Why would people quit playing a MMO to play a single player game? Does not compute. Besides Total Annihilation/Supreme Commander is better. Strategic zoom ftw.
Strategic zoom doesn't make those games better. SC2 offers fast paced, actio orientated gameplay where as Supreme Commander is a much more drawn out experience.
Calling one a "fanboy" for liking a game or company is really getting stale guys. Lets try and do something new.. ya know.. really get the blood boiling.
I agree. "Ass kisser" works much better than fanboi.
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Why would people quit playing a MMO to play a single player game? Does not compute. Besides Total Annihilation/Supreme Commander is better. Strategic zoom ftw.
Strategic zoom doesn't make those games better. SC2 offers fast paced, actio orientated gameplay where as Supreme Commander is a much more drawn out experience.
Yea your comment is true if you want to play the real time rush gamestyle. I personally prefer the real time strategic playstyle myself.
Is it just me or do zerg rushes seen a bit boring?
Another great example of Moore's Law. Give people access to that much space (developers and users alike) and they'll find uses for it that you can never imagine. "640K ought to be enough for anybody" - Bill Gates 1981
Why would people quit playing a MMO to play a single player game? Does not compute. Besides Total Annihilation/Supreme Commander is better. Strategic zoom ftw.
Strategic zoom doesn't make those games better. SC2 offers fast paced, actio orientated gameplay where as Supreme Commander is a much more drawn out experience.
Yea your comment is true if you want to play the real time rush gamestyle. I personally prefer the real time strategic playstyle myself.
Is it just me or do zerg rushes seen a bit boring?
I found supcom to be all about building the biggest army rather than the right kind of army - never felt in control of my units as they kinda just flew around doing their own thing, I like RTS games where just a few units can turn the tied of a battle I get that in SC1/2 never got that in supcom.
Not saying supcom is bad, it's just not my thing and I never found it strategic.
Why would people quit playing a MMO to play a single player game? Does not compute. Besides Total Annihilation/Supreme Commander is better. Strategic zoom ftw.
Strategic zoom doesn't make those games better. SC2 offers fast paced, actio orientated gameplay where as Supreme Commander is a much more drawn out experience.
Yea your comment is true if you want to play the real time rush gamestyle. I personally prefer the real time strategic playstyle myself.
Is it just me or do zerg rushes seen a bit boring?
I found supcom to be all about building the biggest army rather than the right kind of army - never felt in control of my units as they kinda just flew around doing their own thing, I like RTS games where just a few units can turn the tied of a battle I get that in SC1/2 never got that in supcom.
Not saying supcom is bad, it's just not my thing and I never found it strategic.
You are right a lot of supcom 1 players did this....they were my favourate opponents as they were fun to beat. Afterall whats the use of a superheavy experimental when a few well positioned bait defences and a tac nuke worked very well.
Another great example of Moore's Law. Give people access to that much space (developers and users alike) and they'll find uses for it that you can never imagine. "640K ought to be enough for anybody" - Bill Gates 1981
The only RTS series I can stomach these days is the Total War franchise. I'm sure Sc2 will do quite well in the coming months, though I never really saw the appeal in any of Blizzards RTS games. That may have more to do with how I feel Blizz ripped off the WAR Ip as well as 40k than the actual game itself though.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Again blizzard is able to use it's base of ignorant fanboys to sell a product. SC2 came out 5 years ago, it was called Dawn of War...
Maybe I'm confused this is a Diff company and SC2 looks way better and plays way better. Dawn of War was the SC clone. Nice try though.
ROFL again a fanboy with no grasp on history or the genre...
I know SC1 came before any of the Dawn of Wars... Its not hard to use google try it sometime. I would love too listen too your story on how dawn of war somehow leaped from 2004 too 1997 (before SC1). Does it hurt too bad that your game came second and is played by way fewer people? If you are refering too the board game Warhammer 40k yes it came first... but this is a Video game thread not a stupid little board game thread.
Dawn of war is in NO way a rip off of sc. Obviously you never played dow so you obviously wouldn't know wtf I'm talking about when it comes to the mechanics used in sc 2. You're not old enough or smart enough to understand what real RTS vets are talking about so go back to the battle.net forums with the rest of the retards.
Again blizzard is able to use it's base of ignorant fanboys to sell a product. SC2 came out 5 years ago, it was called Dawn of War...
Maybe I'm confused this is a Diff company and SC2 looks way better and plays way better. Dawn of War was the SC clone. Nice try though.
ROFL again a fanboy with no grasp on history or the genre...
I know SC1 came before any of the Dawn of Wars... Its not hard to use google try it sometime. I would love too listen too your story on how dawn of war somehow leaped from 2004 too 1997 (before SC1). Does it hurt too bad that your game came second and is played by way fewer people? If you are refering too the board game Warhammer 40k yes it came first... but this is a Video game thread not a stupid little board game thread.
Dawn of war is in NO way a rip off of sc. Obviously you never played dow so you obviously wouldn't know wtf I'm talking about when it comes to the mechanics used in sc 2. You're not old enough or smart enough to understand what real RTS vets are talking about so go back to the battle.net forums with the rest of the retards.
I agree that DoW is in no way a rip off of SC. But lets all be honest here, DoW is a derived / branch of SC. A lot of what makes DoW can be seen in early Warcraft Mods and SC 1 mods.
But even with that said Dune II: The Building of a Dynastycould be considered the first mainstream PC RTS game. Its not the first RTS game, there where others that had bits and parts of what RTS elements we have, but it was the first to bring in the mainstream elements that we continue to see today.
Well, the online numbers may fall, but I doubt anyone will be completely quitting their MMO.
It's funny you should say that, I went home yesterday and for some reason decided to cancel mine and my wife's WoW subscription and so I did just that.
I doubt I will ever play WoW again, it was a great game but I have lost my interest enough that I have not had the urge to log in for over 4 months. The game was still being debited from my account incase I ever felt like playing again, but that's not the case. That and the fact that since I stopped spending so much time online I found that there was so much that I had more time for, I don't understand how I even had time to play with all the things I have had to do lol.
So yeah, this thread is kinda spooky seeing it the very next day I cancelled my subs lol.
Again blizzard is able to use it's base of ignorant fanboys to sell a product. SC2 came out 5 years ago, it was called Dawn of War...
Maybe I'm confused this is a Diff company and SC2 looks way better and plays way better. Dawn of War was the SC clone. Nice try though.
ROFL again a fanboy with no grasp on history or the genre...
I know SC1 came before any of the Dawn of Wars... Its not hard to use google try it sometime. I would love too listen too your story on how dawn of war somehow leaped from 2004 too 1997 (before SC1). Does it hurt too bad that your game came second and is played by way fewer people? If you are refering too the board game Warhammer 40k yes it came first... but this is a Video game thread not a stupid little board game thread.
Dawn of war is in NO way a rip off of sc. Obviously you never played dow so you obviously wouldn't know wtf I'm talking about when it comes to the mechanics used in sc 2. You're not old enough or smart enough to understand what real RTS vets are talking about so go back to the battle.net forums with the rest of the retards.
I agree that DoW is in no way a rip off of SC. But lets all be honest here, DoW is a derived / branch of SC. A lot of what makes DoW can be seen in early Warcraft Mods and SC 1 mods.
But even with that said Dune II: The Building of a Dynastycould be considered the first mainstream PC RTS game. Its not the first RTS game, there where others that had bits and parts of what RTS elements we have, but it was the first to bring in the mainstream elements that we continue to see today.
The fact that there are people who do not know makes me very sad. It means they are either kids who never touched SC1 (which then they shouldn't be on the internet <_<) or they were deprived as children.
Original C&C > original SC. Cheesy FMV with B-list actors ftw.
EDIT: Dune II... also made by westwood. I miss the original westwood studios, they kinda made the genre.
Everything creates huge amounts of negativity on the internet, that's what the internet is for: Negativity, porn and lolcats.
5 million copies in 24 hours...outside the place that bought the most per citizen. and yet we refer to it as ONLY 5mil. Really.
What game are you guys playing that sold 5 million copies in 24 hours?
Again, blizzard uses it's ignorant brainwashed masses of retarded zombies to make money.
you know, someone can like a game, and not be brainwashed. It's not like people heard helter skelter and ran to go buy SC2, people need to get over the fact that Blizzard makes quality games. Not the best, thats a matter a preference, but they have polish and good design.
and like robokapp said, "What game are you guys playing that sold 5 million copies in 24 hours?"
so unless you can answer that, don't quote it, with some troll based BS, cause thats what it is BS.
The fact that there are people who do not know makes me very sad. It means they are either kids who never touched SC1 (which then they shouldn't be on the internet <_<) or they were deprived as children.
Original C&C > original SC. Cheesy FMV with B-list actors ftw.
EDIT: Dune II... also made by westwood. I miss the original westwood studios, they kinda made the genre.
Yup , good times , nothing beats FMV's like:
And also , 5 million purchases , oh boehoe . One of my favorite RTS's got the devs bankrupt because they failed at advertisement and sold so poorly but i don't know anyone who knows that game who says it sucks. Now sure SC can't be crap to cather that many people but it sure as hell ain't as big as the hype , by miles.
And i'll also add this: high sales just means one thing , it attracts the masses . Just look at MW2, one hell of a piece of crap and yet sold much , why? because the masses like simple things .
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you know, someone can like a game, and not be brainwashed. It's not like people heard helter skelter and ran to go buy SC2, people need to get over the fact that Blizzard makes quality games. Not the best, thats a matter a preference, but they have polish and good design.
and like robokapp said, "What game are you guys playing that sold 5 million copies in 24 hours?"
so unless you can answer that, don't quote it, with some troll based BS, cause thats what it is BS.
while he said it in a rather trollish way, the overall point still stands. does it matter? people can spout numbers over and over, thinking it makes their game "the best" when its mostly irrelevant.
copies sold on launch day mean they are sold entirely on hype. copies sold long after launch day show game quality. and before you bash me for hating on blizz, WoW sold and sold for years, because people enjoyed the game, I'm not saying anything bad about the company or the game. just that selling 5million copies of a game, before anyone has played the game shows that the company is good at advertising, not at game development.
Everything creates huge amounts of negativity on the internet, that's what the internet is for: Negativity, porn and lolcats.
I have never played Starcraft, nor do I ever want to. As a matter of fact, I got the beta invite and gave it away. It will pull a few, but it won't have the impact people thinks. And if it does, it will be shortlived like always. A ton of folks quit there MMO to try new games, but they always go back.
I finally realized after a few years I simply don't like RTS games. I think they are fundamentally flawed. Either make a Real Time Tactical like Myth from Bungie or make a real strategy turn based game like Heroes of Might and Magic series.
RTS are just a bastardization that are mediocre at the tactical end and mediocre at the logistical/strategy end. People like them because they are frenetic not because they are good. That freneticness just turns me off. If SC2 is more busy than SC1 I suppose that would be the natural progression.
The only thing I like about starcraft is Blizzard ripped off Games Workshop to a lesser extent, although still to a large extent. The best thing about Blizzard RTS's is that the units say different things when you click on them alot.
Anyway for my money the Myth 1 and 2 are twice as good as starcraft or warcraft. Both in story and gameplay.
The fact that there are people who do not know makes me very sad. It means they are either kids who never touched SC1 (which then they shouldn't be on the internet <_<) or they were deprived as children.
Or they did play SC1, thought it was ok, and aren't drinking the same 'SC2 is the second coming' kool-aid that Blizz fanbots are drinking.
Did geeks learning nothing from The Phantom Menace? Hype leads to the dark side, and it's never as good as the first time.
I finally realized after a few years I simply don't like RTS games. I think they are fundamentally flawed. Either make a Real Time Tactical like Myth from Bungie or make a real strategy turn based game like Heroes of Might and Magic series.
RTS are just a bastardization that are mediocre at the tactical end and mediocre at the logistical/strategy end. People like them because they are frenetic not because they are good. That freneticness just turns me off. If SC2 is more busy than SC1 I suppose that would be the natural progression.
The only thing I like about starcraft is Blizzard ripped off Games Workshop to a lesser extent, although still to a large extent. The best thing about Blizzard RTS's is that the units say different things when you click on them alot.
Anyway for my money the Myth 1 and 2 are twice as good as starcraft or warcraft. Both in story and gameplay.
Agreed. I do think there's a few good RTS games though. Company of Heroes and the Total War series (although TW has sucky mp). Sadly that's the only ones I can think of.
The only thing I like about starcraft is Blizzard ripped off Games Workshop to a lesser extent, although still to a large extent. The best thing about Blizzard RTS's is that the units say different things when you click on them alot.
Sad thing is that really is not the case.. Blizzard was seeking license from Games Workshop but GW (at the time) did not like what they seen and they felt they did not have enough control over the game. So they ended up denying the license to Blizzard. In return Blizzard made the required changes so that the game would not fall under some sort of gray / black hole area as far as the IP goes. They then released the game and road the wave of success it brought.
One could say its bad luck on GW's part. As far the game ripping off something of GW. It does no more then your standard fantasy RPG does DnD. All games start based upon some idea / vision that the creator was inspired by something they seen, experienced, felt, ect.
Different games for different folks. Don't expect MMO popluation to fall much, if any at all, just because SC2 came out. People who like MMO's won't necessariliy like RTS games like Starcraft 2. People who like FPS games may not necessarily like RTS games. I loved SC1, I'll play SC2 when I have time. But do people realize it's OK to play multiple games, different types of games, without canceling or quitting one or the other?
Luckily for me I'm a nerd and I happen to like all 3 styles of games. So I do play a bit of WoW, a bit of CS:Source, and soon a bit of SC2.
The fact that there are people who do not know makes me very sad. It means they are either kids who never touched SC1 (which then they shouldn't be on the internet <_<) or they were deprived as children.
or.. they just don't care and over the years have moved on from that genre completly.
Star Craft was fun 'n all back in the day, really wasn't too many "pvp" games to choose from at that time, but there are litterally 1000's of choices to be competetive in now, with more depth and control too.
To put it simply what SC offers (as far as gameplay goes) just doesn't appeal to me anymore.
Pretty much this lol, I liked SC and all and it was fun but I quit playing for a reason. Sure I could pick up the new SC but if it there isn't a drastic difference between SC and SC2 I will likely only have fun for a very short period of time and be done with it in a week or less.
Realistically this is basically a waste of cash, you're buying something you already owned and played to death just because it's seen some minor updates and a graphics overhaul.
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Strategic zoom doesn't make those games better. SC2 offers fast paced, actio orientated gameplay where as Supreme Commander is a much more drawn out experience.
I agree. "Ass kisser" works much better than fanboi.
-Letting Derek Smart work on your game is like letting Osama bin Laden work in the White House. Something will burn.-
-And on the 8th day, man created God.-
Yea your comment is true if you want to play the real time rush gamestyle. I personally prefer the real time strategic playstyle myself.
Is it just me or do zerg rushes seen a bit boring?
Another great example of Moore's Law. Give people access to that much space (developers and users alike) and they'll find uses for it that you can never imagine. "640K ought to be enough for anybody" - Bill Gates 1981
I found supcom to be all about building the biggest army rather than the right kind of army - never felt in control of my units as they kinda just flew around doing their own thing, I like RTS games where just a few units can turn the tied of a battle I get that in SC1/2 never got that in supcom.
Not saying supcom is bad, it's just not my thing and I never found it strategic.
You are right a lot of supcom 1 players did this....they were my favourate opponents as they were fun to beat. Afterall whats the use of a superheavy experimental when a few well positioned bait defences and a tac nuke worked very well.
Another great example of Moore's Law. Give people access to that much space (developers and users alike) and they'll find uses for it that you can never imagine. "640K ought to be enough for anybody" - Bill Gates 1981
The only RTS series I can stomach these days is the Total War franchise. I'm sure Sc2 will do quite well in the coming months, though I never really saw the appeal in any of Blizzards RTS games. That may have more to do with how I feel Blizz ripped off the WAR Ip as well as 40k than the actual game itself though.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Dawn of war is in NO way a rip off of sc. Obviously you never played dow so you obviously wouldn't know wtf I'm talking about when it comes to the mechanics used in sc 2. You're not old enough or smart enough to understand what real RTS vets are talking about so go back to the battle.net forums with the rest of the retards.
So there goes spammers for a week.
I agree that DoW is in no way a rip off of SC. But lets all be honest here, DoW is a derived / branch of SC. A lot of what makes DoW can be seen in early Warcraft Mods and SC 1 mods.
But even with that said Dune II: The Building of a Dynasty could be considered the first mainstream PC RTS game. Its not the first RTS game, there where others that had bits and parts of what RTS elements we have, but it was the first to bring in the mainstream elements that we continue to see today.
It's funny you should say that, I went home yesterday and for some reason decided to cancel mine and my wife's WoW subscription and so I did just that.
I doubt I will ever play WoW again, it was a great game but I have lost my interest enough that I have not had the urge to log in for over 4 months. The game was still being debited from my account incase I ever felt like playing again, but that's not the case. That and the fact that since I stopped spending so much time online I found that there was so much that I had more time for, I don't understand how I even had time to play with all the things I have had to do lol.
So yeah, this thread is kinda spooky seeing it the very next day I cancelled my subs lol.
Jump packs for 1
Original C&C > original SC. Cheesy FMV with B-list actors ftw.
EDIT: Dune II... also made by westwood. I miss the original westwood studios, they kinda made the genre.
Everything creates huge amounts of negativity on the internet, that's what the internet is for: Negativity, porn and lolcats.
Again, blizzard uses it's ignorant brainwashed masses of retarded zombies to make money.
you know, someone can like a game, and not be brainwashed. It's not like people heard helter skelter and ran to go buy SC2, people need to get over the fact that Blizzard makes quality games. Not the best, thats a matter a preference, but they have polish and good design.
and like robokapp said, "What game are you guys playing that sold 5 million copies in 24 hours?"
so unless you can answer that, don't quote it, with some troll based BS, cause thats what it is BS.
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Yup , good times , nothing beats FMV's like:
And also , 5 million purchases , oh boehoe . One of my favorite RTS's got the devs bankrupt because they failed at advertisement and sold so poorly but i don't know anyone who knows that game who says it sucks. Now sure SC can't be crap to cather that many people but it sure as hell ain't as big as the hype , by miles.
And i'll also add this: high sales just means one thing , it attracts the masses . Just look at MW2, one hell of a piece of crap and yet sold much , why? because the masses like simple things .
Fere libenter homines id quod volunt credunt.
Among those who dislike oppression are many who like to oppress.
while he said it in a rather trollish way, the overall point still stands. does it matter? people can spout numbers over and over, thinking it makes their game "the best" when its mostly irrelevant.
copies sold on launch day mean they are sold entirely on hype. copies sold long after launch day show game quality. and before you bash me for hating on blizz, WoW sold and sold for years, because people enjoyed the game, I'm not saying anything bad about the company or the game. just that selling 5million copies of a game, before anyone has played the game shows that the company is good at advertising, not at game development.
Everything creates huge amounts of negativity on the internet, that's what the internet is for: Negativity, porn and lolcats.
I have never played Starcraft, nor do I ever want to. As a matter of fact, I got the beta invite and gave it away. It will pull a few, but it won't have the impact people thinks. And if it does, it will be shortlived like always. A ton of folks quit there MMO to try new games, but they always go back.
I finally realized after a few years I simply don't like RTS games. I think they are fundamentally flawed. Either make a Real Time Tactical like Myth from Bungie or make a real strategy turn based game like Heroes of Might and Magic series.
RTS are just a bastardization that are mediocre at the tactical end and mediocre at the logistical/strategy end. People like them because they are frenetic not because they are good. That freneticness just turns me off. If SC2 is more busy than SC1 I suppose that would be the natural progression.
The only thing I like about starcraft is Blizzard ripped off Games Workshop to a lesser extent, although still to a large extent. The best thing about Blizzard RTS's is that the units say different things when you click on them alot.
Anyway for my money the Myth 1 and 2 are twice as good as starcraft or warcraft. Both in story and gameplay.
Half of South Korea will go on Holiday.....
Or they did play SC1, thought it was ok, and aren't drinking the same 'SC2 is the second coming' kool-aid that Blizz fanbots are drinking.
Did geeks learning nothing from The Phantom Menace? Hype leads to the dark side, and it's never as good as the first time.
Oh, and LAN play, lmao.
Agreed. I do think there's a few good RTS games though. Company of Heroes and the Total War series (although TW has sucky mp). Sadly that's the only ones I can think of.
Sad thing is that really is not the case.. Blizzard was seeking license from Games Workshop but GW (at the time) did not like what they seen and they felt they did not have enough control over the game. So they ended up denying the license to Blizzard. In return Blizzard made the required changes so that the game would not fall under some sort of gray / black hole area as far as the IP goes. They then released the game and road the wave of success it brought.
One could say its bad luck on GW's part. As far the game ripping off something of GW. It does no more then your standard fantasy RPG does DnD. All games start based upon some idea / vision that the creator was inspired by something they seen, experienced, felt, ect.
RTS =/ MMO =/ FPS
Different games for different folks. Don't expect MMO popluation to fall much, if any at all, just because SC2 came out. People who like MMO's won't necessariliy like RTS games like Starcraft 2. People who like FPS games may not necessarily like RTS games. I loved SC1, I'll play SC2 when I have time. But do people realize it's OK to play multiple games, different types of games, without canceling or quitting one or the other?
Luckily for me I'm a nerd and I happen to like all 3 styles of games. So I do play a bit of WoW, a bit of CS:Source, and soon a bit of SC2.
EQ1-AC1-DAOC-FFXI-L2-EQ2-WoW-DDO-GW-LoTR-VG-WAR-GW2-ESO
Pretty much this lol, I liked SC and all and it was fun but I quit playing for a reason. Sure I could pick up the new SC but if it there isn't a drastic difference between SC and SC2 I will likely only have fun for a very short period of time and be done with it in a week or less.
Realistically this is basically a waste of cash, you're buying something you already owned and played to death just because it's seen some minor updates and a graphics overhaul.
Are all the MMOs empty yet?
Playing | GW2
Wanting | Pantheon
Watching | Crowfall
Retired | WAR, Cabal, MO, CO, SHK, WoW, FFXIV: ARR