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  • Loke666Loke666 KalmarMember EpicPosts: 20,995
    edited December 8
    Eldurian said:
    I was really expecting MMOs to be the pinnacle of gaming. They have far more potential than any other genre. But we've got stuck in this endless loop of making the same general game over and over. In the early 2000s the games that were the best examples of the raw potential of MMOs and what that could someday be were EVE and Wurm.

    In 2017, soon to be 2018, the best examples of the raw potential of MMOs and what they could someday be are EVE and Wurm.

    We've taken 10 years to find out that consumers don't want repackaged WoW over and over. And really the main game development companies still haven't figured that out. The only reason there is potential for decent MMOs at some point in our future is kickstarters.
    Agreed.

    The funny thing is that a lot of people still claim they want something just like Wow but whenever one releases they play it for 2 weeks before getting tired of it.

    When one compare the difference between innovation 1996-2003 and 204-2017 it is a rather sad thing. Usually innovation the last era is small features like group finders and similar. A few are better like dynamic events but those have never been used as well as they should.

    And often when someone have a good idea like phasing they overuse it so instead of being a fun thing it get annoying really fast. Let's not even mention cutscenes...

    The worst thing is that the skill rotation that annoyed me in Meridian 59 is still there, just worse. 
    Homers idea of having one of those drinking birds to handle they keyboard could probably win most PvE combat today.

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  • sunandshadowsunandshadow Pittsburgh, PAMember UncommonPosts: 1,723
    I think I've gained some of my ability to be persuasive, funny, and aware of body language from tv and movies.  Certainly tv has a huge impact on what people dress like.  But you're talking to a woman who has dressed like a hippie, goth, or punk at various points in high school and college.  ;)  I've had my hair black, red, blue-green, purple, in a mohawk, down to my hips...

    wow .. now i have more respect for you. I have never dressed beyond the narrow parameters of "business casual" for decades :(
    Lol, well I'll take that as a compliment.  I'm not really sure why one wouldn't wear printed t-shirts and shorts on summer weekends, or warm fleece pants on winter weekends.  I do have a friend who absolutely refuses to wear anything but the most ordinary clothes in public because he doesn't want to draw attention to himself.  When he was a kid he didn't get any support for doing anything creative, and then in high school he was bullied.  I've also known women who refuse to wear anything but the most concealing clothes due to having been bullied or sexualy harassed, or just having a deep discomfort with their body so they don't want it to be on display in any way.

    Me, I have had an excess of creativity coming out my ears since I was little, and I was never that concerned with other people's opinions.  Though there are things I won't wear, mainly makeup and dresses.  Not cause I hate them, but I'm not willing to go to that much work and they're not part of the image I want to present.
    I want to help design and develop a PvE-focused, solo-friendly, sandpark MMO which combines crafting, monster hunting, and story.  So PM me if you are starting one.
  • centkincentkin Asbury, NJMember UncommonPosts: 1,215
    What has mostly happened to the progression of MMORPGs is that computers stopped getting faster.  There were a lot of good ideas, that were implausible back in the day and still implausible now. 

    We won't see much improvement until computers actually make a leap in something more meaningful than graphics.
  • Jean-Luc_PicardJean-Luc_Picard La BarreMember EpicPosts: 6,649
    Eldurian said:
    Eldurian said:
    Eldurian said:
    We've taken 10 years to find out that consumers don't want repackaged WoW over and over. And really the main game development companies still haven't figured that out.
    Seems to me that at least 3 main MMORPG development companies actually HAVE figured that out.
    Since August 2012, AAA developers try something different. And it works. Except for those who actually believed they didn't want WoW/EQ clones, but are actually lost without them.
    Obviously the definition of "Repackaged WoW", "WoW Clone" etc. is up for considerable debate.

    I'd consider any general game that follows the general model of quest grinding to level cap and then running "endgame" content for "endgame" gear with some other major tropes like factions you select during character creation "zones" that are segregated by level and PvP status etc. All coming together to form "Repackaged WoW". So that would even include titles such as ArcheAge, Elder Scrolls Online, etc that may break the mold in a few key ways but still follow the same general model.

    I have noticed Themeparks these days tend to depart from WoW in more ways, and more meaningful ways, but overall they still just feel like repackaged WoW with some fancy new bells and whistles.

    The only two AAA titles that come to mind that break this model enough to be considered something different entirely are EVE and Runescape. And of course those are both actually indie titles that launched their company into AAA status with their success. 

    I'm curious which three you think are not though.
    If we listen to you, everything is an EQ/WoW clone.
    I think you confuse "theme park" with "EQ/WoW clone". Yeah, theme parks are theme parks, no kidding, but they aren't all a clone.
    Absolutely. The themepark model is probably the most cloned model in history.

    I've already cited 3 examples of MMOs that do not qualify as WoW clones by my definition. EVE, Runescape, Wurm. There are other titles that could fit in there. Darkfall, Mortal Online, etc. I'm not going to give game devs a pass and say "These are not clones" just because 99% of MMO developers choose to make clones though.

    But the ammount of features shared in common by themeparks is narrow enough to consider them all clones IMO. Age of Empires and Total War exist in the same genre (Real time strategy.) Empire Earth is an Age of Empires clone because it follows the same general model. Total War is not, it just shares a few key elements.

    Themeparks aren't a real genre. It's just a label thrown over the same general game model cloned so many times people started calling it a genre.
    GW2 or ESO are about as much WoW clones than WoW is an AC1 clone... I mean, AC1 had quests, WoW has quests, they can only be clones right? ;)
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  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Houston, TXMember EpicPosts: 16,435
    Kyleran said:


    lol .. are we talking about entertainment here? I am glad they don't "influence much more of our lives". 
    For those of us who grew up in the 80s and 90s, TV influenced our lives a ton.  Entertainment shapes culture.

    But is that a good thing? Do you talk like a tv character? Or dress like one? Don't get me wrong, i do enjoy a good tv show. But i was not going to start befriending 13 years old girls and hide them in a cabin just because that seems cool on The Stranger Things season 2. 
    While Stranger Things is great and all, can't say I would be adverse to befriending a few hot female prison inmates

    "I'll be back" c'mon who doesn't love quoting famous movie lines

    "Not even in the face of Armageddon"

    B)
    Stranger Things is far over rated. 
    Its not bad...but it doesnt rise to the quality of its fame by a long shot. All my personal friends (yes its true I have them) agree
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  • Jean-Luc_PicardJean-Luc_Picard La BarreMember EpicPosts: 6,649
    SEANMCAD said:
    Kyleran said:


    lol .. are we talking about entertainment here? I am glad they don't "influence much more of our lives". 
    For those of us who grew up in the 80s and 90s, TV influenced our lives a ton.  Entertainment shapes culture.

    But is that a good thing? Do you talk like a tv character? Or dress like one? Don't get me wrong, i do enjoy a good tv show. But i was not going to start befriending 13 years old girls and hide them in a cabin just because that seems cool on The Stranger Things season 2. 
    While Stranger Things is great and all, can't say I would be adverse to befriending a few hot female prison inmates

    "I'll be back" c'mon who doesn't love quoting famous movie lines

    "Not even in the face of Armageddon"

    B)
    Stranger Things is far over rated. 
    Its not bad...but it doesnt rise to the quality of its fame by a long shot. All my personal friends (yes its true I have them) agree
    Reminds me those guys who were like "I don't understand all my relatives and friends voted for Clinton, how could Trump have won?" ;)
    Kyleran
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  • setsua28setsua28 va, VAMember UncommonPosts: 16
    Short answer: No

    Long answer:  No but i still play my older school MMO games and maybe a new MMO once in awhile. I`m Enjoying FFXIV so far.
  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Houston, TXMember EpicPosts: 16,435
    SEANMCAD said:
    Kyleran said:


    lol .. are we talking about entertainment here? I am glad they don't "influence much more of our lives". 
    For those of us who grew up in the 80s and 90s, TV influenced our lives a ton.  Entertainment shapes culture.

    But is that a good thing? Do you talk like a tv character? Or dress like one? Don't get me wrong, i do enjoy a good tv show. But i was not going to start befriending 13 years old girls and hide them in a cabin just because that seems cool on The Stranger Things season 2. 
    While Stranger Things is great and all, can't say I would be adverse to befriending a few hot female prison inmates

    "I'll be back" c'mon who doesn't love quoting famous movie lines

    "Not even in the face of Armageddon"

    B)
    Stranger Things is far over rated. 
    Its not bad...but it doesnt rise to the quality of its fame by a long shot. All my personal friends (yes its true I have them) agree
    Reminds me those guys who were like "I don't understand all my relatives and friends voted for Clinton, how could Trump have won?" ;)
    wat?

    no I was just pointing out that I am not the only person on the planet who thinks its over rated and all my friends thought the same thing independently which is EXTREEMLY statically unlikely to happen in a micro-vacuum.

    regardless. yes the majority of people love it, but the reality is the plot and story line is really not that amazing.

    if you want something more intresting let me know I have a good list :)

    Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.

    Please do not respond to me

  • Flyte27Flyte27 Greenwich, CTMember RarePosts: 4,170
    SEANMCAD said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    Kyleran said:


    lol .. are we talking about entertainment here? I am glad they don't "influence much more of our lives". 
    For those of us who grew up in the 80s and 90s, TV influenced our lives a ton.  Entertainment shapes culture.

    But is that a good thing? Do you talk like a tv character? Or dress like one? Don't get me wrong, i do enjoy a good tv show. But i was not going to start befriending 13 years old girls and hide them in a cabin just because that seems cool on The Stranger Things season 2. 
    While Stranger Things is great and all, can't say I would be adverse to befriending a few hot female prison inmates

    "I'll be back" c'mon who doesn't love quoting famous movie lines

    "Not even in the face of Armageddon"

    B)
    Stranger Things is far over rated. 
    Its not bad...but it doesnt rise to the quality of its fame by a long shot. All my personal friends (yes its true I have them) agree
    Reminds me those guys who were like "I don't understand all my relatives and friends voted for Clinton, how could Trump have won?" ;)
    wat?

    no I was just pointing out that I am not the only person on the planet who thinks its over rated and all my friends thought the same thing independently which is EXTREEMLY statically unlikely to happen in a micro-vacuum.

    regardless. yes the majority of people love it, but the reality is the plot and story line is really not that amazing.

    if you want something more intresting let me know I have a good list :)
    I like Stranger Things a lot myself.  I think it is very reminiscent of the 80s aside from the kids being too well behaved, the kids being too intelligent, and there was no nude scene which was almost always a staple of horror movies from the 80s.  It's also not scary.  None the less it's fun to watch.  It's the 80s modified to fit modern day belief of how life should be (family oriented with a focus on intelligence over fun and stupidity).  Having grown up in the 80s and 90s I prefer the actual 80s movies, but that doesn't take away from it being an entertaining show.  To each their own.
    Kyleran
  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Houston, TXMember EpicPosts: 16,435
    Flyte27 said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    Kyleran said:


    lol .. are we talking about entertainment here? I am glad they don't "influence much more of our lives". 
    For those of us who grew up in the 80s and 90s, TV influenced our lives a ton.  Entertainment shapes culture.

    But is that a good thing? Do you talk like a tv character? Or dress like one? Don't get me wrong, i do enjoy a good tv show. But i was not going to start befriending 13 years old girls and hide them in a cabin just because that seems cool on The Stranger Things season 2. 
    While Stranger Things is great and all, can't say I would be adverse to befriending a few hot female prison inmates

    "I'll be back" c'mon who doesn't love quoting famous movie lines

    "Not even in the face of Armageddon"

    B)
    Stranger Things is far over rated. 
    Its not bad...but it doesnt rise to the quality of its fame by a long shot. All my personal friends (yes its true I have them) agree
    Reminds me those guys who were like "I don't understand all my relatives and friends voted for Clinton, how could Trump have won?" ;)
    wat?

    no I was just pointing out that I am not the only person on the planet who thinks its over rated and all my friends thought the same thing independently which is EXTREEMLY statically unlikely to happen in a micro-vacuum.

    regardless. yes the majority of people love it, but the reality is the plot and story line is really not that amazing.

    if you want something more intresting let me know I have a good list :)
    I like Stranger Things a lot myself.  I think it is very reminiscent of the 80s aside from the kids being too well behaved, the kids being too intelligent, and there was no nude scene which was almost always a staple of horror movies from the 80s.  It's also not scary.  None the less it's fun to watch.  It's the 80s modified to fit modern day belief of how life should be (family oriented with a focus on intelligence over fun and stupidity).  Having grown up in the 80s and 90s I prefer the actual 80s movies, but that doesn't take away from it being an entertaining show.  To each their own.
    what people are falling over themselves about on Stranger Things is the setting. I agree the 80s redue is done extreemly well.

    But the actual story and actual plot is not really much to it.

    Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.

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  • Flyte27Flyte27 Greenwich, CTMember RarePosts: 4,170
    SEANMCAD said:
    Flyte27 said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    Kyleran said:


    lol .. are we talking about entertainment here? I am glad they don't "influence much more of our lives". 
    For those of us who grew up in the 80s and 90s, TV influenced our lives a ton.  Entertainment shapes culture.

    But is that a good thing? Do you talk like a tv character? Or dress like one? Don't get me wrong, i do enjoy a good tv show. But i was not going to start befriending 13 years old girls and hide them in a cabin just because that seems cool on The Stranger Things season 2. 
    While Stranger Things is great and all, can't say I would be adverse to befriending a few hot female prison inmates

    "I'll be back" c'mon who doesn't love quoting famous movie lines

    "Not even in the face of Armageddon"

    B)
    Stranger Things is far over rated. 
    Its not bad...but it doesnt rise to the quality of its fame by a long shot. All my personal friends (yes its true I have them) agree
    Reminds me those guys who were like "I don't understand all my relatives and friends voted for Clinton, how could Trump have won?" ;)
    wat?

    no I was just pointing out that I am not the only person on the planet who thinks its over rated and all my friends thought the same thing independently which is EXTREEMLY statically unlikely to happen in a micro-vacuum.

    regardless. yes the majority of people love it, but the reality is the plot and story line is really not that amazing.

    if you want something more intresting let me know I have a good list :)
    I like Stranger Things a lot myself.  I think it is very reminiscent of the 80s aside from the kids being too well behaved, the kids being too intelligent, and there was no nude scene which was almost always a staple of horror movies from the 80s.  It's also not scary.  None the less it's fun to watch.  It's the 80s modified to fit modern day belief of how life should be (family oriented with a focus on intelligence over fun and stupidity).  Having grown up in the 80s and 90s I prefer the actual 80s movies, but that doesn't take away from it being an entertaining show.  To each their own.
    what people are falling over themselves about on Stranger Things is the setting. I agree the 80s redue is done extreemly well.

    But the actual story and actual plot is not really much to it.

    The main story and plot aren't great, but most horror movies and shows didn't have great plots in the 80s and 90s.  They were more about shock value through either extreme violence, slow buildup of tension, or having some girl randomly show off her body parts.  They also were just to be goofy in general.  Stranger Things kind of reminds me of Creep Show, but less extreme.
  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Houston, TXMember EpicPosts: 16,435
    Flyte27 said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    Flyte27 said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    Kyleran said:


    lol .. are we talking about entertainment here? I am glad they don't "influence much more of our lives". 
    For those of us who grew up in the 80s and 90s, TV influenced our lives a ton.  Entertainment shapes culture.

    But is that a good thing? Do you talk like a tv character? Or dress like one? Don't get me wrong, i do enjoy a good tv show. But i was not going to start befriending 13 years old girls and hide them in a cabin just because that seems cool on The Stranger Things season 2. 
    While Stranger Things is great and all, can't say I would be adverse to befriending a few hot female prison inmates

    "I'll be back" c'mon who doesn't love quoting famous movie lines

    "Not even in the face of Armageddon"

    B)
    Stranger Things is far over rated. 
    Its not bad...but it doesnt rise to the quality of its fame by a long shot. All my personal friends (yes its true I have them) agree
    Reminds me those guys who were like "I don't understand all my relatives and friends voted for Clinton, how could Trump have won?" ;)
    wat?

    no I was just pointing out that I am not the only person on the planet who thinks its over rated and all my friends thought the same thing independently which is EXTREEMLY statically unlikely to happen in a micro-vacuum.

    regardless. yes the majority of people love it, but the reality is the plot and story line is really not that amazing.

    if you want something more intresting let me know I have a good list :)
    I like Stranger Things a lot myself.  I think it is very reminiscent of the 80s aside from the kids being too well behaved, the kids being too intelligent, and there was no nude scene which was almost always a staple of horror movies from the 80s.  It's also not scary.  None the less it's fun to watch.  It's the 80s modified to fit modern day belief of how life should be (family oriented with a focus on intelligence over fun and stupidity).  Having grown up in the 80s and 90s I prefer the actual 80s movies, but that doesn't take away from it being an entertaining show.  To each their own.
    what people are falling over themselves about on Stranger Things is the setting. I agree the 80s redue is done extreemly well.

    But the actual story and actual plot is not really much to it.

    The main story and plot aren't great, but most horror movies and shows didn't have great plots in the 80s and 90s.  They were more about shock value through either extreme violence, slow buildup of tension, or having some girl randomly show off her body parts.  They also were just to be goofy in general.  Stranger Things kind of reminds me of Creep Show, but less extreme.
    its like comfort food vs fine dinning.

    I like comfort food (MST3K for me), I just dont get hyper hype excited about comfort food. I do about fine dinning. So shows like Man in the High Castle I am refreshing Amazon every day to see when next season comes out, but ST I am more like..yeah ok whatever whenever.

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  • Flyte27Flyte27 Greenwich, CTMember RarePosts: 4,170
    edited December 7
    SEANMCAD said:
    Flyte27 said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    Flyte27 said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    Kyleran said:


    lol .. are we talking about entertainment here? I am glad they don't "influence much more of our lives". 
    For those of us who grew up in the 80s and 90s, TV influenced our lives a ton.  Entertainment shapes culture.

    But is that a good thing? Do you talk like a tv character? Or dress like one? Don't get me wrong, i do enjoy a good tv show. But i was not going to start befriending 13 years old girls and hide them in a cabin just because that seems cool on The Stranger Things season 2. 
    While Stranger Things is great and all, can't say I would be adverse to befriending a few hot female prison inmates

    "I'll be back" c'mon who doesn't love quoting famous movie lines

    "Not even in the face of Armageddon"

    B)
    Stranger Things is far over rated. 
    Its not bad...but it doesnt rise to the quality of its fame by a long shot. All my personal friends (yes its true I have them) agree
    Reminds me those guys who were like "I don't understand all my relatives and friends voted for Clinton, how could Trump have won?" ;)
    wat?

    no I was just pointing out that I am not the only person on the planet who thinks its over rated and all my friends thought the same thing independently which is EXTREEMLY statically unlikely to happen in a micro-vacuum.

    regardless. yes the majority of people love it, but the reality is the plot and story line is really not that amazing.

    if you want something more intresting let me know I have a good list :)
    I like Stranger Things a lot myself.  I think it is very reminiscent of the 80s aside from the kids being too well behaved, the kids being too intelligent, and there was no nude scene which was almost always a staple of horror movies from the 80s.  It's also not scary.  None the less it's fun to watch.  It's the 80s modified to fit modern day belief of how life should be (family oriented with a focus on intelligence over fun and stupidity).  Having grown up in the 80s and 90s I prefer the actual 80s movies, but that doesn't take away from it being an entertaining show.  To each their own.
    what people are falling over themselves about on Stranger Things is the setting. I agree the 80s redue is done extreemly well.

    But the actual story and actual plot is not really much to it.

    The main story and plot aren't great, but most horror movies and shows didn't have great plots in the 80s and 90s.  They were more about shock value through either extreme violence, slow buildup of tension, or having some girl randomly show off her body parts.  They also were just to be goofy in general.  Stranger Things kind of reminds me of Creep Show, but less extreme.
    its like comfort food vs fine dinning.

    I like comfort food (MST3K for me), I just dont get hyper hype excited about comfort food. I do about fine dinning. So shows like Man in the High Castle I am refreshing Amazon every day to see when next season comes out, but ST I am more like..yeah ok whatever whenever.
    I must have needed a lot of comfort in my youth because I watched a lot of movies and TV Shows like this lol.

    As much as it's nice to be healthy it was often more fun to do stupid things in my youth or watch other people do stupid things.  T

    That is one thing I miss as an adult.  Life is a lot duller when you are trying to do the right thing at least for me.
    Post edited by Flyte27 on
  • KyleranKyleran Paradise City, FLMember LegendaryPosts: 26,827
    Flyte27 said:ct
    SEANMCAD said:
    Flyte27 said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    Flyte27 said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    Kyleran said:


    lol .. are we talking about entertainment here? I am glad they don't "influence much more of our lives". 
    For those of us who grew up in the 80s and 90s, TV influenced our lives a ton.  Entertainment shapes culture.

    But is that a good thing? Do you talk like a tv character? Or dress like one? Don't get me wrong, i do enjoy a good tv show. But i was not going to start befriending 13 years old girls and hide them in a cabin just because that seems cool on The Stranger Things season 2. 
    While Stranger Things is great and all, can't say I would be adverse to befriending a few hot female prison inmates

    "I'll be back" c'mon who doesn't love quoting famous movie lines

    "Not even in the face of Armageddon"

    B)
    Stranger Things is far over rated. 
    Its not bad...but it doesnt rise to the quality of its fame by a long shot. All my personal friends (yes its true I have them) agree
    Reminds me those guys who were like "I don't understand all my relatives and friends voted for Clinton, how could Trump have won?" ;)
    wat?

    no I was just pointing out that I am not the only person on the planet who thinks its over rated and all my friends thought the same thing independently which is EXTREEMLY statically unlikely to happen in a micro-vacuum.

    regardless. yes the majority of people love it, but the reality is the plot and story line is really not that amazing.

    if you want something more intresting let me know I have a good list :)
    I like Stranger Things a lot myself.  I think it is very reminiscent of the 80s aside from the kids being too well behaved, the kids being too intelligent, and there was no nude scene which was almost always a staple of horror movies from the 80s.  It's also not scary.  None the less it's fun to watch.  It's the 80s modified to fit modern day belief of how life should be (family oriented with a focus on intelligence over fun and stupidity).  Having grown up in the 80s and 90s I prefer the actual 80s movies, but that doesn't take away from it being an entertaining show.  To each their own.
    what people are falling over themselves about on Stranger Things is the setting. I agree the 80s redue is done extreemly well.

    But the actual story and actual plot is not really much to it.

    The main story and plot aren't great, but most horror movies and shows didn't have great plots in the 80s and 90s.  They were more about shock value through either extreme violence, slow buildup of tension, or having some girl randomly show off her body parts.  They also were just to be goofy in general.  Stranger Things kind of reminds me of Creep Show, but less extreme.
    its like comfort food vs fine dinning.

    I like comfort food (MST3K for me), I just dont get hyper hype excited about comfort food. I do about fine dinning. So shows like Man in the High Castle I am refreshing Amazon every day to see when next season comes out, but ST I am more like..yeah ok whatever whenever.
    I must have needed a lot of comfort in my youth because I watched a lot of movies and TV Shows like this lol.

    As much as it's nice to be healthy it was often more fun to do stupid things in my youth or watch other people do stupid things.  T

    That is one thing I miss as an adult.  Life is a lot duller when you are trying to do the right thing at least for me.
    The good news is when you get as old as I am you can get away with doing stupid things again. 

    (Yes, I know, explains a lot)

    B)

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  • Flyte27Flyte27 Greenwich, CTMember RarePosts: 4,170
    Kyleran said:
    Flyte27 said:ct
    SEANMCAD said:
    Flyte27 said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    Flyte27 said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    Kyleran said:


    lol .. are we talking about entertainment here? I am glad they don't "influence much more of our lives". 
    For those of us who grew up in the 80s and 90s, TV influenced our lives a ton.  Entertainment shapes culture.

    But is that a good thing? Do you talk like a tv character? Or dress like one? Don't get me wrong, i do enjoy a good tv show. But i was not going to start befriending 13 years old girls and hide them in a cabin just because that seems cool on The Stranger Things season 2. 
    While Stranger Things is great and all, can't say I would be adverse to befriending a few hot female prison inmates

    "I'll be back" c'mon who doesn't love quoting famous movie lines

    "Not even in the face of Armageddon"

    B)
    Stranger Things is far over rated. 
    Its not bad...but it doesnt rise to the quality of its fame by a long shot. All my personal friends (yes its true I have them) agree
    Reminds me those guys who were like "I don't understand all my relatives and friends voted for Clinton, how could Trump have won?" ;)
    wat?

    no I was just pointing out that I am not the only person on the planet who thinks its over rated and all my friends thought the same thing independently which is EXTREEMLY statically unlikely to happen in a micro-vacuum.

    regardless. yes the majority of people love it, but the reality is the plot and story line is really not that amazing.

    if you want something more intresting let me know I have a good list :)
    I like Stranger Things a lot myself.  I think it is very reminiscent of the 80s aside from the kids being too well behaved, the kids being too intelligent, and there was no nude scene which was almost always a staple of horror movies from the 80s.  It's also not scary.  None the less it's fun to watch.  It's the 80s modified to fit modern day belief of how life should be (family oriented with a focus on intelligence over fun and stupidity).  Having grown up in the 80s and 90s I prefer the actual 80s movies, but that doesn't take away from it being an entertaining show.  To each their own.
    what people are falling over themselves about on Stranger Things is the setting. I agree the 80s redue is done extreemly well.

    But the actual story and actual plot is not really much to it.

    The main story and plot aren't great, but most horror movies and shows didn't have great plots in the 80s and 90s.  They were more about shock value through either extreme violence, slow buildup of tension, or having some girl randomly show off her body parts.  They also were just to be goofy in general.  Stranger Things kind of reminds me of Creep Show, but less extreme.
    its like comfort food vs fine dinning.

    I like comfort food (MST3K for me), I just dont get hyper hype excited about comfort food. I do about fine dinning. So shows like Man in the High Castle I am refreshing Amazon every day to see when next season comes out, but ST I am more like..yeah ok whatever whenever.
    I must have needed a lot of comfort in my youth because I watched a lot of movies and TV Shows like this lol.

    As much as it's nice to be healthy it was often more fun to do stupid things in my youth or watch other people do stupid things.  T

    That is one thing I miss as an adult.  Life is a lot duller when you are trying to do the right thing at least for me.
    The good news is when you get as old as I am you can get away with doing stupid things again. 

    (Yes, I know, explains a lot)

    B)
    Haha,

    I don't know what ethnicity you are, but I'd be careful.  I see a lot of old and feeble white guys going down in the news for doing stupid things. 

    That's why watching other people do stupid things is more fun.  You don't get in trouble.  Even better if it's not real then no one gets hurt.

    Still, it was fun to roam around the neighborhood going through peoples yards and letting my imagination run wild.  Sometimes ignorance is bliss.  You can have some extreme emotional highs and lows for the dumbest of things.  My friends and I rode around on bikes like the kids in Stranger things, but we had cooler looking BMX bikes.  The ones the kids have in Stranger things movie would have gotten you made fun of.
    Kyleran
  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Houston, TXMember EpicPosts: 16,435
    Flyte27 said:

    Haha,

    I don't know what ethnicity you are, but I'd be careful.  I see a lot of old and feeble white guys going down in the news for doing stupid things. 

    That's why watching other people do stupid things is more fun.  You don't get in trouble.  Even better if it's not real then no one gets hurt.

    Still, it was fun to roam around the neighborhood going through peoples yards and letting my imagination run wild.  Sometimes ignorance is bliss.  You can have some extreme emotional highs and lows for the dumbest of things.  My friends and I rode around on bikes like the kids in Stranger things, but we had cooler looking BMX bikes.  The ones the kids have in Stranger things movie would have gotten you made fun of.
    your love for the show (as well as most people) is not because of the plot or story but rather because of nostalgia for what feels now like a better time.

    I get that, its mood setting, for me that time is MST3K. I love to watch that when I have nostalgia and want to sit warm by the fire.

    Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.

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  • Flyte27Flyte27 Greenwich, CTMember RarePosts: 4,170
    SEANMCAD said:
    Flyte27 said:

    Haha,

    I don't know what ethnicity you are, but I'd be careful.  I see a lot of old and feeble white guys going down in the news for doing stupid things. 

    That's why watching other people do stupid things is more fun.  You don't get in trouble.  Even better if it's not real then no one gets hurt.

    Still, it was fun to roam around the neighborhood going through peoples yards and letting my imagination run wild.  Sometimes ignorance is bliss.  You can have some extreme emotional highs and lows for the dumbest of things.  My friends and I rode around on bikes like the kids in Stranger things, but we had cooler looking BMX bikes.  The ones the kids have in Stranger things movie would have gotten you made fun of.
    your love for the show (as well as most people) is not because of the plot or story but rather because of nostalgia for what feels now like a better time.

    I get that, its mood setting, for me that time is MST3K. I love to watch that when I have nostalgia and want to sit warm by the fire.
    That is part of it.  I don't know if I would call it better.  There were lots of negatives and lots of positives.  These types of movies were positive as escapism for me.  Going out on bikes with friends and feeling free was fun as well.  There was more bullying by far though and I didn't have access to the internet to look up whether or not something was correct or not.  

    I could draw a comparison with a game like Everquest.  I enjoyed my time there a lot, but it had a lot of extremely positive and negative moments.  It was almost like torture at times grinding away, but others it was elation when getting to certain points and getting certain things. 

    You are correct though.  It has something to do with nostalgia and feeling comfortable with myself in terms of fitting in with the cultural climate of the time.  I don't really relate to people in the modern age.
  • Jean-Luc_PicardJean-Luc_Picard La BarreMember EpicPosts: 6,649
    SEANMCAD said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    Kyleran said:


    lol .. are we talking about entertainment here? I am glad they don't "influence much more of our lives". 
    For those of us who grew up in the 80s and 90s, TV influenced our lives a ton.  Entertainment shapes culture.

    But is that a good thing? Do you talk like a tv character? Or dress like one? Don't get me wrong, i do enjoy a good tv show. But i was not going to start befriending 13 years old girls and hide them in a cabin just because that seems cool on The Stranger Things season 2. 
    While Stranger Things is great and all, can't say I would be adverse to befriending a few hot female prison inmates

    "I'll be back" c'mon who doesn't love quoting famous movie lines

    "Not even in the face of Armageddon"

    B)
    Stranger Things is far over rated. 
    Its not bad...but it doesnt rise to the quality of its fame by a long shot. All my personal friends (yes its true I have them) agree
    Reminds me those guys who were like "I don't understand all my relatives and friends voted for Clinton, how could Trump have won?" ;)
    wat?

    no I was just pointing out that I am not the only person on the planet who thinks its over rated and all my friends thought the same thing independently which is EXTREEMLY statically unlikely to happen in a micro-vacuum.

    regardless. yes the majority of people love it, but the reality is the plot and story line is really not that amazing.

    if you want something more intresting let me know I have a good list :)
    I don't watch it myself, tried a couple of episodes and got bored.
    I was just pointing out that the fact your relatives don't like (or like) something rarely makes it a generality.

    I personally prefer series like Game of Thrones, Frontier, The Last Kingdom, Outlander, Westworld, Star Trek Discovery, etc...
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  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Houston, TXMember EpicPosts: 16,435
    SEANMCAD said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    Kyleran said:


    lol .. are we talking about entertainment here? I am glad they don't "influence much more of our lives". 
    For those of us who grew up in the 80s and 90s, TV influenced our lives a ton.  Entertainment shapes culture.

    But is that a good thing? Do you talk like a tv character? Or dress like one? Don't get me wrong, i do enjoy a good tv show. But i was not going to start befriending 13 years old girls and hide them in a cabin just because that seems cool on The Stranger Things season 2. 
    While Stranger Things is great and all, can't say I would be adverse to befriending a few hot female prison inmates

    "I'll be back" c'mon who doesn't love quoting famous movie lines

    "Not even in the face of Armageddon"

    B)
    Stranger Things is far over rated. 
    Its not bad...but it doesnt rise to the quality of its fame by a long shot. All my personal friends (yes its true I have them) agree
    Reminds me those guys who were like "I don't understand all my relatives and friends voted for Clinton, how could Trump have won?" ;)
    wat?

    no I was just pointing out that I am not the only person on the planet who thinks its over rated and all my friends thought the same thing independently which is EXTREEMLY statically unlikely to happen in a micro-vacuum.

    regardless. yes the majority of people love it, but the reality is the plot and story line is really not that amazing.

    if you want something more intresting let me know I have a good list :)
    I don't watch it myself, tried a couple of episodes and got bored.
    I was just pointing out that the fact your relatives don't like (or like) something rarely makes it a generality.

    I personally prefer series like Game of Thrones, Frontier, The Last Kingdom, Outlander, Westworld, Star Trek Discovery, etc...
    consider statistics for a moment

    what are the chances of lets say about 10 people indpenedently seeing the same thing and having the same conclusion? 

    does stastics suggest in that case that those are the only 10 people in the world that feel that way? or that maybe they represent not the majority but a larger amount of people then just 1.

    I was not trying to illustrate that I think most people dont like the show, that is fucking absurd given the fact I was stating its overrated (over rated means many people like it).

    I was illustrating that I was not a subset of 1.

    got it? really this hard to grasp? please work with me here on this

    Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.

    Please do not respond to me

  • Octagon7711Octagon7711 Chicago, ILMember EpicPosts: 6,190
    I like where games are going.  Mobile MMO's are slowly getting better.  I'd like to see more games with app and A.I. integration for voice commands like Voice Attack for use with Alexa or other home based AI.  I'd like to see more VR and AR integration in MMO's.

    "Change is the only constant."


  • Jean-Luc_PicardJean-Luc_Picard La BarreMember EpicPosts: 6,649
    I like where games are going.  Mobile MMO's are slowly getting better.  I'd like to see more games with app and A.I. integration for voice commands like Voice Attack for use with Alexa or other home based AI.  I'd like to see more VR and AR integration in MMO's.
    Since Bethesda will release a full VR version of Skyrim, I really hope they will consider doing the same with ESO.
    In the meantime, I can play ESO in VR using a third party driver, but it's not perfect.
    Octagon7711
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  • cameltosiscameltosis ipswichMember EpicPosts: 1,741
    SEANMCAD said:
    Flyte27 said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    Kyleran said:


    lol .. are we talking about entertainment here? I am glad they don't "influence much more of our lives". 
    For those of us who grew up in the 80s and 90s, TV influenced our lives a ton.  Entertainment shapes culture.

    But is that a good thing? Do you talk like a tv character? Or dress like one? Don't get me wrong, i do enjoy a good tv show. But i was not going to start befriending 13 years old girls and hide them in a cabin just because that seems cool on The Stranger Things season 2. 
    While Stranger Things is great and all, can't say I would be adverse to befriending a few hot female prison inmates

    "I'll be back" c'mon who doesn't love quoting famous movie lines

    "Not even in the face of Armageddon"

    B)
    Stranger Things is far over rated. 
    Its not bad...but it doesnt rise to the quality of its fame by a long shot. All my personal friends (yes its true I have them) agree
    Reminds me those guys who were like "I don't understand all my relatives and friends voted for Clinton, how could Trump have won?" ;)
    wat?

    no I was just pointing out that I am not the only person on the planet who thinks its over rated and all my friends thought the same thing independently which is EXTREEMLY statically unlikely to happen in a micro-vacuum.

    regardless. yes the majority of people love it, but the reality is the plot and story line is really not that amazing.

    if you want something more intresting let me know I have a good list :)
    I like Stranger Things a lot myself.  I think it is very reminiscent of the 80s aside from the kids being too well behaved, the kids being too intelligent, and there was no nude scene which was almost always a staple of horror movies from the 80s.  It's also not scary.  None the less it's fun to watch.  It's the 80s modified to fit modern day belief of how life should be (family oriented with a focus on intelligence over fun and stupidity).  Having grown up in the 80s and 90s I prefer the actual 80s movies, but that doesn't take away from it being an entertaining show.  To each their own.
    what people are falling over themselves about on Stranger Things is the setting. I agree the 80s redue is done extreemly well.

    But the actual story and actual plot is not really much to it.

    I actually agree with you about something!

    I too thought Stranger Things was overrated, still a good watch but nothing particularly special. But then, I don't really like the 80s, so the nostalgia didn't touch me. 


    Man in the High Castle was definitely superior, but like a lot of big budget productions it suffered from really slow pacing. I found that when I tried to watch it one episode at a time, I was constantly waiting for things to actually happen, but when I binge watched it I enjoyed it a hell of a lot more. 
    Octagon7711
  • EldurianEldurian Member EpicPosts: 1,867
    edited December 7
    Eldurian said:

    Absolutely. The themepark model is probably the most cloned model in history.

    I've already cited 3 examples of MMOs that do not qualify as WoW clones by my definition. EVE, Runescape, Wurm. There are other titles that could fit in there. Darkfall, Mortal Online, etc. I'm not going to give game devs a pass and say "These are not clones" just because 99% of MMO developers choose to make clones though.

    But the ammount of features shared in common by themeparks is narrow enough to consider them all clones IMO. Age of Empires and Total War exist in the same genre (Real time strategy.) Empire Earth is an Age of Empires clone because it follows the same general model. Total War is not, it just shares a few key elements.

    Themeparks aren't a real genre. It's just a label thrown over the same general game model cloned so many times people started calling it a genre.
    GW2 or ESO are about as much WoW clones than WoW is an AC1 clone... I mean, AC1 had quests, WoW has quests, they can only be clones right? ;)
    The thing is there are more elements these games share in common than there are that set them apart.

    I'm describing a game.

    1. In this game you start by picking your race and class. (Just eliminated EVE, Runescape, Wurm, Darkfall etc. as they are all classless systems where your role is defined by what you do, not something chosen on character creation.)
    2. You then are thrust into a storyline that takes you through a series of zones where you can find quests to level. The storyline may or may not be something you can abandon if desires but the primary content of the game will still be leveling through quests. (Again EVE, Runescape, Wurm Darkfall etc. don't fit this mold.)
    3. Once you are done leveling to max you take part in "endgame content". Primarily group dungeons, raids, and structured PvP content. The primary purpose of which is to get your "endgame gear." (Again, not describing EVE, Wurm or Darkfall with this as they are very unstructured sandboxes with no definite endgame objectives. Runescape maybe a bit.)

    But I could be describing WoW here. I could be describing ESO. I could be desrcibing SWTOR or Archeage. I'm not as familiar with GW2 but I know for at least the first part of the game it fits this model.

    With such massive and important similarities things like the fact ESO uses a different aiming system or allows more customization within a class really pale in comparison that for all essential purposes, it's really the same damn game as World of Warcraft.

    EVE essentially has quests in the form of missions. Darkfall has quests that are straight up called quests. Runescape has quests. "Quests or no quests" isn't the meaningful distinction here. It's that when I play those titles I don't feel like I've played the exact same title hundreds of times before (With the exception of Mortal Online being a straight up Darkfall clone.)

    Going back to my RTS example. "I'm describing a game. You start with a small number of units that gather resources and build structures, and structure that produces these units..."

    I could be describing Age of Empires, Empire Earth, Starcraft, Halo Wars etc. But you already know I'm not describing a Total War game.

    That's the difference between clones like ESO and GW2, and actual, original titles.

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  • Flyte27Flyte27 Greenwich, CTMember RarePosts: 4,170
    SEANMCAD said:
    Flyte27 said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    Kyleran said:


    lol .. are we talking about entertainment here? I am glad they don't "influence much more of our lives". 
    For those of us who grew up in the 80s and 90s, TV influenced our lives a ton.  Entertainment shapes culture.

    But is that a good thing? Do you talk like a tv character? Or dress like one? Don't get me wrong, i do enjoy a good tv show. But i was not going to start befriending 13 years old girls and hide them in a cabin just because that seems cool on The Stranger Things season 2. 
    While Stranger Things is great and all, can't say I would be adverse to befriending a few hot female prison inmates

    "I'll be back" c'mon who doesn't love quoting famous movie lines

    "Not even in the face of Armageddon"

    B)
    Stranger Things is far over rated. 
    Its not bad...but it doesnt rise to the quality of its fame by a long shot. All my personal friends (yes its true I have them) agree
    Reminds me those guys who were like "I don't understand all my relatives and friends voted for Clinton, how could Trump have won?" ;)
    wat?

    no I was just pointing out that I am not the only person on the planet who thinks its over rated and all my friends thought the same thing independently which is EXTREEMLY statically unlikely to happen in a micro-vacuum.

    regardless. yes the majority of people love it, but the reality is the plot and story line is really not that amazing.

    if you want something more intresting let me know I have a good list :)
    I like Stranger Things a lot myself.  I think it is very reminiscent of the 80s aside from the kids being too well behaved, the kids being too intelligent, and there was no nude scene which was almost always a staple of horror movies from the 80s.  It's also not scary.  None the less it's fun to watch.  It's the 80s modified to fit modern day belief of how life should be (family oriented with a focus on intelligence over fun and stupidity).  Having grown up in the 80s and 90s I prefer the actual 80s movies, but that doesn't take away from it being an entertaining show.  To each their own.
    what people are falling over themselves about on Stranger Things is the setting. I agree the 80s redue is done extreemly well.

    But the actual story and actual plot is not really much to it.

    I actually agree with you about something!

    I too thought Stranger Things was overrated, still a good watch but nothing particularly special. But then, I don't really like the 80s, so the nostalgia didn't touch me. 


    Man in the High Castle was definitely superior, but like a lot of big budget productions it suffered from really slow pacing. I found that when I tried to watch it one episode at a time, I was constantly waiting for things to actually happen, but when I binge watched it I enjoyed it a hell of a lot more. 
    Just reading the description of Man in High Castle makes me feel like I don't want to watch it.  It sounds too serious for escapism.  If I am going to watch something serious it might as well be a documentary about something of that nature.  At least the story and information are usually real. 

  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Nashville, TNMember EpicPosts: 2,974
    The only difference in Total War that disqualifies it under your description is that units are recruited directly through the general/commander as opposed to through a building.  Still requires buildings to recruit units, including advanced units.

    That doesn't seem like a huge difference to me.  The way battles play out seems to be a much larger difference between Total War and other RTSs.

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