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  • waynejr2waynejr2 West Toluca Lake, CAPosts: 4,481Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by MMO.Maverick

    Originally posted by Daffid011

    I would bet that if you asked former SOE subscribers about their experiences the vast majority of them would relay to you negative experiences with SOE that ended up being the cause for their departure.  Few if any would admit to having confidence in the abilities of the company to do most things to a decent level of quality.  EQ2flames is filled with tons of examples and that is the unmoderated community forums for their flagship game.

     One last thing, SWG was not stable population wise for the first 2 years.  SWG was hemmorahging players 6 months in and a large cause for the holocron grind and the other knee jerk massive game changes.  While many games can be labeled as "released early", SWG took that to an entirely different level. 

    Well, I can't speak for everyone, but I have no hard feelings regarding SOE. Flame sites mean little to me, you'll have hordes of people flame as good as all MMO's, that doesn't mean that that vocal group is representative for the whole playerbase. Just look at how WoW has been flamed and trashed on this site and put that next to the reality of 10-12 million WoW gamers during that time.

    As for SWG's population, I'll just look at this chart, where you see the number of subs hovering around the 250-300k for 1-1.5 year:

    I'll still take it with a grain of salt, but it shows several peaks of 300k in that time with no drops below 250k until EQ2 and WoW arrived. If figures had dropped far lower in that time, then I'm sure there have been (semi) official statements that said otherwise than the chart shows. If you have those source links, feel free to share.

    Meh, this offtopic discussion keeps continuing and I'm guilty of continuing it as well. I'm going to stop right here, if you want to continue, feel free to PM me with the information you have or other arguments, as I said to others, I usually reply on them as well.

     The guy who ran that sight made up numbers. Xfire is a better site than that.

  • erictlewiserictlewis Cottondale, ALPosts: 3,026Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by Asergaottie

    I can tell you right now being in the hospitality industry in Las Vegas in a major strip hotel not to far from fan faire, that if there was a protest of 5k in a casino here, it wouldnt last long. The hotel would not allow it inside, it would be a major security risk with all the money floating around.

    I was at fan faire for about two hours and I can tell you that there isn't 5k people here right now. It's just not gonna happen, its all rumor.

     I was at Fan Fair  in Atlanta in 2006 when they were having the swg summit talks between the dev's and the players.  We had one person who actually tried to hit Helios at that time the lead dev working on the project.  I can tell you that security was in place, and this person was quickly removed.   The rest of the event even though folks were allowed to voice their feelings about the nge, nobody else tried that. After watching the person taken out buy to rather large thugs.

    Now mind you this was only one year after the NGE got us,  there were only about 340 folks in that meeting including security, 8 devs, and yes even smedley who I personally gave a piece of my mind too.

    So when I hear 5 k folks to protest,  I laugh at that.  Back in 2006 when all this stuff had just went bad and folks were still steaming mad we could not even manage 500 folks in Atlanta to show up.

    I would bet they would be hard pressed to get 5k attendance for the entire event.

  • erictlewiserictlewis Cottondale, ALPosts: 3,026Member Uncommon

    This transcript from last nights fanfair via eq2wire.com

    Linda “Brasse” Carlson coming to the stage. Dressed as a dwarf of course, but with a light saber. :)

    Talking about Star Wars Galaxies.

    > It breaks the heart of everyone that this world has to come to an end. It was felt throughout the company when the announcement was made. We the admiration and feeling we have for the players is strong. 2003-2011 wasn’t long enough for me, but it is a long time for an MMO.

    Showing a video made by the SWG developers.

    EQ2Wire Exclusive: It is unfortunate that LucasArts wanted to terminate the contract not only on Star Wars Galaxies but SWG The Card Game to avoid any confusion with SW:TOR by BioWare. And this is not supposition, it’s confirmed by 2 sources in the industry. SOE didn’t want to end the game.

    > I hope that you will join us in the last few months of Star Wars Galaxies. We have many events planned. Be with us and share the dream for the rest of the year.

    Talking about various events back in the Grand Ballroom including various games, Karaoke, etc. Live Podcast.

    GOOD NIGHT EVERYONE

  • superniceguysuperniceguy AnchorheadPosts: 2,278Member Uncommon

    See?

    It was LA that decided to close it, not SOE

    If LA not offering contract, how can SOE buy? I would buy a BRAND NEW (only just made this year) Spectrum 48K from the shops for more money than top end PC, but they are not being made, no shops are selling them, so can not

    It was also closed to prevent confusion from the 2 MMOs, and not because SWG was dead. It was far from it. Stupid reason for closing SWG

    LA are the ones behind TOR too, and watch that game go to the dogs as well.

    If TOR is to be safe from these crappy decissions, then SWG needs to be saved, to stop them from doing such things, or least makes them think twice about doing such things

  • erictlewiserictlewis Cottondale, ALPosts: 3,026Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by superniceguy

    See?

    It was LA that decided to close it, not SOE

    If LA not offering contract, how can SOE buy? I would buy a BRAND NEW (only just made this year) Spectrum 48K from the shops for more money than top end PC, but they are not being made, no shops are selling them, so can not

    It was also closed to prevent confusion from the 2 MMOs, and not because SWG was dead. It was far from it. Stupid reason for closing SWG

    LA are the ones behind TOR too, and watch that game go to the dogs as well.

    If TOR is to be safe from these crappy decissions, then SWG needs to be saved, to stop them from doing such things, or least makes them think twice about doing such things

     Smedley statements the other day saying it was a mutual decision did not help things.  However now we have these statements from the Lady in charge of SWG.  I will trust that,  along with the info from Feldon he never writes stuff without doing his footwork, and looking into things.  He is one of the few fan sites that I actually pay attention too, you can trust his credibility.  

    Now that we know that LA is behind it there is no way they can save swg now, as its way out of  SOE's hands.  

    The only person who ever beet Lucas in a court case was hist first wife.  That was why he waited almost 20 years before doing the the next 3 star wars movies as he wanted to make sure she could not get 1/2 the profit like she did from the first three films.

  • superniceguysuperniceguy AnchorheadPosts: 2,278Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by erictlewis

    Originally posted by superniceguy

    See?

    It was LA that decided to close it, not SOE

    If LA not offering contract, how can SOE buy? I would buy a BRAND NEW (only just made this year) Spectrum 48K from the shops for more money than top end PC, but they are not being made, no shops are selling them, so can not

    It was also closed to prevent confusion from the 2 MMOs, and not because SWG was dead. It was far from it. Stupid reason for closing SWG

    LA are the ones behind TOR too, and watch that game go to the dogs as well.

    If TOR is to be safe from these crappy decissions, then SWG needs to be saved, to stop them from doing such things, or least makes them think twice about doing such things

     Smedley statements the other day saying it was a mutual decision did not help things.  However now we have these statements from the Lady in charge of SWG.  I will trust that,  along with the info from Feldon he never writes stuff without doing his footwork, and looking into things.  He is one of the few fan sites that I actually pay attention too, you can trust his credibility.  

    Now that we know that LA is behind it there is no way they can save swg now, as its way out of  SOE's hands.  

    The only person who ever beet Lucas in a court case was hist first wife.  That was why he waited almost 20 years before doing the the next 3 star wars movies as he wanted to make sure she could not get 1/2 the profit like she did from the first three films.

    The only people who will get to change LAs mind are LA.

    If they can see that TOR will be better off by keeping SWG active, then they will change their minds. The trick is, trying to get them to see that.

  • Daffid011Daffid011 Posts: 7,834Member Uncommon

    Is that quote from Brasse?  It doesn't look to be part of what she said, but some reference to 2 unnamed "sources".

    I don't think anyone doubts that Lucas Arts wasn't interested in continuing SWG, but that doesn't mean SOE wasn't interested either.  SWG is a huge stain on their reputation and no way they would want to pay to renew this license.

    Rest assured that there is language in the contract somewhere that would allow SOE to renew if they wanted to, but it would require them to have met their obligations or some large figure.

     

    Either way, both companies wanted out of this.   That is why it was a mutual agreement.

  • superniceguysuperniceguy AnchorheadPosts: 2,278Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by Daffid011

    Is that quote from Brasse?  It doesn't look to be part of what she said, but some reference to 2 unnamed "sources".

    I don't think anyone doubts that Lucas Arts wasn't interested in continuing SWG, but that doesn't mean SOE wasn't interested either.  SWG is a huge stain on their reputation and no way they would want to pay to renew this license.

    Rest assured that there is language in the contract somewhere that would allow SOE to renew if they wanted to, but it would require them to have met their obligations or some large figure.

     

    Either way, both companies wanted out of this.   That is why it was a mutual agreement.

    You don't give up do you?

    SWG was a stain on their reputation back in 2005, but not any more. SWG was SOEs #1 MMO game of 2010 according to a poll generated from this site.

  • Daffid011Daffid011 Posts: 7,834Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by superniceguy

    You don't give up do you?

    SWG was a stain on their reputation back in 2005, but not any more. SWG was SOEs #1 MMO game of 2010 according to a poll generated from this site.

    A poll from this website isn't really the best source of information to show SWG popularity.

    No offense to mmorpg.com, but this website attracts players who are looking for a new mmo.  People who are really happy with their current games don't really come around here so much.

     

    That is sort of grasping at straws isn't it?

  • bepolitebepolite istanbulPosts: 53Member

    id rather sign a 'reanimate  ultima online 2  development' petition then one  to save  SWG , wich was hand on heart a mess from day one.

    Such petitions for  sinking or sunken ships have no value.

     with a community size such as in SWG  the petition is doomed to fail...im sorry

  • superniceguysuperniceguy AnchorheadPosts: 2,278Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by bepolite

    id rather sign a 'reanimate  ultima online 2  development' petition then one  to save  SWG , wich was hand on heart a mess from day one.

    Such petitions for  sinking or sunken ships have no value.

     with a community size such as in SWG  the petition is doomed to fail...im sorry

    The point is SWG is not a sinking or sunk ship.

    LA are only closing this to get SWG out of the way of SWTOR, to prevent people being confused and subbing to SWG instead, and has nothing to do with population. If LA decide to to a lego Star Wars MMO if SWTOR fails, then SWTOR will close as well, even if it too has loads of players, or they may try and change it like they did with SWG, and do a NGE on it.

    SWG needs saving to save TOR and all other future MMOs from crappy decisions

  • Daffid011Daffid011 Posts: 7,834Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by superniceguy

    SWG needs saving to save TOR and all other future MMOs from crappy decisions

    The irony of this statement is amazing.

    SWG, a game that has suffered from from day 1 from some of the worst decision making in mmo history, needs to be saved. o that SWTOR can be saved from crappy decisions?

    In what possible way does any of that make sense?

     

     

    I do agree with a plea to get EA to revive some sort of UO2 project.  One can only hope.

  • SharkypalSharkypal SomewherePosts: 1,137Member

    Originally posted by superniceguy

    Originally posted by bepolite

    id rather sign a 'reanimate  ultima online 2  development' petition then one  to save  SWG , wich was hand on heart a mess from day one.

    Such petitions for  sinking or sunken ships have no value.

     with a community size such as in SWG  the petition is doomed to fail...im sorry

    The point is SWG is not a sinking or sunk ship.

    LA are only closing this to get SWG out of the way of SWTOR, to prevent people being confused and subbing to SWG instead, and has nothing to do with population. If LA decide to to a lego Star Wars MMO if SWTOR fails, then SWTOR will close as well, even if it too has loads of players, or they may try and change it like they did with SWG, and do a NGE on it.

    SWG needs saving to save TOR and all other future MMOs from crappy decisions

    Sorry bud, SWG is dead as of December 15th and nothing will change that.

    SWG certainly had some life left in it but LA/EA quite obvioulsy do not want it doing anything to detract from TOR's release and given SWG's checkered past, I think they decided that 'out of sight, out of mind' was the best policy.

  • superniceguysuperniceguy AnchorheadPosts: 2,278Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by Daffid011

    Originally posted by superniceguy



    SWG needs saving to save TOR and all other future MMOs from crappy decisions

    The irony of this statement is amazing.

    SWG, a game that has suffered from from day 1 from some of the worst decision making in mmo history, needs to be saved. o that SWTOR can be saved from crappy decisions?

    In what possible way does any of that make sense?

     

     

    I do agree with a plea to get EA to revive some sort of UO2 project.  One can only hope.

    What makes no sense is to close a MMO that is still populated so that people do not get confused and sub to the wrong game

    This proves that LA do not care for their customers, and they are rthe ones who made the CU and NGE happen, and now they wreck thousands of players game time, who are still having fun on full and locked servers.

    If LA get away with this then TOR too will suffer from day 1 of more worst decision making.

    SWG went to crap in 2005, but over the last 6 years has come along to way to awesome, and still getting better to this day, and the only reason that has been was becauuse LA left it alone for SOE to deal with, as LA went off to deal with TOR

    Now LA are back, and so are the worst decisions

  • superniceguysuperniceguy AnchorheadPosts: 2,278Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by Sharkypal

    Originally posted by superniceguy


    Originally posted by bepolite

    id rather sign a 'reanimate  ultima online 2  development' petition then one  to save  SWG , wich was hand on heart a mess from day one.

    Such petitions for  sinking or sunken ships have no value.

     with a community size such as in SWG  the petition is doomed to fail...im sorry

    The point is SWG is not a sinking or sunk ship.

    LA are only closing this to get SWG out of the way of SWTOR, to prevent people being confused and subbing to SWG instead, and has nothing to do with population. If LA decide to to a lego Star Wars MMO if SWTOR fails, then SWTOR will close as well, even if it too has loads of players, or they may try and change it like they did with SWG, and do a NGE on it.

    SWG needs saving to save TOR and all other future MMOs from crappy decisions

    Sorry bud, SWG is dead as of December 15th and nothing will change that.

    SWG certainly had some life left in it but LA/EA quite obvioulsy do not want it doing anything to detract from TOR's release and given SWG's checkered past, I think they decided that 'out of sight, out of mind' was the best policy.

    It will not be dead of Dec 15th if LA change their mind beforehand

    SWG will never be out of sight , out of mind from this. If it died of natural causes, then it may have done, but with loads of people still playing and enjoying SWG, it never will do

  • SharkypalSharkypal SomewherePosts: 1,137Member

    Originally posted by superniceguy

    Originally posted by Sharkypal


    Originally posted by superniceguy


    Originally posted by bepolite

    id rather sign a 'reanimate  ultima online 2  development' petition then one  to save  SWG , wich was hand on heart a mess from day one.

    Such petitions for  sinking or sunken ships have no value.

     with a community size such as in SWG  the petition is doomed to fail...im sorry

    The point is SWG is not a sinking or sunk ship.

    LA are only closing this to get SWG out of the way of SWTOR, to prevent people being confused and subbing to SWG instead, and has nothing to do with population. If LA decide to to a lego Star Wars MMO if SWTOR fails, then SWTOR will close as well, even if it too has loads of players, or they may try and change it like they did with SWG, and do a NGE on it.

    SWG needs saving to save TOR and all other future MMOs from crappy decisions

    Sorry bud, SWG is dead as of December 15th and nothing will change that.

    SWG certainly had some life left in it but LA/EA quite obvioulsy do not want it doing anything to detract from TOR's release and given SWG's checkered past, I think they decided that 'out of sight, out of mind' was the best policy.

    It will not be dead of Dec 15th if LA change their mind beforehand

    SWG will never be out of sight , out of mind from this. If it died of natural causes, then it may have done, but with loads of people still playing and enjoying SWG, it never will do

    I guarantee you it will be dead on December 15th 2011. It's better to accept that now than hold out false hope because there isn't a snowball's chance in hell of any kind of reprieve.

  • superniceguysuperniceguy AnchorheadPosts: 2,278Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by GreenHell

    Originally posted by Daffid011


    Originally posted by superniceguy



    SWG needs saving to save TOR and all other future MMOs from crappy decisions

    The irony of this statement is amazing.

    SWG, a game that has suffered from from day 1 from some of the worst decision making in mmo history, needs to be saved. o that SWTOR can be saved from crappy decisions?

    In what possible way does any of that make sense?

     

     

    I do agree with a plea to get EA to revive some sort of UO2 project.  One can only hope.

    {mod edit}

     

    OK, now sign the petition, if you have not already

    Cheers :)

  • superniceguysuperniceguy AnchorheadPosts: 2,278Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by Sharkypal

    Originally posted by superniceguy


    Originally posted by Sharkypal


    Originally posted by superniceguy


    Originally posted by bepolite

    id rather sign a 'reanimate  ultima online 2  development' petition then one  to save  SWG , wich was hand on heart a mess from day one.

    Such petitions for  sinking or sunken ships have no value.

     with a community size such as in SWG  the petition is doomed to fail...im sorry

    The point is SWG is not a sinking or sunk ship.

    LA are only closing this to get SWG out of the way of SWTOR, to prevent people being confused and subbing to SWG instead, and has nothing to do with population. If LA decide to to a lego Star Wars MMO if SWTOR fails, then SWTOR will close as well, even if it too has loads of players, or they may try and change it like they did with SWG, and do a NGE on it.

    SWG needs saving to save TOR and all other future MMOs from crappy decisions

    Sorry bud, SWG is dead as of December 15th and nothing will change that.

    SWG certainly had some life left in it but LA/EA quite obvioulsy do not want it doing anything to detract from TOR's release and given SWG's checkered past, I think they decided that 'out of sight, out of mind' was the best policy.

    It will not be dead of Dec 15th if LA change their mind beforehand

    SWG will never be out of sight , out of mind from this. If it died of natural causes, then it may have done, but with loads of people still playing and enjoying SWG, it never will do

    I guarantee you it will be dead on December 15th 2011. It's better to accept that now than hold out false hope because there isn't a snowball's chance in hell of any kind of reprieve.

    You can not guarantee that it will close on Dec 15th.

    Anything can happen in half an hour!

  • GreenHellGreenHell ludlow, MAPosts: 1,322Member Uncommon

    I wish you could see how sad this makes you look. It's like a child crying over his dropped ice cream cone.

  • OzmodanOzmodan Hilliard, OHPosts: 7,193Member Uncommon

    Firstly it is a complete waste of time.  SOE has to pay Lucus a fixed amount every month and the game is not currently not even making enough to cover that.

    Secondly, when has SOE ever listened to their constituancy?  Right, never.

  • OziiusOziius Baltimore, MDPosts: 1,388Member Uncommon

    As others have stated, I think it's glaringly obvious why it's shutting down. No need for two Star Wars games in town. Might as well consolidate all of the fans to one game. Let's face it, if this was SWG pre-NGE, I would sign in a heartbeat; however, it's not. Not worth saving in my opinion. Sorry.

  • SharkypalSharkypal SomewherePosts: 1,137Member

    3458 (current total) signatures is a testament to the fact that SWG has no support (that petition has been up for a few weeks now).

    If that petition had 100,000 signatures or more, then maybe (and that's a big maybe), there would be a reevaluation. I'm not even convinced LA/EA would rethink it if there were that many signatures because as we've seen, even when they make mistakes they are loathe to admit them or do anything to rectify them.

    Oh, and on December 15th, it will close. It's truly sad that you're going to waste your time believing otherwise. I'd get used to the idea ASAP.

  • Daffid011Daffid011 Posts: 7,834Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by superniceguy

    What makes no sense is to close a MMO that is still populated so that people do not get confused and sub to the wrong game

    This proves that LA do not care for their customers, and they are rthe ones who made the CU and NGE happen, and now they wreck thousands of players game time, who are still having fun on full and locked servers.

    If LA get away with this then TOR too will suffer from day 1 of more worst decision making.

    SWG went to crap in 2005, but over the last 6 years has come along to way to awesome, and still getting better to this day, and the only reason that has been was becauuse LA left it alone for SOE to deal with, as LA went off to deal with TOR

    Now LA are back, and so are the worst decisions

    ... because Lucas Arts is also forcing SOE to close down CloneWarsAdventures, so people don't get confused and sub to that game.  Even though they gave SOE the license to make that game after bioware was already working on SWOTR.

    ... because Lucas Arts forced retails to stop selling KOTOR when KOTOR 2 was released, so people didn't buy the old game.

    ... repeat the above for Force Unleashed, Battlefront, Lego series, etc etc etc.

     

    I'm in agreement with you about Lucas Arts not really caring for their customers, but I think the same think applies to SOE and on a larger scale. 

  • superniceguysuperniceguy AnchorheadPosts: 2,278Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by Praetalus

    As others have stated, I think it's glaringly obvious why it's shutting down. No need for two Star Wars games in town. Might as well consolidate all of the fans to one game. Let's face it, if this was SWG pre-NGE, I would sign in a heartbeat; however, it's not. Not worth saving in my opinion. Sorry.

    SWG now is far better than SWG pre-NGE

  • KarahandrasKarahandras Sible HedinghamPosts: 1,676Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by Sharkypal

    3458 (current total) signatures is a testament to the fact that SWG has no support (that petition has been up for a few weeks now).

    If that petition had 100,000 signatures or more, then maybe (and that's a big maybe), there would be a reevaluation. I'm not even convinced LA/EA would rethink it if there were that many signatures because as we've seen, even when they make mistakes they are loathe to admit them or do anything to rectify them.

    Oh, and on December 15th, it will close. It's truly sad that you're going to waste your time believing otherwise. I'd get used to the idea ASAP.

    I wonder how many of those votes are from people that have multiple signups?

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