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  • XciserXciser lawrenceville, GAPosts: 102Member

    Originally posted by keithian

    There are dozens of repeat threads here regarding how unoriginal SWTOR, how it will fail like game X, how it is WOW with lightsabers, etc. However.....

    1) The Preorder process was a HUGE success for EA, selling out on multiple sites in just a few hours. I cannot EVER remember having to fight so hard just to get my preorder in except when I purchased my 4 ipad 2s for my family at 1:00am a few months back...that was worse.

    2) I have never seen the volume of posts on a official forums move so fast other than some peaks with WOW. You post a thread and in less than a minute its down to the bottom of the first page. A thread here with 10 pages is like a thread there with 50 pages in a shorter period of time.

    3) The lines at what I consider to be boring events events always seem to be huge or crammed, not exactly a sign that people arn't interested.

    4) People here posting all these negative threads are forgetting how their opinion is about .05% or less of the population when compared against those people who will actually try the game out and don't follow these forums.

    5) Just about all my gaming friends in my facebook, from previous guilds, etc are going to try this game. Most of them will stay as subs even if it was just wow with lightsabers because that is what they like. Regardless, those following the game that don't have ulterior motives know this game is so much more than wow with lightsabers even if at first glance it plays like it.

    6) With the logic here, any game that borrows and enhances any previous game will fail and any game with what some consider 'innovation' are going to succeed. Heard that before with previous released games that underachieved.

    7) For some reason the posters here look at an outdated game play build months from release and draw conclusions when they haven't tried it...which contradicts those dozens and dozens of impressions that many fans here have posted with the positive impression that those who PLAY the game seem to have. The difference is that when fans post these impressions, they organize them into one thread, often becoming stickies. For some reason this site likes when a new thread is started with these negative generalizations. That creates that negative perception those visiting from other sites far too often see.

    Now I don't know if this game will succeed, maybe it will fail, but I believe based on their cautious approach of not releasing info until everything is worked out  and ensuring that we will see one of the most polished offerings at release (based on what is within scope) is a good sign of things to come. Also, I strongly believe that all this ridiculous negativity is a sign of good things to come for this game. I'll post here next year if it fails how I was wrong, will you???

    this is an mmorpg site... I speak for the trees, for the trees have no tongues. 

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  • DistopiaDistopia Baltimore, MDPosts: 16,899Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by Vhaln

    Lot of it has to do with experience.  What we've personally experienced, and what we've learned from it.  In terms of SWTOR, it will have to go against a lot of that to succeed.  It's possible, sure.  Maybe there's even evidence to suggest it's likely.  Still, some people are going to stick to what they've seen, MMO after MMO.. after MMO...

     

    Yes, but many have a very warped sense of what has happened over the years with MMO's. Almost a revisonist view if anything. Like the claim the sandbox is the answer to the future, without considering it was the past and it didn't catch on. Then they view every game no matter what as an exact replica of  WOW. Whatever it is they tell themselves to justify this view, be it rose tinted glasses of the past, revisionist history, it doesn't matter, it is their own reality.

    For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson

    It is a sign of a defeated man, to attack at ones character in the face of logic and reason- Me

  • eye_meye_m Notta Chance, ABPosts: 3,132Member Uncommon

    People can't help but feel that there experience is a fair reason to share their own judgement, irregardless of how bias it may seem to others. Thats just human nature. When it comes down to wanting something new in a game, I am right on board with the all the people screaming for innovation. If you play solitaire for so long that you're getting bored with it, buying a different deck of cards to play the same thing is pointless. I want a new game that breaks the mold. I don't think I'm asking for too much. That doesn't mean that SWTOR is a bad game or doomed for failure, it's just looking like it may not be the game for me.

     

    Haters just gotta hate.

    All of my posts are either intelligent, thought provoking, funny, satirical, sarcastic or intentionally disrespectful. Take your pick.

    I get banned in the forums for games I love, so lets see if I do better in the forums for games I hate.

    I enjoy the serenity of not caring what your opinion is.

  • fcazaresfcazares Norman, OKPosts: 190Member

    Just recently mentioned in the EA investors conference call is that this title has sold more pre-release copies than any other game in EA history. Considering the monolithic titles the company owns that is considerable news. They mentioned they are completely relaxed about the numbers at launch and sustainable interest in the title now that the interest seen via the pre-order purchases in visible. Completely relaxed suggesting an easy expectation of multiple milions of units sold and confirmation that the capacity to meet that expectation is there. 

  • HerodesHerodes DannenbergPosts: 1,494Member

    Is the problem this site or is it the fansites of MMOs?

    It seems like people first visit fanforums, and tell each other how awesome game A is going to be, because the devs have said so to market their game.
    Then they come to a discussion board where they meet people with different views and experiences. Of course then if someone says "Game A is gonna be so awesome" people will ask "but what is with this and that? How about this?"
    Then some people seem to be disappointed others don´t share their views, call people on this site ´Trolls´ and go back to their fansites, where they hear again, what they want to hear.

    It also is/was like this with GW2, Aion, FF14,... the ToR-fansite seems to make their marketing job best so far.


  • FratmanFratman Bumpkinville, WYPosts: 344Member

    No one is denying there is a ton of hype for ToR. However, people are skeptical about it's staying power.

    So far we know next to nothing about the endgame features. And the little we do know indicates it's just your basic instanced raids and battlegrounds that we've all done in other mmos.

    There is no reason to believe ToR will be a success after the initial excitement dies down. It could be a big hit and hold on to a huge player base, but I don't see why that would be likely. It's offering nothing new outside of story, and there are a lot of new games coming down the pipe that will make aspects of ToR look really dated and boring.  The Star Wars name will only get Bioware so far.

  • keithiankeithian Los Angeles, CAPosts: 3,042Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by Loke666

    Well, OP do have a point but I kinda like my own reality... Maybe it is just the rather large Mohito I am drinking while writing this whos speaking of course....

    Yeah, we have no real clue if TOR will fail and being somewhat unoriginal is probably an advantage for most people. Most people here are on the other habd pretty hardcore MMO players and I have a feeling TOR will just like Wow be more popular with the average player than the MMO fans.

    Wow is not that popular on this site either.

    Lokes Mohito that he learned to make when he was drunk in Havannah:

    Put some cane sugar in the bottle of the class, add a drop of rhum (Havannah club 3 anos is best) and add a few mint leaves. Crush the mint leaves. Add a large amount of Rhum and some pressed lemon (not lime, the bartender at the place that invented it said it was a nono and it taste better with lemon). stir it and then fill up with carbonated water, add a straw and some ice.

    You are welcome, this stuff is gold. :)

    Very true...another reason why I think it will succeed lol.

    There Is Always Hope!

  • keithiankeithian Los Angeles, CAPosts: 3,042Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by fcazares

    Just recently mentioned in the EA investors conference call is that this title has sold more pre-release copies than any other game in EA history. Considering the monolithic titles the company owns that is considerable news. They mentioned they are completely relaxed about the numbers at launch and sustainable interest in the title now that the interest seen via the pre-order purchases in visible. Completely relaxed suggesting an easy expectation of multiple milions of units sold and confirmation that the capacity to meet that expectation is there. 

    EXCELLENT NEWS, thanks :-). Just more validation of my original post...thanks :-)

    There Is Always Hope!

  • FratmanFratman Bumpkinville, WYPosts: 344Member

    Originally posted by keithian

    Originally posted by Loke666

    Well, OP do have a point but I kinda like my own reality... Maybe it is just the rather large Mohito I am drinking while writing this whos speaking of course....

    Yeah, we have no real clue if TOR will fail and being somewhat unoriginal is probably an advantage for most people. Most people here are on the other habd pretty hardcore MMO players and I have a feeling TOR will just like Wow be more popular with the average player than the MMO fans.

    Wow is not that popular on this site either.

    Lokes Mohito that he learned to make when he was drunk in Havannah:

    Put some cane sugar in the bottle of the class, add a drop of rhum (Havannah club 3 anos is best) and add a few mint leaves. Crush the mint leaves. Add a large amount of Rhum and some pressed lemon (not lime, the bartender at the place that invented it said it was a nono and it taste better with lemon). stir it and then fill up with carbonated water, add a straw and some ice.

    You are welcome, this stuff is gold. :)

    Very true...another reason why I think it will succeed lol.

     lol. Don't get too excited. Warhammer broke EA's preorder record when it went on sale too.

  • Hendo0069Hendo0069 v, NVPosts: 213Member

    Originally posted by Fratman

    No one is denying there is a ton of hype for ToR. However, people are skeptical about it's staying power.

    So far we know next to nothing about the endgame features. And the little we do know indicates it's just your basic instanced raids and battlegrounds that we've all done in other mmos.

    There is no reason to believe ToR will be a success after the initial excitement dies down. It could be a big hit and hold on to a huge player base, but I don't see why that would be likely. It's offering nothing new outside of story, and there are a lot of new games coming down the pipe that will make aspects of ToR look really dated and boring.  The Star Wars name will only get Bioware so far.

    What we know so far about endgame is as follows: Flashpoints, Operations, Warzones, A huge part of a planet dedicated to open world pvp, and a whole planet devoted to solo end game content. I think that's pretty good for a newly launched MMO.

  • HerodesHerodes DannenbergPosts: 1,494Member


    Originally posted by Hendo0069

    Originally posted by Fratman
    No one is denying there is a ton of hype for ToR. However, people are skeptical about it's staying power.
    So far we know next to nothing about the endgame features. And the little we do know indicates it's just your basic instanced raids and battlegrounds that we've all done in other mmos.
    There is no reason to believe ToR will be a success after the initial excitement dies down. It could be a big hit and hold on to a huge player base, but I don't see why that would be likely. It's offering nothing new outside of story, and there are a lot of new games coming down the pipe that will make aspects of ToR look really dated and boring.  The Star Wars name will only get Bioware so far.
    What we know so far about endgame is as follows: Flashpoints, Operations, Warzones, A huge part of a planet dedicated to open world pvp, and a whole planet devoted to solo end game content. I think that's pretty good for a newly launched MMO.

    Is "Dungeons, Raids, Battlegrounds and one zone for PvE endgame" the correct translation? I am not very familar with the ToR wording yet. ;)
  • Hendo0069Hendo0069 v, NVPosts: 213Member

    Originally posted by Herodes

     




    Originally posted by Hendo0069





    Originally posted by Fratman

    No one is denying there is a ton of hype for ToR. However, people are skeptical about it's staying power.

    So far we know next to nothing about the endgame features. And the little we do know indicates it's just your basic instanced raids and battlegrounds that we've all done in other mmos.

    There is no reason to believe ToR will be a success after the initial excitement dies down. It could be a big hit and hold on to a huge player base, but I don't see why that would be likely. It's offering nothing new outside of story, and there are a lot of new games coming down the pipe that will make aspects of ToR look really dated and boring.  The Star Wars name will only get Bioware so far.






    What we know so far about endgame is as follows: Flashpoints, Operations, Warzones, A huge part of a planet dedicated to open world pvp, and a whole planet devoted to solo end game content. I think that's pretty good for a newly launched MMO.




    Is "Dungeons, Raids, Battlegrounds and one zone for PvE endgame" the correct translation? I am not very familar with the ToR wording yet. ;)

    "one zone" is not accurate. Each planet has multiple zones or are the size of multiple WoW zones and to be clear end game means post max level (50). I am not exactly sure what you means by "correct translation". Those are exact quotes from the developers at SDCC or are you just trying to be funny?

    Either way I'm just relaying the facts, so you can twist them however you wish.

  • keithiankeithian Los Angeles, CAPosts: 3,042Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by Fratman

    Originally posted by keithian


    Originally posted by Loke666

    Well, OP do have a point but I kinda like my own reality... Maybe it is just the rather large Mohito I am drinking while writing this whos speaking of course....

    Yeah, we have no real clue if TOR will fail and being somewhat unoriginal is probably an advantage for most people. Most people here are on the other habd pretty hardcore MMO players and I have a feeling TOR will just like Wow be more popular with the average player than the MMO fans.

    Wow is not that popular on this site either.

    Lokes Mohito that he learned to make when he was drunk in Havannah:

    Put some cane sugar in the bottle of the class, add a drop of rhum (Havannah club 3 anos is best) and add a few mint leaves. Crush the mint leaves. Add a large amount of Rhum and some pressed lemon (not lime, the bartender at the place that invented it said it was a nono and it taste better with lemon). stir it and then fill up with carbonated water, add a straw and some ice.

    You are welcome, this stuff is gold. :)

    Very true...another reason why I think it will succeed lol.

     lol. Don't get too excited. Warhammer broke EA's preorder record when it went on sale too.

    True, but Warhammer was a game focused on PVP only (nobody I knew played the PVE because it was HORRIBLE except to get some coins) and SWTOR will focus on both,Warhammer did not meet what it had promised upon release (several things got nerfed or were left out), was completely population dependent taking a risk with the innovative public quests which after 3 months ended up to be failures, realm versus realm was avoided because everyone was hanging out in scenarios, the game had balancing issues and everyone cried about BrightWizards for the first 2 months , end game content failed and kept completely crashing the servers, and it did not have the same player base already established as those who love Star Wars, love Sci Fi, loved KOTOR, or love Bioware games. This has a lot more going for it, most above all what appears to be polish so many months prior to release and not making empty promises like "full fledged space exploration" or anything like that.

    There Is Always Hope!

  • DistopiaDistopia Baltimore, MDPosts: 16,899Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by Herodes





    Is "Dungeons, Raids, Battlegrounds and one zone for PvE endgame" the correct translation? I am not very familar with the ToR wording yet. ;)

     

    Well the correct translation would be far more than most MMO's have launched with, Eight completely different leveling experiences from 1-50. Raiding at launch,  territories for instanced and world PVP. A whole world dedicated to post cap play. Not to mention 17 planets, as well as lesser content areas (whatever that means). There's plenty to keep me busy for quite some time right there. Did I mention companions and all they entail?

    For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson

    It is a sign of a defeated man, to attack at ones character in the face of logic and reason- Me

  • jpnzjpnz SydneyPosts: 3,529Member

    It is fairly common knowledge that 'haters' are more vocal than those who 'like' a particular product.

    Whether it is a video game or a soap product.

    Here's an article by an actual marketing guy.

    http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/columns/first-personmarketer/8081-Trolls-Haters-and-Flame-War-Generals-Thank-You

    Gdemami -
    Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.

  • KuinnKuinn MestaPosts: 2,093Member

    Originally posted by keithian

    There are dozens of repeat threads here regarding how unoriginal SWTOR, how it will fail like game X, how it is WOW with lightsabers, etc. However.....

     

    Most of the posts in this forum are "Hater Wars"-posts so they have nothing to do with reality. Haters throwing half assed false comments about games about to be released in repeating cycle untill a game is launched. Sometimes it sucks you in and sometimes you just facepalm :) Not dooming the site entirely, there's sometimes a post that is constructive, informative and usefull.

  • NifaNifa Oklahoma City, OKPosts: 324Member

    Originally posted by Loke666

    Originally posted by kishe

    I remember being flamed for saying Rift will suck, then at launch one million people bought it, two months later 10-20 thousand still play (at best)

    People are still drinking the Bioware koolaid even if Bioware is nothing more than brand name for an EA branch and we know how EA treats its games.

    Rift would already be cancelled if it had those numbers. But of course a link of actual numbers would help us...

    And comparing Trion with Bioware is really wrong, at least since Van Canegheden quit Trion 3 years ago, he is a genius (He invented "Heroes of might and magic" to mention one of his over 100 games). Bioware have a lot more fans than *Trion, most people here had never even heard of them before Rift while everyone knew Bioware before TOR.

    What Loke said.

    Obviously, kishe wasn't paying attention to the DA2 debacle. Pretty sure BioWare let EA push that one so soon so they could get those 50+ pages of complaints and multiple horrid reviews specifically so that they'd be able to tell EA ("destroyers of worlds and companies great and small") to get stuffed if they tried the same thing with SW:TOR... or any other BioWare games.

    "BioWare kool-aid." I'm no real EA fan, either, but... did John Riccitiello steal your lunch money?

    Firebrand Art

    "You are obviously confusing a mature rating with actual maturity." -Asherman

    Maybe MMO is not your genre, go play Modern Warfare...or something you can be all twitchy...and rank up all night. This is seriously getting tired. -Ranyr

  • MaraGossepMaraGossep you dont need that info tbh !Posts: 74Member

    Originally posted by aesperus

    Originally posted by bigsmiff

    If you look on these forums, you will see that it is mostly GW2 fanbois flaming SW:ToR fanbois...and vice vera. I have never seen so much nerd rage between two games. I hope they are both successful.

    Sadly, it's been like this ever since WoW was released. If anything it's probably worse now than it was then. Whatever the most hyped 2 games are, there's always a neverending flamewar between the two. The odd thing is it always comes down to 2 games, even if there are more than 2 being released that year.

    Nothing odd about that. We live in an age of duality, not singularity or multiplexity (if thats a word).

    You will see it everywhere. It is almost always two parties competing.

  • MMO.MaverickMMO.Maverick WonderlandPosts: 7,619Member

    Originally posted by Kabaal

     But as is the case on any forum those with negative views tend to be the most vocal and also tend to keep on repeating their nonsense.

     Bear in mind that a project this huge was bound to spark debate.

    Good point.

    Plus mmorpg.com is home to more MMO homeless, drifters and burnt out and embittered MMO vets than other sites, so you'll see more complaints coming from them, for the obvious reason that the current MMO market isn't catering to their needs else they would still be playing or enjoying all kinds of MMO's.

    The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's

    The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
    Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."

  • IcewhiteIcewhite Elmhurst, ILPosts: 6,403Member

    Originally posted by jpnz

    It is fairly common knowledge that 'haters' are more vocal than those who 'like' a particular product.

    Whether it is a video game or a soap product.

    Here's an article by an actual marketing guy.

    http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/columns/first-personmarketer/8081-Trolls-Haters-and-Flame-War-Generals-Thank-You

     

    Well, at least he confirms that what we've long suspected isn't just paranoia.

    At least some of the people we chatter with on message boards everywhere are actually corporate shills.

    Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.

  • ktanner3ktanner3 lakeland, FLPosts: 4,074Member
    Some are either lost in their own reality or badly in need of some medication. No sane person can be THIS obsessed over video games.

    Currently Playing: Star Wars The Old Republic

  • keithiankeithian Los Angeles, CAPosts: 3,042Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by jpnz

    It is fairly common knowledge that 'haters' are more vocal than those who 'like' a particular product.

    Whether it is a video game or a soap product.

    Here's an article by an actual marketing guy.

    http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/columns/first-personmarketer/8081-Trolls-Haters-and-Flame-War-Generals-Thank-You

    lol I enjoyed that article. My favorite part was this one "The Anarchists:

    These are the ones who want to destroy and they toss thermal detonators into the conversation just to watch it burn. They're armed with arguments that fixate on a particular aspect of the marketing and monosyllabically bludgeon it to a pulp. They tend to aggressively follow the thread to see the reactions they provoke, then they drop a few more. They cause a lot of collateral damage in the community simply for "the lulz"."

    That pretty much makes up most of the community in the SWTOR forums lol. I wonder if that will fit in my signature :-)

    There Is Always Hope!

  • jpnzjpnz SydneyPosts: 3,529Member

    Originally posted by Icewhite

    Originally posted by jpnz

    It is fairly common knowledge that 'haters' are more vocal than those who 'like' a particular product.

    Whether it is a video game or a soap product.

    Here's an article by an actual marketing guy.

    http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/columns/first-personmarketer/8081-Trolls-Haters-and-Flame-War-Generals-Thank-You

     

    Well, at least he confirms that what we've long suspected isn't just paranoia.

    At least some of the people we chatter with on message boards everywhere are actually corporate shills.

     

    Yeah, but it goes both ways though. However, no one can force you to spend money so the responsibility of how one does is ultimately up to personal responsibility.

    Gdemami -
    Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.

  • GMan3GMan3 Ewa Beach, HIPosts: 2,127Member

    Originally posted by jpnz

    Originally posted by Icewhite


    Originally posted by jpnz

    It is fairly common knowledge that 'haters' are more vocal than those who 'like' a particular product.

    Whether it is a video game or a soap product.

    Here's an article by an actual marketing guy.

    http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/columns/first-personmarketer/8081-Trolls-Haters-and-Flame-War-Generals-Thank-You

     Well, at least he confirms that what we've long suspected isn't just paranoia.

    At least some of the people we chatter with on message boards everywhere are actually corporate shills.

     Yeah, but it goes both ways though. However, no one can force you to spend money so the responsibility of how one does is ultimately up to personal responsibility.

         If you are convinced that everyone is out to get you and it ends up being true . . . is it still paranoia?  Short answer is YES!  At least then it is justified paranoia.

    "If half of what you tell me is a lie, how can I believe any of it?"

  • PhilssPhilss montreal, QCPosts: 433Member

    5) Just about all my gaming friends in my facebook, from previous guilds, etc are going to try this game. Most of them will stay as subs even if it was just wow with lightsabers because that is what they like. Regardless, those following the game that don't have ulterior motives know this game is so much more than wow with lightsabers even if at first glance it plays like it.

    Rofl ya right .

     

    PPl said that about AoC-WAR-Aion-Rift

    All these 4 game also lots of CE pre order etc etc etc .

    OP post is pretty worthless no one know how tthis game will be until its released .

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