few things here and there for him as well...xmas, birthday etc....
its a brilliant concept economically.
on the other hand maybe weekend warriors should find games that fit best their shedule?. there is no such class in a game like diablo.
it is really sad that gaming has come to this where the way games are made has CHANGED and CATERED for people who have no business in games...
worst part is that we, the true gamers are a dying breed and this cash thing is an abomination and an insult to our community
im sure if i make a game, sell the box 50$, then put a 9.99 subscription, and a special cash shop where anything in the game can be bought, that includes levels, spells armor weapons accessories and looks. so for 250$ you can have a max lvl character pimped out with all skills and build. you can also buy as many character slots as you want. for 5$/slot im sure you weekend warriors would not hesitate a second to take out your credit cards and get 4 maxed out characters... that you play on weekends...
wow instead of adding some depth to this shadow of its former self they are busy getting their p2w house right, what a horrible horrible company Blizzard has become under Activision.
Any tradeable item, weapon, armor, etc. can be bought for cash for any game somewhere. So please explain to me how this is different, oh yeah, with Blizzard and paypal you won't get ripped off like so many do with these gold selling sites.
The poster above is very correct, Diablo II is plagued with bots pushing items, it will be nice to not have that in Diablo III.
I don't know if i'll ever play Blizzard games again after they pulled a stunt where they won't remove the trial limitation after i've purchased World of Warcraft.
I wouldn't put my paypal details in at the start, there is bound to be problems for sure and paypal arnt exactly reliable or even fair when you try to get money back. This is just so that kids with no cc can fire money into blizzards pocket, if they didnt do this it would close off this full market to them.
The ultimate problem is that "weeked warriors" will be able to hang with players who spent far more time due to the option to purchase items.
How pathetic. Never forget that time is just as unbalancing as money. Whether you play 40 hours a week or spend a hundred bucks a week, either action is just as inbalancing to the player who plays 15 hours a week. Until the day that everyone is forced to play for the exact same time, any anti-rmt arguments are meaningless.
Whatever you say, Karl Marx.
What's pathetic here is the fact that some people (you) accept these cash shops / cash auctions.
Example: I'm playing Diablo 3. I have the best Executioner's Sword. I find another. People offer me a ton of items for trade. I'm not interested. I only want $50.00.
Not only does this system favor the weekend warrior, but it hinders the in-game economy.
as a weekend warrior I find that completely acceptable. Sorry I dont have the time my 13 year old son does to grind for 70 hours a week but I got the wallet to keep up with him.
That's your problem. If you don't have the time to play these "time consuming" games, then it's time to start looking at different gaming genres, e.g., Call of Duty, Console Systems.
It's people like you who ultimately dumb down our games into mindless voids of speedy ease.
PayPal is the devil. I do a ton of eBaying and know a lot about it. PayPal is a worthless outsourcing pile of ####.
Have fun dealing with asians named "Bob" and "John", yet can barely pronounce it.
Not this time, Kotick
It's an option so if you don't want to use it, then don't.
I'm just wondering if you list an item for a fee, and it doesn't sell if you're just out the money then. Seems like an easy way for blizzard to make massive cash off Diablo 3 players without much benifit to the game. That's what I'm concerned about, more than them adding options for its playerbase, lol.
How is it an option when the best items aren't for trade... they are for sale.
If I find a wicked item, I'm not going to trade it. I'm going to sell it.
PayPal is the devil. I do a ton of eBaying and know a lot about it. PayPal is a worthless outsourcing pile of ####.
Have fun dealing with asians named "Bob" and "John", yet can barely pronounce it.
Not this time, Kotick
It's an option so if you don't want to use it, then don't.
I'm just wondering if you list an item for a fee, and it doesn't sell if you're just out the money then. Seems like an easy way for blizzard to make massive cash off Diablo 3 players without much benifit to the game. That's what I'm concerned about, more than them adding options for its playerbase, lol.
How is it an option when the best items aren't for trade... they are for sale.
If I find a wicked item, I'm not going to trade it. I'm going to sell it.
That is your perogative, does not mean others will do the same. Get in a guild where everyone shares and you don't have to worry about that. Why anyone would buy an etheral item is beyond me. All the fun is in finding them.
Originally posted by precious328 Originally posted by Lynxeyed as a weekend warrior I find that completely acceptable. Sorry I dont have the time my 13 year old son does to grind for 70 hours a week but I got the wallet to keep up with him.
That's your problem. If you don't have the time to play these "time consuming" games, then it's time to start looking at different gaming genres, e.g., Call of Duty, Console Systems. It's people like you who ultimately dumb down our games into mindless voids of speedy ease.
It seems much more like you're the one that has a problem with it. If you don't want to play games that appeal to people you don't think should be playing them, maybe you should be playing games in some other genre. Single player RPG or FPS maybe.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
as a weekend warrior I find that completely acceptable. Sorry I dont have the time my 13 year old son does to grind for 70 hours a week but I got the wallet to keep up with him.
That's your problem. If you don't have the time to play these "time consuming" games, then it's time to start looking at different gaming genres, e.g., Call of Duty, Console Systems. It's people like you who ultimately dumb down our games into mindless voids of speedy ease.
It seems much more like you're the one that has a problem with it. If you don't want to play games that appeal to people you don't think should be playing them, maybe you should be playing games in some other genre. Single player RPG or FPS maybe.
That makes absolutely no sense.
Perhaps it's because I've played pre-WoW MMOs. I yearn for massive multiplayer depth and complexity. MMOs used to offer this. However, all we get post-WoW is this K12 trash.
Originally posted by precious328 Originally posted by lizardbones Originally posted by precious328 Originally posted by Lynxeyed as a weekend warrior I find that completely acceptable. Sorry I dont have the time my 13 year old son does to grind for 70 hours a week but I got the wallet to keep up with him.
That's your problem. If you don't have the time to play these "time consuming" games, then it's time to start looking at different gaming genres, e.g., Call of Duty, Console Systems. It's people like you who ultimately dumb down our games into mindless voids of speedy ease.
It seems much more like you're the one that has a problem with it. If you don't want to play games that appeal to people you don't think should be playing them, maybe you should be playing games in some other genre. Single player RPG or FPS maybe.
That makes absolutely no sense.Perhaps it's because I've played pre-WoW MMOs. I yearn for massive multiplayer depth and complexity. MMOs used to offer this. However, all we get post-WoW is this K12 trash.
It makes perfect sense. If you don't like where a particular genre of games is going, play a different genre. If the mechanics being written into Diablo III aren't to your liking, don't play it. If an entire genre isn't being written to your liking, don't play anything from that genre.
You suggested that someone should play a different genre...when the genre is being written with that someone in mind. Why should they play something else? It's being written for them.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
LOL this is so cute how each tells the other to go play some other game. It is not like either one of you can control the choices of the other. So I guess the games fall and stand as the popularity indicates. I enjoy seeing how each seems to think their way is the right way to play a game when it is a game afterall the objective is to simply play and enjoy yourself. Neither one of you has the right to bar the other from their interest nor even effectively change the way the market moves. If sufficient numbers do not purchase a game then its gameplay may give way to other types .
I think for most of you to understand the reason for this Real money model, you would have to try and play diablo 2 today. I still do and i tell you the spam from item selling sites is unbelivable.. you cant see the screen for bots spamming.
its hard to talk (as in writing) to people cus of the massive flods of text from up to 7 bots at a time. If this trend were to continue into diablo 3, the game would die in a heartbeat and blizzard knows this. So if they didnt remove the basis of there operation (being real monney trading). what was to stop them.....
Nothing.
So even though i dont belive in buying the items as it fundamentaly removes the reason to play the game. Im truely glad they did make this model.
Funny thing is. Its gonna feel exactly like cheeting. Its fun for 5 min then you uninstall the game. nothing left to do. killed it all with ease and then you move on.
Its the journey thats fun.. the hoping to find the items.. the thrill of actualy getting them. Not freaking buying them. thats just boring.
My 2 cents.
(edit. Spel lik krap)
Have you every actually played "end-game" d2? Have you ever actually found all the items you want/need? It's next to impossible unless you are lucky beyond belief. A Diablo game is not wow. You don't finish a raid and complete your set. You hunt for items, and will likely never find many that you want. When you buy an item in a Diablo game, you aren't even close to finished, and the best part about the rmah is that even if you were to spend enough money (and it would be tons of cash) to "complete" your character, you'd still have a reason to play. To find more items and sell them.
The ultimate problem is that "weeked warriors" will be able to hang with players who spent far more time due to the option to purchase items.
How pathetic. Never forget that time is just as unbalancing as money. Whether you play 40 hours a week or spend a hundred bucks a week, either action is just as inbalancing to the player who plays 15 hours a week. Until the day that everyone is forced to play for the exact same time, any anti-rmt arguments are meaningless.
Whatever you say, Karl Marx.
What's pathetic here is the fact that some people (you) accept these cash shops / cash auctions.
Example: I'm playing Diablo 3. I have the best Executioner's Sword. I find another. People offer me a ton of items for trade. I'm not interested. I only want $50.00.
Not only does this system favor the weekend warrior, but it hinders the in-game economy.
You're not thinking this through. If you want to sell an item, you want the biggest audience. Where will the biggest audience be? Think about it.........the GOLD auction house, NOT the rmah. So you will likely make more money by selling your sword on the gold auction house and then selling the currency on the rmah.
There goes your whole little hindering the in-game economy theory....
The ultimate problem is that "weeked warriors" will be able to hang with players who spent far more time due to the option to purchase items.
How pathetic. Never forget that time is just as unbalancing as money. Whether you play 40 hours a week or spend a hundred bucks a week, either action is just as inbalancing to the player who plays 15 hours a week. Until the day that everyone is forced to play for the exact same time, any anti-rmt arguments are meaningless.
Get your facts straight.Ofcourse the guy that plays more will have more items and more game experience than you. So, you are saying that a student that studies 15 hours a week should have the benefit to buy his degree, because the other student that studies 70 hours a week got it too.
It doesn't even matter in the end.If you can only play 15 hours a week then you wont be able to compete with the hardcore gamers anyway.No matter how much you money spend on RMT.Its just a way for the companies to make more money of you. You are free to spend it,noone forces you not to.
I hate to break it to you, but progressing in Diablo is not the same as getting a college degree. Next time pick a better analogy, one actually applicable to the context.
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Get your facts straight.Ofcourse the guy that plays more will have more items and more game experience than you. So, you are saying that a student that studies 15 hours a week should have the benefit to buy his degree, because the other student that studies 70 hours a week got it too.
It doesn't even matter in the end.If you can only play 15 hours a week then you wont be able to compete with the hardcore gamers anyway.No matter how much you money spend on RMT.Its just a way for the companies to make more money of you. You are free to spend it,noone forces you not to.
I think for most of you to understand the reason for this Real money model, you would have to try and play diablo 2 today. I still do and i tell you the spam from item selling sites is unbelivable.. you cant see the screen for bots spamming.
its hard to talk (as in writing) to people cus of the massive flods of text from up to 7 bots at a time. If this trend were to continue into diablo 3, the game would die in a heartbeat and blizzard knows this. So if they didnt remove the basis of there operation (being real monney trading). what was to stop them.....
Nothing.
So even though i dont belive in buying the items as it fundamentaly removes the reason to play the game. Im truely glad they did make this model.
Funny thing is. Its gonna feel exactly like cheeting. Its fun for 5 min then you uninstall the game. nothing left to do. killed it all with ease and then you move on.
Its the journey thats fun.. the hoping to find the items.. the thrill of actualy getting them. Not freaking buying them. thats just boring.
My 2 cents.
(edit. Spel lik krap)
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Excellent, looking forward to it.
Thanks for the update.
Well, Paypal is really the biggest company for handling this, so no surprises here.
It's actually interesting to see that they will finally allow players to do Blizzard purchases through Paypal too.
And for those that dislike Paypal, it is only going to be used for cashing out in the real world, you can leave the money in the system if you prefer, and use it within the system.
I think its funny that someone called this 'Virtual Socialism'. Isn't being able to buy and sell any goods a capitalistic notion?
I think that the main problem with this sort of thing is that games used to be a haven for people to escape from everyday problems, such as their $$ problems. Games like D2 made them feel better about that because power in D2 is based off of how much free time you have/time you play, not how much money you have. It creates a happy little community outside of real world economics where everyone can be equal and nobody can buy their way to the top (or at least D2 created the illusion of that, everyone knew that there was a huge item market online). Now that escapist ideal is falling wayside and I can understand why that bothers people.
But having a server where there is no cash marketplace won't help anything. There was never a diablo without a cash marketplace, it was just an illusion (because you ignored the ebaying of items) in order to enjoy your money-free escapism-driven game.
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wow instead of adding some depth to this shadow of its former self they are busy getting their p2w house right, what a horrible horrible company Blizzard has become under Activision.
We need a MMORPG Cataclysm asap, finish the dark age of MMORPGS now!
"Everything you're bitching about is wrong. People don't have the time to invest in corpse runs, impossible zones, or long winded quests. Sometimes, they just want to pop on and play."
"Then maybe MMORPGs aren't for you."
What about Moneybookers and neteller??
I use it for my poker account works fine .
O ya must be 18+
I won't be paying money for this garbage. Diablo is about the option to LAN and NOT cash shops! I will give Torchlight II my money instead.
well the reason why companies are doing that is to cater to weekend warriors like yourself... so more people can play and consequently give more money. so of course blizzard is going to prefer your wallet to the wallet of your 13 year old who can probably just buy the box, specially since you will probably end up funding a few things here and there for him as well...xmas, birthday etc....
its a brilliant concept economically.
on the other hand maybe weekend warriors should find games that fit best their shedule?. there is no such class in a game like diablo.
it is really sad that gaming has come to this where the way games are made has CHANGED and CATERED for people who have no business in games...
worst part is that we, the true gamers are a dying breed and this cash thing is an abomination and an insult to our community
im sure if i make a game, sell the box 50$, then put a 9.99 subscription, and a special cash shop where anything in the game can be bought, that includes levels, spells armor weapons accessories and looks. so for 250$ you can have a max lvl character pimped out with all skills and build. you can also buy as many character slots as you want. for 5$/slot im sure you weekend warriors would not hesitate a second to take out your credit cards and get 4 maxed out characters... that you play on weekends...
Any tradeable item, weapon, armor, etc. can be bought for cash for any game somewhere. So please explain to me how this is different, oh yeah, with Blizzard and paypal you won't get ripped off like so many do with these gold selling sites.
The poster above is very correct, Diablo II is plagued with bots pushing items, it will be nice to not have that in Diablo III.
I don't know if i'll ever play Blizzard games again after they pulled a stunt where they won't remove the trial limitation after i've purchased World of Warcraft.
I wouldn't put my paypal details in at the start, there is bound to be problems for sure and paypal arnt exactly reliable or even fair when you try to get money back. This is just so that kids with no cc can fire money into blizzards pocket, if they didnt do this it would close off this full market to them.
Whatever you say, Karl Marx.
What's pathetic here is the fact that some people (you) accept these cash shops / cash auctions.
Example: I'm playing Diablo 3. I have the best Executioner's Sword. I find another. People offer me a ton of items for trade. I'm not interested. I only want $50.00.
Not only does this system favor the weekend warrior, but it hinders the in-game economy.
That's your problem. If you don't have the time to play these "time consuming" games, then it's time to start looking at different gaming genres, e.g., Call of Duty, Console Systems.
It's people like you who ultimately dumb down our games into mindless voids of speedy ease.
How is it an option when the best items aren't for trade... they are for sale.
If I find a wicked item, I'm not going to trade it. I'm going to sell it.
That is your perogative, does not mean others will do the same. Get in a guild where everyone shares and you don't have to worry about that. Why anyone would buy an etheral item is beyond me. All the fun is in finding them.
That's your problem. If you don't have the time to play these "time consuming" games, then it's time to start looking at different gaming genres, e.g., Call of Duty, Console Systems. It's people like you who ultimately dumb down our games into mindless voids of speedy ease.
It seems much more like you're the one that has a problem with it. If you don't want to play games that appeal to people you don't think should be playing them, maybe you should be playing games in some other genre. Single player RPG or FPS maybe.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
That makes absolutely no sense.
Perhaps it's because I've played pre-WoW MMOs. I yearn for massive multiplayer depth and complexity. MMOs used to offer this. However, all we get post-WoW is this K12 trash.
That's your problem. If you don't have the time to play these "time consuming" games, then it's time to start looking at different gaming genres, e.g., Call of Duty, Console Systems. It's people like you who ultimately dumb down our games into mindless voids of speedy ease.
It seems much more like you're the one that has a problem with it. If you don't want to play games that appeal to people you don't think should be playing them, maybe you should be playing games in some other genre. Single player RPG or FPS maybe.
That makes absolutely no sense.Perhaps it's because I've played pre-WoW MMOs. I yearn for massive multiplayer depth and complexity. MMOs used to offer this. However, all we get post-WoW is this K12 trash.
It makes perfect sense. If you don't like where a particular genre of games is going, play a different genre. If the mechanics being written into Diablo III aren't to your liking, don't play it. If an entire genre isn't being written to your liking, don't play anything from that genre.
You suggested that someone should play a different genre...when the genre is being written with that someone in mind. Why should they play something else? It's being written for them.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
LOL this is so cute how each tells the other to go play some other game. It is not like either one of you can control the choices of the other. So I guess the games fall and stand as the popularity indicates. I enjoy seeing how each seems to think their way is the right way to play a game when it is a game afterall the objective is to simply play and enjoy yourself. Neither one of you has the right to bar the other from their interest nor even effectively change the way the market moves. If sufficient numbers do not purchase a game then its gameplay may give way to other types .
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Have you every actually played "end-game" d2? Have you ever actually found all the items you want/need? It's next to impossible unless you are lucky beyond belief. A Diablo game is not wow. You don't finish a raid and complete your set. You hunt for items, and will likely never find many that you want. When you buy an item in a Diablo game, you aren't even close to finished, and the best part about the rmah is that even if you were to spend enough money (and it would be tons of cash) to "complete" your character, you'd still have a reason to play. To find more items and sell them.
You're not thinking this through. If you want to sell an item, you want the biggest audience. Where will the biggest audience be? Think about it.........the GOLD auction house, NOT the rmah. So you will likely make more money by selling your sword on the gold auction house and then selling the currency on the rmah.
There goes your whole little hindering the in-game economy theory....
I hate to break it to you, but progressing in Diablo is not the same as getting a college degree. Next time pick a better analogy, one actually applicable to the context.