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  • raff01raff01 PARISPosts: 453Member

    Originally posted by Betel

    Deathshroud -

     

    You keep complaining that the mods here are somehow in the pocket of those that dislike SV and that you get a disproportionate number of warnings and a single ban.You've made this allegation several times here and also on the MO forums.

     

    You said you have 4 warning and 1 ban in 6 months or so, well check this out  -

     

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    The post contained in the lower half is one of the ones I got a ban for. Hardly controversial and didn't attack posters personally, but I still got a ban. It's their forum and their rules so I am not complaining about it, but don't pretend you are being singled out for some kind of punishment because you support SV as it is simply not true.

     

    It is also especially ironic given the logs from the MO IRC. You know which logs I mean ;)

     

    The reason Deathshroud never got anything on MO forums is because he is a big time supporter and probably never posted any harsh criticism of the game.

    People getting warnings and bans on MO forums are the ones criticising or exposing MO/SV, or simply complaining, regardless of how polite they are.

  • osmundaosmunda slidell, LAPosts: 1,087Member

    Just to get back to the original topic:

    Balstfromdapast is a single poster on the Mortal Online forums.  If you look over his posting history, he is clearly not a fan of Mortal Online and Starvault. http://www.mortalonline.com/forums/search.php?searchid=2249486 He made a thread discouraging people from posting positive things about MO, basically arguing "If you defend Starvault, people will say nasty things about it"

    That is a specious argument. It's not as if critics of MO are mutely standing by, waiting for a positive post to criticize. The critics certainly have the ability to start their own threads and do so frequently.  

     raff01 started this thread to discuss Blastfromdapast (who doen't like SV or MO) recommending people not defend SV.  While he apparently thought it was a worthwhile topic for discussion, I'd have to disagree.

    This thread has been mostly off topic since #11

     


    Originally posted by Slapshot1188

    ROFL.  I think the best part is that they mention me twice in the thread. And they are wrong both times... 

    and entirely off-topic since #39

     


    Originally posted by Slapshot1188

    I believe that the linked OP is wrong.   It is a great thing to have fans and critics freely debate in an open and uncensored (contentwise) forum.  I just wish that someone from SV would take the advice as well and hop on over here(publicly)!

    Does anyone have anything more to say relevent to the original topic? If no, let's stick a fork in it, it's done.

    P.S. The inclusion of Slapshot's posts was not meant to imply he was leading it off-topic. His are the on-topic posts. I just included them instead of referencing the post number because any moderated posts would throw off the post #.

     

     

  • CatchmeifuCatchmeifu PerthPosts: 45Member

    Originally posted by raff01

    Originally posted by Catchmeifu


    Originally posted by Picklebeast


    Originally posted by Toferio


    Originally posted by deathshroud

    well thats were i cant understand why there is a dislike of the dev team. Mainly because since beta i have not had any problems with them at all other than them being a small company and all the usual gripes that go with it. for example before i clicked the pre-order option i seen their description of small indie development team and the emphasis on a very bumpy road to release.

    Everything is relative. When I read bumpy, I expected somewhat unstable, but playable game. Not completely empty beta where all you could do is run around and hit things (block A). Same goes for current product, I think that a year is more then enough to get your stuff straight. Then again, as said, "bumpy" is a very relative term, I guess.

    After that i knew what sort of ride i was in for before i hit the pre-order button, i knew what features would be in at release becasue they listed them and all but tindrem (with some extras) got released.

    True, but you see, there is a twist to that. When I buy a car for a price of a prosche, I expect the car quality to be relative to that price, not to a budget volvo. If they charge as much (was even more at start) as AAA title, I expect the features they promised to be fully developed and functional, not stripped down to their bare core and bugged.

    If I say "Character progression feature", you would probably think of levels, talents, perks, gear, attribute points, all in one package and you would be right to do so, considering your (I assume) experince with other MMO titles. However I think you would be pissed if all you got was exp grind and a level number to follow that. That's exactly what SV did. A simple feature such as Territory control can be as much as days and days of gameplay or just a change of a tag on the house.

     SV have made a few bad decisions in the past, but as a first time developer with a low amount of funds its understandable. You all might think the small indie company with no money argument has been overused, but it is the truth. Thats what they are and still are. Trying to ignore that statement wont make it go away.

    Having no money is no excuse for bad design decisions and trial and error approach to developing, turning your customers into labrats.

    Apart from that, what annoys me most are all the tricks SV uses to stay afloat. Sure, one is required to bite in and do everything one can, but to go nazi modding on forum in order to pretend everything is alright to new customers (who do you think ordered it?), or ignore the community suggestions and continue releasing broken features instead of focusing on the core.. The list can go on, all the small stuff together contribute to SV leaving a really bad taste in the mouth, and I wish for them to not become an successful example for others to point fingers to and say "If they got away with it, so can we!".

    Then again, each one to their own. I can understand not everyone sharing my opinion about the company.

    Very well put. You sum it up quite well.

     

    I would also add the complete inability to take responsibility for their problems. The SV "blame game" is unprecidented. Nothing is ever their fault- Hell, the customers are even blamed and accused of being "carebear" or "wow kiddies" if they leave the game angry because there is no sandbox here, game is nearly unplayable, there are no real goals and its a PVP deathmatch.

     

    When will we get a real sandbox game? If this is the spiritual succesor to UO than I am the King of England.

    Well at least there giving it a shot. You guys seem to know all the insid goss and what not so you must be able to tell us the real story because I doubt it is  not as black a white as it looks.

     

    Maybe you guys are the local shop assistances or maybe your ibm programmers I dont know.

     

    I understand these are your views but it sounds like to me you guys know how to do it better.

     

    So the real question is could you do it better?

    dude just WTF? No I couldn't do it better, but guess what we are the customers, we are no devs we don't have to "be able to do it better", we also have jobs, in which we probably do better than SV tho.

    I am an IT Manager for a big lawfirm. I do my job well, and when a friggin server fails and the customers (lawyers in my case) can't work properly cause of that do you really think my response should be "I know it sucks, but would you do it better?"

    If ever I'd say that I'd get fired and rightfully, cause guess what, its my job to fix server and network problems so that they can work, THEY PAY ME TO BE GOOD AT IT !

    Just like players are customers who pay the people at SV to make a good game and fix bugs so that they can play.

    "could you do it better" isn't the real question, its not even a legitimate question, its the lamest , last resort words of a helpless fanboy trying to troll his way through the forums because he ran out of arguments long time ago.

    If you wish to debate among us, then at least come with something.

    Lmao cheers for the insight

  • ToferioToferio RandomPosts: 1,405Member Uncommon

    Imo questionable actions of a non-factor community member (not to insult anyone, but that's the way it is) are not worthy of 3 pages long discussion.

  • funkmastaDfunkmastaD Grand Rapids, MIPosts: 647Member

    Originally posted by raff01

     

    The reason Deathshroud never got anything on MO forums is because he is a big time supporter and probably never posted any harsh criticism of the game.

    People getting warnings and bans on MO forums are the ones criticising or exposing MO/SV, or simply complaining, regardless of how polite they are.

    That's not even close to true, he's been very critical on occasion, it's just he voices those criticisms like an adult, and thus he doesn't get moderated for it.  

  • MordragMOMordragMO PdamPosts: 136Member

    Originally posted by funkmastaD

    That's not even close to true, he's been very critical on occasion, it's just he voices those criticisms like an adult,

    Where?

  • TalonsinTalonsin Posts: 1,475Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by deathshroud 

    If you cannot stomach the current state of the game mainly due to bugs and a lack of polish, then i see no reason why you would abosultely detest the game and want it to fail and disapear, afterall its in that niche market you was looking into and had those cool features/concepts you always wanted.

     

     So if I like italian food but find an italian eatery with roaches and poor food quality I should not want to see it closed down?  Your premise is flawed.  You base your statement on the reader looking for cool features and then you imply those features are in the game, they are NOT.  The cool features and concepts you point out that people wanted are not available in the game hence the motivation to see it fail and disappear. 

    Sure many of us would have liked to find a game in this niche but the FACT is MO is a poorly developed game with poor content and a lack of leadership.  The game and SV had a great vision that many of us shared, an open world PVP game were our actions would affect the world.  That is NOT what was delivered and that is NOT where the game is moving toward.  You have already stated several easy fixes that are needed and yet after over a YEAR have not been implemented.  Instead, SV adds things that no one asked for and do not move the game towards the vision of the game that continues to flow out of the SV PR machine.

  • kakasakikakasaki Lockhart, TXPosts: 1,205Member

    Originally posted by Talonsin

    Originally posted by deathshroud 

    If you cannot stomach the current state of the game mainly due to bugs and a lack of polish, then i see no reason why you would abosultely detest the game and want it to fail and disapear, afterall its in that niche market you was looking into and had those cool features/concepts you always wanted.

     

     So if I like italian food but find an italian eatery with roaches and poor food quality I should not want to see it closed down?  Your premise is flawed.  You base your statement on the reader looking for cool features and then you imply those features are in the game, they are NOT.  The cool features and concepts you point out that people wanted are not available in the game hence the motivation to see it fail and disappear. 

    Sure many of us would have liked to find a game in this niche but the FACT is MO is a poorly developed game with poor content and a lack of leadership.  The game and SV had a great vision that many of us shared, an open world PVP game were our actions would affect the world.  That is NOT what was delivered and that is NOT where the game is moving toward.  You have already stated several easy fixes that are needed and yet after over a YEAR have not been implemented.  Instead, SV adds things that no one asked for and do not move the game towards the vision of the game that continues to flow out of the SV PR machine.

    Sums up pretty nicely what has happened with MO. Good job! image

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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Boca Raton, FLPosts: 4,522Member Uncommon

    It has been an interesting thread (the one that is linked in the OP).  It is obvious that there is a significant difference of opinion in the community.  Perhaps StarVault and Black Opal will use this as an opportunity to learn something about their community.

    "I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator

    Starvault's reponse to criticism related to having a handful of players as the official "test" team for a supposed MMO: "We've just have another 10ish folk kind enough to voulenteer added tot the test team" (SIC) This explains much about the state of the game :-)

  • ToferioToferio RandomPosts: 1,405Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by funkmastaD

    Originally posted by raff01


     

    The reason Deathshroud never got anything on MO forums is because he is a big time supporter and probably never posted any harsh criticism of the game.

    People getting warnings and bans on MO forums are the ones criticising or exposing MO/SV, or simply complaining, regardless of how polite they are.

    That's not even close to true, he's been very critical on occasion, it's just he voices those criticisms like an adult, and thus he doesn't get moderated for it.  

    Yeah, because none of us heard about goodbye threads getting deleted, or mods kicking people from IRC simply because they disagree about "100 of new daily players".. ^^'

  • PeckusPeckus holly, MIPosts: 138Member

    What did you expect from a "Viral Marketing Campaign" spearheaded by the leftovers?

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  • PicklebeastPicklebeast JACKSON, MIPosts: 273Member

    Speaking of which, where is our friend Mr. black Opal? have not seen him post on the MO Forum in over a week (it seems)- In fact, is it just me or is the MO forum a ghost town? Its never been exactly "booming" but its seems almost...Stagnant right now.

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  • pockets666pockets666 Chicago, ILPosts: 198Member

    Originally posted by Picklebeast

    Speaking of which, where is our friend Mr. black Opal? have not seen him post on the MO Forum in over a week (it seems)- In fact, is it just me or is the MO forum a ghost town? Its never been exactly "booming" but its seems almost...Stagnant right now.

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    From what I hears Opal/Shinzon's modem went out and he is waiting for a new modem. 

    The forums over there are pretty lame it is the same 20 people posting on each other. 

    {mod edit}

    Henrick and gamescon.  Looking at the numbers in the quarterly I would guess he went there looking for money or a buyer.  Who knows what happened after that. 

     

    @username.  MO doesn't need another hate thread to show how crappy the game is.  Thousands have bought the game and only hundreds are playing.  Is it because of hate threads or maybe the game is bad?

  • PeckusPeckus holly, MIPosts: 138Member

    Originally posted by Picklebeast

    Speaking of which, where is our friend Mr. black Opal? have not seen him post on the MO Forum in over a week (it seems)- In fact, is it just me or is the MO forum a ghost town? Its never been exactly "booming" but its seems almost...Stagnant right now.

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    It has been rather dead and MO related spam was also down until today.

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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Boca Raton, FLPosts: 4,522Member Uncommon

    Looks like they banned the OP (on the official MO forums) for having the audacity to make the thread... and then went and locked the thread we are discussing:

        
















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    Originally posted by Slapshot1188

    Looks like they banned the OP (on the official MO forums) for having the audacity to make the thread... and then went and locked the thread we are discussing:

        
















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    He must be clairvoyant, calling it 5 days in advance. SPOOOOOK!!!

     

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