MMORPG.com : General : Hawaii's Chris Lee - 'Together We Can Stop Predatory Gaming Practices'

124»

Comments

  • lucyfluffylucyfluffy Member UncommonPosts: 13
    I hope government can make a law to stop RNG loot box and p2w model game.
  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Houston, TXMember EpicPosts: 16,435
    some guy in a suit said something so it must be true
    YashaX

    Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.

    Please do not respond to me

  • Nightbringe1Nightbringe1 Bluefield, WVMember UncommonPosts: 1,268
    I hope government can make a law to stop RNG loot box and p2w model game.


    I doubt government will do anything about P2W.

    Gambling (i.e. loot boxes) can and should be regulated. Specific in-game advantages sold for a specific price, however, are not a form of gambling and are unlikely to be regulated.

    YashaXMrMelGibson

    Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do.
    Benjamin Franklin

  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Houston, TXMember EpicPosts: 16,435
    I hope government can make a law to stop RNG loot box and p2w model game.


    I doubt government will do anything about P2W.

    Gambling (i.e. loot boxes) can and should be regulated. Specific in-game advantages sold for a specific price, however, are not a form of gambling and are unlikely to be regulated.

    here is the problem.

    D&D table top most important tool is dice. your hit points are RNG, your success to hit is RNG, what is in the loot is RNG.
    RNG is all over the place all games. 
    So....there you are in front of a judge, whip out your dictionary and explain to him what is gambling and what is basic RNG for the game

    go..

    Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.

    Please do not respond to me

  • AlbatroesAlbatroes Member EpicPosts: 3,675
  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Houston, TXMember EpicPosts: 16,435
    Albatroes said:
    I like the quote:
    'A key factor in deciding if that line has been crossed is whether in-game items acquired ‘via a game of chance’ can be considered money or money’s worth'

    -----------------------
     The subject is in the long run much larger than gambling because what it is doing from a legal standpoint is asking two question.

    1. 'does digital virtual items and XP have monetary value'?
    2. Is gambling (regardless of value output) in of itself manipulative or is it techniques around it the manipulation.

    very good discussion but for the most part at least here the conversation has been kept at a remedial level of understanding



    Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.

    Please do not respond to me

  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 15,001
    xxtriadxx said:


    Go away "progressives" We do not need gaming regulated by the State.
    Surprised you are even on the internet.  After all, the computer was invented by a gay progressive Atheist.
    On the other hand he committed suicide after being forced into a modification and hormone treatment program by the government.

    There are predatory design practices in the gaming industry in my opinion, but the cause of that is deeper than loot crates and we're not having an honest discussion about that. So until that happens I don't want or trust government regulation as anything but a tool their using to promote a little revenue bump (Belgium) or their own ends (Hawaii). When we start having honest discussions about the root causes then I will welcome regulation when it's appropriate.

    The problem I have with regulation is that great policies can be enacted under one administration and then can be perverted and corrupted by the next. After watching decades of progress unraveled in the last 10 months I don't trust our current government to do this right, to actually get to the heart of the issue.
    MrMelGibson
    The artist or album content may be offensive or controversial.
    Avatar Artist: Howard Blake, Peter Auty (vocalist)
    Album: The Snowman
    Featured Tracks: Walking in the Air
  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 15,001
    BruceYee said:
    Distopia said:
    SBFord said:
    I guess the way I look at is that political involvement is good if it brings attention to the issue and grabs parents by the nose and forces them to look at their kids' spending habits. The so-called iGen is most vulnerable to this stuff since they've grown up thinking microtransactions are the "norm" and think it's "cool" to purchase loot boxes without thinking of long term repercussions.

    I'm as skeptical as the next person about politicians. But in this case? I think it's a good thing.
    How many kids are actually doing this though? I keep seeing people bring in the kids angle, yet no one I've seen has shown any actual numbers on this. How many kids take their parents CC without permission due to an addiction, how many parents feed such addictions willingly? Without that it seems more of a "compassion tactic" to amplify a certain agenda. 

    What all of this seems to me is people jumping on board a campaign against something they don't like by using a widely held phobia (gambling)... to heighten their argument regardless of any factual data on how much of a problem this "gambling" issue is. Without such info I want the government as far away as possible. 




    People don't usually advertise their addictions and problems..

    When was the last time anyone admitted to you that they are a sex addict or had an eating disorder?

    What if gambling it games triggers an addiction and they don't even realize they have a problem because it's "just cosmetic" or "just a game"? I'm sure some of the users on this site are addicted to the gambling aspect in games and that's why they are defending it so hard. Ever try taking ____ away from an addict? They'll say anything and everything to prevent ____ from being taken away.

    I don't know if this Hawaii guy is being sincere with his crusade or if it's political but taking the gambling part out of games doesn't hurt the consumer at all so what's the problem?

    There are a lot of "what if" and hyperbolic scary scenarios that would be horrible if true. What if gambling triggers a subconscious social event that ties us all to the Hivemind and we're controlled by a borg-like super creature! And all because we wouldn't ban loot crates. The answer was so simple all along.

    The problem is there is no evidence any of these fear-mongering stories and invented scenarios are true. We've become a society that kneejerks policies over what might happen based on a random scary scenarios and the odd historical event plucked from the norm to prove the case.
    DistopiaMrMelGibson
    The artist or album content may be offensive or controversial.
    Avatar Artist: Howard Blake, Peter Auty (vocalist)
    Album: The Snowman
    Featured Tracks: Walking in the Air
  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 15,001
    SEANMCAD said:
    This has been a big problem for some time, it was only a matter of time before some company tried to turn a AAA game into a full on casino. Lootboxes need to die, get this shit out of our games.
    I wish people would start to notice that for the most part indies do it for the love of the game, so called AAA firms do it to fuck you.


    I have known this for years
    You've actually made some great points in this thread and then you throw it all away with a statement like that. Do you actually believe that individual moral character and motivation is defined by their employer or company? I don't.

    People are people. They make up workers who are employed by indies, corporates, sole proprietorships, LLCs, and government agencies. Some indies are worse than many AAA studios, some aren't, just like the people employed by them.
    MrMelGibson
    The artist or album content may be offensive or controversial.
    Avatar Artist: Howard Blake, Peter Auty (vocalist)
    Album: The Snowman
    Featured Tracks: Walking in the Air
  • GeezerGamerGeezerGamer ChairMember EpicPosts: 7,955
    Torval said:
    Gorwe said:

    Sovrath said:


    Gorwe said:

    I don't mind allies, but...



    ...even so, together we can't even as much as tickle corps. Because unwashed masses are still going to purchase crap and we'll be left as a drop in an ocean.



    Sucks, but it's there!


    hmmm, but one person's "awesome people" is the next person's "unwashed masses".

    Someone is always going to point a finger and say someone else is "less than". I can't get on board with "they buy loot box games therefore they are unwashed masses.". Because "they buy video games and are unwashed masses" is just as valid.



    Hm. A most interesting twist. You are quite right. They are still unwashed masses. Come on! You know they are.

    Why can't they be "the occasionally bathed masses"?
    I think the direction you took this discussion really stinks.
    TorvalMrMelGibson
  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Houston, TXMember EpicPosts: 16,435
    Torval said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    This has been a big problem for some time, it was only a matter of time before some company tried to turn a AAA game into a full on casino. Lootboxes need to die, get this shit out of our games.
    I wish people would start to notice that for the most part indies do it for the love of the game, so called AAA firms do it to fuck you.


    I have known this for years
    You've actually made some great points in this thread and then you throw it all away with a statement like that. Do you actually believe that individual moral character and motivation is defined by their employer or company? I don't.

    People are people. They make up workers who are employed by indies, corporates, sole proprietorships, LLCs, and government agencies. Some indies are worse than many AAA studios, some aren't, just like the people employed by them.
    yeah...right...everything I said is basically not true because someone is sensitive about my opinion on AAA games?

    really? 
    I have to tell you what I see from my side of the universe as someone who plays games that dont have loot boxes, dont have microtransactions, dont have season passes, dont have massive advertising hyper hype, dont have IP titles like Star Wars, dont have pay to win, and dont have high prices for games, dont have games with extreemly limited content

    literally EVERYTHING that involves exploitation of consumer from lootboxes to low amounts of content comes directly from AAA farm.

    Now..granted that is indeed a different conversation but for the love of fuck sake people! dont you see it? its blindingly obvious.

    Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.

    Please do not respond to me

  • lucyfluffylucyfluffy Member UncommonPosts: 13
    more pay then pay then tomorrow pay again and again until your real life loss. More people loss  school tuition pay because of addicting games.
    BruceYeeScotTiller
  • BruceYeeBruceYee Member RarePosts: 1,083
    more pay then pay then tomorrow pay again and again until your real life loss. More people loss  school tuition pay because of addicting games.
    That is the best youtube video ever created.
    YashaX
  • blamo2000blamo2000 Member UncommonPosts: 167
    SEANMCAD said:
    This has been a big problem for some time, it was only a matter of time before some company tried to turn a AAA game into a full on casino. Lootboxes need to die, get this shit out of our games.
    I wish people would start to notice that for the most part indies do it for the love of the game, so called AAA firms do it to fuck you.


    I have known this for years


    I wish people had good enough taste in games to realize indies make the good ones and the AAA ones can barely be called games.  

    But this is true of any medium.  Tyranny of the masses ensures little kids with poor taste control how popular anything is.  That is why the most popular music is horrible (thanks little girls!).  I have poor taste in movies and love the super hero blockbusters, but at least I am honest enough with myself to know I have poor taste in movies.  Little kids with no life experience, no taste at all, no grasp of mechanics or systems beyond the superficial, etc, decide what games are super hits.  

    This, to me, is a great flaw in capitalism and free economies.   You don't see this crap going on in N. Korea or the in other communist countries. In those countries, current or prior, adults with poor taste decide what music and movies are or were popular and there are no video games to sully the minds of the young.
    MrMelGibsonGdemami
  • ScotScot UKMember RarePosts: 6,629
    edited November 29
    BruceYee said:
    more pay then pay then tomorrow pay again and again until your real life loss. More people loss  school tuition pay because of addicting games.
    That is the best youtube video ever created.

    What I love about this: Cash Shops became prevalent first in the orient, so you could get the idea everyone there loves them right? NO! :D
    Post edited by Scot on

     25 Agrees

    You received 25 Agrees. You're posting some good content. Great!

    - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

    Now Doesn't That Make You Feel All Warm And Fuzzy? :P

Sign In or Register to comment.