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  • kilunkilun Member UncommonPosts: 829

    Originally posted by Kreedz

    This is what happens when big developers let their ego's get the best of them, they assume all of their games will simply sell if it has their name on it, nevermind if the gameplay is utter crap or that its a constant battle of balance with the games abilities and functions, They could slap their logo on a paper bag full of shyte and people would still buy it.

     

    This is a cash grab, no matter what spin they try to put on it, theyre basically accepting the 'gold buying' trend, repackaging it and making it a 'legal' form of it.

     

    There are plenty of other games out there and I think its high time people to stand up for their principals, reject this game and find their fun in other games, perhaps in the indie market where developers havnt sold their souls yet.

     

    But alas, people are like sheep and they will still buy it because they dont want to be left out the experience if the game is a hit just because 'everyone' else is playing it.

     

    At least I will have the satisfaction of knowing I'm not part of the idiot crowd.

     Again, how are people like sheep?  This was going on to begin with.  Diablo is a single player game with a multiplayer option.  You can do the WHOLE GAME solo.  There are ZERO parts that require interacting with other people.  All more players do is increase the difficulty of the game and hopefully that at least allow you to adjust the difficulty based on players like you can do with /players command in D2 offline currently to increase experience, difficulty and item drops.

    What are they doing with this real cash auction house that is harming you personally while you play?  Seriously I would love to read a logical and well thought out explaination from someone who is opposed to this and their idea of dealing with the 3rd party sites that is better than what they decided that will keep the spirit of Diablo's game play.  Please if someone has a better way to go about this other than allow every player to make a few bucks finding a rare item let us know.

    As for another game?  I'd love to know which, Diablo series has been out 15 years now and not one game has came even close to offering any kind of competition.  Dungeon Siege one with microsoft offered the only other lobby base system with its release and it was a total failure of drastic nature(I still like that game though, II not at all)  I still play Diablo II.  I haven't quit and its the first game I pickup when I stop playing an MMO.

  • FaelanFaelan Member UncommonPosts: 819

    Originally posted by Eliandal



    Originally posted by Faelan

    Well, that's one game I don't have to worry about spending my money on. Thankfully, I was never really all that interested in D3 to begin with, so not a huge loss for me. I am however a little concerned about other companies seeing this as some sort of green light for implementing their own version of this diabolic milking scheme.

     

      As was posted earlier, this is in no way something new.  Yell at Sony (as the first real major player) for starting this off.


     

    I believe you're refering to EQ2 with those special servers that almost nobody knows about or remembers anymore? I'm quite aware of that, but there's a huge difference between SoE doing something and Blizzard doing something. SoE is like Canada... nobody listens to them or take them serious.

    I'm a big ol' fluffy carewolf. Be afraid. Be very afraid.

  • RevivialRevivial Member Posts: 194

    Originally posted by Zeppelin4

    I don't care one way or the other. Nothing changes for me.  I log in, create my private server to play solo or with with my friends and or family. If I get lucky on a rare drop that I or my friends or family don't need I could make some cash off it. Win win in my books. The rest I can sell on the normal AH another win win. 

     

    I really don't understand many of these posts. You can still play Diablo 3 the same way you played Diablo 2 other then you need to be connected to bnet at all times. 

    This exactly.

    I really am confused by some of the responses, they either don't factor in the fact that Blizz said not all transactions will be charged a fee for posting, or the fact that Diablo is not a MMO with thousands of people standing around showing off their gear in Stormwind.

    It is a player to player market, not a company to player market...

    "I swear -- by my life and my love for it -- that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine."
    - John Galt

  • crazynannycrazynanny Member Posts: 173
    I'd understand peeps being naive and raging over forums, but mmorpg.com joining them? Oh well never had big expectations anyways. Some things You missed in article or stated plain wrong. Here's my list for that and come comments below:

    1. Blizz will give some free listings weekly so casual sellers don't have to pay a dime for selling items.
    2. Expecting Blizz to maintain huge chunk of multiplayer servers, staff for them, staff for support hacked people, GMs for banning RMT/farmers and players and all that for one time box sale with no monthly fee was ubernaive.
    3. This is not an MMO, but a lobby game. Anyone but hardcore PvP players won't be affected by RMAH if they don't want to. Those into PvP would have to deal with people who bought gear via websites like d2jsp, now they have legal alternative + ability to sell items.
    4. No offline play is bad, but it hides a lot of code from hackers and that's one of major reasons to do it.
    5. Anyone who seriously played diablo 2 know all those issues and is perfectly aware that everything is a result of blizz experience, rather than money grab.
  • OSF8759OSF8759 Member Posts: 284

    Gold farmers have an overhead to meet, so they have a certain floor below wich they cannot sell. The average player who is just looking to sell their stuff for whatever they can get has no such floor. They can sell for prices far lower than the farmers. Selling an item for even one penny is still pure profit. For the farmer, that means going out of business.

    No, I don't think gold farmers like this idea at all. I think they prefer the closed systems they currently have, where the only competition is from other gold farmers, not average players who can sell their items for next to nothing.

    Not having to go to some skanky gold selling site, but instead buying from a secure and convenient in-game location, no the gold farmers are not happy about this development at all I'd say.

  • Ramonski7Ramonski7 Member UncommonPosts: 2,662

    Wow I'm perplexed at how naive some mmo gamers really are?! This is a single player game that can be played online with up to (what) 4 people? This is no way/shape/form like a mmo where you're gonna bump into other players or farmers. Someone taking your spawn camp? Really now?!?

     

    Also it seems people don't remember how wide spread selling D2 items on ebay was. I remember how foolish I thought people were who bought that stuff then and I still think it's foolish now. The only thing that is changing is now players have a legit place to do it without feeling like they could get ripped off. More power to them. You know how much this will effect me? Zippo! Because most of the time I will be playing exclusively with my friends. Just like I did with D1 and D2.

     

    It's like getting mad because people give business to rent-a-centers or payday loan stores. Just because you won't go there doesn't mean there is not a demand for it. Hell who knows. I may even be able to make back my money spent on D3 if I get an exceptionally rare piece of loot. Then I can say I play entirely for free. Win-win in my book.

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  • HurricanePipHurricanePip Member Posts: 167

    Yes.  If you can't beat 'em, join 'em.

    I have to admit, I don't really want to play the game, but I wonder if it's worth botting for a little bit of extra cash.

    If you don't worry about it, it's not a problem.

  • TokyojoeTokyojoe Member Posts: 49

    Don't quit your day job.

    I may know the least here,but I am the loudest about what I do know.

  • Major69er1Major69er1 Member UncommonPosts: 133

    LOL this is what we all want a single player p2w game, I havent bought a Blizzard product since WoWs BC expansion and looks like it will be awhile before I buy another.I hope the fan boys enjoy getting out there wallets as if 60 bucks wasnt enough they will have to pay more.

  • ChackzChackz Member Posts: 76

    QQ kid. You can use the gold aution house noob!

  • bestiacorpusbestiacorpus Member Posts: 114

    I was never a fan of competitive online diablo games.  I just play the single-player campaigns with hacks to speed up the process so I can skip the grind and go on smoothly with the STORY.  I pretty much don't care about difficulty levels because it's just mindless hack and slash grind. Equipment? If you've played video games with equipable items, you'd know 90% of the time the items drop are based on RANDOM NUMBER GENERATION. More grind to get an item---why??? t's not hardwork since you don't really assemble the parts and craft the item you want.  Flaunting your hundred of hours worth of grind work for pixelized flair? Better check your real world hard work and digital hard work values mind friends! A click is not a swing of a real blacksmith hammer pounding flaming steel on anvil.

    That will change because of this new auction system.  After long years of (passing/wasting time) playing a video game, I can finally EARN REAL MONEY WHILE PLAYING A VIDEO GAME.  Earning $1in my opinion will always be better than $0.  My hobby funding some of my other hobby/vices? How great is that?!  I've sold powerleveled accounts before and now I can sell things within the terms and restrictions of the game---LEGALLY!  I can already see myself playing Diablo. Diablo paying for my cable monthly.

    Blizzard Grabs for Cash? I call it genius.

  • ElikalElikal Member UncommonPosts: 7,912

    It's just another proof how FAR away from the gamers reality companies and devs really are. They always play this "oh we are one of you" card, but in truth they are overpaid rich bonzos who are just as far from our everyday gamer reality as politicians from RL.

    Bah. Not that I am a big Diablo fan, but opening a cash AH in a single player game... that's just outragerous.

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  • fundayzfundayz Member Posts: 463

    Originally posted by Chackz



    QQ kid. You can use the gold aution house noob!


     

    Don't be naive, the prices on the Gold AH are going to be so inflated due to rampant gold selling that the average user is not going to be able to use it on a consistent basis, if at all.

  • OkhamsRazorOkhamsRazor Member Posts: 1,047

    I doubt I would have played Diablo 3 anyway because quite frankly I don't trust anything Blizzard do anymore . This really only just reinforces my view of the company . Credibility is worth money in real terms and Blizzard seam to be selling thiers for short term profit over long term game . There will be a day when we will say " remember how successful Blizzard used to be " and use thier example as a cautionary tale about how a once mighty developer can lose it all . I think the faliure or mediocre success of Diablo 3 and Ttian will take the shine of this company . Mark my words the bigger they are the harder they fall .

  • CelestianCelestian Member UncommonPosts: 1,136

    Won't bother buying the game.  They can promote hackers, credit card fraud and spammers all they like w/o me.

  • Ramonski7Ramonski7 Member UncommonPosts: 2,662

    Originally posted by Elikal

    It's just another proof how FAR away from the gamers reality companies and devs really are. They always play this "oh we are one of you" card, but in truth they are overpaid rich bonzos who are just as far from our everyday gamer reality as politicians from RL.

    Bah. Not that I am a big Diablo fan, but opening a cash AH in a single player game... that's just shameful.

    Reading is fun cause knowledge is power brah! The RM-AH is for hardcore Diablo 3 players. Not some average joe who casually plays and was fighting to convince himself to buy the game in the first place. D2 if you care to know is still played by some gamers and they enjoy it as you and I would enjoy any favorite game we still love to play. So when you talk about how out-of-touch Blizzard is toward everyday players then you are exactly what this system is not made for.

     

    On top of that you admit that you're not even a big Diablo fan, which leads me to believe you know what the difference is between a regular fan and a BIG fan. To all the regular fans, this system will not change a thing as this is NOT a mmo.

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  • ElikalElikal Member UncommonPosts: 7,912

    Originally posted by Ramonski7

    Originally posted by Elikal

    It's just another proof how FAR away from the gamers reality companies and devs really are. They always play this "oh we are one of you" card, but in truth they are overpaid rich bonzos who are just as far from our everyday gamer reality as politicians from RL.

    Bah. Not that I am a big Diablo fan, but opening a cash AH in a single player game... that's just shameful.

    Reading is fun cause knowledge is power brah! The RM-AH is for hardcore Diablo 3 players. Not some average joe who casually plays and was fighting to convince himself to buy the game in the first place. D2 if you care to know is still played by some gamers and they enjoy it as you and I would enjoy any favorite game we still love to play. So when you talk about how out-of-touch Blizzard is toward everyday players then you are exactly what this system is not made for.

     

    On top of that you admit that you're not even a big Diablo fan, which leads me to believe you know what the difference is between a regular fan and a BIG fan. To all the regular fans, this system will not change a thing as this is NOT a mmo.

    Don't you SEE that it's a plot!

    ITS A TRAP!

    No really. First the 25 dollar pony. Now the 150 dollar TOR CE and the 150 dollar Skyrim CE. AND now this. It all is the monetization of a hobby where once all were equal. Where RL income did not influence gameplay. They continually try to drive the profit margin up by milking out more money.

    I say NO. Fight it where ever it arises. Fight in at the beaches, fight it in the forests, fight in on the mountains! It's salami tactics. Slide by slide the sausage is eaten. Bit by bit games are monetized.

    No. It's bad for gamers.

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  • dothackkingdothackking Member UncommonPosts: 74

    I think anyone whining about this never played Diablo 2, or never met the secret "black market."

     

    The farmers and dupers were making crazy money on D2, and Blizzard is trying to keep players from having to go to shady third party sites to buy from the farmers that they're sure to buy from.

  • KelthiusKelthius Member UncommonPosts: 298

    Originally posted by fundayz



    Originally posted by Chackz





    QQ kid. You can use the gold aution house noob!






     

    Don't be naive, the prices on the Gold AH are going to be so inflated due to rampant gold selling that the average user is not going to be able to use it on a consistent basis, if at all.

    This. It doesn't matter that you can get it on the gold auction house. The person who spends RL money will advance faster than anyone who doesn't. D3 is officially P2W.

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  • AzrileAzrile Member Posts: 2,582

    Originally posted by Raventree



    The only thing that worries me about this is that if people can sell things for real world money, why would they bother selling them for game currency?  I wonder if items will all end up being sold for real money so the ability to buy them for game currency will suddenly begin to decrease and then eventually simply go away.  Not only that, but then this new real money auction house will spread to other games like a cancer when all gaming companies see they can get a cut of the profits for very little work. 

    A worst case scenario is that playing MMOs becomes less of a time sink for people and more of a persistent money sink.  You want that item?  Oh, well it isn't available for game currency because the seller is only offering it for real money.  You want those other 10 items?  None of them are offered for game currency, so get out your wallet, biatch.

    Initially it sounds like you can buy items for either game currency or real money, but how long will that last when there is the potential to make a real profit?


     

    In Diablo 2, nobody ever sold anything for ingame currency.  I think you guys are all looking at it from a MMORPG perspective and not from a Diablo 2 perspective.  Anyone who played D2 loves this addition because it provides a safe, ingame way to do what most players were doing anyway on hacked 3rd party sites.

  • EliandalEliandal Member Posts: 796

    Originally posted by Azrile



    Originally posted by Raventree





    The only thing that worries me about this is that if people can sell things for real world money, why would they bother selling them for game currency?  I wonder if items will all end up being sold for real money so the ability to buy them for game currency will suddenly begin to decrease and then eventually simply go away.  Not only that, but then this new real money auction house will spread to other games like a cancer when all gaming companies see they can get a cut of the profits for very little work. 

    A worst case scenario is that playing MMOs becomes less of a time sink for people and more of a persistent money sink.  You want that item?  Oh, well it isn't available for game currency because the seller is only offering it for real money.  You want those other 10 items?  None of them are offered for game currency, so get out your wallet, biatch.

    Initially it sounds like you can buy items for either game currency or real money, but how long will that last when there is the potential to make a real profit?






     

    In Diablo 2, nobody ever sold anything for ingame currency.  I think you guys are all looking at it from a MMORPG perspective and not from a Diablo 2 perspective.  Anyone who played D2 loves this addition because it provides a safe, ingame way to do what most players were doing anyway on hacked 3rd party sites.

     

      But...But...But...it's still P2W, and this is MMORPG....and all people can do is rage here!  While true, your post will be ignored because it doesn't fit in to what the 'gamers' here feel is right, and since they speak for everyone and are always right...well....

  • AKASlaphappyAKASlaphappy Member UncommonPosts: 800

    Originally posted by crazynanny





    1. Blizz will give some free listings weekly so casual sellers don't have to pay a dime for selling items.

     

    You make it sound as if players will get free listing for the life of the game that is not what the FAQ says: Please note that we plan to waive the listing portion of the fee for a limited number of transactions per account.


     


    Limited number of transactions per account, not weekly, wonder what that means can you super genius Blizzard lovers explain that to us. Oh I love it, the irony of Blizzard fans telling the people on MMORPG to read up because they do not know what they are talking about, and the Blizzard fans have not even read the FAQ!


     


     


    Originally posted by Ramonski7

    On top of that you admit that you're not even a big Diablo fan, which leads me to believe you know what the difference is between a regular fan and a BIG fan. To all the regular fans, this system will not change a thing as this is NOT a mmo.


    Tell that to the regular fans that go into the Arena for some PVP and get pounded into the dust by the people that bought the best items in the game. Yep no affects what so ever on the game, thanks for clearing that up. 


     


     


    Originally posted by HurricanePip

    Yes.  If you can't beat 'em, join 'em.



     

    And just because saying asinine stuff is fun, people murder thousands of other people a year. If you cannot beat then let’s join them, legalize murder. Woohoo, now I need to get me a M60!


     


     


    Originally posted by Azrile

      Anyone who played D2 loves this addition because it provides a safe, ingame way to do what most players were doing anyway on hacked 3rd party sites.

    Oh yes the most people do it so we should make it so they do not get punished if caught argument. I agree with that we should legalize all drugs, murder, rape, and thievery; after all you could argue most of mankind does it so why should they get punished for it. I love his argument it is the best!



     


     




  • SuraknarSuraknar Member UncommonPosts: 852

    The more I think about this the more it seems like Blizzard is walking on to a very slipery slope.

    Whop is to say, that someone in the world, does not find a way to hack the game and get access to unlimited copies of the game's items that some people may want to have? Who is to say, that some obscure Dev does not do this even, knowing the code of the game & all.

    Greed can be a very powerfull incentive fro some people to venture in to the gray zone or even cross the line.

    I was looking forward to many hours of fun with it, as I did have with the previous two games, but enough is enough.

    I shall leave it at that, I have decided not to play D3, if it does not support real Solo (Offline) play, I am simply out, D3 never existed.

    Besides, Guild Wars 2 is nearing launch will have fun there instead.

    - Duke Suraknar -
    Order of the Silver Star, OSS

    ESKA, Playing MMORPG's since Ultima Online 1997 - Order of the Silver Serpent, Atlantic Shard
  • Major69er1Major69er1 Member UncommonPosts: 133

    What will stop Blizzard from creating items and putting them for sale for real monies that are greater then the ones you find? This game introduces so many dishonest ways of cheating people.I dont understand how real gamers codone such actions.

  • sigrethsigreth Member UncommonPosts: 21

    First off, no one will be able to camp and farm spots so you can't go there. D3 is not an MMO. Its an online game where you have instances of the game with a few people, and you choose them.

    Second, there will be two auction houses. A real world money one and an in-game currency one. Why would you use the second one? Well, the real world money one will require real world money just like EBay and other auctions. Creigs List idea mentioned above is probably the only way around spending money to make money with an auction house.

    Finally, why care so much about the auction houses? You don't have to use them. As another posted about FUNCOM. It seems you people complain just to complain, especially about Blizzard. Why fault anyone for wanting to make money off of something they built? No one around here complains about the farmers price on eggs or milk. The video game industry is about making money just like everyone else. I say more power to Blizzard for having a way to support their game without the need of subscriptions.

    - Sigreth

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