I don't envy the people who have to do year end lists and awards...

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  • ScorchienScorchien Hatboro, PAMember EpicPosts: 4,077
    SEANMCAD said:
    I just did some math.

    ROI per dollar spent for 7DTD is 1:132
    For Witcher 3 its 1:14

    7DTD is not even released yet, Witcher 3 is released and has been for awhile

    That is noteworthy to pay attention to and I assure you in board rooms these gaming companies are paying attention to those numbers
    lmfao .. Noo they are not .. 

      No where are  in any Board room or antylitic marketing dept for any Pub/Dev are they saying .. Hey lets take the top 3 selling Indie Multi Player Survival games from the last 5 years and compare there total sales to a AAA Single player RPG game ..... Fucking foolish at best to think such
      No where is that happening ...

      7DTD is released the minute it started taking money from consumers .. and open to any positive ot negatice effects of such , Regardless of what state they want to say there game is in ...

       Now do Dev/Pub  look at the success and popularity of Multo Player Survival games and target that demographic .. I think the flood of game into the genre speaks that  ..

      But you are completly misguided and off track .. No matter how many ways you try to squeeze this idea of the top 3 Indie Multi Player Survival games have out sold W3 with a near 5 year head start in sales and giving there game away thru STeam sales for a bag of Skittles ...
  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Houston, TXMember EpicPosts: 16,435
    edited December 5
    Scorchien said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    I just did some math.

    ROI per dollar spent for 7DTD is 1:132
    For Witcher 3 its 1:14

    7DTD is not even released yet, Witcher 3 is released and has been for awhile

    That is noteworthy to pay attention to and I assure you in board rooms these gaming companies are paying attention to those numbers
    lmfao .. Noo they are not .. 

      No where are  in any Board room or antylitic marketing dept for any Pub/Dev are they saying .. Hey lets take the top 3 selling Indie Multi Player Survival games from the last 5 years and compare there total sales to a AAA Single player RPG game ..... Fucking foolish at best to think such
      No where is that happening ...

      7DTD is released the minute it started taking money from consumers .. and open to any positive ot negatice effects of such , Regardless of what state they want to say there game is in ...

       Now do Dev/Pub  look at the success and popularity of Multo Player Survival games and target that demographic .. I think the flood of game into the genre speaks that  ..

      But you are completly misguided and off track .. No matter how many ways you try to squeeze this idea of the top 3 Indie Multi Player Survival games have out sold W3 with a near 5 year head start in sales and giving there game away thru STeam sales for a bag of Skittles ...
    lol...

    No I am absolutely totally positive that if a competitor is making an ROI of 1:132 while they are only making 1:14 that they are absolutely going to be talking about that...zero question.

    that is a HUGE return on investment difference and to be frank if its a publically traded company and the shareholders found out that there are NOT conversations happening about that? The CEO could be fired.

    its very much a very big deal

    that kind of ROI difference is well beyond just 'noteworthy' that is Microsoft pulling out a checkbox to buy Minecraft level of paying attention
    Post edited by SEANMCAD on

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  • ScorchienScorchien Hatboro, PAMember EpicPosts: 4,077
    SEANMCAD said:
    Scorchien said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    I just did some math.

    ROI per dollar spent for 7DTD is 1:132
    For Witcher 3 its 1:14

    7DTD is not even released yet, Witcher 3 is released and has been for awhile

    That is noteworthy to pay attention to and I assure you in board rooms these gaming companies are paying attention to those numbers
    lmfao .. Noo they are not .. 

      No where are  in any Board room or antylitic marketing dept for any Pub/Dev are they saying .. Hey lets take the top 3 selling Indie Multi Player Survival games from the last 5 years and compare there total sales to a AAA Single player RPG game ..... Fucking foolish at best to think such
      No where is that happening ...

      7DTD is released the minute it started taking money from consumers .. and open to any positive ot negatice effects of such , Regardless of what state they want to say there game is in ...

       Now do Dev/Pub  look at the success and popularity of Multo Player Survival games and target that demographic .. I think the flood of game into the genre speaks that  ..

      But you are completly misguided and off track .. No matter how many ways you try to squeeze this idea of the top 3 Indie Multi Player Survival games have out sold W3 with a near 5 year head start in sales and giving there game away thru STeam sales for a bag of Skittles ...
    lol...

    No I am absolutely totally positive that if a competitor is making an ROI of 1:132 while they are only making 1:14 that they are absolutely going to be talking about that...zero question.

    that is a HUGE return on investment difference and to be frank if its a publically traded company and the shareholders found out that there are NOT conversations happening about that? The CEO could be fired.

    its very much a very big deal

    that kind of ROI difference is well beyond just 'noteworthy' that is Microsoft pulling out a checkbox to buy Minecraft level of paying attention
      You are very very wrong ....................and im done here ..

      Have a nice day
  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Houston, TXMember EpicPosts: 16,435
    edited December 5
    Scorchien said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    Scorchien said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    I just did some math.

    ROI per dollar spent for 7DTD is 1:132
    For Witcher 3 its 1:14

    7DTD is not even released yet, Witcher 3 is released and has been for awhile

    That is noteworthy to pay attention to and I assure you in board rooms these gaming companies are paying attention to those numbers
    lmfao .. Noo they are not .. 

      No where are  in any Board room or antylitic marketing dept for any Pub/Dev are they saying .. Hey lets take the top 3 selling Indie Multi Player Survival games from the last 5 years and compare there total sales to a AAA Single player RPG game ..... Fucking foolish at best to think such
      No where is that happening ...

      7DTD is released the minute it started taking money from consumers .. and open to any positive ot negatice effects of such , Regardless of what state they want to say there game is in ...

       Now do Dev/Pub  look at the success and popularity of Multo Player Survival games and target that demographic .. I think the flood of game into the genre speaks that  ..

      But you are completly misguided and off track .. No matter how many ways you try to squeeze this idea of the top 3 Indie Multi Player Survival games have out sold W3 with a near 5 year head start in sales and giving there game away thru STeam sales for a bag of Skittles ...
    lol...

    No I am absolutely totally positive that if a competitor is making an ROI of 1:132 while they are only making 1:14 that they are absolutely going to be talking about that...zero question.

    that is a HUGE return on investment difference and to be frank if its a publically traded company and the shareholders found out that there are NOT conversations happening about that? The CEO could be fired.

    its very much a very big deal

    that kind of ROI difference is well beyond just 'noteworthy' that is Microsoft pulling out a checkbox to buy Minecraft level of paying attention
      You are very very wrong ....................and im done here ..

      Have a nice day
    no I know I am right on that.

    If a publically traded company said 'you know one of our competetors is making 132 dollars for every dollar they spend AND they are not even completed with the game while we are only making 14 dollars for every 1 dolllar we spend' you can be your ass there is going to be a meeting abotu that.

    AND...that is exactly why AAA companies have been having a pause the last two years. no doubt in my mind. They would be idiotic and horrid business practice not to
    Post edited by SEANMCAD on

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  • TheDarkrayneTheDarkrayne UKMember RarePosts: 3,515
    I agree, I wouldn't like to have to create any lists / awards for the MMO genre this year, but then I've felt the same for the last 5 years or so. This year is just a bit worse as I don't think we've had any western MMOs release, so you're limited to eastern MMOs and expansions. 


    If you broaden your lists to include any online multiplayer games, or just games in general, then its not so bad. The games industry as a whole isn't doing too badly - the RPG genre is pretty stale but other genres are having more success. 
    Well, the RPG genre itself did see D:OS2 release (I know, just one release, but so good a title as to make up for it), so it's really been MMORPGs specifically.

    Oh well.  There's always next year.
    There's been a few other good RPG's this year; The Surge, NieR: Automata, Tales of Berseria, South Park, Nioh, Seven: The Days Long Gone.

    All the others have been disappointing though, especially Mass Effect and Torment.
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  • nariusseldonnariusseldon santa clara, CAMember RarePosts: 27,651
    Nilden said:
    Let's face it 2017 was pretty abysmal when it comes to MMORPGs. The year end stuff is going to be padded with nonMMOs and expansions along with all the kickstarter MMOs that have been on lists for years now.

    Good luck with that.

    Don't worry. They can just ignore MMORPGs, and use the MMO list here. I wonder how many list Destiny 2 is going to get on.

    It is not like MMORPGs are the main draw to websites anymore. 
  • NildenNilden Canada, NBMember RarePosts: 2,309
    SEANMCAD said:
    Torval said:
    Nilden said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    Private Server games are the way to go, they are exploding in fantasticism. (word I just made up).

    and in my opinion so much so it makes this era of gaming the best in history

    Yeah and I think classic WoW was the best news all year. What does that say about 2017 tho? If you have to list emulators and private servers...
    You're funny. First you lament, every year (like every other past mmo gamer), how there aren't new things to get your fix off of and then go on to talk about stuff that was relevant a decade ago like it was the best thing.

    If those best things are there for you to enjoy how was this year a bad MMO year? The people that had their online games close this year and haven't found a new community home, those are the people who've had a bad MMO year.

    MMO gamers: I want some new MMO high every year, but I want it all to stay the same and never change.

    The lists this year are going to be epic because this was a crazy year for gaming. There hasn't been a year this epic in a while. There were more interesting games released across all platforms and genres, especially the Switch, than I can recall in any recent year.
    they are in a marketing victim cycle.
    I know this because I used to be the same way. you just sit and wait for months for something like Gamespot to make a major splash about some cool game then that is what your supposed to like for 6 months before it comes out. Then when its ready to come out you are so hyped up you need to spend the money for release, then you do and the game is meh.

    then you do it again...and again...until you finally stop
    100% wrong as usual. I only played emulated servers with any amount of time, mainly vanilla WoW and didn't spend a dime on anything MMO related.

    "classification of games into MMOs is not by rational reasoning" - nariusseldon
    Love Minecraft. And check out my Youtube channel OhCanadaGamer


  • KyleranKyleran Paradise City, FLMember LegendaryPosts: 26,827
    edited December 6
    Nilden said:
    Let's face it 2017 was pretty abysmal when it comes to MMORPGs. The year end stuff is going to be padded with nonMMOs and expansions along with all the kickstarter MMOs that have been on lists for years now.

    Good luck with that.


    It is not like MMORPGs are the main draw to websites anymore. 
    They still are "for me."

    Who cares why other people visit websites, I just ignore them, might as well just be Russian chat bots or something. 

    ;)
    Post edited by Kyleran on

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  • postlarvalpostlarval Member EpicPosts: 1,686
    Scorchien said:

      But you are completly misguided and off track .. No matter how many ways you try to squeeze this idea of the top 3 Indie Multi Player Survival games have out sold W3 with a near 5 year head start in sales and giving there game away thru STeam sales for a bag of Skittles ...
    It's like a religion with Sean.

    But 7DTD is having a birthday in 7 days! On December 13 it has been in "alpha" for four years! What an accomplishment. An alpha that costs $25.

    Kyleran said:
    Nilden said:
    Let's face it 2017 was pretty abysmal when it comes to MMORPGs. The year end stuff is going to be padded with nonMMOs and expansions along with all the kickstarter MMOs that have been on lists for years now.

    Good luck with that.


    It is not like MMORPGs are the main draw to websites anymore. 
    They still are "for me."

    Who cares why other people visit websites, I just ignore them, might as well just be Russian chat bots or something. 

    ;)
    Well, in nariu's little world they're not. He really seems to hate MMO players but continues to play MMOs and hang out with MMO players on forums. Not sure why he comes here. Maybe he doesn't get enough hugs at home.

    Although @SEANMCAD and @nariusseldon are both usually clueless, at least Sean believes what he says. @nariusseldon only comes here to bait others into an argument. The consummate troll.

    It's not really much of a choice, but I'll take Sean hanging out in threads over this clown any day.
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  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Houston, TXMember EpicPosts: 16,435
    Nilden said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    Torval said:
    Nilden said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    Private Server games are the way to go, they are exploding in fantasticism. (word I just made up).

    and in my opinion so much so it makes this era of gaming the best in history

    Yeah and I think classic WoW was the best news all year. What does that say about 2017 tho? If you have to list emulators and private servers...
    You're funny. First you lament, every year (like every other past mmo gamer), how there aren't new things to get your fix off of and then go on to talk about stuff that was relevant a decade ago like it was the best thing.

    If those best things are there for you to enjoy how was this year a bad MMO year? The people that had their online games close this year and haven't found a new community home, those are the people who've had a bad MMO year.

    MMO gamers: I want some new MMO high every year, but I want it all to stay the same and never change.

    The lists this year are going to be epic because this was a crazy year for gaming. There hasn't been a year this epic in a while. There were more interesting games released across all platforms and genres, especially the Switch, than I can recall in any recent year.
    they are in a marketing victim cycle.
    I know this because I used to be the same way. you just sit and wait for months for something like Gamespot to make a major splash about some cool game then that is what your supposed to like for 6 months before it comes out. Then when its ready to come out you are so hyped up you need to spend the money for release, then you do and the game is meh.

    then you do it again...and again...until you finally stop
    100% wrong as usual. I only played emulated servers with any amount of time, mainly vanilla WoW and didn't spend a dime on anything MMO related.
    so you never complain about the state of gaming today?

    Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.

    Please do not respond to me

  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Houston, TXMember EpicPosts: 16,435
    edited December 6
    Scorchien said:

      But you are completly misguided and off track .. No matter how many ways you try to squeeze this idea of the top 3 Indie Multi Player Survival games have out sold W3 with a near 5 year head start in sales and giving there game away thru STeam sales for a bag of Skittles ...
    It's like a religion with Sean.

    But 7DTD is having a birthday in 7 days! On December 13 it has been in "alpha" for four years! What an accomplishment. An alpha that costs $25.

    Kyleran said:
    Nilden said:
    Let's face it 2017 was pretty abysmal when it comes to MMORPGs. The year end stuff is going to be padded with nonMMOs and expansions along with all the kickstarter MMOs that have been on lists for years now.

    Good luck with that.


    It is not like MMORPGs are the main draw to websites anymore. 
    They still are "for me."

    Who cares why other people visit websites, I just ignore them, might as well just be Russian chat bots or something. 

    ;)
    Well, in nariu's little world they're not. He really seems to hate MMO players but continues to play MMOs and hang out with MMO players on forums. Not sure why he comes here. Maybe he doesn't get enough hugs at home.

    Although @SEANMCAD and @nariusseldon are both usually clueless, at least Sean believes what he says. @nariusseldon only comes here to bait others into an argument. The consummate troll.

    It's not really much of a choice, but I'll take Sean hanging out in threads over this clown any day.
    so here is the main point I was making that got side track into if 7DTD is doing good or not.

    The POINT is this.

    MOST HERE = 'this is the worst era of gaming'
    ME = 'this is the best era of gaming...ever...in 37 years of me gaming'

    MOST HERE = 'we want to go to extra ordinary lengths to do all we can to avoid looking at any of the games that SEANMCAD thinks makes up the best era in gaming and instead just complain.'

    We can debate over how the ROI of these indie, unfinished, low  budget, almost zero advertising gmes are absolutly completely crushing the ROI of AAA games but that is a different conversation
    Post edited by SEANMCAD on

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  • NildenNilden Canada, NBMember RarePosts: 2,309
    SEANMCAD said:
    Nilden said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    Torval said:
    Nilden said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    Private Server games are the way to go, they are exploding in fantasticism. (word I just made up).

    and in my opinion so much so it makes this era of gaming the best in history

    Yeah and I think classic WoW was the best news all year. What does that say about 2017 tho? If you have to list emulators and private servers...
    You're funny. First you lament, every year (like every other past mmo gamer), how there aren't new things to get your fix off of and then go on to talk about stuff that was relevant a decade ago like it was the best thing.

    If those best things are there for you to enjoy how was this year a bad MMO year? The people that had their online games close this year and haven't found a new community home, those are the people who've had a bad MMO year.

    MMO gamers: I want some new MMO high every year, but I want it all to stay the same and never change.

    The lists this year are going to be epic because this was a crazy year for gaming. There hasn't been a year this epic in a while. There were more interesting games released across all platforms and genres, especially the Switch, than I can recall in any recent year.
    they are in a marketing victim cycle.
    I know this because I used to be the same way. you just sit and wait for months for something like Gamespot to make a major splash about some cool game then that is what your supposed to like for 6 months before it comes out. Then when its ready to come out you are so hyped up you need to spend the money for release, then you do and the game is meh.

    then you do it again...and again...until you finally stop
    100% wrong as usual. I only played emulated servers with any amount of time, mainly vanilla WoW and didn't spend a dime on anything MMO related.
    so you never complain about the state of gaming today?
    Is that what a marketing victim cycle is?

    *cough* bullshit.

    "classification of games into MMOs is not by rational reasoning" - nariusseldon
    Love Minecraft. And check out my Youtube channel OhCanadaGamer


  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Houston, TXMember EpicPosts: 16,435
    Nilden said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    Nilden said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    Torval said:
    Nilden said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    Private Server games are the way to go, they are exploding in fantasticism. (word I just made up).

    and in my opinion so much so it makes this era of gaming the best in history

    Yeah and I think classic WoW was the best news all year. What does that say about 2017 tho? If you have to list emulators and private servers...
    You're funny. First you lament, every year (like every other past mmo gamer), how there aren't new things to get your fix off of and then go on to talk about stuff that was relevant a decade ago like it was the best thing.

    If those best things are there for you to enjoy how was this year a bad MMO year? The people that had their online games close this year and haven't found a new community home, those are the people who've had a bad MMO year.

    MMO gamers: I want some new MMO high every year, but I want it all to stay the same and never change.

    The lists this year are going to be epic because this was a crazy year for gaming. There hasn't been a year this epic in a while. There were more interesting games released across all platforms and genres, especially the Switch, than I can recall in any recent year.
    they are in a marketing victim cycle.
    I know this because I used to be the same way. you just sit and wait for months for something like Gamespot to make a major splash about some cool game then that is what your supposed to like for 6 months before it comes out. Then when its ready to come out you are so hyped up you need to spend the money for release, then you do and the game is meh.

    then you do it again...and again...until you finally stop
    100% wrong as usual. I only played emulated servers with any amount of time, mainly vanilla WoW and didn't spend a dime on anything MMO related.
    so you never complain about the state of gaming today?
    Is that what a marketing victim cycle is?

    *cough* bullshit.
    no a marketing cycle is NOT never complaining about the state of gaming.

    but complaining about gaming IS a result of a marketing cycle yes...

    you know why? because they keep tricking you into buying games that are clearly garbage.

    Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.

    Please do not respond to me

  • NildenNilden Canada, NBMember RarePosts: 2,309
    SEANMCAD said:
    Nilden said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    Nilden said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    Torval said:
    Nilden said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    Private Server games are the way to go, they are exploding in fantasticism. (word I just made up).

    and in my opinion so much so it makes this era of gaming the best in history

    Yeah and I think classic WoW was the best news all year. What does that say about 2017 tho? If you have to list emulators and private servers...
    You're funny. First you lament, every year (like every other past mmo gamer), how there aren't new things to get your fix off of and then go on to talk about stuff that was relevant a decade ago like it was the best thing.

    If those best things are there for you to enjoy how was this year a bad MMO year? The people that had their online games close this year and haven't found a new community home, those are the people who've had a bad MMO year.

    MMO gamers: I want some new MMO high every year, but I want it all to stay the same and never change.

    The lists this year are going to be epic because this was a crazy year for gaming. There hasn't been a year this epic in a while. There were more interesting games released across all platforms and genres, especially the Switch, than I can recall in any recent year.
    they are in a marketing victim cycle.
    I know this because I used to be the same way. you just sit and wait for months for something like Gamespot to make a major splash about some cool game then that is what your supposed to like for 6 months before it comes out. Then when its ready to come out you are so hyped up you need to spend the money for release, then you do and the game is meh.

    then you do it again...and again...until you finally stop
    100% wrong as usual. I only played emulated servers with any amount of time, mainly vanilla WoW and didn't spend a dime on anything MMO related.
    so you never complain about the state of gaming today?
    Is that what a marketing victim cycle is?

    *cough* bullshit.
    no a marketing cycle is NOT never complaining about the state of gaming.

    but complaining about gaming IS a result of a marketing cycle yes...

    you know why? because they keep tricking you into buying games that are clearly garbage.
    You literally have no idea what games I buy. You are just making stuff up.

    "classification of games into MMOs is not by rational reasoning" - nariusseldon
    Love Minecraft. And check out my Youtube channel OhCanadaGamer


  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Houston, TXMember EpicPosts: 16,435
    Nilden said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    Nilden said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    Nilden said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    Torval said:
    Nilden said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    Private Server games are the way to go, they are exploding in fantasticism. (word I just made up).

    and in my opinion so much so it makes this era of gaming the best in history

    Yeah and I think classic WoW was the best news all year. What does that say about 2017 tho? If you have to list emulators and private servers...
    You're funny. First you lament, every year (like every other past mmo gamer), how there aren't new things to get your fix off of and then go on to talk about stuff that was relevant a decade ago like it was the best thing.

    If those best things are there for you to enjoy how was this year a bad MMO year? The people that had their online games close this year and haven't found a new community home, those are the people who've had a bad MMO year.

    MMO gamers: I want some new MMO high every year, but I want it all to stay the same and never change.

    The lists this year are going to be epic because this was a crazy year for gaming. There hasn't been a year this epic in a while. There were more interesting games released across all platforms and genres, especially the Switch, than I can recall in any recent year.
    they are in a marketing victim cycle.
    I know this because I used to be the same way. you just sit and wait for months for something like Gamespot to make a major splash about some cool game then that is what your supposed to like for 6 months before it comes out. Then when its ready to come out you are so hyped up you need to spend the money for release, then you do and the game is meh.

    then you do it again...and again...until you finally stop
    100% wrong as usual. I only played emulated servers with any amount of time, mainly vanilla WoW and didn't spend a dime on anything MMO related.
    so you never complain about the state of gaming today?
    Is that what a marketing victim cycle is?

    *cough* bullshit.
    no a marketing cycle is NOT never complaining about the state of gaming.

    but complaining about gaming IS a result of a marketing cycle yes...

    you know why? because they keep tricking you into buying games that are clearly garbage.
    You literally have no idea what games I buy. You are just making stuff up.
    I do not have a clue what game you buy that is correct.

    its also not remotely relevant to my point.

    you replied to a comment of me saying 'they' meaning abstracting. then you somehow thought it meant that I know what games you play? how did you reach to that ?

    Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.

    Please do not respond to me

  • NildenNilden Canada, NBMember RarePosts: 2,309
    Scorchien said:

      But you are completly misguided and off track .. No matter how many ways you try to squeeze this idea of the top 3 Indie Multi Player Survival games have out sold W3 with a near 5 year head start in sales and giving there game away thru STeam sales for a bag of Skittles ...
    It's like a religion with Sean.

    But 7DTD is having a birthday in 7 days! On December 13 it has been in "alpha" for four years! What an accomplishment. An alpha that costs $25.

    Kyleran said:
    Nilden said:
    Let's face it 2017 was pretty abysmal when it comes to MMORPGs. The year end stuff is going to be padded with nonMMOs and expansions along with all the kickstarter MMOs that have been on lists for years now.

    Good luck with that.


    It is not like MMORPGs are the main draw to websites anymore. 
    They still are "for me."

    Who cares why other people visit websites, I just ignore them, might as well just be Russian chat bots or something. 

    ;)
    Well, in nariu's little world they're not. He really seems to hate MMO players but continues to play MMOs and hang out with MMO players on forums. Not sure why he comes here. Maybe he doesn't get enough hugs at home.

    Although @SEANMCAD and @nariusseldon are both usually clueless, at least Sean believes what he says. @nariusseldon only comes here to bait others into an argument. The consummate troll.

    It's not really much of a choice, but I'll take Sean hanging out in threads over this clown any day.
    They are really stupid trolls. Don't worry I'm just using they as an abstract. That's how it works apparently.

    "classification of games into MMOs is not by rational reasoning" - nariusseldon
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  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Houston, TXMember EpicPosts: 16,435
    edited December 6
    Nilden said:
    Scorchien said:

      But you are completly misguided and off track .. No matter how many ways you try to squeeze this idea of the top 3 Indie Multi Player Survival games have out sold W3 with a near 5 year head start in sales and giving there game away thru STeam sales for a bag of Skittles ...
    It's like a religion with Sean.

    But 7DTD is having a birthday in 7 days! On December 13 it has been in "alpha" for four years! What an accomplishment. An alpha that costs $25.

    Kyleran said:
    Nilden said:
    Let's face it 2017 was pretty abysmal when it comes to MMORPGs. The year end stuff is going to be padded with nonMMOs and expansions along with all the kickstarter MMOs that have been on lists for years now.

    Good luck with that.


    It is not like MMORPGs are the main draw to websites anymore. 
    They still are "for me."

    Who cares why other people visit websites, I just ignore them, might as well just be Russian chat bots or something. 

    ;)
    Well, in nariu's little world they're not. He really seems to hate MMO players but continues to play MMOs and hang out with MMO players on forums. Not sure why he comes here. Maybe he doesn't get enough hugs at home.

    Although @SEANMCAD and @nariusseldon are both usually clueless, at least Sean believes what he says. @nariusseldon only comes here to bait others into an argument. The consummate troll.

    It's not really much of a choice, but I'll take Sean hanging out in threads over this clown any day.
    They are really stupid trolls. Don't worry I'm just using they as an abstract. That's how it works apparently.
    you got confused. when I said 'they' I was not refering to you I was refering to this:

    MMO gamers: I want some new MMO high every year, but I want it all to stay the same and never change.

    Read more at https://forums.mmorpg.com/discussion/470112/i-dont-envy-the-people-who-have-to-do-year-end-lists-and-awards/p3#4DzMUvIdZYfcoH5k.99

    if you go back and read it more closely it might help

    So unless you are that kind of MMO gamer then you dont have anything to cry about
    Post edited by SEANMCAD on

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  • alkarionlogalkarionlog SMember UncommonPosts: 1,433
    SEANMCAD said:
    Nilden said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    Nilden said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    Torval said:
    Nilden said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    Private Server games are the way to go, they are exploding in fantasticism. (word I just made up).

    and in my opinion so much so it makes this era of gaming the best in history

    Yeah and I think classic WoW was the best news all year. What does that say about 2017 tho? If you have to list emulators and private servers...
    You're funny. First you lament, every year (like every other past mmo gamer), how there aren't new things to get your fix off of and then go on to talk about stuff that was relevant a decade ago like it was the best thing.

    If those best things are there for you to enjoy how was this year a bad MMO year? The people that had their online games close this year and haven't found a new community home, those are the people who've had a bad MMO year.

    MMO gamers: I want some new MMO high every year, but I want it all to stay the same and never change.

    The lists this year are going to be epic because this was a crazy year for gaming. There hasn't been a year this epic in a while. There were more interesting games released across all platforms and genres, especially the Switch, than I can recall in any recent year.
    they are in a marketing victim cycle.
    I know this because I used to be the same way. you just sit and wait for months for something like Gamespot to make a major splash about some cool game then that is what your supposed to like for 6 months before it comes out. Then when its ready to come out you are so hyped up you need to spend the money for release, then you do and the game is meh.

    then you do it again...and again...until you finally stop
    100% wrong as usual. I only played emulated servers with any amount of time, mainly vanilla WoW and didn't spend a dime on anything MMO related.
    so you never complain about the state of gaming today?
    Is that what a marketing victim cycle is?

    *cough* bullshit.
    no a marketing cycle is NOT never complaining about the state of gaming.

    but complaining about gaming IS a result of a marketing cycle yes...

    you know why? because they keep tricking you into buying games that are clearly garbage.
    that is why I play the pirated copy first, if I find it any good I buy it
    FOR HONOR, FOR FREEDOM.... and for some money.
  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Houston, TXMember EpicPosts: 16,435
    SEANMCAD said:
    Nilden said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    Nilden said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    Torval said:
    Nilden said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    Private Server games are the way to go, they are exploding in fantasticism. (word I just made up).

    and in my opinion so much so it makes this era of gaming the best in history

    Yeah and I think classic WoW was the best news all year. What does that say about 2017 tho? If you have to list emulators and private servers...
    You're funny. First you lament, every year (like every other past mmo gamer), how there aren't new things to get your fix off of and then go on to talk about stuff that was relevant a decade ago like it was the best thing.

    If those best things are there for you to enjoy how was this year a bad MMO year? The people that had their online games close this year and haven't found a new community home, those are the people who've had a bad MMO year.

    MMO gamers: I want some new MMO high every year, but I want it all to stay the same and never change.

    The lists this year are going to be epic because this was a crazy year for gaming. There hasn't been a year this epic in a while. There were more interesting games released across all platforms and genres, especially the Switch, than I can recall in any recent year.
    they are in a marketing victim cycle.
    I know this because I used to be the same way. you just sit and wait for months for something like Gamespot to make a major splash about some cool game then that is what your supposed to like for 6 months before it comes out. Then when its ready to come out you are so hyped up you need to spend the money for release, then you do and the game is meh.

    then you do it again...and again...until you finally stop
    100% wrong as usual. I only played emulated servers with any amount of time, mainly vanilla WoW and didn't spend a dime on anything MMO related.
    so you never complain about the state of gaming today?
    Is that what a marketing victim cycle is?

    *cough* bullshit.
    no a marketing cycle is NOT never complaining about the state of gaming.

    but complaining about gaming IS a result of a marketing cycle yes...

    you know why? because they keep tricking you into buying games that are clearly garbage.
    that is why I play the pirated copy first, if I find it any good I buy it
    I almost never have a problem buying good games. 
    I watch youtube videos if it sparks my interest, i buy works well

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  • nariusseldonnariusseldon santa clara, CAMember RarePosts: 27,651

    Well, in nariu's little world they're not. He really seems to hate MMO players but continues to play MMOs and hang out with MMO players on forums. Not sure why he comes here. Maybe he doesn't get enough hugs at home.



    Oh, you think Destiny 2 is a MMO too? That is the game i, as you say, "continue to play". 

    Well, you confused between forum pvp and "hang out with MMO players on forum". Not sure why I am here? You are not paying attention. It is simple. Posting here is more fun than playing MMOs. 
  • KyleranKyleran Paradise City, FLMember LegendaryPosts: 26,827
    SEANMCAD said: 
    Scorchien said:

      But you are completly misguided and off track .. No matter how many ways you try to squeeze this idea of the top 3 Indie Multi Player Survival games have out sold W3 with a near 5 year head start in sales and giving there game away thru STeam sales for a bag of Skittles ...
    It's like a religion with Sean.

    But 7DTD is having a birthday in 7 days! On December 13 it has been in "alpha" for four years! What an accomplishment. An alpha that costs $25.

    Kyleran said:
    Nilden said:
    Let's face it 2017 was pretty abysmal when it comes to MMORPGs. The year end stuff is going to be padded with nonMMOs and expansions along with all the kickstarter MMOs that have been on lists for years now.

    Good luck with that.


    It is not like MMORPGs are the main draw to websites anymore. 
    They still are "for me."

    Who cares why other people visit websites, I just ignore them, might as well just be Russian chat bots or something. 

    ;)
    Well, in nariu's little world they're not. He really seems to hate MMO players but continues to play MMOs and hang out with MMO players on forums. Not sure why he comes here. Maybe he doesn't get enough hugs at home.

    Although @SEANMCAD and @nariusseldon are both usually clueless, at least Sean believes what he says. @nariusseldon only comes here to bait others into an argument. The consummate troll.

    It's not really much of a choice, but I'll take Sean hanging out in threads over this clown any day.
    so here is the main point I was making that got side track into if 7DTD is doing good or not.

    The POINT is this.

    MOST HERE = 'this is the worst era of gaming'
    ME = 'this is the best era of gaming...ever...in 37 years of me gaming'

    MOST HERE = 'we want to go to extra ordinary lengths to do all we can to avoid looking at any of the games that SEANMCAD thinks makes up the best era in gaming and instead just complain.'

    We can debate over how the ROI of these indie, unfinished, low  budget, almost zero advertising gmes are absolutly completely crushing the ROI of AAA games but that is a different conversation
    All your fault Sean, I actually bought 7DTD on your glowing recommendations, but then you went out of your way to tell me I would hate it.

    Still on the playlist, but I hear it may "launch" in 2018 so I might wait until then because...well you know.

    ;)

    (Note,  winky smiley, means above comment should be viewed in jest, and not taken as being serious.)

    Now this here is my serious face...

    B)
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  • Loke666Loke666 KalmarMember EpicPosts: 20,995
    SEANMCAD said:
    Private Server games are the way to go, they are exploding in fantasticism. (word I just made up).

    and in my opinion so much so it makes this era of gaming the best in history

    Actually, it is in Websters dictionary... https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fantasticism

    Anyways, Biowares Neverwinter nights actually allowed you to legally set up your own server over 15 years ago so that period certainly had it's good parts. Most of todays private servers are gone pretty fast and I like to keep my characters thanks. 

    OP have a point though, 2017 was a poor MMO year. A decent GW2 expansion was about what happened. Some interesting games started alpha testing but it would be wrong to award any of them anything until they actually launch.
  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Houston, TXMember EpicPosts: 16,435
    edited December 7
    Loke666 said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    Private Server games are the way to go, they are exploding in fantasticism. (word I just made up).

    and in my opinion so much so it makes this era of gaming the best in history

    Actually, it is in Websters dictionary... https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fantasticism

    Anyways, Biowares Neverwinter nights actually allowed you to legally set up your own server over 15 years ago so that period certainly had it's good parts. Most of todays private servers are gone pretty fast and I like to keep my characters thanks. 

    OP have a point though, 2017 was a poor MMO year. A decent GW2 expansion was about what happened. Some interesting games started alpha testing but it would be wrong to award any of them anything until they actually launch.
    wait because one game 15 years ago allowed you to have private servers makes it better era then these games?

    Most of my gaming life I had to struggle to find games I enjoyed. Now I have more in my collection then I will ever have time for in a lifetime AND there are more out there I want. How many building games where there 15 years ago? ZERO that is how many

    and yes I know they all arent private server games

    Ark

    Rust

    Space Engineers
    Medieval Engineers

    7 Days to Die

    Imperium Galactic Survival

    The Forest

    Subnautica

    Life is Feudal

    Stranded Deep

    From the Depths

    Kerbal Space Program

    StarMade

    Another Brick in the Mall

    Elite Dangerous

    Cities Skylines

    Planet Coaster

    Kenshi

    RimWorld

    Hospitalize

    Kingdoms

    Wurm Unlimited

    My Summer Car

    Banished

    Out of Reach


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  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Houston, TXMember EpicPosts: 16,435
    Kyleran said:
    SEANMCAD said: 
    Scorchien said:

      But you are completly misguided and off track .. No matter how many ways you try to squeeze this idea of the top 3 Indie Multi Player Survival games have out sold W3 with a near 5 year head start in sales and giving there game away thru STeam sales for a bag of Skittles ...
    It's like a religion with Sean.

    But 7DTD is having a birthday in 7 days! On December 13 it has been in "alpha" for four years! What an accomplishment. An alpha that costs $25.

    Kyleran said:
    Nilden said:
    Let's face it 2017 was pretty abysmal when it comes to MMORPGs. The year end stuff is going to be padded with nonMMOs and expansions along with all the kickstarter MMOs that have been on lists for years now.

    Good luck with that.


    It is not like MMORPGs are the main draw to websites anymore. 
    They still are "for me."

    Who cares why other people visit websites, I just ignore them, might as well just be Russian chat bots or something. 

    ;)
    Well, in nariu's little world they're not. He really seems to hate MMO players but continues to play MMOs and hang out with MMO players on forums. Not sure why he comes here. Maybe he doesn't get enough hugs at home.

    Although @SEANMCAD and @nariusseldon are both usually clueless, at least Sean believes what he says. @nariusseldon only comes here to bait others into an argument. The consummate troll.

    It's not really much of a choice, but I'll take Sean hanging out in threads over this clown any day.
    so here is the main point I was making that got side track into if 7DTD is doing good or not.

    The POINT is this.

    MOST HERE = 'this is the worst era of gaming'
    ME = 'this is the best era of gaming...ever...in 37 years of me gaming'

    MOST HERE = 'we want to go to extra ordinary lengths to do all we can to avoid looking at any of the games that SEANMCAD thinks makes up the best era in gaming and instead just complain.'

    We can debate over how the ROI of these indie, unfinished, low  budget, almost zero advertising gmes are absolutly completely crushing the ROI of AAA games but that is a different conversation
    All your fault Sean, I actually bought 7DTD on your glowing recommendations, but then you went out of your way to tell me I would hate it.

    Still on the playlist, but I hear it may "launch" in 2018 so I might wait until then because...well you know.

    ;)

    (Note,  winky smiley, means above comment should be viewed in jest, and not taken as being serious.)

    Now this here is my serious face...

    B)
    lol... you explicitly stated that you do not like crafting and building games and yet....you bought a crafting and building game.

    There are some people I just cant help, people like that would clearly qualify

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