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Originally posted by Arthineas Originally posted by Torvaldr Turbine has ruined LotRO with their F2P model (one that constantly moves towards selling more and more in game advantages and benefits exclusively in their store). Is Funcom going to be honest about this or are they going to doubletalk through a bunch of marketing speak like Turbine does? My bet is they will ruin their game for the hobbyist gamer and sellout to the insta-grat F2P crowd.
You think Turbine ruined Lotro with their F2P model lol? Wow you are in the minority then. I was a founder with Lotro and have since played it both as a free player and VIP post F2P. Turbine has done a GREAT job with their F2P model. As a matter of fact it is the best implemented of any company. The only thing that comes close is their other game DDO. The game itself has only continued to improve.
You are entitled to your own opinion, but like I said most people would disagree with you. Hell even PC Gamer gave it their mmorpg of the year award and our own MMORPG.com gave it F2P of the year.
I probably am in the minority. I am a founder that has finally cancelled my subscription after 4 years.
The sub no longer buys me a P2P game experience. Turbine sells game advanatages in the store and not only that they sell store exclusive game advantages that are better than what you can earn in game. That's a deal breaker and a game ruiner for me.
I would like to give Funcom the benefit of the doubt, but I'm not doing that for any publisher or developer anymore. They can earn trust, respect and my dollars. I like AoC, but I'm not a fan of hybrid or freemium models. Every F2P or freemium game I've played has ended up leaving a bad taste in my mouth because it ends up costing an idiotic amount of money to play the 'full' game.
I'll keep and eye on Funcom and how they handle this, but I'll be surprised if they don't go for the money grab. Just looking at their points page and costs, they are expensive. I have 600FC points ($5) left over from purchasing a couple character slots a year ago. That buys me pretty much nothing (the 5 potion pack). The only decent thing they offer now is the account wide ports for $30 (ooh, what a bargain).
This is probably a great move for the insta-grat F2P gamer, but not likely as much for a dedicated hobby gamer. I'm gladly paying $10/mo for RIFT and get it all for that price.
Yes you can play Lotro for free through the lonelands which gives you one instance in the Great Borrows which has 3 parts. You get points from playing the game and can then use them for other things in game. And yes it can be played for free. If people can go from 1-80 in AoC in a week then you can play Lotro Free just learn the starting deeds for Bree, Erud Luin and The Shire and you can earn about 900 to 1000 TP on one character if you do this a couple times you can earn alot of the content.
To me I enjoy gaming I dont play to be uber I play to have fun. If a game is not fun to me guess what I move on and play something else till I find one that is. When I find that great game and not sure if in my life time there will be one I hope it has everything I want in an mmo.
Originally posted by erictlewis Originally posted by Golelorn This will probably turn AoC into a major powerhouse. It was only lacking population, imo. I hope EQ2 does this. I'd love more players to fight in the BGs. Only the 30-39 tier has any action.
EQ2 did this a year ago, lol its called eq2 extended the live servers are seperate and there keeping the free to play seperated from that sub model.
No, EQ2 did nothing like what AoC is doing. In some warped, f-ed up way I guess its kinda like it, but in a very fail way.
I think its a good idea to go freemium, but you cant gimp the F2P guys too much. The chat restriction is going to be crazy. Chat is a basic game function, and you shouldnt have to pay to do it. That would be liek having to pay to jump or to turn your character left and right. Whats next, 10 cents everytime you wanna use a hot key?
The goal here should be to lure new players in, not piss them off and scare them away forever. AOC has some good things going for it, even though the game is a failure for an IP with such high brand recognition.
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Great PVE server.
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That's where I moved to a while ago. Have main guys on Wicc and Cimmeria
Ah well .... it's nice to play it again for a week ... maybe 2.
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Awesome, I've been waiting for this game to go free so I could try it again.
I played it at launch for two or three months and like many others got burnt by Funcom's lies and incompetence. But I did love the graphics and combat.
Here's hoping that this will bring in a lot of new players. Because launch was so bad AoC hasn't been able to recover it's player base, so hopefully this will make a difference. Anything that brings in more players is a plus in my book.
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Originally posted by Gravarg All games should be subscriptionless. if Arena.net can do it with Guild Wars, anyone can!
Guild Wars wasn't a full featured, persistant world MMORPG, so it remains to see whether their 2nd, more fully featured offering will be successful under the B2P model.
I have no issues with subscription fees by the way, and I do think this is a smart move by Funcom. If the game has really improved over the years then it will breath new life into a flagging title.
If not, probably nothing lost regardless.
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Funcom has lost all credit in my eyes. First with almost year long delay of AoC launch, not fixing stuff that needed fixing in beta, lying left and right about things they'll do.
Tbh I think that Funcom with its incompetence will screw even F2P model. Never again will I pay for Crapcom's game (maybe gonna try free trials)
I'll probably give the game another chance. It sucked so bad at launch in PvP that I just couldn't stand it. Maybe things are better now, and I can try again without spending money.
I played this in closed beta and in many ways it is a genuinely good game. Recently I played the trial and noticed quite a few small but positive changes as far as Tortage (the starter area) goes. The trial does not let you passed that point.
In the trial there was a noticeable lack of population which, to me, said that the main world would either be dead or high end characters only. That completely put me off paying for a month just to see if the main game world had improved.
Back during the closed beta I strongly felt and stated that AoC was, for me at least, simply not an MMO since there was zero incentive to group. Apart from there being really no great need to group, the chat interface in the game at that point of time was horrendously crude and almost obstructive to enjoying the game.
The actual game world, though, is really attractive. The graphics were good if not excellent, though maybe a little stylised in a way that some people may not find visually appealing. The gameplay, ie combat mechanics etc, was actually more or less what they had aimed for, dynamic and exciting.
Returning during the trial, I did get a chance to group with one of the few players I met and that was, to my surprise, a very fun experience with the atmosphere of fast paced action, bloody mayhem and immersive involvement in what was going on being very high compared to many, and maybe all, other games I have played. Its more like watching live film action with dynamically moving characters than the more static, carton like movements of player characters in other games.
In spite of being fun, engrossing and highly immersive, the specifically solo part of Tortage (Night Time) probably starts players off in a way that predisposes us far to much to perceive the game from the outset as more of a solo thing than a group thing and, noting the last paragraph, that is actually highly destructive to what would otherwise be a a wonderful grouping environment. IE, players spend so much time soloing in the starter area that by the time they get to the main continents they dont have any inherent motivation to group.
When AoC goes freemium then you can bet that I will be going back for at least long enough to see if the post-Tortage world has improved as far as incentive to group goes because this game really rocks when it comes to group oriented action.
I think this is a wise and constructive move on Funcom's part since all that ever really detracted from AoC were things that they appear to have fixed and the non-existent player base. Fully populated this game should be at least as exciting to play as any other game out there at the moment.
To other players out there considering spending time on AoC, I'd say, give it a shot, its a good game in all the areas you want it to be good in, but make a specific point of grouping with others because its the most exciting aspect of the game.
Aaaaah the memories...
...fun times when our end-game raiding guild got our officers banned for weeks lenght just because we pool'ed the cash to be the 1st Tier 5 (max?) player city... or when we put the T5 (?) crafter gear (that only our guild could make at the time) in AH would get us banned for getting too much gold (either for few stuff at HIGH prices or selling many at small prices)
...good old days of being banned for 1 to 2 weeks for having too much gold and thus being automaticly a Gold Farmer without being checked in a timelly manner by a GM or whatever...
Guess this is some kind of good news... being able to re-visit the place without paying more than the now useless Collector Box... we'll see...
Some people live in a cardboard box, that doesn't make it a house nor should other homes cost the same. It's a business model.
Ah.. Funcom and Age of Conan.. the game that was advertised as having dx 10 at launch and only got a dx 10 client 2 years after, all the bugs and nazi forum moderation banning anyone who dared to point out the several bugs and bad designs options.
Now the free to play model, soon 1 server and then hopefully someone will shutdown one of the most disgraceful markting operations in the online gaming industry ever.
Almost forgot.. the 'inovative' carpal inducing keyboard pressing fighting system. That was famous in a sense back in the day.. together with the buy the game so you can try the starting island that has nothing to do with the real game thingy.
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A good, well designed and supported MMO doesn't need a freemium model to attract and hold players. AoC sadly fails on these accounts.The various game systems feel poorly integrated into a coherent whole. To me it feels like it was designed by the marketing department writing a check list of things that the developers needed to add but without stepping back and making sure all the systems actually meshed into a complete product.The buggy state it has been for much of its lifetime hasn't helped one bit. I've been back now and then and had fun at times but ultimately it couldn't hold my interest due to the points I raised above.
Originally posted by EduardoASG Now the free to play model, soon 1 server and then hopefully someone will shutdown one of the most disgraceful markting operations in the online gaming industry ever. Almost forgot.. the 'inovative' carpal inducing keyboard pressing fighting system. That was famous in a sense back in the day.. together with the buy the game so you can try the starting island that has nothing to do with the real game thingy.
Heh, I'm predicting a very long wait for you, I don't see AoC shutting down the next few years, but keep hoping
As for the combat, tastes differ: some like auto attack, others prefer a more engaged and interesting combat system as AoC has.
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Originally posted by EveJunkie A good, well designed and supported MMO doesn't need a freemium model to attract and hold players. AoC sadly fails on these accounts. The various game systems feel poorly integrated into a coherent whole. To me it feels like it was designed by the marketing department writing a check list of things that the developers needed to add but without stepping back and making sure all the systems actually meshed into a complete product. The buggy state it has been for much of its lifetime hasn't helped one bit. I've been back now and then and had fun at times but ultimately it couldn't hold my interest due to the points I raised above.
Yes & no. if AoC had gone freemium some time ago a lot less paying subscribers who were primarily raiders and interested in doing godlsayer mode six man instances in khitai (for gear of course) would have left. Now at least those who stuck it out running raids and so forth might actually have a new wave of fresh faces who will eventually hit 80 and either join the raiding crowd or quit.
AoC's biggest problem of course is and always has been beyond raiding there was nothing to do at endgame. Then came Khitai a whole expansion almost entirely made up of endgame content, except it was just a grind fest for tokens to buy new gear and some 6 man instances (which are fun the first few times, especially in godslayer mode) to grind for new gear and lets not forget an instance for Tier 4 raiding...... to grind for (you guessed it) new gear. With basically nothing at andgame for the non raider who didnt want to mindlessly grind faction points AoC was always going to have a shrinking population.
Its a shame because I loved the world they created and I love the lore of Conan but you just cant fight that feeling of endgame boredom.
AoC is the best mmo out there atm by so far, we didnt even know there were other games till some idiot dropped it in global chat.
I'm with a few other posters in the fact that AOC hasn't really changed that much and I mean with the the core game it is still a solo to cap and then raid game similar to Rift but with better quests and a more immersive world. The performance is still spotty, the crafting and siege systems are broken still and therefore making nothing to do at endgame for a non-raider other than grind faction for gear in Khitai.
For me this Fremium model is going to give the game a shot in the arm in the short term but as with the RotGS xpac after initial enthusiasm the players will see the game for what it really is and that is still an uncomplete game witrh many features missing or broken. I go back to AOC everytime they throw a comeback event because there is lots to like there but I always end up with the same feelings that I have expressed in this post, it really is a shame as the Conan world is such a great place to stage an MMORPG.
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Originally posted by EveJunkie A good, well designed and supported MMO doesn't need a freemium model to attract and hold players. AoC sadly fails on these accounts.
LotRO was, and still is, a good, well designed and supported MMO. It didn't need a freemium model, but clearly after the success of DDO Turbine saw the benefits of a new payment model.
Well this is good news ....
last time i activated my old account , the world was pretty much empty , other then a few wing calls , nothing , dead silent...
I might activate my account again if this happens since playing alone is no fun...
FAIL!! FAIL!! FAIL!!
And ANOTHER of my games added to the pile that I will never play again.
What a shame.