Petition rapidly growing for EA to lose Star Wars license passes 110k signers.

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  • k61977k61977 Pendleton, SCMember RarePosts: 784
    I will be honest a friend sent me a request to sign it so I did.  I know it will not change anything because Disney wouldn't pull it because they would end up having to pay EA a massive amount of money in penalties. 

    What I would like the petition to do is open the eyes of companies giving exclusive control over IP's that were not created by that said company.  If other companies could buy into the license also it would give the companies competition to make better games, because the one that does it right is the one that would most likely bring in the money.  Selling all rights to one company does no one any good other than the CEO's that got massive payouts upfront for the licensing agreement.  So just maybe when this license agreement is finally over and star wars is most likely on the back burner for another 10 years they will think about how stupid this agreement was and how it could have hurt the IP in the long run.
  • cameltosiscameltosis ipswichMember EpicPosts: 1,741



    I really do hate exclusive licenses. I can understand the appeal for both developers/publishers as well as the IP holders, but for us as consumers it sucks. 

    Disney (the license owner) has no obligation to make it "not suck" for you. It is always a two-way street. The IP owner can do whatever he/she pleases and if you like the product, you buy and enjoy.

    Star Wars does not belong to you. Just like when George Lucas has the license, he could sit on it for decades without making a movie, and then made 3 bad movies. 

    Can you really blame the IP owner trying to milk their property? 
    Way to miss the point.....
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  • btdtbtdt Member UncommonPosts: 151
    Funny thing is... people are really only complaining about micro transactions here, not that the game is a complete disaster.  The people who care about such things are in the minority even though their voice may appear to be the majority.

    This is merely a bump in the road.  It will be forgotten as soon as the next big game gets released.  They know it and you know it.
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  • beebop500beebop500 IndianaMember UncommonPosts: 162
    DMKano said:
    Good luck with the petition and all that.

    It won't do diddly squat.


    You are 100% correct.  People are still buying the game in droves, and I'd love to know how many credit cards have been swiped so folks can "win."  One can only assume that regardless of the backlash, EA and Disney are laughing all the way to the bank.
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  • holdenfiveholdenfive Member UncommonPosts: 151
    This is fringing on pathetic. Does anyone even know the terms of the deal EA signed? Do you understand that EA may have already paid upfront for the license, or are simply agreeing to pay Disney a set amount periodically over the course of the agreement? Meaning that Disney simply values their IP in this purpose at a set amount, which they're already getting, and however EA can turn around and use that investment to profit is entirely on them.

     The buck stops there. And considering that is the type of arrangement EA has with the NFL for their exclusive rights (a deal we actually know some things about) then there's little reason to assume it's mechanically much different and that's probably an industry type of deal. Even if EA is entirely incompetent as a developer and can't manage to make a decent Star Wars game, Disney won't care (just like the NFL doesn't care), they've already valued the rights at a certain amount and EA were always going to be the highest bidder for those rights. It's called business buckos, and pleading because 'muh feelings' about perfectly legal and sound business decisions from both entities is overtly infantile.
  • OG_ZorvanOG_Zorvan Member UncommonPosts: 957
    This is fringing on pathetic. Does anyone even know the terms of the deal EA signed? Do you understand that EA may have already paid upfront for the license, or are simply agreeing to pay Disney a set amount periodically over the course of the agreement? Meaning that Disney simply values their IP in this purpose at a set amount, which they're already getting, and however EA can turn around and use that investment to profit is entirely on them.

     The buck stops there. And considering that is the type of arrangement EA has with the NFL for their exclusive rights (a deal we actually know some things about) then there's little reason to assume it's mechanically much different and that's probably an industry type of deal. Even if EA is entirely incompetent as a developer and can't manage to make a decent Star Wars game, Disney won't care (just like the NFL doesn't care), they've already valued the rights at a certain amount and EA were always going to be the highest bidder for those rights. It's called business buckos, and pleading because 'muh feelings' about perfectly legal and sound business decisions from both entities is overtly infantile.
    If you think Disney doesn't have an iron-clad clause for getting out of the contract any time they want, you're naive.
  • holdenfiveholdenfive Member UncommonPosts: 151
    OG_Zorvan said:
    This is fringing on pathetic. Does anyone even know the terms of the deal EA signed? Do you understand that EA may have already paid upfront for the license, or are simply agreeing to pay Disney a set amount periodically over the course of the agreement? Meaning that Disney simply values their IP in this purpose at a set amount, which they're already getting, and however EA can turn around and use that investment to profit is entirely on them.

     The buck stops there. And considering that is the type of arrangement EA has with the NFL for their exclusive rights (a deal we actually know some things about) then there's little reason to assume it's mechanically much different and that's probably an industry type of deal. Even if EA is entirely incompetent as a developer and can't manage to make a decent Star Wars game, Disney won't care (just like the NFL doesn't care), they've already valued the rights at a certain amount and EA were always going to be the highest bidder for those rights. It's called business buckos, and pleading because 'muh feelings' about perfectly legal and sound business decisions from both entities is overtly infantile.
    If you think Disney doesn't have an iron-clad clause for getting out of the contract any time they want, you're naive.
    rofl yeah I'm the naive one. That's too fucking rich. My post doesn't address that at all, for a very good reason, because it's irrelevant. They're not going to 'get out of the contract' because you want them to. Deal with it.
  • bonzoso21bonzoso21 Member UncommonPosts: 140
    beebop500 said:
    DMKano said:
    Good luck with the petition and all that.

    It won't do diddly squat.


    You are 100% correct.  People are still buying the game in droves, and I'd love to know how many credit cards have been swiped so folks can "win." 
    The answer is none. The game still has no real-money transactions. They will presumably reenable them at some point, but until then, there is no pay-to-win in BF2. 
  • HeraseHerase LondonMember RarePosts: 917
    rofl yeah I'm the naive one. That's too fucking rich. My post doesn't address that at all, for a very good reason, because it's irrelevant. They're not going to 'get out of the contract' because you want them to. Deal with it.
    Maybe or maybe not. I do think if EA cause more problems like they did with BF2 where Disney had to tell them to "chill the fuck out", we could probably see them losing it.

    I think if it causes enough commotion with customers to the point, press and other outlets start talking about it, bringing more bad press to the IP, I don't think it's unreasonable to think Disney might call it quits.

    imho I think out right denying that anything could happen at this point is a little unreasonable, not saying it's a high chance at all, it could be 1%, but the fact they've been called out by Disney once, means it can happen again and I think if repeats, they could lose it or something else.
  • holdenfiveholdenfive Member UncommonPosts: 151
    edited December 6
    Herase said:
    rofl yeah I'm the naive one. That's too fucking rich. My post doesn't address that at all, for a very good reason, because it's irrelevant. They're not going to 'get out of the contract' because you want them to. Deal with it.
    Maybe or maybe not. I do think if EA cause more problems like they did with BF2 where Disney had to tell them to "chill the fuck out", we could probably see them losing it.

    I think if it causes enough commotion with customers to the point, press and other outlets start talking about it, bringing more bad press to the IP, I don't think it's unreasonable to think Disney might call it quits.

    imho I think out right denying that anything could happen at this point is a little unreasonable, not saying it's a high chance at all, it could be 1%, but the fact they've been called out by Disney once, means it can happen again and I think if repeats, they could lose it or something else.

     Disney didn't pay 4 billion dollars to own the most lucrative IP in the world so that a bunch of internet plebs can tell them what they need to do with it. And Disney certainly isn't going to completely alienate the only developer likely willing to pay them what these rights are actually worth because of "Rabble Rabble Rabble Rabble." The only thing unreasonable here is even entertaining that you have any say in multi million dollar transactions of massive billion dollar media conglomerates. You don't in this case and you never will. There's also a non zero probability that you will suddenly disappear from your computer chair and suddenly appear on Mars, but the difference is you're not here pretending to know something about quantum mechanics so thankfully we can avoid that equally ridiculous conversation.  

    But thanks for the laugh anyways fellas.
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  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Nashville, TNMember EpicPosts: 2,974
    edited December 6
    beebop500 said:
    DMKano said:
    Good luck with the petition and all that.

    It won't do diddly squat.


    You are 100% correct.  People are still buying the game in droves, and I'd love to know how many credit cards have been swiped so folks can "win."  One can only assume that regardless of the backlash, EA and Disney are laughing all the way to the bank.
    There's actually been no press release on sales other than a UK article noting physical sales were down 60% compared to Battlefront 1.

    It failed to top the sales charts in its first week on the UK as well.

    So there's actually evidence to suggest that sales were substantially affected.  Also, as far as I know, the loot box MTX system is still currently removed.  So I don't think many have swiped their way to victory yet.

    And since, more recently, the chief financial officer for EA has went from "when" they bring back MTX to "whether" they will, the backlash has likely caused more significant waves than a lot of other cynics are giving it credit for.

    However, I do agree this petition will not get Disney to rescind any kind of licensing contract, supposing they even could in this instance.
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  • CrazKanukCrazKanuk Elmira, ONMember EpicPosts: 5,876
    beebop500 said:
    DMKano said:
    Good luck with the petition and all that.

    It won't do diddly squat.


    You are 100% correct.  People are still buying the game in droves, and I'd love to know how many credit cards have been swiped so folks can "win."  One can only assume that regardless of the backlash, EA and Disney are laughing all the way to the bank.

    I was actually surprised it got 100k signatures. If SWG got that many it might still be around. That being said, just as with most protests, this appears to have burned quickly. It was "rapidly" gaining signatures at 110k, and you could see it going up by the second. Now it appears to be a trickle. What can I say, it appears that... squirrel! 

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  • RexKushmanRexKushman lake como, NJMember RarePosts: 404
    beebop500 said:
    DMKano said:
    Good luck with the petition and all that.

    It won't do diddly squat.


    You are 100% correct.  People are still buying the game in droves, and I'd love to know how many credit cards have been swiped so folks can "win."  One can only assume that regardless of the backlash, EA and Disney are laughing all the way to the bank.
    Kinda hard to swipe any credit cards when they removed the ability to by crates with RL money at launch. Not that there was anything in them that was P2W in the first place. If you're not very good at fps games there isnt a single card in those crates thats going to help you win.
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  • HeraseHerase LondonMember RarePosts: 917
    Herase said:
    rofl yeah I'm the naive one. That's too fucking rich. My post doesn't address that at all, for a very good reason, because it's irrelevant. They're not going to 'get out of the contract' because you want them to. Deal with it.
    Maybe or maybe not. I do think if EA cause more problems like they did with BF2 where Disney had to tell them to "chill the fuck out", we could probably see them losing it.

    I think if it causes enough commotion with customers to the point, press and other outlets start talking about it, bringing more bad press to the IP, I don't think it's unreasonable to think Disney might call it quits.

    imho I think out right denying that anything could happen at this point is a little unreasonable, not saying it's a high chance at all, it could be 1%, but the fact they've been called out by Disney once, means it can happen again and I think if repeats, they could lose it or something else.

     Disney didn't pay 4 billion dollars to own the most lucrative IP in the world so that a bunch of internet plebs can tell them what they need to do with it. And Disney certainly isn't going to completely alienate the only developer likely willing to pay them what these rights are actually worth because of "Rabble Rabble Rabble Rabble." The only thing unreasonable here is even entertaining that you have any say in multi million dollar transactions of massive billion dollar media conglomerates. You don't in this case and you never will. There's also a non zero probability that you will suddenly disappear from your computer chair and suddenly appear on Mars, but the difference is you're not here pretending to know something about quantum mechanics so thankfully we can avoid that equally ridiculous conversation.  

    But thanks for the laugh anyways fellas.
    Damn, just sharing my thoughts, never claimed anything. Didn't have to be a dick about it, fucking hell lol
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  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 15,001
    Herase said:
    Herase said:
    rofl yeah I'm the naive one. That's too fucking rich. My post doesn't address that at all, for a very good reason, because it's irrelevant. They're not going to 'get out of the contract' because you want them to. Deal with it.
    Maybe or maybe not. I do think if EA cause more problems like they did with BF2 where Disney had to tell them to "chill the fuck out", we could probably see them losing it.

    I think if it causes enough commotion with customers to the point, press and other outlets start talking about it, bringing more bad press to the IP, I don't think it's unreasonable to think Disney might call it quits.

    imho I think out right denying that anything could happen at this point is a little unreasonable, not saying it's a high chance at all, it could be 1%, but the fact they've been called out by Disney once, means it can happen again and I think if repeats, they could lose it or something else.

     Disney didn't pay 4 billion dollars to own the most lucrative IP in the world so that a bunch of internet plebs can tell them what they need to do with it. And Disney certainly isn't going to completely alienate the only developer likely willing to pay them what these rights are actually worth because of "Rabble Rabble Rabble Rabble." The only thing unreasonable here is even entertaining that you have any say in multi million dollar transactions of massive billion dollar media conglomerates. You don't in this case and you never will. There's also a non zero probability that you will suddenly disappear from your computer chair and suddenly appear on Mars, but the difference is you're not here pretending to know something about quantum mechanics so thankfully we can avoid that equally ridiculous conversation.  

    But thanks for the laugh anyways fellas.
    Damn, just sharing my thoughts, never claimed anything. Didn't have to be a dick about it, fucking hell lol
    Wow, that dude is an angry person.

    Disney has shown, with Marvel Heroes, that they do have protections built into their contracts of some nature. It's not illogical to suppose that they have something like that built into their contract with EA as well.

    The Gazillion was underperforming and has a sex scandal raining over its head for an IP owned by a family friendly trademarked brand name. That probably put them in a great position especially since Gaz was broke and couldn't fight a legal battle anyway.

    EA isn't in that position now at all. Disney occasionally faces that same sort of backlash themselves (lookup Disneyland and Anaheim residents). As long as this is a small bump in the road and managed well, then I think nothing will come of it.

    People need to consider things from the perspective of Disney. If they ditch EA who are they going to trust with their IP? Who has the resources and money and experience to pull off a mass market global release better than EA? Acti-Blizz? That's about it. So if they ditch EA, then Activision/Blizzard has the bargaining advantage.
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    has movie IP video game ever worked? or vice versa.

    its almost always a non-starter shit show

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  • FonclFoncl Member UncommonPosts: 268
    It would be interesting to see Valve get the Star Wars license. Imagine a Star Wars game with the quality of the Half-Life or Portal games released on Steam, I think it would sell a few copies. 

    Unfortunately big IP's seem to primarily be used for selling mediocre games that you can make with low effort/cost, which is what EA does with the Star Wars IP imo. If you don't have a famous IP you actually have to make good games to sell a lot. It would be interesting to see how well a really good Star Wars game could sell though, the only ones I've found good were Biowares Knights of the Old Republic games.
  • IselinIselin Vancouver, BCMember LegendaryPosts: 10,262
    beebop500 said:
    DMKano said:
    Good luck with the petition and all that.

    It won't do diddly squat.


    You are 100% correct.  People are still buying the game in droves, and I'd love to know how many credit cards have been swiped so folks can "win."  One can only assume that regardless of the backlash, EA and Disney are laughing all the way to the bank.
    Kinda hard to swipe any credit cards when they removed the ability to by crates with RL money at launch. Not that there was anything in them that was P2W in the first place. If you're not very good at fps games there isnt a single card in those crates thats going to help you win.
    Yeah nice logic dude. How about two people of equal ability one swiping and one not?

    Yup, no P2W happening there whatsoever.
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  • IselinIselin Vancouver, BCMember LegendaryPosts: 10,262
    Foncl said:
    It would be interesting to see Valve get the Star Wars license. Imagine a Star Wars game with the quality of the Half-Life or Portal games released on Steam, I think it would sell a few copies. 

    Unfortunately big IP's seem to primarily be used for selling mediocre games that you can make with low effort/cost, which is what EA does with the Star Wars IP imo. If you don't have a famous IP you actually have to make good games to sell a lot. It would be interesting to see how well a really good Star Wars game could sell though, the only ones I've found good were Biowares Knights of the Old Republic games.
    Well if we're going to talk about wishes, assuming one likes SW themed games in the first place, non-exclusive multiple licenses to a whole bunch of developers would be the clear best from the player's perspective wouldn't it?

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    With the mystery tramp, but now you realize
    He's not selling any alibis
    As you stare into the vacuum of his eyes
    And say "Do you want to make a deal?"
  • Flyte27Flyte27 Greenwich, CTMember RarePosts: 4,170
    Foncl said:
    It would be interesting to see Valve get the Star Wars license. Imagine a Star Wars game with the quality of the Half-Life or Portal games released on Steam, I think it would sell a few copies. 

    Unfortunately big IP's seem to primarily be used for selling mediocre games that you can make with low effort/cost, which is what EA does with the Star Wars IP imo. If you don't have a famous IP you actually have to make good games to sell a lot. It would be interesting to see how well a really good Star Wars game could sell though, the only ones I've found good were Biowares Knights of the Old Republic games.
    I agree, but I don't believe Valve has made a game in a very long time.  I actually enjoyed Left for Dead more than Half Life for some reason.  I could never get into that game.  People are still waiting for a sequel, but I doubt they will make any games if they can make a profit off other peoples work.  

    I bet CD Red Project would make a good Witcher game.  They are the only ones in recent times that has made a game I enjoy short of console games like Uncharted 4.  If they made a Star Wars game I would have high hopes.  Then again if the main character is like Ciri I doubt I would enjoy the game.  I didn't enjoy the vision they had for her.  I much preferred Syanna from the expansion Blood and Wine.  Hopefully they would let you choose what main character you would like to play like in the KOTOR and Mass Effect games.
  • alkarionlogalkarionlog SMember UncommonPosts: 1,433
    i'm more curious about what will happen after, yeah i'm wondering what PR move they will pull, I signed worst it can happen is change nothing, in other hand it can make then stay on they toes a little, its like they crusade againsts piracy saying they lose money becasue people not bough it because they took the pirated copy, sometimes they worry more about possible gains then real gains
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  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Houston, TXMember EpicPosts: 16,435
    Iselin said:
    Foncl said:
    It would be interesting to see Valve get the Star Wars license. Imagine a Star Wars game with the quality of the Half-Life or Portal games released on Steam, I think it would sell a few copies. 

    Unfortunately big IP's seem to primarily be used for selling mediocre games that you can make with low effort/cost, which is what EA does with the Star Wars IP imo. If you don't have a famous IP you actually have to make good games to sell a lot. It would be interesting to see how well a really good Star Wars game could sell though, the only ones I've found good were Biowares Knights of the Old Republic games.
    Well if we're going to talk about wishes, assuming one likes SW themed games in the first place, non-exclusive multiple licenses to a whole bunch of developers would be the clear best from the player's perspective wouldn't it?

    yes and I could see it would be good for SW as well as far becoming even more of pop culture.

    I personally think games are better not spending the millions of dollars on an fictional IP and instead just pouring that money into development of game play of ones own creation. 

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  • cameltosiscameltosis ipswichMember EpicPosts: 1,741
    Torval said:

    People need to consider things from the perspective of Disney. If they ditch EA who are they going to trust with their IP? Who has the resources and money and experience to pull off a mass market global release better than EA? Acti-Blizz? That's about it. So if they ditch EA, then Activision/Blizzard has the bargaining advantage.
    Do away with an exclusive license altogether and open up the license to everyone. Judge each proposal on a case-by-case basis and accept/reject individually. 


    So, for example, I'd love to see Creative Assembly do a Total War version of Star Wars. 
    I'd love to see Bethesda do an Elder Scrolls / Fallout style Star Wars game.
    I'd like to see either RockStar or Ubisoft do an open-world action/adventure game. 
    I'd like to see *someone* do a new pod racer game (codemasters?)
    I'd like to see whoever built Gears of War do a Star Wars shooter. 


    An exclusive license locks you into a single developer / publisher which dramatically reduces your options for types of games. I mean, can you imagine EA ever releasing a good SW RPG?


    Also, you are forgetting Disney themselves. They have the knowledge and experience to pull off a global mass market release, they just don't know how to develop the games themselves. Nothing to stop them funding a studio to do the development, then publishing under Disney. 
  • holdenfiveholdenfive Member UncommonPosts: 151
    Torval said:
    Herase said:
    Herase said:
    rofl yeah I'm the naive one. That's too fucking rich. My post doesn't address that at all, for a very good reason, because it's irrelevant. They're not going to 'get out of the contract' because you want them to. Deal with it.
    Maybe or maybe not. I do think if EA cause more problems like they did with BF2 where Disney had to tell them to "chill the fuck out", we could probably see them losing it.

    I think if it causes enough commotion with customers to the point, press and other outlets start talking about it, bringing more bad press to the IP, I don't think it's unreasonable to think Disney might call it quits.

    imho I think out right denying that anything could happen at this point is a little unreasonable, not saying it's a high chance at all, it could be 1%, but the fact they've been called out by Disney once, means it can happen again and I think if repeats, they could lose it or something else.

     Disney didn't pay 4 billion dollars to own the most lucrative IP in the world so that a bunch of internet plebs can tell them what they need to do with it. And Disney certainly isn't going to completely alienate the only developer likely willing to pay them what these rights are actually worth because of "Rabble Rabble Rabble Rabble." The only thing unreasonable here is even entertaining that you have any say in multi million dollar transactions of massive billion dollar media conglomerates. You don't in this case and you never will. There's also a non zero probability that you will suddenly disappear from your computer chair and suddenly appear on Mars, but the difference is you're not here pretending to know something about quantum mechanics so thankfully we can avoid that equally ridiculous conversation.  

    But thanks for the laugh anyways fellas.
    Damn, just sharing my thoughts, never claimed anything. Didn't have to be a dick about it, fucking hell lol
    Wow, that dude is an angry person.

    I'm not angry, I just don't like when people get into busybody activist mode about (insert cause) when there is a serious lack on their part of the required fundamentals and wisdom to make a meaningful change. Even assuming that this is something that gamers could actually impact (it isn't) it sets a bad precedent I don't think people are even aware of. If you can't arm yourself with practical knowledge and information, even assuming you could present solutions to what you consider a problem, they wouldn't be the right solutions anyways and it would be no better than what we already have.

    So I treat toy dog yapping with contempt. Nobody has a problem with that, except the toy dog.
  • RexKushmanRexKushman lake como, NJMember RarePosts: 404
    Iselin said:
    beebop500 said:
    DMKano said:
    Good luck with the petition and all that.

    It won't do diddly squat.


    You are 100% correct.  People are still buying the game in droves, and I'd love to know how many credit cards have been swiped so folks can "win."  One can only assume that regardless of the backlash, EA and Disney are laughing all the way to the bank.
    Kinda hard to swipe any credit cards when they removed the ability to by crates with RL money at launch. Not that there was anything in them that was P2W in the first place. If you're not very good at fps games there isnt a single card in those crates thats going to help you win.
    Yeah nice logic dude. How about two people of equal ability one swiping and one not?

    Yup, no P2W happening there whatsoever.
    Even if there were 2 completely equal ability players they would have to play the exact same number of matches with the exact same class and build their decks the exact same way to stay equal too eachother. That just isnt reality.  Having played the game everyday since launch and only buying crates with in game credits I truely dont see anything in those crates thats P2W, theres nothing in them that you cant earn in game.  

    Now I understand that people hate EA because... reasons and that gamble boxes are a very controversial thing in gaming these days but people calling the game P2W are being very disingenuous.  I'll continue to play and enjoy the game, I'm sorry that some people can't do the same.
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