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  • FishermageFishermage Newtown, CTPosts: 7,562Member


    Originally posted by Dracis

    Originally posted by kb056

    Originally posted by Dracis

    You know, I don't remember him. Did he have anything to do with the NGE? I would hate for any of us here to be thankful for someone who had to leave any company due to personal reasons.


    Neither the Cu nor the NGE could have been implimented without his say so.

    You're right. He and Smedly were both to blame. Here's an old interview which explains what I'm talking about : http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/starwarsgalaxiesstarterkit/news_6140991.html
    I know that interview has been linked here before, but it's been awhile. I guess I need to Google first before I post  image
    While I personally view Jim as at least partially (or maybe mostly) responsible for the NGE, this interview was a classic example of Smedley's old "It came from LA" blameshift game he has been playing since day one. The only problems I have with that theory is, as the experts in the field, it was up to Smedley to explain to Jim why they COULD NOT DO THIS to MMO customers.

    Also, I know people who still won't play SOE games because they did this to Everquest. To "NGE" games is an SOE tactic; therefore, I'm not completely sold on Smedley's blameshifting tactics.

    Should LEC have done their homework? sure. Should THEY have shown more concern for the fans? of course. Was Jim Ward a fool for this? He was at least that.

    I just don't know exactly HOW much he knew, what he knew when he knew it, or if he was just in over his head here. Smedley, however, KNEW BETTER, and did a bad thing knowingly. that's far worse.
    Either way, I never wish anyone ill will -- I wish him a long and prosperous career as long as he isn't screwing up MY games. I hope he learns from his mistakes and grows.


  • SavageLoreSavageLore Fairborn, OHPosts: 22Member

    Yeah several games were pushed then shelved or altered as LA tried to go bcak to some of it's winning material.

     

    Sam & Max is worked on then stopped then came out as esp. based small released from the web. 

     

    Full Throttle is worked on for quite some time then all of a sudden stopped and shelved.

     

     

    Along with this then there are games that like the Xwing/TIE series and how the major peopled to make a new one but it never happened.  LA likes to limit their AW releases per year and they believed the age of flight sims was over so ignored a very strong series.

    LA started focusing on game types that were selling and tried to make an SW clone,  some worked some flopped.

     

    Here is hoping a new chief gets LA and their gaming back into business.

  • WarmakerWarmaker San Diego, CAPosts: 2,231Member

     

    Originally posted by Dracis


     
    Originally posted by kb056

    Originally posted by Dracis


    You know, I don't remember him. Did he have anything to do with the NGE? I would hate for any of us here to be thankful for someone who had to leave any company due to personal reasons.

    Neither the Cu nor the NGE could have been implimented without his say so.


    You're right. He and Smedly were both to blame. Here's an old interview which explains what I'm talking about : http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/starwarsgalaxiesstarterkit/news_6140991.html

     

    I know that interview has been linked here before, but it's been awhile. I guess I need to Google first before I post 



    Nice little link.  As a big Star Wars fan and model builder, you gave me another great reason to celebrate this man's departure.  From that article you linked, there's this tidbit of info, from the horse's (Smed's) mouth:

     

    "A lot of people don't realize, but in addition to running LucasArts, Jim also runs all of marketing for all of LucasFilm. This guy knows Star Wars like nobody knows Star Wars. He knows this brand and what it's capable of delivering. Jim has been a great partner and has been working with us really closely."

    LucasFilm Lmtd runs the licensing and all that for products related to Star Wars.  That's a given.  But model builders have been frustrated for years with lackluster products.  The only things for years were those 1980s AMT kits, which are inaccurate and horribly engineered, even for the model standards of the day.  I still recall having the Biker Scout + Speederbike kit as a kid, and holy jeez was it horrible.  When you have a 10 year old model builder who says a kit is s**t, it's sh**t.  Today's standards?  Pfft...

    Anyways, Star Wars modellers have been left for so long in the backburner.  It's only very, very recently with a Japanese company called FineMoulds who got a license to produce SW kits.  They do a good job, they started in 1/72 and then just moved into 1/48 with the X-Wing.  Their kit lineup with Star Wars is small and they usually cover Starfighters.  But what they've done is good.

    Revell Germany has put out recent model kits for Star Wars also, predominantly Ep.III stuff.  But I was dismayed at the inaccuracies, lack of detailing.  Yes, they're snaptogether, but holy jeez snapkits CAN look pretty good these days.  These things?  Look like bad toys.  If I wanted a d**n toy, I'd buy an already preassembled toy!  They also released in the past few months a group of Original Trilogy era kits.  But they're rescaled versions of the 1980s kits.

    In the sci-fi modelling world, we've asked:  "Why can't we get good quality Star Wars model kits?"

    Answer:  LFL asks for far too much, and an accurate model kit would step into the world of "Replicas."

    D**n them to hell.

    Model kits in the 1990's have shot up in quality.  Model kits since 2000, especially these days, are detailed, well engineered, etc.  Some companies can put out "multimedia" kits.  Dragon for instance has tank models with styrene parts, photoetch detailing parts, and metal (aluminum / brass) parts for sturdiness when required.  For instance, a good quality German Tiger I tank would cost roughly $40 USD.  They're not exactly small kits either.  A Tamiya 1/32 F-14A is a few years old, but very nice today and looks great right out of the box with no aftermarket parts.  It costs $90-$100 USD, depending on where you go.  But it's a HUGE kit.

    What would Star Wars modellers put out for a good kit?  We've been DYING to get something like the Imperial Star Destroyer, AT-AT, or other non-starfighter subject given the proper attention it deserves.  But LFL won't allow the kit makers to do so, if they don't fork out exhorbitant money to them.

    When fans have made their own Star Wars kits and produce them for other fans to enjoy, they naturally get the "Cease and Desist" from LFL.  SMT's AT-AT, as I recalled, was about $200 USD.  But they were forced to stop.  Next thing you know, Master Replicas comes out with the $1000 USD replica.  Other SMT Star Wars kits that were halted in production:

    SMT AT-AT cs.finescale.com/forums/800498/ShowPost.aspx or www.starwarsmodels.com/atats.html

    SMT 1/48 Y-Wing www.starwarsmodels.com/ywingsmt.html

    SMT 1/48 X-Wing www.starwarsmodels.com/xwingsmt.html

    SMT 1/48 TIE Defender (for you "TIE Fighter" fans of the PC) www.starwarsmodels.com/tiedf.html

    SMT 1/48 TIE Bomber www.starwarsmodels.com/tiebs.html

    SMT 1/48 TIE Avenger www.starwarsmodels.com/tiev.html

    SMT 1/48 A-Wing www.starwarsmodels.com/awings.html

    SMT 1/48 B-Wing www.starwarsmodels.com/bwings.html

    Should I go on?  These were good kits, d**nit!  D**n LFL and their greed.  I know the problem persisted before Ward, but he DID continue the problem.

    "I have only two out of my company and 20 out of some other company. We need support, but it is almost suicide to try to get it here as we are swept by machine gun fire and a constant barrage is on us. I have no one on my left and only a few on my right. I will hold." (First Lieutenant Clifton B. Cates, US Marine Corps, Soissons, 19 July 1918)

  • ShanniaShannia Huntingdon, NYPosts: 2,096Member

    Originally posted by salvaje


    I think one of the reasons why Smed hasn't moved up or moved on is...  Well, his performance.  It's been pretty atrocious for years now.  He's lost more than half his customers across ALL games in the last 2 years.
    Who would want to hire him?  What in his record as SOE president would make him attractive to any other company in a similar or greater role (such as CEO)?
    Nothing that I've seen.  Smed is a "Peter principle" guy.  He's been promoted to the position where he is incompetent, and he will stay there until fired.
     

    WTF do you get your information.  Look at the Sony financials and most importantly, look at SOE.  His part of SOE is the ONLY profitable one.  If anything, Smed should be the only CEO of the Sony companies that gets a bonus.  SOE, like it or not, does what they are suppose to do very effectively, and that is give return on investment (ROI) to investors.  Smed will move up within Sony before they'll ever fire him.  Like it or not, Smed is one of the most successful CEOs in the MMORPG community.

    Just because you (like myself) got screwed with the NGE/CU with your Jedi doesn't mean you need to knock Smed.   It is a documented fact that LA called for the NGE.   The only one to blame is Mr. Lucas.

     

    Fear not fanbois, we are not trolls, let's take off your tin foil hat and learn what VAPORWARE is:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporware

    "Vaporware is a term used to describe a software or hardware product that is announced by a developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge after having well exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product."

  • FishermageFishermage Newtown, CTPosts: 7,562Member


    Originally posted by Shannia
    Originally posted by salvaje I think one of the reasons why Smed hasn't moved up or moved on is...  Well, his performance.  It's been pretty atrocious for years now.  He's lost more than half his customers across ALL games in the last 2 years.
    Who would want to hire him?  What in his record as SOE president would make him attractive to any other company in a similar or greater role (such as CEO)?
    Nothing that I've seen.  Smed is a "Peter principle" guy.  He's been promoted to the position where he is incompetent, and he will stay there until fired.
     
    WTF do you get your information.  Look at the Sony financials and most importantly, look at SOE.  His part of SOE is the ONLY profitable one.  If anything, Smed should be the only CEO of the Sony companies that gets a bonus.  SOE, like it or not, does what they are suppose to do very effectively, and that is give return on investment (ROI) to investors.  Smed will move up within Sony before they'll ever fire him.  Like it or not, Smed is one of the most successful CEOs in the MMORPG community.
    Just because you (like myself) got screwed with the NGE/CU with your Jedi doesn't mean you need to knock Smed.   It is a documented fact that LA called for the NGE.   The only one to blame is Mr. Lucas.
     

    Please, show me the documentation. LA in no way called for the NGE and that has never been proven; in fact it flies in the face of all the facts I have seen and heard from speaking with several of the participants. They certainly called for a change, and they certainly approved of it; but I know for a fact that they didn't call for the NGE.

    Please, if you do have some documentation, I would like to see it.

  • akevvakevv Harvest, ALPosts: 208Member


    Originally posted by Shannia
    Originally posted by salvaje I think one of the reasons why Smed hasn't moved up or moved on is...  Well, his performance.  It's been pretty atrocious for years now.  He's lost more than half his customers across ALL games in the last 2 years.
    Who would want to hire him?  What in his record as SOE president would make him attractive to any other company in a similar or greater role (such as CEO)?
    Nothing that I've seen.  Smed is a "Peter principle" guy.  He's been promoted to the position where he is incompetent, and he will stay there until fired.
     
    WTF do you get your information.  Look at the Sony financials and most importantly, look at SOE.  His part of SOE is the ONLY profitable one.  If anything, Smed should be the only CEO of the Sony companies that gets a bonus.  SOE, like it or not, does what they are suppose to do very effectively, and that is give return on investment (ROI) to investors.  Smed will move up within Sony before they'll ever fire him.  Like it or not, Smed is one of the most successful CEOs in the MMORPG community.
    Just because you (like myself) got screwed with the NGE/CU with your Jedi doesn't mean you need to knock Smed.   It is a documented fact that LA called for the NGE.   The only one to blame is Mr. Lucas.
     

    Shannia,

    I beg to differ regarding your assertions about SOE and its contribution to Sony overall. SOE has lost at least half of its subscriptions over all of its games in recent years. SOE is a division of Sony Pictures and does NOT report its results separately from this division. Getting results from any of the divisions is limited to shareholders of Sony, through a prospectus. As a CEO, Smedley has been a slightly negative presence for SOE. SOE has gone from the number one producer of MMO's to an also ran under his watch. Both Blizzard and NCSoft dwarf SOE's sales now.

    Your SOE fanboi underwear are showing. Better tuck them back in...

    Akevv Ostone
    No Longer SWG Free :(

  • KzinKillerKzinKiller Seattle, WAPosts: 625Member

    I assume that Smedley has stayed on at SOE because his resume goes straight into the shredder of any company with an open position paying anything close to what he makes today.

    The only company I can see hiring him is Hudsucker Industries if they open a gaming division:

    "What we need now is a new president who will inspire panic in the stockholder!"

    Smed is their man.

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  • MathosMathos clinton, MAPosts: 897Member

    Whats his new job title

    and what mcdonalds would hire him any ways lol

  • SioBabbleSioBabble Eugene, ORPosts: 2,803Member

    My take on "who is responsible for the NGE" is that both SOE and LA were involved.

    LA was upset that this non-greatest-IP-in-the-history-of-the-universe was utterly kicking their IP's ass in the MMORPG market, and wanted some change.  They looked at SWG and saw all this complexity and reading and looked at how simple WoW was and hinted to SOE that their treatment of Lucas' IP should be more like that.

    SOE, bleeding developers with brains, thought that yeah, if we're more like WoW, which is what the kids seem to want, we'll get better numbers.  The catch is, SOE doesn't do bug-free, polished games.  They do crap slapped together just good enough to appease the hardcore MMO audience that's willing to put up with some rough stuff just to get their Evercrack fix.  Which pretty much sums up what SWG was...a decent gaming system that wasn't polished or bug free and subjected to SOE's propensity to overnerf and overbuff and never find a happy medium.

    The result was an unpolished, riddled with bugs WoW pseudo-clone with a Star Wars skin that simultaneously pissed off the audience they had and was unappealing to the audience they coveted.

    CH, Jedi, Commando, Smuggler, BH, Scout, Doctor, Chef, BE...yeah, lots of SWG time invested.

    Once a denizen of Ahazi

  • SuvrocSuvroc Toronto, ONPosts: 2,383Member
    Originally posted by KzinKiller


    I assume that Smedley has stayed on at SOE because his resume goes straight into the shredder of any company with an open position paying anything close to what he makes today.
    The only company I can see hiring him is Hudsucker Industries if they open a gaming division:
    "What we need now is a new president who will inspire panic in the stockholder!"
    Smed is their man.



    That's why I think he'll either start his own MMO company, or actually leave the MMO industry all together.

  • Originally posted by Suvroc

    Originally posted by KzinKiller


    I assume that Smedley has stayed on at SOE because his resume goes straight into the shredder of any company with an open position paying anything close to what he makes today.
    The only company I can see hiring him is Hudsucker Industries if they open a gaming division:
    "What we need now is a new president who will inspire panic in the stockholder!"
    Smed is their man.



    That's why I think he'll either start his own MMO company, or actually leave the MMO industry all together.

    The time for Smed to have gobbled up some foolish VC and create a MMO startup is long past.  The industry is in BIG trouble right now and I believe we are going to see more MMO publishers close down than start up this year.

    No doubt Smed will end up being hired somewhere, there are sleazebag corps out there that would consider what he did to customers at SOE an asset.

     

  • severiusseverius sacramento, CAPosts: 1,514Member Common
    Originally posted by iwantmyswg


    who ever takes over for LA now that ward is gone will have to bring back pre-cu or shut the game down. mark this day folks today is the day that we the vets have won. now once smed is gone and we have pre-cu back then we can party.

    We can never win.  Not unless LA pulls the plug and gives the game over to a real developer with real talent rather than a handful of washouts from DeVry.

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  • TeknoBugTeknoBug Calgary, ABPosts: 2,156Member

    So in 2004, he gets named president of LA and two years later calls it quits? That's rather a short lived career of his.


    Probably a good move on his part.

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  • matraquematraque Montreal, QCPosts: 1,431Member

    Get over it.... LMAO.   Don't you guys think it's time to move on now and stop bashing this sorry (since day 1 btw) game?

     

    eqnext.wikia.com

  • FikusOfAhaziFikusOfAhazi St. Louis, MOPosts: 1,835Member
    Originally posted by matraque


    Get over it.... LMAO.   Don't you guys think it's time to move on now and stop bashing this sorry (since day 1 btw) game?
     

    Why what happens if they dont? They have every reason in the world to after what SOE/LA did.

    See you in the dream..
    The Fires from heaven, now as cold as ice. A rapid ascension tolls a heavy price.

  • SuvrocSuvroc Toronto, ONPosts: 2,383Member

    Originally posted by matraque


    Get over it.... LMAO.   Don't you guys think it's time to move on now and stop bashing this sorry (since day 1 btw) game?
     
    Absolutely brillant!

    You managed to both bash the game (i.e. refering to it as being a sorry game), and not move on yourself in making that exact comment.

    BTW this is the dictionary definition of hypocritical:

    a person who feigns some desirable or publicly approved attitude, esp. one whose private life, opinions, or statements belie his or her public statements.

  • matraquematraque Montreal, QCPosts: 1,431Member

    Originally posted by FikusOfAhazi

    Originally posted by matraque


    Get over it.... LMAO.   Don't you guys think it's time to move on now and stop bashing this sorry (since day 1 btw) game?
     

    Why what happens if they dont? They have every reason in the world to after what SOE/LA did.

    Nothing if they don't and nothing if they do.  You guys should know by now... LMAO.  SOE/LA tried to fix a game that was in a sorry state.   Guess what, it's still in a sorry state.  Even with all the crying... Not productive i say.

    eqnext.wikia.com

  • SuvrocSuvroc Toronto, ONPosts: 2,383Member
    Originally posted by matraque


     
    Originally posted by FikusOfAhazi

    Originally posted by matraque


    Get over it.... LMAO.   Don't you guys think it's time to move on now and stop bashing this sorry (since day 1 btw) game?
     

    Why what happens if they dont? They have every reason in the world to after what SOE/LA did.

    Nothing if they don't and nothing if they do.  You guys should know by now... LMAO.  SOE/LA tried to fix a game that was in a sorry state.   Guess what, it's still in a sorry state.  Even with all the crying... Not productive i say.

     



    I'm sensing you're having a difficult time moving on Matraque.

  • matraquematraque Montreal, QCPosts: 1,431Member

    Originally posted by Suvroc


     
    Originally posted by matraque


    Get over it.... LMAO.   Don't you guys think it's time to move on now and stop bashing this sorry (since day 1 btw) game?
     
    Absolutely brillant!

     

    You managed to both bash the game (i.e. refering to it as being a sorry game), and not move on yourself in making that exact comment.

    BTW this is the dictionary definition of hypocritical:

    a person who feigns some desirable or publicly approved attitude, esp. one whose private life, opinions, or statements belie his or her public statements.

    lol

    Like i give a shit of your "hey look a definition..."  I post a lot on this forum.... every day.  Maybe you should look.

    eqnext.wikia.com

  • SuvrocSuvroc Toronto, ONPosts: 2,383Member

    Originally posted by matraque


     
    Originally posted by Suvroc


     
    Originally posted by matraque


    Get over it.... LMAO.   Don't you guys think it's time to move on now and stop bashing this sorry (since day 1 btw) game?
     
    Absolutely brillant!

     

    You managed to both bash the game (i.e. refering to it as being a sorry game), and not move on yourself in making that exact comment.

    BTW this is the dictionary definition of hypocritical:

    a person who feigns some desirable or publicly approved attitude, esp. one whose private life, opinions, or statements belie his or her public statements.

     

    lol

    Like i give a shit of your "hey look a definition..."  I post a lot on this forum.... every day.  Maybe you should look.

    Hey, by all means please keep posting. I'm finding this SWG conversation quite fascinating.

  • kobie173kobie173 Rochester, NYPosts: 2,075Member

    Originally posted by salvaje


    SMED IS NEXT!
    YAAYY!!!  Party tonight.
     
    Yeah, because they work for the same company and everything.

    Oh wait, they don't.

    So I started to walk into the water. I won't lie to you boys...I was terrified. But I pressed on, and as I made my way past the breakers, a strange calm came over me. I don't know if it was divine intervention or the kinship of all living things, but I tell you, Jerry, at that moment ... I was a marine biologist.

  • ArcAngel3ArcAngel3 GTA, ONPosts: 2,931Member

     

    Originally posted by neonaka


    LOL even if Smed quits to your not getting Pre NGE back... so what does it really matter if every SOE and LA employee on planet earth quits or dies.... Still no Pre-NGE.



    One of the reasons why SWG has failed to gain players after the NGE is that people don't trust the leadership at LA and SOE.  They rendered player progress useless, not once, but twice (3x if you count everyone losing all of their faction ranks and perks when they chucked out one faction system for another).  They also knowingly misled people about the last paid for expansion, and admitted tossing out one target audience for another.  It's impossible to significantly gain subscribers to a MMO with that kind of track record. 

     

    Its hard to find people willing to pay to play something when they think they're going to be lied to and lose any progress they make.  It's also hard to find people willing to play something that's still broken in many ways, but that's another topic.

    If the management staff at LA and SOE behind the CU/NGE etc. leave the industry, it's good news for anyone who enjoys MMO's and who doesn't enjoy getting the shaft.

  • AthelaAthela San Antonio, TXPosts: 492Member
    Originally posted by Bob_Blawblaw


    http://kotaku.com/351737/lucasarts-president-has-quit
    One down...
     



    Now the Lucasarts Story, Chapter IV: A New Hope can begin.

  • dookseiddookseid Tulsa, OKPosts: 282Member

    Originally posted by Suvroc


     
    Originally posted by matraque


     
    Originally posted by Suvroc


     
    Originally posted by matraque


    Get over it.... LMAO.   Don't you guys think it's time to move on now and stop bashing this sorry (since day 1 btw) game?
     
    Absolutely brillant!

     

    You managed to both bash the game (i.e. refering to it as being a sorry game), and not move on yourself in making that exact comment.

    BTW this is the dictionary definition of hypocritical:

    a person who feigns some desirable or publicly approved attitude, esp. one whose private life, opinions, or statements belie his or her public statements.

     

    lol

    Like i give a shit of your "hey look a definition..."  I post a lot on this forum.... every day.  Maybe you should look.

     

    Hey, by all means please keep posting. I'm finding this SWG conversation quite fascinating.

    I think some people don't realize that after the NGE hit,  the forums became a whole lot funner game than what's on the official servers atm.

  • Bob_BlawblawBob_Blawblaw Montreal, QCPosts: 1,278Member

    Originally posted by dookseid



    Originally posted by Suvroc


     
    Originally posted by matraque


     
    Originally posted by Suvroc


     
    Originally posted by matraque


    Get over it.... LMAO.   Don't you guys think it's time to move on now and stop bashing this sorry (since day 1 btw) game?
     
    Absolutely brillant!

     

    You managed to both bash the game (i.e. refering to it as being a sorry game), and not move on yourself in making that exact comment.

    BTW this is the dictionary definition of hypocritical:

    a person who feigns some desirable or publicly approved attitude, esp. one whose private life, opinions, or statements belie his or her public statements.

     

    lol

    Like i give a shit of your "hey look a definition..."  I post a lot on this forum.... every day.  Maybe you should look.

     

    Hey, by all means please keep posting. I'm finding this SWG conversation quite fascinating.

     

    I think some people don't realize that after the NGE hit,  the forums became a whole lot funner game than what's on the official servers atm.

    Indeed. Before the NGE I had never posted in a game related forum before.

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