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  • slprslpr lisbonPosts: 340Member

    Originally posted by Deewe

    Originally posted by musicmann

    Yep, these graphics sure do suck. If you are going blind in both eyes.

     

     

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    I guess you are the one that's having viewing issues :0

     

    First pic look like barbie doll: huge breast and impossibly thin waist.

    Second one diablo/wow like spiky shoulder pads.

    Third one is a decent clone trooper. The name of the game is clone wars, right? But I digress this pic is nice.

    The last one isn't that bad either ;)

    Don't like it don't play it, simple.

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  • GMan3GMan3 Ewa Beach, HIPosts: 2,127Member

    Originally posted by slpr

    Originally posted by Deewe



    Originally posted by musicmann

    Yep, these graphics sure do suck. If you are going blind in both eyes.

     imageimageimageimage

    I guess you are the one that's having viewing issues :0

     First pic look like barbie doll: huge breast and impossibly thin waist.

    Second one diablo/wow like spiky shoulder pads.

    Third one is a decent clone trooper. The name of the game is clone wars, right? But I digress this pic is nice.

    The last one isn't that bad either ;)

    Don't like it don't play it, simple.

     I agree slpr, if he doesn't like it, he shouldn't play it.  No skin off my back.  If anything it would make things MORE enjoyable for the rest of us.

    Oh and Deewe, I disagree with you as well.  The style of the character is a little on the thin side, but that is probably to keep the characters from looking grossly disproportional when you put full armor on them.  It is even understandably in many cases that these kinds of warriors would try to keep "thin and flexible, yet strong" instead of the "unmoveable brute hulk" type that can't move very fast.  The one thing that does annoy me is the monstrous weaponry I sometimes see characters in the game using which seems to be a throwback to Japanese Animation instead of relying on a more tradtional and realistic weapons look.

    "If half of what you tell me is a lie, how can I believe any of it?"

  • ClyptsoClyptso Gordo, ALPosts: 147Member

    Originally posted by jk3592

    Did anyone post how horrible the graphics look b/c it does. I mean out of all the highly anticipated games coming out soon, SWTOR looks the worst. Skill animations look also pretty lame. Comparing it  to WOW's graphics, since it's so outdated now, I don't see that much of a difference. I mean other than it being Star Wars, I don't kno why so many people are so excited about this game, other than being Star Wars. Let's pretend this game wasn't Star Wars, would you be still so hyped about it. I kno hard it would be to forget the "Star Wars" part of it all but try very hard. 

    The graphics are not bad. Graphics aren't the only thing anyways. Its gameplay that makes or breaks MMOs. Don't play it if you need highest end graphics for every new game just don't expect that in too many MMOs. Developers tend to want their product to play on as many systems as possible.

    I'm not hyped cause it is Star Wars. I'm hyped cause its Bioware. I did like the KOTOR games too but I like alot of Bioware games.

    My take on gaming in general is that story and gameplay are very important to any game. Graphics are up there but don't have to be top of the line for me at least.

  • PelaajaPelaaja HevonkuusiPosts: 697Member

    Seems to me, they are making the art similar as SW: The Clone Wars has. You know that cartoon series...

    Don't get me wrong, it doesn't look bad. It just isn't to my taste, I like more of the style KOTOR has.

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  • TalinTalin West Babylon, NYPosts: 824Member

    This is an opinion thread so I'll counter with my own. I don't think the graphics "sux", but I don't think they are cutting edge either. Everything I have seen points to stylized Star Wars graphics designed to run on the majority of machines/video cards out there today. I am not dissapointed but neither am I left breathless by their beauty. As others have posted already, we have all seen the woes that games with "cutting edge" graphics face (Age of Conan anyone?), so I commend Bioware on this decision.

    At this point, it is all about the story and gameplay for me.

  • pigandforkspigandforks Gold CoastPosts: 17Member

    Great graphics aren't always a plus with an mmo, the higher the system requirements the smaller your potential market.  However, the quality of the animations (from what we have seen so far) is very poor, everything seems kind of awkward.

  • ChilliesauceChilliesauce MelbournePosts: 559Member

    Such a boo hoo over graphics. When the game releases its not the graphics which will make or break the game it is the gameply. AOC, Vanguard and FFXIV all have amazing graphics..look how they turned out.

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  • RaoraRaora Jackson, WYPosts: 243Member

    I really like the graphics.

  • GMan3GMan3 Ewa Beach, HIPosts: 2,127Member

    Originally posted by pigandforks

    Great graphics aren't always a plus with an mmo, the higher the system requirements the smaller your potential market.  However, the quality of the animations (from what we have seen so far) is very poor, everything seems kind of awkward.

     Really?  Have you looked at any of the more recent vids?  The trooper vid for example?  I am amazed by how far this game has come since the earliest vids they published.  I mean the movement animations (running, walking, gestures, etc.) are very fluid and realistic.

    I have seen some people talking about being disappointed about the shoulders not moving when a toon runs, but from military experience I can tell you that is a good thing not a bad one.  After all, if your shoulders and arms are moving around while you run, then you will be waving your rifle all over the place and end up pointing it at people on your own side way too much.  Remember the old saying: "Friendly Fire . . . Isn't !".  So the shoulder issue for me actually feels right.  Another plus is not having my character hop with every running step as I have seen in another soon to be released game (DCUO).

    Then there is the lightsaber animations.  Very nice there.  I mean, actually using a sword to block an incoming strike from another weapon?  Genius!  That is part of what they are for after all.  I can't believe it has taken this long for a developer to try that.

    Now, do I think they can do better?  Absolutely.  Then again, I tend to believe that there is always room for improvement.

    "If half of what you tell me is a lie, how can I believe any of it?"

  • Xero_ChanceXero_Chance Salina, KSPosts: 519Member

    The graphics are great.

    The style isn't your taste.
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  • DeeweDeewe Long Beach, CAPosts: 1,965Member

    Originally posted by GMan3

    Originally posted by slpr


    Originally posted by Deewe



    Originally posted by musicmann

    Yep, these graphics sure do suck. If you are going blind in both eyes.

     imageimageimageimage

    I guess you are the one that's having viewing issues :0

     First pic look like barbie doll: huge breast and impossibly thin waist.

    Second one diablo/wow like spiky shoulder pads.

    Third one is a decent clone trooper. The name of the game is clone wars, right? But I digress this pic is nice.

    The last one isn't that bad either ;)

    Don't like it don't play it, simple.

     I agree slpr, if he doesn't like it, he shouldn't play it.  No skin off my back.  If anything it would make things MORE enjoyable for the rest of us.

    Oh and Deewe, I disagree with you as well.  The style of the character is a little on the thin side, but that is probably to keep the characters from looking grossly disproportional when you put full armor on them.  It is even understandably in many cases that these kinds of warriors would try to keep "thin and flexible, yet strong" instead of the "unmoveable brute hulk" type that can't move very fast.  The one thing that does annoy me is the monstrous weaponry I sometimes see characters in the game using which seems to be a throwback to Japanese Animation instead of relying on a more tradtional and realistic weapons look.

    Remove the armor on the female character and the proportions will look very weird. They are even worse than the barbie doll ones!

  • whilanwhilan Everett, WAPosts: 3,172Member Uncommon

    I'm going with they look fine to me.  one note: the girl is turned a bit which may be throwing off the portions, but whatever, they look okay to me, especially compared with what the models look like in other screenshots.

    Help me Bioware, you're my only hope.

    Is ToR going to be good? Dude it's Bioware making a freaking star wars game, all signs point to awesome. -G4tv MMo report.

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  • BarakIIIBarakIII Monroe, LAPosts: 800Member

    Originally posted by Deewe

    Originally posted by GMan3


    Originally posted by slpr


    Originally posted by Deewe



    Originally posted by musicmann

    Yep, these graphics sure do suck. If you are going blind in both eyes.

     imageimageimageimage

    I guess you are the one that's having viewing issues :0

     First pic look like barbie doll: huge breast and impossibly thin waist.

    Second one diablo/wow like spiky shoulder pads.

    Third one is a decent clone trooper. The name of the game is clone wars, right? But I digress this pic is nice.

    The last one isn't that bad either ;)

    Don't like it don't play it, simple.

     I agree slpr, if he doesn't like it, he shouldn't play it.  No skin off my back.  If anything it would make things MORE enjoyable for the rest of us.

    Oh and Deewe, I disagree with you as well.  The style of the character is a little on the thin side, but that is probably to keep the characters from looking grossly disproportional when you put full armor on them.  It is even understandably in many cases that these kinds of warriors would try to keep "thin and flexible, yet strong" instead of the "unmoveable brute hulk" type that can't move very fast.  The one thing that does annoy me is the monstrous weaponry I sometimes see characters in the game using which seems to be a throwback to Japanese Animation instead of relying on a more tradtional and realistic weapons look.

    Remove the armor on the female character and the proportions will look very weird. They are even worse than the barbie doll ones!

    Keep in mind that's a pc, not an npc. There's a slider for that I'm sure, since in different screenshots I've seen a variety of sizes. Somebody obviously wanted a topheavy sith. image

  • GMan3GMan3 Ewa Beach, HIPosts: 2,127Member

    Originally posted by BarakIII

    Originally posted by Deewe

    Originally posted by GMan3

    Originally posted by slpr

    Originally posted by Deewe



    Originally posted by musicmann

    Yep, these graphics sure do suck. If you are going blind in both eyes.

     imageimageimageimage

    I guess you are the one that's having viewing issues :0

     First pic look like barbie doll: huge breast and impossibly thin waist.

    Second one diablo/wow like spiky shoulder pads.

    Third one is a decent clone trooper. The name of the game is clone wars, right? But I digress this pic is nice.

    The last one isn't that bad either ;)

    Don't like it don't play it, simple.

     I agree slpr, if he doesn't like it, he shouldn't play it.  No skin off my back.  If anything it would make things MORE enjoyable for the rest of us.

    Oh and Deewe, I disagree with you as well.  The style of the character is a little on the thin side, but that is probably to keep the characters from looking grossly disproportional when you put full armor on them.  It is even understandably in many cases that these kinds of warriors would try to keep "thin and flexible, yet strong" instead of the "unmoveable brute hulk" type that can't move very fast.  The one thing that does annoy me is the monstrous weaponry I sometimes see characters in the game using which seems to be a throwback to Japanese Animation instead of relying on a more tradtional and realistic weapons look.

    Remove the armor on the female character and the proportions will look very weird. They are even worse than the barbie doll ones!

    Keep in mind that's a pc, not an npc. There's a slider for that I'm sure, since in different screenshots I've seen a variety of sizes. Somebody obviously wanted a topheavy sith. image

       She is also slightly turning at the waist (as whilan mentioned) and bent over a little which only adds emphasis to the chest region.  Take away the armor and she is just . . . thin, wirey . . . the exact kind of body build that makes for a good swordsman who relies on finess instead of brute strength.

       I have to say Deewe, you are obviously LOOKING for faults in this game.  Too bad you won't be able to enjoy it with the rest of us.  Do us a favor though.  If you do decide to try it out please post what server and guild you will be running with.  That way I for one can make sure to stay as far away from it as possible.

    "If half of what you tell me is a lie, how can I believe any of it?"

  • DeeweDeewe Long Beach, CAPosts: 1,965Member

    Originally posted by BarakIII

    Originally posted by Deewe


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    Remove the armor on the female character and the proportions will look very weird. They are even worse than the barbie doll ones!

    Keep in mind that's a pc, not an npc. There's a slider for that I'm sure, since in different screenshots I've seen a variety of sizes. Somebody obviously wanted a topheavy sith. image

    No slider, only a body choice among 4 types.

  • atticusbcatticusbc Posts: 1,069Member Uncommon

    It's just my night for going against concensus isn't it? I LIKE the graphics. I've always like stylized graphics more than realistic ones.

    EDIT: I even like WoW's graphics even if I don't like the game.

  • whilanwhilan Everett, WAPosts: 3,172Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by Deewe

    Originally posted by BarakIII


    Originally posted by Deewe


    *** snip*

    Remove the armor on the female character and the proportions will look very weird. They are even worse than the barbie doll ones!

    Keep in mind that's a pc, not an npc. There's a slider for that I'm sure, since in different screenshots I've seen a variety of sizes. Somebody obviously wanted a topheavy sith. image

    No slider, only a body choice among 4 types.

    I don't have info on how many different types there are, so i'll just let BW quote speak for me

    Quote: Because you will see your character's face so frequently during conversations in the game, it's absolutely critical that you can look awesome and unique. We have plenty of face/head/body customization options just in character creation -Bioware

     

    I would like to also request where your getting the 4 body types.  I don't recall seeing anything specifically saying how many types there were. Ignore that request i found it, basically the types are thin muscular, regular and hefty.  Still okay in my opinion. Hair eyes, skin type, and all the other stuff can be customized.

    Quote from darth hater: The character creation screen was very similar to Dragon Age: Origins

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itwYZ2AC-_0

    at about 4:50 you get to see the character creation.  From what that quote stats you can see something similar.

    Help me Bioware, you're my only hope.

    Is ToR going to be good? Dude it's Bioware making a freaking star wars game, all signs point to awesome. -G4tv MMo report.

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  • DeeweDeewe Long Beach, CAPosts: 1,965Member

    Originally posted by whilan

    I would like to also request where your getting the 4 body types.  I don't recall seeing anything specifically saying how many types there were. Ignore that request i found it, basically the types are thin muscular, regular and hefty.  Still okay in my opinion. Hair eyes, skin type, and all the other stuff can be customized.

    Quote from darth hater: The character creation screen was very similar to Dragon Age: Origins

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itwYZ2AC-_0

    at about 4:50 you get to see the character creation.  From what that quote stats you can see something similar.

     


  • whilanwhilan Everett, WAPosts: 3,172Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by Deewe

    Originally posted by whilan

    I would like to also request where your getting the 4 body types.  I don't recall seeing anything specifically saying how many types there were. Ignore that request i found it, basically the types are thin muscular, regular and hefty.  Still okay in my opinion. Hair eyes, skin type, and all the other stuff can be customized.

    Quote from darth hater: The character creation screen was very similar to Dragon Age: Origins

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itwYZ2AC-_0

    at about 4:50 you get to see the character creation.  From what that quote stats you can see something similar.

     


     Yep thanks for the link, i actually did find that earlier though as i corrected myself or rather said ignore my original request cause i found that link.  I marked it in red for you. 

    Help me Bioware, you're my only hope.

    Is ToR going to be good? Dude it's Bioware making a freaking star wars game, all signs point to awesome. -G4tv MMo report.

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  • mainvein33mainvein33 Atlanta, GAPosts: 406Member

    If there is one lesson I think we all should know by now looking at AoC and FFXIV is that great graphics for mid to high end computers do not make a game good. Not only does it cut out most players who are casual and dont run very good system it also emphasizes something half of you stop worrying about once you realize there isnt any content. Bioware has plced alot of their resources on combat graphics and gameplay and likely this is a good move. You wont sit there pissing blood over graphics if the game is actually fun to play, right?

  • IsaneIsane EnglandPosts: 2,629Member Uncommon

    The Graphics and scale of this game are nothing short of fantastic. The Graphics Sux threads are at a point now where it just makes the OP look like a complete fool. The more content that is shown the better and better this gets.

    99.9999% of us will enjoy this game for what it is I guess a few odd balls wont what a shame.

    You just have to look at the recent slidesets of over 200 pictures or the Official site to understand why this is a ridiculous thread.

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  • LatronusLatronus Lexington Park, MDPosts: 692Member

    Originally posted by Isane

    The Graphics and scale of this game are nothing short of fantastic. The Graphics Sux threads are at a point now where it just makes the OP look like a complete fool. The more content that is shown the better and better this gets.

    99.9999% of us will enjoy this game for what it is I guess a few odd balls wont what a shame.

    You just have to look at the recent slidesets of over 200 pictures or the Official site to understand why this is a ridiculous thread.

     Sure the graphics aren't cutting edge, but who cares.  BW has stated that they want this game to be able to run on a wide range of rigs, afterall, if more people can play it, more are likely to buy it.  That worked for WoW, and I bet that many of those that hate the graphics of TOR actually play WoW... but that's just a guess.

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  • AshanorAshanor Brevard County, FLPosts: 97Member

    The game looks great, and will be playable across many systems at launch (which was their goal).

     

    Examples:

     

    http://www.swtor.com/media/screens/zabrak-0

     

    http://www.swtor.com/media/screens/jedi-knight-sentinel

     

    etc

     

    You may have had a minor arguement when they released the first couple screenshots of the game, such as the force choke screenshot with the gigantic lightsaber, but the graphics have changed a ton since the TOR website went up. They are very detailed, and there are many more examples of it if you look for them.

     

     

     

  • IronfungusIronfungus Florence, AZPosts: 519Member

    Y'know, I've really tried to shrug this off, but I just can't help myself. The art absolutely drives me insane. Graphics is not my concern...but the art. Everyone's faces, bodies...it all just looks so damn goofy. Is there any reason why we couldn't have Mass Effect-like art, but ... you know, STAR WARS? Is there really a need for this childish direction?

    I would even be so bold as to say they stepped down from KOTOR I & II. If I may elaborate...

     

    RIGHT:

     

    WRONG:

     

    It looks stupid beyond hell.

  • kegtapkegtap Salem, MAPosts: 261Member

    Originally posted by ironfungus

    Y'know, I've really tried to shrug this off, but I just can't help myself. The art absolutely drives me insane. Graphics is not my concern...but the art. Everyone's faces, bodies...it all just looks so damn goofy. Is there any reason why we couldn't have Mass Effect-like art, but ... you know, STAR WARS? Is there really a need for this childish direction?

    I would even be so bold as to say they stepped down from KOTOR I & II. If I may elaborate...

     

    RIGHT:

     

    WRONG:

     

    It looks stupid beyond hell.

    Your  Right = not in game screen shot.  You are entiled to your opion but that picture is a drawing and not computer animation.

    The graphics don't bother me.

    I can feel your anger. This game is defenseless. Take your weapon. Strike this game down with all of your hatred, and your journey towards towards the Dark Side will be complete.

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