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World of Warcraft: Only One Thing To Do

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  • neonakaneonaka Smithsburg, MDPosts: 777Member

    Originally posted by Maleus666

    Well, it  helps my decision for no more wait to play Diablo 3. Blizzard is burying the renown  owned along the yeras with good  games and the high quality with  bullshits. I bet tons of players will levae WoW after this decision by Blizzard.

    I bet the opposite, I bet hardly any of them leave. Reinforcing the fact that gaming companies can get away with doing this, which will set up and open a doorway for all gaming companies to do it from now on.

    This isn't the first controversial change Blizzard has ever made. How many people did they lose over the Sparkly horse cash shop shit? Not many at all, but if you watched the forums during  that timeframe would have thought the sky was falling chicken little.

    Nope, this isn't going to change anything, it will go into affect, and the mindless addicted masses will soak it up like hot rays on a white beach.

    Watch and see.

  • happyfartshappyfarts bzPosts: 85Member Uncommon

    on further notice ... apparently you can disable Real ID through parental control nehow so no biggy really ...

  • SavannahEdenSavannahEden no, WIPosts: 4Member

    Congratulations naysayers, you have been defeated.

    http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=25968987278&sid=1

    Banding together, rising up, and shouting our displeasure worked, as it should. Perhaps there is hope left for humanity after all.

    This is only the beginning...

  • KothosesKothoses GalwayPosts: 760Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by Kothoses



    In most walks of life you are correct however in the world of internet subscription gaming a mobilised and vocal section of the consumer base and POTENTIAL consumer base can effect change.  Blizzard need to hear loud and clear that this is unacceptable not just to current customers, but to potential future customers.

     

    They have already alienated me from their forums after issuing me with a 4 day ban for saying "/bump for a nice group of people" on another guilds recruitment ad in our realm forums.  However with this system they have made sure I do not buy cata, do not re-new my wow sub and will not purchase starcraft 3 or diablo 3.  Its not what they are doing thats the issue, its that blizzard control the market, when they "try" something if it works most other mmos follow suit.

     

    Now if they get away with this and sony and Cryptic follow suit, how long untill they are selling your data to third parties?

     

    None of this would have been needed if they had managed their game community properly in the first place, instead of letting them act like little children in a sweet shop.

     

    So no I will not be quiet about it, and neither should you, it was only through mass mobilization of the customer base that facebook backed down at all on their privacy issues, and its only through mass mobilization of customers old new and future that blizzard will back down.


     

     

     

    Just to point out, that what I described above is exactly what happened.

     

    And the result ladies and gentlemen?  So sorry mr Wood, but you were wrong, just like your writers were wrong with the "Customer is not always right" column and various other columns written to be apologists for corporate mmo makers greed.

    Once again People power expressed its self in a way to effect change, learn from this.

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  • Cody_RauhCody_Rauh Colorado Springs, COPosts: 63Member

    You can quit, but the fact remains only countless other players will fill your shoes. Developers know this, they don't care about user retainment rate. They care about your wallet, and how much of it is going to them.

    If they can't have your money, there is always another player from another mmo desperate enough to try it. Eventually players simply end up playing musical chairs for the rest of their mmo career.

    people are addicted to games, and developers know it.

    There is no stopping companies like blizzard from doing what they want, and with peoples addiction to these games, we are all "fucked".

    I don't see much hope for change, we were raised, and molded, and shaped by our society, parents and outside pressures, to be this way.

    While many may not agree to portions or all of this post, in this end we are just slave to the system, one way or another, through tv, food, games etc etc...

    Don't believe me? Try living a day without tv, computers, cell phones, fast food, that new outfit.

    Anyways... I really hope that people find a way to adapt to the system to be happy, cause you can't beat it, and you can't exist outside of it.

    flame as you like, I understand if you don't understand the words I am saying.

     

    cheers!

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  • DAS1337DAS1337 Parma, OHPosts: 2,404Member

    Hahaha.  This just shows the mentality of the average WoW gamer.  QQ I'm gonna quit cuz I have to use my real name QQ.  Seriously?  My name is Brandon Erwin.  Why would I care if you knew it?  People just sound like a bunch of whining politicians.  It's sad.

  • SavannahEdenSavannahEden no, WIPosts: 4Member

    Originally posted by DAS1337 Hahaha.  This just shows the mentality of the average WoW gamer.  QQ I'm gonna quit cuz I have to use my real name QQ.  Seriously?  My name is Brandon Erwin.  Why would I care if you knew it?  People just sound like a bunch of whining politicians.  It's sad.

    This is why people don't want their names on the internet sir. Maybe you should STFU when you don't know what you're talking about:  http://seewhatyoudidthere.com/2010/07/07/realid-changes-the-very-real-ease-of-stalking-in-the-internet-age/

    This is only the beginning...

  • Duster505Duster505 OsloPosts: 66Member

    Now that this is all over and John was proven wrong :D

    REAL ID does not in any way verify that you are the person you claim you are.  This is something that everyone needs to realise now.  John Wood playing on his battlenet account could be 12 year old girl - or 90 year old alien.  Cause Blizzard has no methods of verifying if you are actually the person that you claim you are. 

    So plz... Remember this - if you are talking to a 15 year old girl through REAL ID system.  This could be 40 year old looney.  That was the most dangerous part of this all.  Blizzard claimed that ppl were actually talking under their own first and last name - when the company had no - and still has no way of verifying the true name of the user.

  • Hrayr2148Hrayr2148 Burbank, CAPosts: 649Member

    Continue to Play world of warcraft but refuse to use any portion/component of the game that requires the disclosure of your true name.

     

    If I can keep my anonymity, or control it to a ceratin extent, then I'll continue playing.  IF I have the option of showing in game friends and family my real name to chat and communicate, then that's not an issue.  It would be exactly like Facebook.  But if you tell me that my ability to use your OFFICIAL forums REQUIRES that I use my true name, then I won't be using that portion of your service.

     

    I'm disapointed in Blizzard and I believe if this goes through, people WILL be hurt in real life.  I won't partake in any of that. 

     

    On another note, I'm a professional, and I carefully guard who gets to see my name and where they can see it.  I don't want future employers to google my name only to see all the posts I made for a game.  I believe playing video games and being good at my job have nothing to do with each other.  Future employers might think otherwise.

     

    I won't take that chance....

  • Benaiah21Benaiah21 Beaverton, ORPosts: 14Member

    Originally posted by LadyAlibi

    Originally posted by Kyleran

    Unlike John, my name is very unqiue and its far too easy for people to locate me therefore while he might not care, it matters a great deal to me.

     

    I am in that boat too. If you type "Jon Wood" Facebook search, you probably have several to choose from. If you put my name in there, you get me. Just me.  If you google my name, everything that comes on the first several pages of hits is me and stuff I have posted under my own name. 

     

    Re: People complaining and quitting:

    I have noticed that some changes cause people to flee from a game-- I hate to bring it up anywhere, but there was that SWG NGE thing that seemed to cause a fairly large exodus. It doesn't even matter that the policy didn't change when those people left because it no longer applied to them. They go play other games and SOE doesn't get their money. 

    On the other hand, back when EQ1 was still all the rage,  there were protests from time to time, in game and in the forums, and sometimes things got changed, but mostly they didn't. People would throw fits about problems with or changes to their classes, swearing they'd quit, but mostly they didn't-- they just switched to a different class. So, it does seem true that people will rant and froth all over the forums and in-game, but don't actually quit. 

     

    SOE didn't listen to their own detriment.  They really caused the too early demise of EQ1 by not listening to their playerbase.  And when they did, it was too little too late because WoW hit the market and there was finally another game out that with enough to compete with them.  They didn't listen because they, in their minds, didn't have too.  Their was no competition for their money at the time.  I strongely feel that if they did, EQ would've lasted strongely at least 2-3 more years.  And sure, it's still around, but when the valve opened for people to leave, it was soon a floodgate.

     

    Something like the whole RealID thing couldv've been that valve for SC2 and WoW.  And, no offense to OP, not everyone has a name where there are thousands of possibles.  Blizzard retracted the use of Real Name 'at this time' today and it's a good move.  It at least from a small standpoint says they listened.

     

    However, I don't think it's because they wanted to, I think they thought it over in terms of money.  Some people left, lots of people cancelled pre-orders from stores and from them directly.  Enough outcry about it on their forums where people posted names and 5 minutes later, there were lots of personal histories, addresses, etc...  Though some of it not readily available ot the average person, but put into the hands of people that would use that information, it could be dangerous.  I firmly believe that if they went through with RealID+real names, at least 25% of SC2 sales would evaporate, and probably 10-15% of the WoW population would leave.  And when you talk about 10-15% of the WoW population, in terms of the financials, it's really straight out of the bottom line of profits, because servers won't shut down, thus overhead costs won't lessen.  It directly effects Blizzards profits, and for them, that really is the issue.

  • WrenderWrender Conway, ARPosts: 1,386Member

    Lots of exciting things are happening over at LotRO, which is a much better game anyways.

  • qombiqombi Unknown, LAPosts: 1,180Member

    Originally posted by Kothoses

    Originally posted by Kothoses



    In most walks of life you are correct however in the world of internet subscription gaming a mobilised and vocal section of the consumer base and POTENTIAL consumer base can effect change.  Blizzard need to hear loud and clear that this is unacceptable not just to current customers, but to potential future customers.

     

    They have already alienated me from their forums after issuing me with a 4 day ban for saying "/bump for a nice group of people" on another guilds recruitment ad in our realm forums.  However with this system they have made sure I do not buy cata, do not re-new my wow sub and will not purchase starcraft 3 or diablo 3.  Its not what they are doing thats the issue, its that blizzard control the market, when they "try" something if it works most other mmos follow suit.

     

    Now if they get away with this and sony and Cryptic follow suit, how long untill they are selling your data to third parties?

     

    None of this would have been needed if they had managed their game community properly in the first place, instead of letting them act like little children in a sweet shop.

     

    So no I will not be quiet about it, and neither should you, it was only through mass mobilization of the customer base that facebook backed down at all on their privacy issues, and its only through mass mobilization of customers old new and future that blizzard will back down.


     

     

     

    Just to point out, that what I described above is exactly what happened.

     

    And the result ladies and gentlemen?  So sorry mr Wood, but you were wrong, just like your writers were wrong with the "Customer is not always right" column and various other columns written to be apologists for corporate mmo makers greed.

    Once again People power expressed its self in a way to effect change, learn from this.

    People screamed about other changes as well. How do you know many did not do just as Jon Wood has stated to do? Maybe many many voiced their concerns and then did quit. Maybe in the past people only made their voice heard and did not actually quit. Who knows what drove them to change their minds.

    There was also people sending letters to companies that advertise on Blizzard's website. Maybe they got worried and contacted Blizzard. We can't know for sure what caused the withdraw. I believe Jon Wood could be right.

  • dragonbranddragonbrand Long Beach, CAPosts: 412Member Uncommon

    I think an outspoken player base required Blizzard to re-assess the situation. The loud and wide ranging effect of the outspoken masses reached major media markets and their accounting of the player base's sentiment help lend weight to the situation. When the general populace starts to hear about interent security issues their ears perk up and they take notice. Blizzard had to take notice. When a large piece of the player base calls for game change and it doesnt reach the major media and therefore people that dont play MMOs, the power of the player bases is less significant.

    For this issue Mr. Wood was wrong, in most other cases, he would be right.

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  • birdycephonbirdycephon Salt Lake City, UTPosts: 1,314Member

    I love WoW.  I've had some good times in that game. I've since anceled my subscription, but I plan on resubscribing when Catalysm hits, since I've got like 5 free months saved up from the WoW Visa card I got.

    I really don't mind all the non-combat pets. I even got some myself. I even got the sparkly horse mount, which I think is really cool.

    So yeah, maybe I'll see some of ya in-game on Cataclysm.

  • ReianorReianor MoscowPosts: 38Member

    An article says "don't rant, act!" and gets followed by ranting... ironic...

    Is it that important for you people to lash at each others opinions?

    Is it hard to accept the fact that there are other viewpoints on the globe?

    Do you even think that stating opinions here has a ounce of importance?

    And yet people are so riled up.

    Humanity is a strange bunch...

  • ZebladeZeblade Colorado Springs, COPosts: 926Member

    sure says dont rant yet he says basicly if you dont like it leave. Thank God Blizzard dont talk childish. And update the review.  There is no forums ID.

  • HrothmundHrothmund HelsinkiPosts: 1,061Member

    Originally posted by Reianor

    An article says "don't rant, act!" and gets followed by ranting... ironic...

    Is it that important for you people to lash at each others opinions?

    Is it hard to accept the fact that there are other viewpoints on the globe?

    Do you even think that stating opinions here has a ounce of importance?

    And yet people are so riled up.

    Humanity is a strange bunch...

    Opinions stated on the official forums and other media made Blizzard cancel the implementation of RealID, so yes opinions voiced here can have an effect.

  • OscillateOscillate Garrett, KYPosts: 207Member


    First, I'd like to say that while I can appreciate the massive storm of hate that has poured down on Blizzard since this announcement was made, both on their official forums and on third party forums like ours, I honestly don't think that this is going to get the job done.

    LOL... 1 day later...

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  • ThomasN7ThomasN7 87.18.7.148 1, NJPosts: 6,690Member

    Glad to see the mmorpg.com did not buckle under and do the "i'm a fanboi routine" this time around. Less fanbois make better forums and better games. Kudos to you mmorpg.com! :D

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  • OscillateOscillate Garrett, KYPosts: 207Member

    And not that I ever agree with childish ranting, for the information of "Jon Wood", these styles of ranting have gotten so many class changes done.  Not just class changes either.  PVP changes, gear, etc.  Blizzard are notorius for listening the the whine, that is, if it comes in a big enough package of subscribers.  God help them if they slip to 10.9 million subscribers.

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  • sancher36sancher36 housePosts: 457Member

    My question is this:

    Will this carry over to wow armory where you do character searches - possible that will reveal your real name too???

  • NinjaGazNinjaGaz MacclesfieldPosts: 53Member Common

    Strange article as you don't actually explain what this program is. Google it is, but there should have been something here about it!

  • jpaprockijpaprocki Davisville, WVPosts: 269Member Uncommon

    Point is mute now since they backed off their decision. 

    I understand why they were thinking of doing it.  Now days people are too comfortable  behind an anonymous avatar saying whatever they like about whatever, true or not.  "I'm not gods gift to computing, but I play one on the internet".  If you have nothing to hide then most likely you wouldn't worry about using your real name.

    As far as the argument goes about a nut job hunting you down  based on your real name, I very much doubt it.  Real names are required in every day life and many things throughout the internet.  If someone really wanted to hunt you down, they could, even without your real name.

    Stop acting childish on the forums (and games in general in many cases) and companies wont have to threaten to do this kind of thing.  Of course most of the people who play WoW are children so I guess that is what we have to expect.

    I'm not an IT Specialist, Game Developer, or Clairvoyant in real life, but like others on here, I play one on the internet.

  • FiredornFiredorn Montreal, QCPosts: 93Member

    Originally posted by jpaprocki

    Point is mute now since they backed off their decision. 

    I understand why they were thinking of doing it.  Now days people are too comfortable  behind an anonymous avatar saying whatever they like about whatever, true or not.  "I'm not gods gift to computing, but I play one on the internet".  If you have nothing to hide then most likely you wouldn't worry about using your real name.

    As far as the argument goes about a nut job hunting you down  based on your real name, I very much doubt it.  Real names are required in every day life and many things throughout the internet.  If someone really wanted to hunt you down, they could, even without your real name.

    Stop acting childish on the forums (and games in general in many cases) and companies wont have to threaten to do this kind of thing.  Of course most of the people who play WoW are children so I guess that is what we have to expect.

    http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=25968987278&sid=1

    Explained there....^^^

    In any case, as much as I agree that using real names would curb stupid and childish behaviour, I would worry about privacy issues.  Then again, I would sooner not post on the forums then quit the game (if I were still playing).  I don't necessarily want any jack ass knowing my real name and such.

  • WarmakerWarmaker San Diego, CAPosts: 2,231Member

    Just when I thought the MMO industry couldn't sink any lower, Blizzard comes out and does this.  Ha!  So much for a reputable company.

    "I have only two out of my company and 20 out of some other company. We need support, but it is almost suicide to try to get it here as we are swept by machine gun fire and a constant barrage is on us. I have no one on my left and only a few on my right. I will hold." (First Lieutenant Clifton B. Cates, US Marine Corps, Soissons, 19 July 1918)

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