I don't envy the people who have to do year end lists and awards...

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  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Houston, TXMember EpicPosts: 16,435
    Scorchien said:
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    Scorchien said:
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    Eldurian said:
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    Private Server games are the way to go, they are exploding in fantasticism. (word I just made up).

    and in my opinion so much so it makes this era of gaming the best in history

    Yeah and I think classic WoW was the best news all year. What does that say about 2017 tho? If you have to list emulators and private servers...
    I might have the alphas wrong but for this year:

    ...

    Life is Fuedual MMO release

    ...

    Isn't it still just in beta? If the actual MMO is out then they didn't advertise it like... at all.
    No Idea actually I thought it was released. I normally dont pay attention to that, I just play what is fun. as a side note did you know the top early access games while they were in early access (not completed) sold more copies then Witcher 3 on all platforms?
    You realize as a side note they sold more units because they frequently give away there game for the price of a large bag of Skittles thru Steam sales.......................just sayin
    yes..



    but you also understand that an indie game (x3) that isnt even released yet and has nearly zero advertising should not even come remotely close to the same orbit of sales as Witcher 3, let alone more than
    umm  Steam is not Zero advertising , its the Biggest Digital Platform by far , And when they put a game up for sale like that it is front and center to anyone whos tags remotley match anything they have played similar before ...Hence why they sell so many units
    I didnt say 'zero' I said nearly zero marketing.

    I mean come on are you honestly trying to compare a Steam autospinner to the multimillion dollar marketing campagin of Witcher 3?

    why do you guys work so hard to make up any excuse remotely possible to not look at options?

    your doomed for despair if you complain about the bucket of games you are looking at and also refuse to look outside that same box.

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  • ScorchienScorchien Hatboro, PAMember EpicPosts: 4,077
    edited December 5
    lmao ... *wonders how many units of Witcher 3 Steam and GOG could sell in 24 hours for same 7.99 that those indie titles sold for ... *

        and for the record i have played and owned 7DTD since its first day in Steam ... We look at options .. you are misguided tho.. And to assault every thread with your same agenda is troubling ... get a grip on your self ...
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  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Houston, TXMember EpicPosts: 16,435
    edited December 5
    Scorchien said:
    lmao ... *wonders how many units of Witcher 3 Steam and GOG could sell in 24 hours for same 7.99 that those indie titles sold for ... *

        and for the record i have played and owned 7DTD since its first day in Steam ... We look at options .. you are misguided tho
    again..
    3 titles that are:
    1. indie small budget
    2. early access (as in not even completed)
    3. extreemly low marketing budget that pales in comparision to Witcher 3

    vs

    1. one of the most popular titles in the so called AAA universe by a rather large margin.
    2. sold on multiple platforms
    3. HUGE marketing budget, which includes reviews on pretty much every single game journalist site ever.

    Sales of those three indie titles should not have even come remotely CLOSE to Witcher 3.

    but regardless of all that manure, who cares? you going to play anything other than games to complain about? of course not. Just sit there looking at the only 10 acceptable games in ones universe, complain about the state of gaming and ignore people who say there are fantastic options....brilliant!
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  • ScorchienScorchien Hatboro, PAMember EpicPosts: 4,077
    SEANMCAD said:
    Scorchien said:
    lmao ... *wonders how many units of Witcher 3 Steam and GOG could sell in 24 hours for same 7.99 that those indie titles sold for ... *

        and for the record i have played and owned 7DTD since its first day in Steam ... We look at options .. you are misguided tho
    again..
    3 titles that are:
    1. indie small budget
    2. early access (as in not even completed)
    3. extreemly low marketing budget that pales in comparision to Witcher 3

    vs

    1. one of the most popular titles in the so called AAA universe by a rather large margin.
    2. sold on multiple platforms
    3. HUGE marketing budget, which includes reviews on pretty much every single game journalist site ever.

    Sales of those three indie titles should not have even come remotely CLOSE to Witcher 3.

    but regardless of all that manure, who cares? you going to play anything other than games to complain about? of course not. Just sit there looking at the only 10 acceptable games in ones universe, complain about the state of gaming and ignore people who say there are fantastic options....brilliant!
    lol ... so misguided ...................

      1. If they sold so many its not such a limited budget ( and W3 was funded by KS) also
       2. EA means nothing in this anylonger we all know EA titles can sell well there are dozens of examples ..
       3.. you talk as if you know what W3 marketing Budget was .. You have no idea .. And i dont think its near what you are exaggerating

                 but you just keep assaulting every thread with your agenda , it will catch up to you ..
  • TalulaRoseTalulaRose Long Island, NYMember RarePosts: 1,085
    Ignore Seanmcad. All he does is take a contrary position and then argues with you and before you know it you aren't even talking about what you started with because the goal posts constantly shift.
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  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Houston, TXMember EpicPosts: 16,435
    Scorchien said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    Scorchien said:
    lmao ... *wonders how many units of Witcher 3 Steam and GOG could sell in 24 hours for same 7.99 that those indie titles sold for ... *

        and for the record i have played and owned 7DTD since its first day in Steam ... We look at options .. you are misguided tho
    again..
    3 titles that are:
    1. indie small budget
    2. early access (as in not even completed)
    3. extreemly low marketing budget that pales in comparision to Witcher 3

    vs

    1. one of the most popular titles in the so called AAA universe by a rather large margin.
    2. sold on multiple platforms
    3. HUGE marketing budget, which includes reviews on pretty much every single game journalist site ever.

    Sales of those three indie titles should not have even come remotely CLOSE to Witcher 3.

    but regardless of all that manure, who cares? you going to play anything other than games to complain about? of course not. Just sit there looking at the only 10 acceptable games in ones universe, complain about the state of gaming and ignore people who say there are fantastic options....brilliant!
    lol ... so misguided ...................

      1. If they sold so many its not such a limited budget ( and W3 was funded by KS) also
       2. EA means nothing in this anylonger we all know EA titles can sell well there are dozens of examples ..
       3.. you talk as if you know what W3 marketing Budget was .. You have no idea .. And i dont think its near what you are exaggerating

                 but you just keep assaulting every thread with your agenda , it will catch up to you ..
    1. limited by the terms of what a Witcher 3 budget would be...ABOLSULTLY~!!!!!!!!!!! you know its likely that the entire development budget of 7DTD is likely smaller than JUST the advertising budget of Witcher 3.
    2. conversation is getting off point already
    3. I know the averages

    HERE IS THE POINT____________________________________
    people are complaining about the 'state' of gaming. I am literally likely the ONLY person in this entire forum that thinks its actually the BEST era of gaming ever. And yet, people like yourself go to extreeme lengths to avoid even considering, even looking at, even browsing the very games I feel has made the industry great.

    and instead, you want to just look at the games your complaining about and expect them to magically change.


    THAT is the point

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  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Houston, TXMember EpicPosts: 16,435
    edited December 5
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  • ScorchienScorchien Hatboro, PAMember EpicPosts: 4,077
     You are not the only person .. there are many that think this is a great time in gaming .. In your own head you are the only one .. But your soapbox is very tall i imagine ...

              BTW 7DTD is on mutli platforms also .. time to move the goalposts some more
  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Houston, TXMember EpicPosts: 16,435
    edited December 5
    Scorchien said:
     You are not the only person .. there are many that think this is a great time in gaming .. In your own head you are the only one .. But your soapbox is very tall i imagine ...

              BTW 7DTD is on mutli platforms also .. time to move the goalposts some more
    I have read one other person say its the best era in gaming. I have read more that have said its a good era..I am not saying its good...I am saying its the BEST EVER.

    7DTD kickster totalled $500,000
    Witcher 3 had $81 million dollars 

    but yeah...you win the entire point because 7DTD is on console
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  • ScorchienScorchien Hatboro, PAMember EpicPosts: 4,077
    SEANMCAD said:
    Scorchien said:
     You are not the only person .. there are many that think this is a great time in gaming .. In your own head you are the only one .. But your soapbox is very tall i imagine ...

              BTW 7DTD is on mutli platforms also .. time to move the goalposts some more
    I have read one other person say its the best era in gaming. I have read more that have said its a good era..I am not saying its good...I am saying its the BEST EVER.

    7DTD kickster totalled $500,000
    Witcher 3 had $81 million dollars 

    but yeah...you win the entire point because 7DTD is on console
    funny .. im not trying to win anything here .. just trying to talk you in from a ledge ..

     
  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Houston, TXMember EpicPosts: 16,435
    edited December 5
    Scorchien said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    Scorchien said:
     You are not the only person .. there are many that think this is a great time in gaming .. In your own head you are the only one .. But your soapbox is very tall i imagine ...

              BTW 7DTD is on mutli platforms also .. time to move the goalposts some more
    I have read one other person say its the best era in gaming. I have read more that have said its a good era..I am not saying its good...I am saying its the BEST EVER.

    7DTD kickster totalled $500,000
    Witcher 3 had $81 million dollars 

    but yeah...you win the entire point because 7DTD is on console
    funny .. im not trying to win anything here .. just trying to talk you in from a ledge ..

     
    why? because I think a company that had $500,000 sold nearly 1/3 as many copies as a company that had 81 million dollars? That is a 162 times difference. They should be outselling these indies by a HUGE margin, not just enough to make the difference in sales price

    you dont find that remotely note worthy?

    I am sorry but UNFINISHED games, of INDIE, LOW BUDGET, NEARLY NO ADVERTSING it IS note worthy
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  • ScorchienScorchien Hatboro, PAMember EpicPosts: 4,077
    SEANMCAD said:
    Scorchien said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    Scorchien said:
     You are not the only person .. there are many that think this is a great time in gaming .. In your own head you are the only one .. But your soapbox is very tall i imagine ...

              BTW 7DTD is on mutli platforms also .. time to move the goalposts some more
    I have read one other person say its the best era in gaming. I have read more that have said its a good era..I am not saying its good...I am saying its the BEST EVER.

    7DTD kickster totalled $500,000
    Witcher 3 had $81 million dollars 

    but yeah...you win the entire point because 7DTD is on console
    funny .. im not trying to win anything here .. just trying to talk you in from a ledge ..

     
    why? because I think a company that had $500,000 sold nearly 1/3 as many copies as a company that had 81 million dollars? That is a 162 times difference. They should be outselling these indies by a HUGE margin, not just enough to make the difference in sales price

    you dont find that remotely note worthy?

    I am sorry but UNFINISHED games, of INDIE, LOW BUDGET, NEARLY NO ADVERTSING it IS note worthy
    not really note worthy ,particularly when common sense realizes that they are targeting two very different audiences .. 7DTD and the like have been a much more popular genre in recent years and multi player ..W3 is made for a smaller audience and a very specific one to boot

    7days and games in that genre have  a much wider audience ..there fore more units will sell , partiu;ar;y when they are sold at up to 75% off 4 times a year ...for 4 years ...

     W3 is realtivley new still and has not seen a sale with more than 10% of its price tag

     
  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Houston, TXMember EpicPosts: 16,435
    edited December 5
    Scorchien said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    Scorchien said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    Scorchien said:
     You are not the only person .. there are many that think this is a great time in gaming .. In your own head you are the only one .. But your soapbox is very tall i imagine ...

              BTW 7DTD is on mutli platforms also .. time to move the goalposts some more
    I have read one other person say its the best era in gaming. I have read more that have said its a good era..I am not saying its good...I am saying its the BEST EVER.

    7DTD kickster totalled $500,000
    Witcher 3 had $81 million dollars 

    but yeah...you win the entire point because 7DTD is on console
    funny .. im not trying to win anything here .. just trying to talk you in from a ledge ..

     
    why? because I think a company that had $500,000 sold nearly 1/3 as many copies as a company that had 81 million dollars? That is a 162 times difference. They should be outselling these indies by a HUGE margin, not just enough to make the difference in sales price

    you dont find that remotely note worthy?

    I am sorry but UNFINISHED games, of INDIE, LOW BUDGET, NEARLY NO ADVERTSING it IS note worthy
    not really note worthy ,particularly when common sense realizes that they are targeting two very different audiences .. 7DTD and the like have been a much more popular genre in recent years and multi player ..W3 is made for a smaller audience and a very specific one to boot

    7days and games in that genre have  a much wider audience ..there fore more units will sell , partiu;ar;y when they are sold at up to 75% off 4 times a year ...for 4 years ...

     W3 is realtivley new still and has not seen a sale with more than 10% of its price tag

     
    consider this

    The budget difference alone is 162 times. So if you make that 1/3 because of sales price then Witcher 3 should be selling 54 times more copies then 7DTD. Because 7DTD is not even released yet its actually STARTING at a high number.

    and your reply is that the demographic of a UNFINISHED game is larger than that of a FINISHED AAA Title when considering cost ratio?

    seriously?
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  • ScorchienScorchien Hatboro, PAMember EpicPosts: 4,077
    SEANMCAD said:
    Scorchien said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    Scorchien said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    Scorchien said:
     You are not the only person .. there are many that think this is a great time in gaming .. In your own head you are the only one .. But your soapbox is very tall i imagine ...

              BTW 7DTD is on mutli platforms also .. time to move the goalposts some more
    I have read one other person say its the best era in gaming. I have read more that have said its a good era..I am not saying its good...I am saying its the BEST EVER.

    7DTD kickster totalled $500,000
    Witcher 3 had $81 million dollars 

    but yeah...you win the entire point because 7DTD is on console
    funny .. im not trying to win anything here .. just trying to talk you in from a ledge ..

     
    why? because I think a company that had $500,000 sold nearly 1/3 as many copies as a company that had 81 million dollars? That is a 162 times difference. They should be outselling these indies by a HUGE margin, not just enough to make the difference in sales price

    you dont find that remotely note worthy?

    I am sorry but UNFINISHED games, of INDIE, LOW BUDGET, NEARLY NO ADVERTSING it IS note worthy
    not really note worthy ,particularly when common sense realizes that they are targeting two very different audiences .. 7DTD and the like have been a much more popular genre in recent years and multi player ..W3 is made for a smaller audience and a very specific one to boot

    7days and games in that genre have  a much wider audience ..there fore more units will sell , partiu;ar;y when they are sold at up to 75% off 4 times a year ...for 4 years ...

     W3 is realtivley new still and has not seen a sale with more than 10% of its price tag

     
    consider this

    The budget difference alone is 162 times. So if you make that 1/3 because of sales price then Witcher 3 should be selling 54 times more copies then 7DTD. Because 7DTD is not even released yet its actually STARTING at a high number.

    and your reply is that the demographic of a UNFINISHED game is larger than that of a FINISHED AAA Title when considering cost ratio?

    seriously?
    lol wtf .. these other games have been out for over 4-5 years .. They should have more units sold ...especially when they give it away for pennies at times ..

      wtf is wrong with you
  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Houston, TXMember EpicPosts: 16,435
    edited December 5
    Scorchien said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    Scorchien said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    Scorchien said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    Scorchien said:
     You are not the only person .. there are many that think this is a great time in gaming .. In your own head you are the only one .. But your soapbox is very tall i imagine ...

              BTW 7DTD is on mutli platforms also .. time to move the goalposts some more
    I have read one other person say its the best era in gaming. I have read more that have said its a good era..I am not saying its good...I am saying its the BEST EVER.

    7DTD kickster totalled $500,000
    Witcher 3 had $81 million dollars 

    but yeah...you win the entire point because 7DTD is on console
    funny .. im not trying to win anything here .. just trying to talk you in from a ledge ..

     
    why? because I think a company that had $500,000 sold nearly 1/3 as many copies as a company that had 81 million dollars? That is a 162 times difference. They should be outselling these indies by a HUGE margin, not just enough to make the difference in sales price

    you dont find that remotely note worthy?

    I am sorry but UNFINISHED games, of INDIE, LOW BUDGET, NEARLY NO ADVERTSING it IS note worthy
    not really note worthy ,particularly when common sense realizes that they are targeting two very different audiences .. 7DTD and the like have been a much more popular genre in recent years and multi player ..W3 is made for a smaller audience and a very specific one to boot

    7days and games in that genre have  a much wider audience ..there fore more units will sell , partiu;ar;y when they are sold at up to 75% off 4 times a year ...for 4 years ...

     W3 is realtivley new still and has not seen a sale with more than 10% of its price tag

     
    consider this

    The budget difference alone is 162 times. So if you make that 1/3 because of sales price then Witcher 3 should be selling 54 times more copies then 7DTD. Because 7DTD is not even released yet its actually STARTING at a high number.

    and your reply is that the demographic of a UNFINISHED game is larger than that of a FINISHED AAA Title when considering cost ratio?

    seriously?
    lol wtf .. these other games have been out for over 4-5 years .. They should have more units sold ...especially when they give it away for pennies at times ..

      wtf is wrong with you
    no they should not.

    do you know why?

    because they are UNFINISHED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! they are INDIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! they are LOW BUDGET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! they have almost NO ADVERTISING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    to expect a game that is
    UNFINISHED,
     INDIE,
    LOW BUDGET
    Almost No Adversting

    to be ANYTHING higher than 1/54th the sales numbers is note worthy unless there is about a 10 year difference and dollar made per dollar spent these game are kicking the Witcher in the balls

    That all said, what is the point of this debate anyway exactly? please explain
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  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Houston, TXMember EpicPosts: 16,435
    edited December 5
    I just did some math.

    ROI per dollar spent for 7DTD is 1:132
    For Witcher 3 its 1:14

    7DTD is not even released yet, Witcher 3 is released and has been for awhile

    That is noteworthy to pay attention to and I assure you in board rooms these gaming companies are paying attention to those numbers
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  • CrazKanukCrazKanuk Elmira, ONMember EpicPosts: 5,876
    SEANMCAD said:
    CrazKanuk said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    CrazKanuk said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    Nilden said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    Private Server games are the way to go, they are exploding in fantasticism. (word I just made up).

    and in my opinion so much so it makes this era of gaming the best in history

    Yeah and I think classic WoW was the best news all year. What does that say about 2017 tho? If you have to list emulators and private servers...
    I might have the alphas wrong but for this year:
    7 Days to Die Alpha 16
    Emperium Galaxic Survival Alpha 6
    Space Engineers Beta
    Medevil Engineers
    Subnautica (although no MP I dont think)
    Life is Fuedual MMO release

    my time is limited today but I can go on if you need

    'classic wow' can suck me


    I think that you illustrate one of the major problems in the industry right now, too. That is game state. All but one of the games you mention here is in some state of test. Now, I'll cut you off at the pass, I understand how games these days utilize Early Access. HOWEVER!! That doesn't change the fact that I cannot tell you, at a glance, what the state of the game is or what features that are selling features to ME are actually in the game. Now, I'm ok with that in many cases. However, that doesn't change the fact that you're buying into something  that is somewhat nebulous. 

    In the context of this discussion, I don't know how those fit in. Are we going to start awarding GOTY awards to games in alpha? I think that Early Access only complicates the process of selecting things like "Most <insert award> of 2018" that much more difficult, since predictability of these indie titles approaches impossible. 

    I could not remotely give a fuck what 'state' the game is in.

    They are fun.

    So ok, then fine....in a few years it will be the best era of gaming ever when these titles 'come out'.....rolls eyes


    also just for fun observation.
    The three top 'early access' titles combined sold more than Witcher 3 on ALL platforms.

    If you are rolling your eyes, you obviously aren't getting "it". That's great that you, someone spending 20 hours a week talking about games (speculative), knows what is good and what isn't. The point is that the reason that it's a bad thing is that these games aren't actually being exposed to casual gamers at the same level. That's what you're not getting. 

    I'm not disputing sales and I'm not bashing these games, like you think that I am, I'm just saying that, in the context of this article, it complicates the job of critics to say what's good and what's not good in any given year because release dates are no longer predicted. 

    Also, the release cycle is MUCH different. Take a look at Ark, for instance. Sold MILLIONS!!! in early access, what were the sales after release? Very few. So, in it's release year, should it get GOTY consideration? All the hype behind the game is gone. In fact, I'd be surprised if many critics didn't just forget it had even released. This is what I mean by complicated. Ark was awesome..... but it was awesome in alpha, all that love kinda melted away before release. 
    again..

    then for you that means in a few more years it will be the best era in gaming ever, for me its now.

    you are making the choice to not play good games and instead look at bad ones and complain.

    that is the bottom line here, regardless of my eye roll.

    are we done?

    oh and I have 1000+ hours in 7 days to die around 300 hundern in SE, and no it not testing for me and no its not filled with bugs


    I'm so glad that you've had so much fun with these games but, again, unless it's released, a general consumer cannot make the assumption that these are not bug-riddled games. A consumer can't even really get a review on these because they don't exist yet. So it's not about choice, it's about the fact that most are unaware they even exist. 

    Crazkanuk

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  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Houston, TXMember EpicPosts: 16,435
    CrazKanuk said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    CrazKanuk said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    CrazKanuk said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    Nilden said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    Private Server games are the way to go, they are exploding in fantasticism. (word I just made up).

    and in my opinion so much so it makes this era of gaming the best in history

    Yeah and I think classic WoW was the best news all year. What does that say about 2017 tho? If you have to list emulators and private servers...
    I might have the alphas wrong but for this year:
    7 Days to Die Alpha 16
    Emperium Galaxic Survival Alpha 6
    Space Engineers Beta
    Medevil Engineers
    Subnautica (although no MP I dont think)
    Life is Fuedual MMO release

    my time is limited today but I can go on if you need

    'classic wow' can suck me


    I think that you illustrate one of the major problems in the industry right now, too. That is game state. All but one of the games you mention here is in some state of test. Now, I'll cut you off at the pass, I understand how games these days utilize Early Access. HOWEVER!! That doesn't change the fact that I cannot tell you, at a glance, what the state of the game is or what features that are selling features to ME are actually in the game. Now, I'm ok with that in many cases. However, that doesn't change the fact that you're buying into something  that is somewhat nebulous. 

    In the context of this discussion, I don't know how those fit in. Are we going to start awarding GOTY awards to games in alpha? I think that Early Access only complicates the process of selecting things like "Most <insert award> of 2018" that much more difficult, since predictability of these indie titles approaches impossible. 

    I could not remotely give a fuck what 'state' the game is in.

    They are fun.

    So ok, then fine....in a few years it will be the best era of gaming ever when these titles 'come out'.....rolls eyes


    also just for fun observation.
    The three top 'early access' titles combined sold more than Witcher 3 on ALL platforms.

    If you are rolling your eyes, you obviously aren't getting "it". That's great that you, someone spending 20 hours a week talking about games (speculative), knows what is good and what isn't. The point is that the reason that it's a bad thing is that these games aren't actually being exposed to casual gamers at the same level. That's what you're not getting. 

    I'm not disputing sales and I'm not bashing these games, like you think that I am, I'm just saying that, in the context of this article, it complicates the job of critics to say what's good and what's not good in any given year because release dates are no longer predicted. 

    Also, the release cycle is MUCH different. Take a look at Ark, for instance. Sold MILLIONS!!! in early access, what were the sales after release? Very few. So, in it's release year, should it get GOTY consideration? All the hype behind the game is gone. In fact, I'd be surprised if many critics didn't just forget it had even released. This is what I mean by complicated. Ark was awesome..... but it was awesome in alpha, all that love kinda melted away before release. 
    again..

    then for you that means in a few more years it will be the best era in gaming ever, for me its now.

    you are making the choice to not play good games and instead look at bad ones and complain.

    that is the bottom line here, regardless of my eye roll.

    are we done?

    oh and I have 1000+ hours in 7 days to die around 300 hundern in SE, and no it not testing for me and no its not filled with bugs


    I'm so glad that you've had so much fun with these games but, again, unless it's released, a general consumer cannot make the assumption that these are not bug-riddled games. A consumer can't even really get a review on these because they don't exist yet. So it's not about choice, it's about the fact that most are unaware they even exist. 
    well what does the general consumer have to do with this other than nothing whatsoever?

    Having done some math the 'general consumer' is voting 7DTD at a ROI of 1:142 compared to Witchers ROI of 1:14 so it appears the 'general consumers' ARE actually buying these games but the 'general consumer' is not the subject here.

    The subject here is:
     GamerX: 'Games these days suck'
    SEANMCAD: 'Games today are awesome, would you like to know about such games?'
    GamerX: 'no'

    you are gamer X

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  • AvarixAvarix Chicago, ILMember UncommonPosts: 602
    I agree, I wouldn't like to have to create any lists / awards for the MMO genre this year, but then I've felt the same for the last 5 years or so. This year is just a bit worse as I don't think we've had any western MMOs release, so you're limited to eastern MMOs and expansions. 


    If you broaden your lists to include any online multiplayer games, or just games in general, then its not so bad. The games industry as a whole isn't doing too badly - the RPG genre is pretty stale but other genres are having more success. 
    Well, the RPG genre itself did see D:OS2 release (I know, just one release, but so good a title as to make up for it), so it's really been MMORPGs specifically.

    Oh well.  There's always next year.
    Yeah, I first passed on Divinity Original Sin 2 because of my issues with the first game. I ended up grabbing it because of the comments from you. You had the same exact issues I had with the original and later commented you liked the second. Really glad I ended up picking it up though. Easily my favorite game of the year.

    I also enjoyed Path of Fire. I pre-ordered Stormblood, but just put in my code and unlocked it last week since I was busy with GW2. Enjoying that as well so far. WoW, FFXIV, and Guild Wars 2 are not my ideal MMOs but once I accepted them for what they are, instead of what I wanted them to be, I started having a lot more fun with them. They keep me plenty busy until I can find a long term MMORPG home.
  • EldurianEldurian Member EpicPosts: 1,867
    @SEANMCAD ;

    LiF says it's slated for a 2017 release but if you go on their website it offers a beta sign-up. They are at the stage that if you own LiF:YO you can actually test the MMO version of the game. But they appear to still be waiting on full release.

    If it actually will be a 2017 release they have very limited time to do it. Guessing we'll see it in 2018.
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  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Houston, TXMember EpicPosts: 16,435
    Eldurian said:
    @SEANMCAD ;

    LiF says it's slated for a 2017 release but if you go on their website it offers a beta sign-up. They are at the stage that if you own LiF:YO you can actually test the MMO version of the game. But they appear to still be waiting on full release.

    If it actually will be a 2017 release they have very limited time to do it. Guessing we'll see it in 2018.
    I was just throwing out examples somewhat randomly to make a point.

    This year in my opinion the excitement has been around major updates more so then full released games

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  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 15,001
    Nilden said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    Private Server games are the way to go, they are exploding in fantasticism. (word I just made up).

    and in my opinion so much so it makes this era of gaming the best in history

    Yeah and I think classic WoW was the best news all year. What does that say about 2017 tho? If you have to list emulators and private servers...
    You're funny. First you lament, every year (like every other past mmo gamer), how there aren't new things to get your fix off of and then go on to talk about stuff that was relevant a decade ago like it was the best thing.

    If those best things are there for you to enjoy how was this year a bad MMO year? The people that had their online games close this year and haven't found a new community home, those are the people who've had a bad MMO year.

    MMO gamers: I want some new MMO high every year, but I want it all to stay the same and never change.

    The lists this year are going to be epic because this was a crazy year for gaming. There hasn't been a year this epic in a while. There were more interesting games released across all platforms and genres, especially the Switch, than I can recall in any recent year.
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  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Houston, TXMember EpicPosts: 16,435
    Torval said:
    Nilden said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    Private Server games are the way to go, they are exploding in fantasticism. (word I just made up).

    and in my opinion so much so it makes this era of gaming the best in history

    Yeah and I think classic WoW was the best news all year. What does that say about 2017 tho? If you have to list emulators and private servers...
    You're funny. First you lament, every year (like every other past mmo gamer), how there aren't new things to get your fix off of and then go on to talk about stuff that was relevant a decade ago like it was the best thing.

    If those best things are there for you to enjoy how was this year a bad MMO year? The people that had their online games close this year and haven't found a new community home, those are the people who've had a bad MMO year.

    MMO gamers: I want some new MMO high every year, but I want it all to stay the same and never change.

    The lists this year are going to be epic because this was a crazy year for gaming. There hasn't been a year this epic in a while. There were more interesting games released across all platforms and genres, especially the Switch, than I can recall in any recent year.
    they are in a marketing victim cycle.
    I know this because I used to be the same way. you just sit and wait for months for something like Gamespot to make a major splash about some cool game then that is what your supposed to like for 6 months before it comes out. Then when its ready to come out you are so hyped up you need to spend the money for release, then you do and the game is meh.

    then you do it again...and again...until you finally stop

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  • NildenNilden Canada, NBMember RarePosts: 2,309
    Torval said:
    Nilden said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    Private Server games are the way to go, they are exploding in fantasticism. (word I just made up).

    and in my opinion so much so it makes this era of gaming the best in history

    Yeah and I think classic WoW was the best news all year. What does that say about 2017 tho? If you have to list emulators and private servers...
    You're funny. First you lament, every year (like every other past mmo gamer), how there aren't new things to get your fix off of and then go on to talk about stuff that was relevant a decade ago like it was the best thing.

    If those best things are there for you to enjoy how was this year a bad MMO year? The people that had their online games close this year and haven't found a new community home, those are the people who've had a bad MMO year.

    MMO gamers: I want some new MMO high every year, but I want it all to stay the same and never change.

    The lists this year are going to be epic because this was a crazy year for gaming. There hasn't been a year this epic in a while. There were more interesting games released across all platforms and genres, especially the Switch, than I can recall in any recent year.
    Thanks for telling me what I am doing and putting words into my mouth.

    Oh please enlighten me on how epic a MMORPG list and the awards will be for 2017.

    Are we giving out awards for not-so-crap cash shop?

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