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So anyone can be a Jedi?

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  • KabaalKabaal Edinburgh, ScotlandPosts: 3,012Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by DerWotan

    When they've first announced that I was like "LA take back your license damnit" but after watching 2 minutes of clone wars and reminding myself of Schaschabings I've come to the conclussion that LA doesn't care about SW any longer and it shows.

    Becoming a Jedi or Sith is a long, hard way only few people were able of doing that.

    If you will the Elite or the Elite

    Its a video game and i hate to break it to you but most people dont want to have to grind for 6 months just to play the class they wanted to play in the first place. Video games are about fun, aren't they?

     

  • DerWotanDerWotan NorrathPosts: 1,012Member

    Originally posted by Kabaal

    Originally posted by DerWotan

    When they've first announced that I was like "LA take back your license damnit" but after watching 2 minutes of clone wars and reminding myself of Schaschabings I've come to the conclussion that LA doesn't care about SW any longer and it shows.

    Becoming a Jedi or Sith is a long, hard way only few people were able of doing that.

    If you will the Elite or the Elite

    Its a video game and i hate to break it to you but most people dont want to have to grind for 6 months just to play the class they wanted to play in the first place. Video games are about fun, aren't they?

     

     

    Well then they shouldn't be able to become a Sith or Jedi simple as that. After all its about staying true to the lore?

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  • raistlinmraistlinm new orleans, LAPosts: 673Member

    Originally posted by Kabaal

    Originally posted by DerWotan

    When they've first announced that I was like "LA take back your license damnit" but after watching 2 minutes of clone wars and reminding myself of Schaschabings I've come to the conclussion that LA doesn't care about SW any longer and it shows.

    Becoming a Jedi or Sith is a long, hard way only few people were able of doing that.

    If you will the Elite or the Elite

    Its a video game and i hate to break it to you but most people dont want to have to grind for 6 months just to play the class they wanted to play in the first place. Video games are about fun, aren't they?

     

    Better yet most people don't want to grind for six months or so only to discover they were lied to about being able to unlock the class they wanted to play in the first place.

    And as far as this topic goes the op clearley knows nothing about the actual lore of star wars but has seemed to have watched the movies and decided that anything that falls outside of those parameters is wrong.

    But even if somehow this point made snese my question would then become why not trust that if it is happening LA is allowing it therefore that version of the lore in this regard becomes much more important than whatever complaint one may have about what's been going on so far.

    Am I the only person on these forums who ever read comics and realized that lore changes all the time in just about every ip be it from author to author,comic book to movie, movie to cartoon???

    Why does this bother people so much changing the lore doesn't cause a rift in the time space continuum so get over it guys.

  • PyrateLVPyrateLV Las Vegas, NVPosts: 1,096Member Common

    Originally posted by BigGerty

    I call this the Vader effect.  People think that because Vader was so badass, all Jedi and Sith must be badass....but this isn't the case.

    Anakin / Vader was not a badass. He was a pussy.

    Lets look at those Anakin / Vader actually killed:

    A Tribe of Tuskens (women and children too)

    ALL the Jedi Younglings

    Some Trade Federation nubs

    Padme

    Force Choked an Admiral

    Obi-Wan Kenobi (but ONLY once OWK was an old man and let him. Young OWK WTFPWND Anakin/Vader in the 1st round)

    Palpatine/Sidious

     

    Ooo yeah, Some Badass he was.

     

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  • Cochran1Cochran1 Eden, NCPosts: 456Member

    Why is it so hard to understand that in a galaxy with numerous systems, populated by billions of sentient beings, that there would be hundreds upon thousands of force sensitive beings. Just because the movies focused on a small fraction of those beings doesn't mean there aren't many others out there. It's a much bigger universe than what the movies focused on.

    As for the jedi being elite warriors, I seem to recall many of them falling in episode III to Republic troops that had no force ability at all.

  • TamanousTamanous Edmonton, ABPosts: 2,126Member Uncommon

    Remember that it is complete BS that jedi's are uber special simply because they take a lifetime to train. Any specialist has to dedicate their lives to their art. This could be Bounty Hunting, smuggler, Teräs Käsi, etc. To be the best you would have to dedicate your life to it. Obviously there will be areas of strengths and weaknesses between professions of all sorts in both combat and out of combat areas. We can only hope that story arc and in game mechanics help differentiate non-comat differences well. There are reasons you hire a smuggler over a jedi at times. The game may someday reflect this if not at least through story arc and rp evolution.

    But this is about combat for the most part and too many players forget the draw backs to playing a tradition force user. If roleplayed correctly they are bound heavily to doctrine and tradition. Dispite what emo jedi wannabees may screem about, a lightsabre isn't the end all be all weapon of the universe. It is prefered by jedi and sith out of tradition and training. It is melee and will always be a limitation to the user. Deflection and energy absorption is largely bypassed by mere slugthrowers and smart and skilled warriors have been known to specialize in killing jedi without the aid of the force at all.

    I agree that this game will likely not touch upon some of the greatest feats a force master can do (perhaps a little through story) but as amazing as those are there are others who still have accomplished feats as great or greater than their force rivals. All what Vader and the Emperor did through the use of force  combined with tactics (expanded universe story speaks of them using massively wide area force abilities to assist with troop and fleet tactics and moral) was matched and often exceeded (greater results with smaller resources) by Thrawn through sheer tactics alone.

    The answer to all this is changing your view point. You want to defend what you 'think' a jedi is but need to consider an alternative point of view. If want to be powerful then level your guy up, get the best gear to reflect your accomplishements and skill up to be the best you can be within a group. I am sure you won't feel wanting unless blatant balance issues occur at times through mechanics. Also it is an mmo so there may simply be times you are challenged greatly when facing certain classes.

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  • eye_meye_m Notta Chance, ABPosts: 3,133Member Uncommon

    No. Not everyone can be a jedi.

     

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GJOVPjhXMY&feature=related

     

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  • ktanner3ktanner3 lakeland, FLPosts: 4,074Member Common

    Originally posted by DerWotan

    Originally posted by Kabaal

    Originally posted by DerWotan

    When they've first announced that I was like "LA take back your license damnit" but after watching 2 minutes of clone wars and reminding myself of Schaschabings I've come to the conclussion that LA doesn't care about SW any longer and it shows.

    Becoming a Jedi or Sith is a long, hard way only few people were able of doing that.

    If you will the Elite or the Elite

    We're ALL playing elite characters and jedi were not the only elite fighters in the galaxy.

    Its a video game and i hate to break it to you but most people dont want to have to grind for 6 months just to play the class they wanted to play in the first place. Video games are about fun, aren't they?

     

     

    Well then they shouldn't be able to become a Sith or Jedi simple as that. After all its about staying true to the lore?

     Another reminder of why people like you should never be allowed to dictate how games are made.You don't even know the complete lore of the universe in which you speak and you want games to resemble real life to the point that the game is monotonous and boring. But let's take your faulty logic to its logical conclusion:

    Bounty Hunters take years to get to know people in order to track their bounties. It also takes months to learn how to fire their weapons and become marksman. Add in the amount of time it takes them to learn how to pilot a ship and it should take at the very least 6 months of gameplay in order to be any good at being a bounty hunter. Since bounty hunters have killed jedi in the lore, we should add even more time to get good with the gadgets that are nessecary in order to survive an ennconter with them.

    This isn't SWG. Bioware as well as every other gaming company with any ounce of common sense will not repeat the mistake of introducing alpha classes in an MMORPG. It's NOT true to the lore and it wrecks PVP. No thank you. I'll take Bioware's true lore approach over SOE's lore/game breaking one.

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  • raistlinmraistlinm new orleans, LAPosts: 673Member

    Originally posted by DerWotan

    Originally posted by Kabaal

    Originally posted by DerWotan

    When they've first announced that I was like "LA take back your license damnit" but after watching 2 minutes of clone wars and reminding myself of Schaschabings I've come to the conclussion that LA doesn't care about SW any longer and it shows.

    Becoming a Jedi or Sith is a long, hard way only few people were able of doing that.

    If you will the Elite or the Elite

    Its a video game and i hate to break it to you but most people dont want to have to grind for 6 months just to play the class they wanted to play in the first place. Video games are about fun, aren't they?

     

     

    Well then they shouldn't be able to become a Sith or Jedi simple as that. After all its about staying true to the lore?

    The lore belongs to LA and they have given BW the rights to make the game using the lore that it uses who's opinion is worth more in this yours or BW's besides the point that there are numerous jedi in the era in which the game is made.

    And if you are that familiar with the lore you will know that the classes this game represents have in fact killed jedi both before the time of the films and after as well so why then should they just hand out all those other classes but make it more difficult to become jedi or sith because some misguided people can't get over the WOW factor they themselves feel Jedi represent?

  • VarthanderVarthander BarcelonaPosts: 471Member

    I think the OP want to live day by day like a star wars person, thar prooves his dissapointment on this mmo.

    PD: enjoy real life

    PD2: you can always make star wars partie's and invite people...

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  • KuinnKuinn MestaPosts: 2,093Member

    Originally posted by Yamota

    How does that make any kind of sense seeing as in the movies Jedis were these gifted and elite warriors who were trained from a small child?

    And they are supposedly no more powerful than other non Jedi classes?

    I am sorry but, if this is really the case, it is absurd. I dont understand how a SW fan would be able to become immersed in such a virtual world with any John Schmoe running around like a Jedi Knight.

     

    Try watching the whole 6 movies and you realize there's battles where a lot of jedis take on a lot of non jedis and gets butchered. Not to mention this game is set thousands years before the movies. Also this is not a movie, this is a game, a massive multiplayer game, you cant make a massive multiplayer game without thousands of John Schmoe's takin part in it. /thread?

     

    Ps. I like SW games, I dont want the games not to be released just because there's a lot of John Schmoe's running around, the more SW movies/games the better. Go play/watch something else if it feels wrong and ignore this game, problem solved (cant argue with that, no one is forcing).

  • DistopiaDistopia Baltimore, MDPosts: 16,912Member Uncommon

    What I find funny about this question is, examples of this in other games. I mean lets take a Jedi and compare them as they are in their time of existence against other "super badasses".

    First COH/V, DCU, CO. Anyone can be a super hero?

    STO, anyone can be a Captain of a ship (Kirk, Picard)?

    AOC anyone can be the chosen one?

    WOW, anyone can be a Paladin?

    EQ, anyone can be a wizard? Just about all fantasy MMO's, Anyone can be a powerful mage?

    All MMO's, anyone can have advanced medical skills?

    I could go on for hours here. The fact of the matter is Jedi are "teh popularzzz". Of course they're going to open that avenue to players. Most make the mistake of thinking every Jedi to exist was a Ben, Luke, Anakin/Vader, Yoda,Exar or a Windu. That just isn't the case, Jedi die all the time, and face different demises.

    IN the case of a game anything can be explained away especially class options. The obvious thing here is, every class is representative of a badass, not some grunt or average Joe.

     

     

     

     

     

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  • KabaalKabaal Edinburgh, ScotlandPosts: 3,012Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by DerWotan

    Originally posted by Kabaal


    Originally posted by DerWotan

    When they've first announced that I was like "LA take back your license damnit" but after watching 2 minutes of clone wars and reminding myself of Schaschabings I've come to the conclussion that LA doesn't care about SW any longer and it shows.

    Becoming a Jedi or Sith is a long, hard way only few people were able of doing that.

    If you will the Elite or the Elite

    Its a video game and i hate to break it to you but most people dont want to have to grind for 6 months just to play the class they wanted to play in the first place. Video games are about fun, aren't they?

     

     

    Well then they shouldn't be able to become a Sith or Jedi simple as that. After all its about staying true to the lore?

    Explain to me why people who want to play a Star Wars game should not be allowed to start with a Jedi/Sith class. Really, i'd love to hear the thinking of someone like yourself as to why they shouldn't be allowed. Bear in mind that you will have to apply the same arguements you bring to every other class in the game seeing as in a real life scenario all of them would have to train for years to become what they are.

    Video games are not real life, if they were you'd have to spend 20 to 30 years in them before getting to play the class you want to. Been there done that and have no interest in seeing it emulated in a video game with Fantasy or Science Fiction settings.

  • synnsynn killeen, TXPosts: 546Member

    does the op understand that MMOs are supposed to appeal to the masses? yeah so some hard-core SW fans might get their feelings hurt. whats important is they put out a goodgame thats enjoyable to the majority since every game will have their anit-fans and haters.

  • kellian1kellian1 Phillipsburg, NJPosts: 233Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by Yamota

    How does that make any kind of sense seeing as in the movies Jedis were these gifted and elite warriors who were trained from a small child?

    And they are supposedly no more powerful than other non Jedi classes?

    I am sorry but, if this is really the case, it is absurd. I dont understand how a SW fan would be able to become immersed in such a virtual world with any John Schmoe running around like a Jedi Knight.

    Why ask a question in the subject line if you are going to provide your own answer?

    Yes - anyone, everyone AND their dog (if they can play an MMO) can become a jedi/sith

    In an IP where jar-jar binks exists, han shot first and vader screams "noooooooo" like a little girl not once but twice, all BTW changed by the creator of said world...and YOU are concerned with lore?

    Really?

    its a VIDEO GAME where i would imagine ALOT of star wars fans grew up wanting to be a jedi or be darth vader, and the object of any release is to cater to said fans and gain subscribers....your confsued by this?

     

  • KostKost Vancouver, BCPosts: 1,975Member

    Jedi were not rare in the time period the game takes place in. It's as simple as that.

     

  • kartoolkartool Hamilton, ONPosts: 472Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by sigurd57

    Time lines is what's important I guess.   In the movies the Jedi were a lot fewer as they were what was left of the 'elite warriors' ..

    The Old Republic takes place somewhere 3500 years before the movies, when Jedi were in abundance.    Do I think it is stupid that the entire game will be Jedi & Sith?  Sure.  Expecically since 4 of the 8 classes are force based.   And of course those classes are designed to be the most appealing..

    It'll be Bioware's challenge to make classes that are non-force based more appealing to the masses..  So far, that doesn't seem to be going too well...

    Most people I know who will be playing the game won't be rolling a force user first time through. The non-force classes are appealing for many reasons. It's a personal preference, if you find the force classes more appealing so be it.

    OP, the game takes place thousands of years before the movies. This information has been readily available since the game was announced. Why would you start this thread?

  • KostKost Vancouver, BCPosts: 1,975Member

    Originally posted by DerWotan

    When they've first announced that I was like "LA take back your license damnit" but after watching 2 minutes of clone wars and reminding myself of Schaschabings I've come to the conclussion that LA doesn't care about SW any longer and it shows.

    They created the entire setting, they have every right to add things to it. Just because your personal vision of Star Wars is based on the feature films means absolutely nothing, and is a false expectation that will only lead you to disappointment. The films themselves are but a tiny piece of the entire picture.

    LA can add anything they want to the IP, and it is still just as much Star Wars as it ever was.

    Becoming a Jedi or Sith is a long, hard way only few people were able of doing that.

    If by a few, you actually mean thousands, then I agree. If not, you need to brush up on your lore.

    If you will the Elite or the Elite

    Random gibberish?

     

     

  • sirphobossirphobos Ames, IAPosts: 614Member Common

    Even in the movies, where the Jedi are far fewer than they were in the era that SWTOR takes place in, the Jedi were far from invincible.

    In Episode II, Obi Wan, who was one of the most powerful Jedi of his time, was beaten in a duel by Jango Fett, and almost killed.

    The three Jedi that weren't Mace Windu that went to arrest Palpatine in Episode III sure looked pretty useless in battle also.

    Palpatine, Dooku, Anakin, Yoda, Mace Windu, Obi Wan, and Luke were all exceptional force users.  Their skills are certainly not the norm.

  • hanshotfirsthanshotfirst Beverly Hills, CAPosts: 710Member

    Originally posted by Yamota

    How does that make any kind of sense seeing as in the movies Jedis...

    I would have thought someone genuinely concerned with lore and the IP would know the plural of Jedi is Jedi (not Jedis, Jedis' or Jedies).

     

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  • DJJazzyDJJazzy louisville, COPosts: 2,053Member

    Yes, even you can become a Jedi someday.

    You have to look at the time period in which this game is set Yamota. It's not during Luke Skywalkers time but way before it when Jedi and Sith ruled the universe.

  • DerWotanDerWotan NorrathPosts: 1,012Member

    Originally posted by Kabaal

    Originally posted by DerWotan


    Originally posted by Kabaal


    Originally posted by DerWotan

    When they've first announced that I was like "LA take back your license damnit" but after watching 2 minutes of clone wars and reminding myself of Schaschabings I've come to the conclussion that LA doesn't care about SW any longer and it shows.

    Becoming a Jedi or Sith is a long, hard way only few people were able of doing that.

    If you will the Elite or the Elite

    Its a video game and i hate to break it to you but most people dont want to have to grind for 6 months just to play the class they wanted to play in the first place. Video games are about fun, aren't they?

     

     

    Well then they shouldn't be able to become a Sith or Jedi simple as that. After all its about staying true to the lore?

    Explain to me why people who want to play a Star Wars game should not be allowed to start with a Jedi/Sith class. Really, i'd love to hear the thinking of someone like yourself as to why they shouldn't be allowed. Bear in mind that you will have to apply the same arguements you bring to every other class in the game seeing as in a real life scenario all of them would have to train for years to become what they are.

    Video games are not real life, if they were you'd have to spend 20 to 30 years in them before getting to play the class you want to. Been there done that and have no interest in seeing it emulated in a video game with Fantasy or Science Fiction settings.

     

    Exactly the reason why I think SW is not what it used to be. True to the lore (check wiki) Jedi Masters or Sith Darths are more powerful than your usual bountyhounter, period.  So if people want to play such cool powerful classes they should have to earn the right of playing them (= epic accesline if you will), ,simple as that.

    I'm aware they are not reallife but MMORPGS aren't like your usual game, they once were about doing greater things. Just look at Hutball can you imagine Jedi and Sith agree on playing Hutball against each other, instead of just killing the opponent?

    If a game has a huge IP I expect it staying true to it. You can disagree as much as you want, but you will soon see why allowing everyone and their cat becoming force users from the start will be a mistake.

    We need a MMORPG Cataclysm asap, finish the dark age of MMORPGS now!

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  • IsawaIsawa Middle 0 Nowhere, ORPosts: 1,051Member

    Originally posted by hanshotfirst

    Originally posted by Yamota

    How does that make any kind of sense seeing as in the movies Jedis...

    I would have thought someone genuinely concerned with lore and the IP would know the plural of Jedi is Jedi (not Jedis, Jedis' or Jedies).

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    Definitely an Ackbar trap thread, don't your stars go up if you get a good amount of comments or something along that line? The argument offered is so weak that a child who only watched the pre-quels could rebuttal it.

  • grunt187grunt187 omaha, NEPosts: 956Member

    You mean this isnt Star Wars Online? Where there was only one badass jedi and one badass sith?

    Ok gotcha this is Star Wars : The Old Republic. Where there were lots of badass jedi and sith.

    Guess they should probably put that in the title of the game...oh wait....image

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  • MetentsoMetentso BarcelonaPosts: 1,436Member Common

    We have also to keep in mind that not all jedis were like Obi Wan or Luke, there were also mediocre jedis that we don't know of and died soon.

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