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Diablo 3: The "Real Money" Auction House

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  • crazynannycrazynanny PopowoMember Posts: 173

    Have to say that Blizz has a balls to pull this one off. And I'm perfectly fine with it(later more about it). I mean it's grey in moral side, we all want shiny Blizz on white horse smacking bans with big hammer on those pesky RMT sellers and buyers. But reality is a tad more complex.


    People was, are and will buy from RMT sites or each other on Ebay and other sites(google d2jsp). I mean sure You can ban them all and hire more GMs and do the 1st shoot myself in foot as it'll only bring less revenue(banned customers) and more expenses(more staff to pay salaries). Even more those who You will not catch will get hacked or scammed and go for Blizz support - again lost revenue cause some will /ragequit blaming Blizz being hacked + more expenses on hiring more support to restore accounts. So 2nd shoot in the foot. All of this to frankly achieve nothing except looking good, not that this will be apreciated in any way as RMT will still be visible both in and out of game and people will still complain. That's the Blizz point of view.


    Now off to player aka mine point of view. People will hack, exploit, cheat and buy from RMT gaining advantage and frankly I can't do a thing about it. I can either don't care or don't play. Since it's not MMO I couldn't care less what other will do and get. Besides for me it's about playing not having +6 e-peen sword of doom. AH will get some RMT out of game, so less spamming their offers and such. Besides having a big market of items to finish set is always a good thing. Be it buying by some casual guy or selling few items by hardcore one. Don't like it, don't use it as simple as that. At least You have a safe choice unlike with sites full of keyloggers and such. But I must admit I'm curious how it'll affect in game currency and gold selling.


    Anyways I'll be buying Diablo and I care more about no offline mode, which I'm angry about, than real cash AH. Funny thing is that this whole issue could bring completely new people to diablo - less interested with gaming, more in profit again I wonder how will this affect whole thing. Anyways:

    As long as Blizz themselves doesn't sell items/gold I don't care.

  • TGSOLTGSOL Idaho City, IDMember Posts: 274

    Originally posted by Icewhite

    "There will continue to be opportunities for us to exploit the PC platform in ways that we haven’t yet."--B. Kotick.

    "The goal that I had in bringing a lot of the packaged goods folks into Activision about 10 years ago was to take all the fun out of making video games." - Bobby Kotick

     

    "...if it was left to me, I would raise the prices even further." - Bobby Kotick

     

    "Kotick's real bombshell of a statement didn't hit until he stopped talking about gaming technology and started discussing his views on corporate culture. According to Gamespot, Kotick 'pointed to changes he implemented in the past as being particularly beneficial, such as designing the employee incentive program so it 'really rewards profit and nothing else.''" - http://hothardware.com/News/Activision-Blizzard-CEO-Bobby-Kotick-Talks-Gaming-Hates-Happy-People/

  • RanyrRanyr Member Posts: 197 Uncommon

    Originally posted by cyress8

    I cannot wait till the AH is so saturated with the loot from the multi-account RMT companies. I can get my epics for a dollar and will jump for joy. Who else is with me?

    No one seems to know that people sold items for real money all over Diablo 2. Why let a random third-party sell your in-game items for money when you can do it in-game yourself for a small fee?

    They are just removing the third party and keeping it in house. It's not a big deal, if they hadn't added this themselves than it would just happen again and the third parties would profit again.

    Get some perspective and know all the facts before you doom-say please. RMT for items WILL ALWAYS HAPPEN REGARDLESS. This is a smart business move and you kind of have to respect them for it.

    The key factor is making gold worthwhile unlike in Diablo 2, this will curb the RMT and keep it in check.

  • KnaveSkyeKnaveSkye Chula Vista, CAMember Posts: 83 Uncommon

    After giving this some time to settle, it really doesnt bother me. When it occured to me that this will only really be detimental potentially to the PVP crowd, I realized I had no reason to be worried.

    How many complaining about this actually played the first 2 games? I cant imagine anyone who did being so upset about the RMT side of this, when you consider it will also have a ingame currency side as well.

    A MMO style auction house to buy and sell items from those not interested in the RMT market, yes please. Potentially being grouped up with people who spent real money on their gear instead of grinding for it...PVE it makes no difference.

    Blizzard is doing everything they can to make this game something people want to play until the inevitable expansion, this is just another tool at everyones disposal to enhance that experience. It is also a tool you have to option to completely ignore.

  • parrotpholkparrotpholk Leland, NCMember Posts: 3,275

    Originally posted by KnaveSkye

    After giving this some time to settle, it really doesnt bother me. When it occured to me that this will only really be detimental potentially to the PVP crowd, I realized  had to reason to be worried. How many complaining about this actually played the first 2 games? I cant imagine anyone who did being so upset about the RMT side of this, when you consider it will also have a ingame currency side as well. A MMO style auction house to buy and sell items from those not interested in the RMT market, yes please. Potentially being grouped up with people who spent real money on their gear instead of grinding for it...PVE it makes no difference. Blizzard is doing everything they can to make this game something people want to play until the inevitable expansion, this is just another tool at everyones disposal to enhance that experience. It is also a tool you have to option to completely ignore.

    But where is the incentive to put anything actually worthwhile on the ingame currency AH when you can get paid off it. People who choose not to participate in Blizzards money grab will still get the shaft.

  • SulaaSulaa nMember Posts: 1,320 Uncommon

    New recent trend that is seen in last few years make me wonder more and more. How is so that people are more worried about companies interest that their own one. Well whatever is the reason I sure would be happy if i were investor or in menagment on game company.

     

    As for limiting item trade/bots/hacks there are many ways most companies havent implemented or did only partially. Other than just simply increasing GM's numbers.

     

    You're right in one though - "legalizing" RMT trade , having control over it (remember Bliz set drop rate and add new shinies through udates and patches) and taking a cut from each sale , acually will increase revenue and profits alot while other solutions would propably not at least nowhere as much.

    I understand Acti/Bliz I just don't understand some players that actually actively help game company increase profits by their own expense.

     

    Guess I am just "old fashioned" and "non-trendy" these days.

     

    Well anyway. Good night. It is preety late down here.

  • KnaveSkyeKnaveSkye Chula Vista, CAMember Posts: 83 Uncommon

    Originally posted by parrotpholk


    Originally posted by KnaveSkye


    After giving this some time to settle, it really doesnt bother me. When it occured to me that this will only really be detimental potentially to the PVP crowd, I realized  had to reason to be worried. How many complaining about this actually played the first 2 games? I cant imagine anyone who did being so upset about the RMT side of this, when you consider it will also have a ingame currency side as well. A MMO style auction house to buy and sell items from those not interested in the RMT market, yes please. Potentially being grouped up with people who spent real money on their gear instead of grinding for it...PVE it makes no difference. Blizzard is doing everything they can to make this game something people want to play until the inevitable expansion, this is just another tool at everyones disposal to enhance that experience. It is also a tool you have to option to completely ignore.

    But where is the incentive to put anything actually worthwhile on the ingame currency AH when you can get paid off it. People who choose not to participate in Blizzards money grab will still get the shaft.

     You also have to remember that there is a flat fee both for listing and for the successful sell of an item if i read correctly. Not everyone, the younger crowd in particualr, is going to have money to list these items, so i would imagine there will be plenty of items available in both markets. This is a AAA game with some serious brand appeal, we are talking millions of people playing and potentially participating.

  • cyress8cyress8 Croatia, VTMember Posts: 832


    Originally posted by Ranyr

    Originally posted by cyress8
    I cannot wait till the AH is so saturated with the loot from the multi-account RMT companies. I can get my epics for a dollar and will jump for joy. Who else is with me?
    No one seems to know that people sold items for real money all over Diablo 2. Why let a random third-party sell your in-game items for money when you can do it in-game yourself for a small fee?
    They are just removing the third party and keeping it in house. It's not a big deal, if they hadn't added this themselves than it would just happen again and the third parties would profit again.
    Get some perspective and know all the facts before you doom-say please. RMT for items WILL ALWAYS HAPPEN REGARDLESS. This is a smart business move and you kind of have to respect them for it.
    The key factor is making gold worthwhile unlike in Diablo 2, this will curb the RMT and keep it in check.


    We know people sold items in D2. However, it still will not curb the RMT companies. They have been in the game for too long to not find a loophole. One being controlling the market by bombarding it will goods to control lower the prices to chump change levels and then outright buying out all the cheap goods and jacking up the prices. It has happened in plenty of games. I fear it will happen here, but at least Blizzard makes a profit, eh?

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  • parrotpholkparrotpholk Leland, NCMember Posts: 3,275

    Originally posted by KnaveSkye


    Originally posted by parrotpholk



    Originally posted by KnaveSkye


    After giving this some time to settle, it really doesnt bother me. When it occured to me that this will only really be detimental potentially to the PVP crowd, I realized  had to reason to be worried. How many complaining about this actually played the first 2 games? I cant imagine anyone who did being so upset about the RMT side of this, when you consider it will also have a ingame currency side as well. A MMO style auction house to buy and sell items from those not interested in the RMT market, yes please. Potentially being grouped up with people who spent real money on their gear instead of grinding for it...PVE it makes no difference. Blizzard is doing everything they can to make this game something people want to play until the inevitable expansion, this is just another tool at everyones disposal to enhance that experience. It is also a tool you have to option to completely ignore.

    But where is the incentive to put anything actually worthwhile on the ingame currency AH when you can get paid off it. People who choose not to participate in Blizzards money grab will still get the shaft.

     You also have to remember that there is a flat fee both for listing and for the successful sell of an item if i read correctly. Not everyone, the younger crowd in particualr, is going to have money to list these items, so i would imagine there will be plenty of items available in both markets. This is a AAA game with some serious brand appeal, we are talking millions of people playing and potentially participating.

    That will depend on if the charge is up front or they take it off the sale.  Then anyone in theory can participate also depending on the options for cashing out.  

  • KnaveSkyeKnaveSkye Chula Vista, CAMember Posts: 83 Uncommon

    Originally posted by parrotpholk


    Originally posted by KnaveSkye



    Originally posted by parrotpholk



    Originally posted by KnaveSkye


    After giving this some time to settle, it really doesnt bother me. When it occured to me that this will only really be detimental potentially to the PVP crowd, I realized  had to reason to be worried. How many complaining about this actually played the first 2 games? I cant imagine anyone who did being so upset about the RMT side of this, when you consider it will also have a ingame currency side as well. A MMO style auction house to buy and sell items from those not interested in the RMT market, yes please. Potentially being grouped up with people who spent real money on their gear instead of grinding for it...PVE it makes no difference. Blizzard is doing everything they can to make this game something people want to play until the inevitable expansion, this is just another tool at everyones disposal to enhance that experience. It is also a tool you have to option to completely ignore.

    But where is the incentive to put anything actually worthwhile on the ingame currency AH when you can get paid off it. People who choose not to participate in Blizzards money grab will still get the shaft.

     You also have to remember that there is a flat fee both for listing and for the successful sell of an item if i read correctly. Not everyone, the younger crowd in particualr, is going to have money to list these items, so i would imagine there will be plenty of items available in both markets. This is a AAA game with some serious brand appeal, we are talking millions of people playing and potentially participating.

    That will depend on if the charge is up front or they take it off the sale.  Then anyone in theory can participate also depending on the options for cashing out.  

     http://pc.ign.com/articles/118/1185020p1.html

    "It's also Blizzard's way of making more money. There'll be a "nominal" flat fee charged by Blizzard for every item you post on the Auction House, as well as a transaction fee when the item is sold."

  • ThomasN7ThomasN7 87.18.7.148 1, NJMember Posts: 6,690

    It is essentially like owning your own business except you pay Bli$$ard a fee for doing so. You farm for virtual items and sell them for real money. The gold sellers that you once hated you will now become one of them if you take part in Diablo 3. Even if you do not use the real money auction house by purchasing the game you complying that you accepting thats its ok to gold farm.

    In lesser terms, I may not have pulled the trigger but I gave them the motivation and tools to do so. That is what this essentially is. All for what you loved about gaming is now gone.

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  • MalevilMalevil BratislavaMember Posts: 468

    Sadly I'm pretty sure they will make shit load of money out of Real money AH, but not a single cent from me.

    I'm realy realy dispointed, was looking forward to this game, but I will vote with my wallet and I just hope enough ppl will do the same to stop this madness. I dreading the day when real money AH will become standart feature for online games.

  • MyrdynnMyrdynn Beaumont, CAMember Posts: 1,794 Uncommon

     

    I am assuming this is how this real money thing will work

    If I am playing a Monk and I find Giant Sword of Godliness, I can auction it for real money, that cash gets added to a seperate tab on your account, aside from regular in game gold, that you can then use to buy your self items, or cash out.  I think this is great.  Its much better then the "F2P/P2W" concept that is out there.  Now at least I can buy stuff that I want by selling stuff that others want.  I think from a business stand point its a great idea.  I assume Blizzard will take a % cut of each item sold for RL cash a brokerage fee, so they will continue generating revenue without making it P2W.  Say you sell a few items over the time you play, and there is an expansion released, you dont have to fork out more money, just use some of the cash you have in reserve.

    Two thumbs up in my opinion, I know I am in the minority, but I like this business model much more then the others I have seen out there, and if they make it online only, It will be much more secure then past Diablo games

  • RabenwolfRabenwolf Los Angeles, CAMember Posts: 1,439 Uncommon

    A real money auction house done by blizzard is nothing short of brilliant in my opinion.

    Diablo has always been a lot like playing the slot machines at a casino, what this means is that there is some truly rare loot in the game. This gives people a lot more incentive to play and farm, to test their luck and see what they get, even after beating the game. Imagine the excitement at finding something truly rare and then having to decide if you want to put it on the AH or keeping it.

    The pro is that both the player and blizzard can earn some money for playing the game. Playing the game normally has a lottery like element to it, you can "win the jackpot" so to speak. Furthermore its official, not done by some shady third party.

    Think of it as being no different than playing Magic the Gathering in which each boosterpack may contain a very rare card. Yes it affects gameplay, it can make your deck even stronger, and it has worth that someone can buy for their own deck. If the player's character were a Deck , then its not really an odd concept to buy a piece of equipment you really want but have had no luck finding on your own.

    They are turning the game into a pro gaming platform also with multiplayer. Like Starcraft, the best players will want to invest their time and money into being the best and when the best fight against the best, it is entertainment at its best.

  • TheCrow2kTheCrow2k Adelaide, AKMember Posts: 953

    Between this and the "my character will die if my net connection drops out" Diablo 3 is getting a big no thankyou from me.

  • DistopiaDistopia Baltimore, MDMember Posts: 19,606 Epic

    Originally posted by vesavius



    As for the 'it's gonna happen anyhow'... well, thats BS as well, to be frank.
    They could have designed the game so it didnt happen. Instead they have decided to cash in on it.
     

    How the heck do they design a loot grinder so that this doesn't happen?  Private sales are all based on what a character can earn in game, the only way to design a game so that this doesn't happen is to take away the ability to trade. I'm sure those who play D3 and games like it would rather have that ability.

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  • MalevilMalevil BratislavaMember Posts: 468

    Originally posted by Rabenwolf

    A real money auction house done by blizzard is nothing short of brilliant in my opinion.
    Diablo has always been a lot like playing the slot machines at a casino, what this means is that there is some truly rare loot in the game. This gives people a lot more incentive to play and farm, to test their luck and see what they get, even after beating the game. Imagine the excitement at finding something truly rare and then having to decide if you want to put it on the AH or keeping it.
    The pro is that both the player and blizzard can earn some money for playing the game. Playing the game normally has a lottery like element to it, you can "win the jackpot" so to speak. Furthermore its official, not done by some shady third party.
    Think of it as being no different than playing Magic the Gathering in which each boosterpack may contain a very rare card. Yes it affects gameplay, it can make your deck even stronger, and it has worth that someone can buy for their own deck. If the player's character were a Deck , then its not really an odd concept to buy a piece of equipment you really want but have had no luck finding on your own.
    They are turning the game into a pro gaming platform also with multiplayer. Like Starcraft, the best players will want to invest their time and money into being the best and when the best fight against the best, it is entertainment at its best.

    You live in dream world. Now account hacking will have for ppl real money impact. Now playing AH by gold faming companies will have real money impact. But yeah I can see a lot of naive kiddies drawn to Diablo 3 by vision they will make money by playing game ...

  • KorbyKorby Irvine, CAMember Posts: 499

    It's just going to lower the prices of "illegal" sites, not get rid of them.

  • TezcatlapoccaTezcatlapocca IpswichMember Posts: 7 Uncommon

    Originally posted by Korby

    It's just going to lower the prices of "illegal" sites, not get rid of them.

    Ya and on the list of "black listed" RMT websites we can now add Battle.net to that. So sad they took this route...

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  • Dave3216Dave3216 GeelongMember Posts: 133

    Double post my bad.

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  • Dave3216Dave3216 GeelongMember Posts: 133

    Originally posted by jinxxed0

    You guys are funny. As soon as theres an option to buy something, you freak out and say you're not playing. Its still the same game. What changes. I mean honestly, think about it before clicking reply. 
     
    If a guy spends 18 hours a day for a week playing a game and gets better stuff than you, you dont complain. But if another guy spends his money that he earned to get better than stuff than you, you get upset? So what? In both cases, neither of these people's actions affect you. They both just have decent stuff. One spent time, the other spent money. You act like devs of any game are going to sell a one super weapon that makes a crappy player into a good player. The only things cashshops do are either let people progress faster, look fancy, or give them quality of life. You can spend your time getting the same things.
     
    Some people want to waste money on things that dont really exist and others want to waste time for them, in the end, everyone loses something. I assume its kids/teens whos brains are still developing that in that "its not fair" mindset. Its pretty fair. Some people have a lot of time, some people have more money, some people have neither, some people have both. 

     

    Ok two points. The first one people always seem to forget especially if they are in favour of RMT. Games are a hobby, not a right. If you dont have time to play games, then you shouldnt be playing them. Food Water Air are rights every person should have, GAMES are not. RMT are there to help those that dont have time or are lazy either way its a cheat for those that cant or wont invest time. I have 2 kids, wife and a house, yet i have great time management skills and can still invest time into games, even though im 35 yo.

    So on that basis lets call RMT what they are: Blight in gaming and Money making exercise for companies, which in turn benefits the more lazy gamer and those that dont have time to play games, who shouldnt be playing in the first place,

    Secondly WTF give them quality of life its a friggen game not a terminal illness perspective much ffs, credability gone after this staement.

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  • Loke666Loke666 MalmöMember Posts: 19,281 Rare

    Originally posted by Malevil
    You live in dream world. Now account hacking will have for ppl real money impact. Now playing AH by gold faming companies will have real money impact. But yeah I can see a lot of naive kiddies drawn to Diablo 3 by vision they will make money by playing game ...

    Agreed, even if the same thing can be said for most F2P games as well.

    Still, as a fan of the first game I just don't see the point of all this. The first game were perfect to lan with a few friends but it was not really about gear but about killing stuff and having fun.

    I find it somewhat worrysome that games becomes more and more about owning stuff and less and less about actual player skills. Maybe it is because I am getting old and remember the old C-64 and Amiga games but I don't see how more and more items will make a game more fun or challenging.

    No, I think I will stay away from D3.

  • observerobserver Member Posts: 3,599 Rare

    Just when i thought D3 was going to pull me away from MMOs... this happens. I won't be buying it because of this now.

  • servedoggservedogg Bellevue, WAMember Posts: 105

    Call them greedy if you want, but this decision is downright smart beyond belief.  What are Blizzards options?

    1.  Allow RMT trade to continue as is.  This means illegal foreign companies are taking all of the players hard earned money and none of the money is reinvested into the game.  Illegal sites are also bastions for phishing and scams will continue to exist.  Yep, this option sucks.

    2.  Blizzard regulates the RMT.  This means that the profits go to Blizzard who can then reinvest the money on further development and expansions for D3, while at the same time reducing the risk of ignorant players getting scammed by illegal websites.  Wow, that sounds pretty awesome.   

    RMT is here to stay, so it was the prudent move to make it work for them rather than wasting money in a futile attempt to prevent it.

  • KothosesKothoses GalwayMember Posts: 843 Uncommon

    There are both good and bad sides to this, if its truley just limited to Diablo and done as a service with heavy limitations its not so bad.

     

    But wait and see what happens if it goes public, I discussed the potential benifits and pitfalls in my video blog, linked in signature if you want to take an indepth look check it out and also there is a linked blog here for the mmo aspects to look at.

    Promoting thought a new Gaming video blog http://www.youtube.com/user/quinnthalas discussing games, gamers and the internet with gameplay footage as background.

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