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  • majimaji ColognePosts: 2,057Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Xondar123

    Originally posted by maji

    Originally posted by Xondar123

    How exactly is this illegal? You said yourself that it's just altering files on your own computer.

    Only because something is on your computer, it doesn't mean that you can violate rights associated to it.

    The physical thing on your personal computer has rights now? Is it wrong to keep MMO slaves? Am I murdering my games when I uninstall them? Am I violating Oblivion in horrible ways when I install mods on it?

    Can you point me to the relevant government statutes in any nation that says that modifying a piece of software on my own personal computer for my own private use is illegal?

    So you seriously think I will now browse websites and stuff in search of quotes for something that you wouldn't believe anyway? Get your lazy ass moving and check it yourself. There are lots of rights associated with software, and who has the right to change it.

    Or just read the stuff you press "I accept" to every so often when you play MMORPGs. Even if you have the game installed on your computer, it's still not your intellectual property. If the company which developed the game says "don't mod it unless in the ways we allow you to", then you have to accept it. If you accept it and still do stuff the company told you not to, then you'll of course not in jail, but you are violating their rights and they can do stuff like banning you from their game. Not to mention that stuff like nude patches damage the reputation of the company.

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  • Xondar123Xondar123 None of Your Business, BCPosts: 2,543Member
    Originally posted by maji

    Originally posted by Xondar123

    Originally posted by maji

    Originally posted by Xondar123

    How exactly is this illegal? You said yourself that it's just altering files on your own computer.

    Only because something is on your computer, it doesn't mean that you can violate rights associated to it.

    The physical thing on your personal computer has rights now? Is it wrong to keep MMO slaves? Am I murdering my games when I uninstall them? Am I violating Oblivion in horrible ways when I install mods on it?

    Can you point me to the relevant government statutes in any nation that says that modifying a piece of software on my own personal computer for my own private use is illegal?

    So you seriously think I will now browse websites and stuff in search of quotes for something that you wouldn't believe anyway? Get your lazy ass moving and check it yourself. There are lots of rights associated with software, and who has the right to change it.

    Or just read the stuff you press "I accept" to every so often when you play MMORPGs. Even if you have the game installed on your computer, it's still not your intellectual property. If the company which developed the game says "don't mod it unless in the ways we allow you to", then you have to accept it. If you accept it and still do stuff the company told you not to, then you'll of course not in jail, but you are violating their rights and they can do stuff like banning you from their game. Not to mention that stuff like nude patches damage the reputation of the company.

     

    Now you're talking about an EULA or End User Licence Agreement. These have, in no way, shape or form, the backing a law behind them. I can't be fined or go to jail for violating an EULA. The worst they could do is try to sue me, though I'm not sure how they would know I violated an EULA by installing a patch to make my character nude on my own computer without in any way altering the game experience.

    If the company asks me to do something, I by no means have to do it. If this was the case then sneaky companies could put a clause in their EULAs saying that I agree to only ever use their products and services for the rest of my life. If the company asks me to not mod their game, and I do anyway, they can't call the police and have me arrested, they can't have me fined or brought to court unless they tried to sue me in a civil manner.

    Some people have an odd definition of the word "illegal."

    Edit: Again, you've just pointed me toward the EULA, you haven't shown me any government statute in any nation making this sort of thing illegal.

  • BloodaxesBloodaxes ZabbarPosts: 3,329Member Rare

    ^ You read his post wrong he said you WON'T go in prison but you are violating their rights and they could do something like banning you from the game.


  • GravargGravarg Harker Heights, TXPosts: 3,400Member Uncommon

    It's not illegal, but it is against the EULA.  Most of them state somewhere in it that changing of certain files (determined by the developer) will be deemed "illegal" and the user may be removed from play....but I've never heard of any game that has ever done it, except for first person shooters, I miss playing CS and Combat Arms with my bright green model substitutes :)

  • Xondar123Xondar123 None of Your Business, BCPosts: 2,543Member
    Originally posted by bloodaxes


    ^ You read his post wrong he said you WON'T go in prison but you are violating their rights and they could do something like banning you from the game.

     

    "Banning you from the game" is not the same thing as "illegal."

    My original question was "How is this illegal?"

  • BloodaxesBloodaxes ZabbarPosts: 3,329Member Rare
    Originally posted by Xondar123

    Originally posted by bloodaxes


    ^ You read his post wrong he said you WON'T go in prison but you are violating their rights and they could do something like banning you from the game.

    "Banning you from the game" is not the same thing as "illegal."

    My original question was "How is this illegal?"

    If you do something illegal and instead of going to jail you have the option to pay x amount of money to be free again it's still not illegal for you?

    If you mod a game were you agreed you can't mod in your doing something illegal on their game.

    It's like saying x guy stole a pie but z guy robbed a house both are illegal in their ways but different punishments.


  • AIMonsterAIMonster Apopka, FLPosts: 2,059Member

    You all have a very narrow defintion of the word illegal.  Illegal means not permitted by rules set in place.  Something that is illegal can be refering to a law or as simple as something as a breach of the game rules.

    EX:  Moving a piece in chess where a piece is not permitted to go within it's ruleset is an "illegal move".

    IT IS ILLEGAL.  It is against the ToS.  It's modifying software.  Technically they could even pursue legal action against you (similarly to how Blizzard did against Glider, but this is quite mild compared to that) if they wanted to, but it's more beneficial to them to just ban you (their case would look pretty stupid in court).  They definitely aren't likely going to do it to you if you install a nude patch because 1.  They probably won't find out.  2.  It doesn't effect gameplay, so they probably don't care much whether you do or don't.  Model editting would be met with a much harasser penalty, probably a ban.  When you hit "I agree" on that ToS you are entering a legal contract, don't you know?

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  • tehikktehikk Mound, MNPosts: 497Member

    Bewbs!

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  • majimaji ColognePosts: 2,057Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Xondar123

    My original question was "How is this illegal?"

     

    I'm german so I  don't know about international laws. But manipulating software without beeing specifically allowed to do so is a violation of the Urheberrecht (literally "right of the creator",the german version of the copyright). Violeting it is a crime. For example removing a softwares copy protection can result in fees or up to 5 years of jail.

    Now stop beeing so naive and claim that manipulating software you are not supposed to manipulate is legal.

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  • Xondar123Xondar123 None of Your Business, BCPosts: 2,543Member
    Originally posted by maji

    Originally posted by Xondar123

    My original question was "How is this illegal?"

     

    I'm german so I  don't know about international laws. But manipulating software without beeing specifically allowed to do so is a violation of the Urheberrecht (literally "right of the creator",the german version of the copyright). Violeting it is a crime. For example removing a softwares copy protection can result in fees or up to 5 years of jail.

    Now stop beeing so naive and claim that manipulating software you are not supposed to manipulate is legal.

     

    In that case, it's what is known in legal jargon as an "unenforceable law." How are they ever going to know that I've altered game files on my computer? This is like making a law saying that it's illegal for me to underline passages and write in the margins of a book.

  • nagash303nagash303 ViennaPosts: 20Member

    ok so I found that lvl14 Tunika in dead sea lately. It was perfect for my rogue twink so I send it over to her. Now guess what it looks like:

    Tunika

    with these looks i dont need any nude patch ^^

     

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  • AIMonsterAIMonster Apopka, FLPosts: 2,059Member
    Originally posted by Xondar123

    Originally posted by maji

    Originally posted by Xondar123

    My original question was "How is this illegal?"

     

    I'm german so I  don't know about international laws. But manipulating software without beeing specifically allowed to do so is a violation of the Urheberrecht (literally "right of the creator",the german version of the copyright). Violeting it is a crime. For example removing a softwares copy protection can result in fees or up to 5 years of jail.

    Now stop beeing so naive and claim that manipulating software you are not supposed to manipulate is legal.

     

    In that case, it's what is known in legal jargon as an "unenforceable law." How are they ever going to know that I've altered game files on my computer? This is like making a law saying that it's illegal for me to underline passages and write in the margins of a book.

     

    It's still illegal, despite if you can get caught or not or despite if it's an actual law or just a violation of a game ruleset.  Blizzard's Warden program will check for changes in models, prevent you from logging in, and send a message to Blizzard letting them know you tried (so they can take whatever action they want against you).  I don't see why Allod's couldn't have a program like this (from what I've read it doesn't, just anti-breakpoints for hackers) in the future....  So it's far from unenforceable.

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  • JarnaJarna -Posts: 75Member

    Nice find :D

  • IchmenIchmen Winnipeg, MBPosts: 1,228Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Xondar123

    Originally posted by maji

    Originally posted by Xondar123

    My original question was "How is this illegal?"

     

    I'm german so I  don't know about international laws. But manipulating software without beeing specifically allowed to do so is a violation of the Urheberrecht (literally "right of the creator",the german version of the copyright). Violeting it is a crime. For example removing a softwares copy protection can result in fees or up to 5 years of jail.

    Now stop beeing so naive and claim that manipulating software you are not supposed to manipulate is legal.

     

    In that case, it's what is known in legal jargon as an "unenforceable law." How are they ever going to know that I've altered game files on my computer? This is like making a law saying that it's illegal for me to underline passages and write in the margins of a book.



     

    i know your just trying to troll and clearly have no real idea how video games truely work. but ill humor you abit.

    they can find out IF you used modded content on your game by simply releasing a client side file that disables your client while the mods are in place. all those great game update files, are easy enough to slip one in there. ontop of that, im sure it wouldnt be hard to scan you computer for illegal files via the updater.

    BUT and the BIG but, that most teenybopers use for their little modding. is the privacy act law, that most countries issue to their people. basicly it prevents a company from gaining access to your computer remotely, as well as denying them the right to search or seize your property without a legal warrent issued by a justice of the peace (judge).

    SO the companies go the simple route of just issuing a file to check if your files are tamperd with. and if it dings it blocks your client from connecting. as well if they are able to pull it off, they just block your account/IP from their server.

    the sort of modding of textures for enjoyment (which this whole topic is about) is like rung 10 of the important ban account for modding ladder. the more important ones are like glider or the run of the mill.. wall/speed/cool down hacks that mod the client for completely unfair and illegal advantages.

    so if you use a texture mod. meh... your going to get a stern talking to if anything cause frankly even if its illegal by copyright laws its not really super important for companies.

    mod the game so you can teleport at will and ya.. you will get a visit.

     

    OH and just to put a nail in your coffin.  the modification of ANY property that does not belong to you is a violation of several laws. there is the private property laws, copy right laws. and many others i can recall right now. BUT each country has diffrent laws and statures that goven it and its people. as well, you dont actually own any of your games. you just paid to provide a storage place for them.... in all honestly... games are copyrighted to the developer and publisher. people who buy them do not own 0.000001% of any of the game. they just paid to play it and store the game in their house...

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  • BertiauxBertiaux Pacific Northwest, WAPosts: 122Member
    Originally posted by Xondar123

    Originally posted by mlauzon


    None of the articles about this even say where to get it.

     

    This is vital information that no competent journalist would ever leave out of their article.

    Well, since these articles are opinion pieces and therefore NOT journalism, no competent journalist would be caught dead writing them...

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  • candirucandiru Porto AlegrePosts: 1Member

      It always amazes me about how much hatred nude patches bring out. Seriously, why are some people so bothered about it?  I downloaded an Allods on Line nude patch and use it in my PC. With it, I can see my female toons(of course, all my toons are female) fully nude when I strip them naked.

      No, I can´t see any NPCs or other people´s chars nude. Only mine. So, why so many people get so angry about it? It doens´t affect gameplay, it doesn´t give me any sort of illegal advantage over others, so it only concerns me if I want to see or not my hot pixel chicks in the nude.

      Before anyone can say, no, I am not some teenage wanker with a geeky look. I´m on my thirties, married and had a lot of girlfriends before I get married. I am only having fun. Nobody is a perv or a sexual predator because he likes to see a hot chick naked. Even if she´s made of pixels.

      People that complain about nude patches seem to me they have serious issues about their bodies and their sexuality. Because they don´t get satisfied of not using it, they want nobody to do the same. Pointless concern about other people´s business.

      I would even support the idea that every adult look MMO should have an original nude patch within, available to be unlocked by the player, if he is responsable for his actions, or his parents, if not.

  • SovrathSovrath Boston Area, MAPosts: 20,543Member Epic

    Originally posted by Deleted User



    Originally posted by Ichmen



    Originally posted by Esther-Chan


    You could always download the AoC unlimited trial. Not only do you get to play to your heart's content, but you can run around naked as either Male or Female, and all the characters are well endowed. It's a pervert's fantasy! Walk softly and carry a big stick, and an even Bigger stick.. if you know what I mean *wink*.



     

    it would be simpler to play Mortal Online.. as they have fully atticulated male/female bodies and as far as i understand it you do not need DX10/11 to unlock that set of skin textures (havent played MO mind you so i dont really know)

    either way... it bags the question... why gamers really need to have nudity in their games ... isnt porn... or wife/gf/bedmate... simply easier O_o??

     

    That's like asking why people need to read Hentai when real porn is *real*. The point is, who cares? Everyone has their fetishes. Go to deviantart.com and search for "Night Elf and Draenei" and I promise you that you'll find at least 100 pictures of night elf on Draenei action.

    I think it's important to add that erotica didn't start with the photograph.

    I've oftentimes seen the whole "why would anyone want to see nude pixels" argument. But nudity when it is represented by charcoal or water color or wood cut is better? I mean, the Kama Sutra is considered one of the preeminent erotic works of our species and there is not a photo in it.

    Sexualizing something is in my opinion not a bad thing provided that it is not forced upon another person. Everyone has there own comort zone for such things.

    But if someone adds a nude patch I highly doubt they are sitting at that computer (for the most part) and reachign new heights of nirvana.

    Heck, if people want to see sick just watch the movie "Crumb" and find out what Robert Crumb used to do to depictions of bugs bunny.

    Now whether or not the software companies want someone changing their software is another thing.  But I don't think that anyone installing a nude patch is a perv or needs to find a partner. It's just a different aesthetic sense.

  • dsmealey29dsmealey29 Buffalo, NYPosts: 1Member
    hmmm..... lst i checked this was a thread about the nude patch.... not a thread for squabling over legal issues...... Now does anybody have a download link? or a website that HAS the patch?
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