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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Boca Raton, FLMember EpicPosts: 7,522
    I think if EA had kept it at just cosmetic items on the Micro transaction side it would not be an issue .. but they made it PTW. I think selling anything in game that could give an edge for real money is 100% wrong. I really wanted to play Star Wars Battlefront 2 but not with the idea that someone can buy more damage in a game.
    What is next, pay 10,000 USD and get GOD MODE enabled?
    We already have games (Elyria) where you can spend $10,000 to be the King and have thousands of players subordinate to you...

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  • knightauditknightaudit Victoria, BCMember UncommonPosts: 345




    I think if EA had kept it at just cosmetic items on the Micro transaction side it would not be an issue .. but they made it PTW. I think selling anything in game that could give an edge for real money is 100% wrong. I really wanted to play Star Wars Battlefront 2 but not with the idea that someone can buy more damage in a game.

    What is next, pay 10,000 USD and get GOD MODE enabled?


    We already have games (Elyria) where you can spend $10,000 to be the King and have thousands of players subordinate to you...



    So yes they have gone there .... SIGH
  • donpadrexdonpadrex Member CommonPosts: 3
    I'm not asking for my gouverment to regulate my spending habits in games, but I'm in for it if they regulate the gaming companys predatory marketing schemes.

    Over the last few years my hobby went like this: Sees new game, installs it, checks the market, sees lootboxes, checks content of lootboxes, sees items which give more power or materials for upgrading, uninstall game.

    If companys think they can sell power or materials via their lootboxes then most people will show them the middlefinger and leave there are still games which offer a fair playing field. Problem is as time progresses and no limits are set in place gaming will become money>???>skill.

    Imagine you buy a full price title in a few years, you play for a few hours and hit a paywall. Game Over screen turns on and a Loot Box pops up offering you an weapon/armor/etc. for your RL money. Either that or go farm said stuff for 30-40 hours. Then you think "I'm gonna refund that turd!!!" only to remember that you are lvl 10 and have allready played it for 5 hours so you are stuck with an 70$ demo.

    So again I want regulations for companys so people can still enjoy an full price title in the future without any monetization bullsXXt.
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  • 03cobradude03cobradude Member UncommonPosts: 34
    I don't trust any politician, they're all just smoke and mirrors for the most part. EA just pushed it to far on a mainstream title, that a lot of kids would be playing further making it a terrible idea to put progression with micro-transactions. I think they learned there lesson, at least we can hope.
  • SovrathSovrath Boston Area, MAMember LegendaryPosts: 23,190
    Iselin said:
    Whatever his motives (and he claims to be a gamer himself) this will bring more exposure and wider discussion about something that gaming industry execs don't want exposed nor discussed widely... net positive.
    Exactly. I'm not one for government regulation for such stuff but if one is concerned then this isn't going to be a detriment.
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  • GeezerGamerGeezerGamer ChairMember EpicPosts: 7,955
    SEANMCAD said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    We have two choices.

    Let the government regulate micro-transactions
    Let the gaming industry regulate micro-transactions

    The government wants to exploit for taxation and control.
    The gaming industry wants to exploit for pure profit.

    which is better?

    PFFT!
    there is a 3rd choice.

    Not buy games that are not enjoyable
    In one sense, yes, but that's just opting out of the picture, it doesn't change anything for everyone else unless everyone does it. But that's not going to happen.
    then it turns into dictating to others to make the same choices as you.


    personally I think 'gambling for a possible digital advantage over others instead of for decorative items' is flying to close to the sun.


    Who's going to do that?
    Thus my previous point.
    The Govt. or the industry?
  • XingbairongXingbairong SofiaMember UncommonPosts: 370
    The last thing gaming needs is to start getting treated the same way the government treats drugs...
    Just make it impossible for underaged kids to spend their parents money and be done with it.
    If a 25 year old can't restrain himself from spending all his money to get some crappy skin that he doesn't really need it's his issue. Better to spend it on loot boxes then on drugs or actual gambling, because someone who does that will probably veer towards one of those 2 options anyway since they are predisposed.

  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Houston, TXMember EpicPosts: 16,435
    edited November 27
    SEANMCAD said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    We have two choices.

    Let the government regulate micro-transactions
    Let the gaming industry regulate micro-transactions

    The government wants to exploit for taxation and control.
    The gaming industry wants to exploit for pure profit.

    which is better?

    PFFT!
    there is a 3rd choice.

    Not buy games that are not enjoyable
    In one sense, yes, but that's just opting out of the picture, it doesn't change anything for everyone else unless everyone does it. But that's not going to happen.
    then it turns into dictating to others to make the same choices as you.


    personally I think 'gambling for a possible digital advantage over others instead of for decorative items' is flying to close to the sun.


    Who's going to do that?
    Thus my previous point.
    The Govt. or the industry?
    neither.

    dont buy the games.


    again, if you start asking for Govt or the Industry to regulate what OTHER people buy you are walking on a thin line.

    you cant regulate developers into creating good games, you need to buy games that dont suck balls
    Post edited by SEANMCAD on

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  • GeezerGamerGeezerGamer ChairMember EpicPosts: 7,955
    SEANMCAD said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    We have two choices.

    Let the government regulate micro-transactions
    Let the gaming industry regulate micro-transactions

    The government wants to exploit for taxation and control.
    The gaming industry wants to exploit for pure profit.

    which is better?

    PFFT!
    there is a 3rd choice.

    Not buy games that are not enjoyable
    In one sense, yes, but that's just opting out of the picture, it doesn't change anything for everyone else unless everyone does it. But that's not going to happen.
    then it turns into dictating to others to make the same choices as you.


    personally I think 'gambling for a possible digital advantage over others instead of for decorative items' is flying to close to the sun.


    Who's going to do that?
    Thus my previous point.
    The Govt. or the industry?
    neither.

    dont buy the games.


    again, if you start asking for Govt or the Industry to regulate what OTHER people buy you are walking on a thin line.

    you cant regulate developers into creating good games, you need to buy games that dont suck balls
    You are serious?

    You think that's just going to happen?

    "No the Govt. doesn't need to regulate this. The industry will be kept in line because everyone will just boycott BFII."

    That's your answer?
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  • GorweGorwe Ald'RuhnMember RarePosts: 4,279
    I don't mind allies, but...

    ...even so, together we can't even as much as tickle corps. Because unwashed masses are still going to purchase crap and we'll be left as a drop in an ocean.

    Sucks, but it's there!
  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 15,001
    Sovrath said:
    Iselin said:
    Whatever his motives (and he claims to be a gamer himself) this will bring more exposure and wider discussion about something that gaming industry execs don't want exposed nor discussed widely... net positive.
    Exactly. I'm not one for government regulation for such stuff but if one is concerned then this isn't going to be a detriment.
    We'll see. One thing I learned while I was in the Navy, is that it can always get worse.
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  • SovrathSovrath Boston Area, MAMember LegendaryPosts: 23,190
    Gorwe said:
    I don't mind allies, but...

    ...even so, together we can't even as much as tickle corps. Because unwashed masses are still going to purchase crap and we'll be left as a drop in an ocean.

    Sucks, but it's there!
    hmmm, but one person's "awesome people" is the next person's "unwashed masses".

    Someone is always going to point a finger and say someone else is "less than". I can't get on board with "they buy loot box games therefore they are unwashed masses.". Because "they buy video games and are unwashed masses" is just as valid.
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  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Houston, TXMember EpicPosts: 16,435
    SEANMCAD said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    We have two choices.

    Let the government regulate micro-transactions
    Let the gaming industry regulate micro-transactions

    The government wants to exploit for taxation and control.
    The gaming industry wants to exploit for pure profit.

    which is better?

    PFFT!
    there is a 3rd choice.

    Not buy games that are not enjoyable
    In one sense, yes, but that's just opting out of the picture, it doesn't change anything for everyone else unless everyone does it. But that's not going to happen.
    then it turns into dictating to others to make the same choices as you.


    personally I think 'gambling for a possible digital advantage over others instead of for decorative items' is flying to close to the sun.


    Who's going to do that?
    Thus my previous point.
    The Govt. or the industry?
    neither.

    dont buy the games.


    again, if you start asking for Govt or the Industry to regulate what OTHER people buy you are walking on a thin line.

    you cant regulate developers into creating good games, you need to buy games that dont suck balls
    You are serious?

    You think that's just going to happen?

    "No the Govt. doesn't need to regulate this. The industry will be kept in line because everyone will just boycott BFII."

    That's your answer?
    I am not sure boycotting the games qualifies as the industry, but yes that is the solution, boycott the games (they are likely trash games anyway) and then free markets will take over. 
    The industry however doesnt need a bunch of developer telling their competitors that they can not shoot themselves in the foot.

    Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.

    Please do not respond to me

  • SovrathSovrath Boston Area, MAMember LegendaryPosts: 23,190
    Torval said:
    Sovrath said:
    Iselin said:
    Whatever his motives (and he claims to be a gamer himself) this will bring more exposure and wider discussion about something that gaming industry execs don't want exposed nor discussed widely... net positive.
    Exactly. I'm not one for government regulation for such stuff but if one is concerned then this isn't going to be a detriment.
    We'll see. One thing I learned while I was in the Navy, is that it can always get worse.
    oh dear ...
    TorvalMrMelGibson



  • t0nydt0nyd Evansville, INMember UncommonPosts: 306
    Torval said:
    Sovrath said:
    Iselin said:
    Whatever his motives (and he claims to be a gamer himself) this will bring more exposure and wider discussion about something that gaming industry execs don't want exposed nor discussed widely... net positive.
    Exactly. I'm not one for government regulation for such stuff but if one is concerned then this isn't going to be a detriment.
    We'll see. One thing I learned while I was in the Navy, is that it can always get worse.
    183 days at sea straight, day 184, why is the ground moving...
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  • blamo2000blamo2000 Member UncommonPosts: 167
    Judging by the recent announcement of the NWN EE, people welcome and applaud predatory gaming practices.
  • SovrathSovrath Boston Area, MAMember LegendaryPosts: 23,190
    edited November 27
    blamo2000 said:
    Judging by the recent announcement of the NWN EE, people welcome and applaud predatory gaming practices.
    You see "case in point".

    One person finds gold, the next person finds crap.


    Post edited by Sovrath on



  • slythsslyths Member UncommonPosts: 197

    Redec said:

    I am astonished by the amount of people that want their government to babysit them. You are not required to purchase anything in a game. Be a grown up and don't buy shit you cannot afford or think is unfairly priced. It's pretty simple.



    Yeah we are grown ups alright(or at least I would like to think that a good percentage of us are) and can easily avoid this crap.
    The problem are most kids, who tap into their parents pockets for this nonsense.
    You could then say: well they need better parenting or their parents should "git gud" at preventing the kids from tapping into the pockets(credit cards, bank accounts, creating fake paypal accounts with parents name etc.).

    Regardless of the conclusion, we all know this is becoming a big problem that needs to be tackled asap. Unfortunately though, it hasn't been taken as seriously as it should have, for a few years now; we then find ourselves now having to involve the government, even though we will have to pay a price for their involvement (more monitoring and less freedom for gamers and developers alike).

    This whole story sucks, but it would suck even more, if we don't take drastic measures.
  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 15,001
    edited November 27
    Sovrath said:
    blamo2000 said:
    Judging by the recent announcement of the NWN EE, people welcome and applaud predatory gaming practices.
    You see "case in point".

    One person finds gold, the next person finds crap.



    Exactly my thought and these people want to control and decide what and how I enjoy my hobby. To these vocal gamers anything they don't like or play is predatory.

    They're not happy just skipping a game. They don't want anyone to play and they want to take down the studios and publishers along the way.
    Post edited by Torval on
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  • Lambon23Lambon23 New York, NYMember UncommonPosts: 48

    SBFord said:

    @Scellow Excessive profanity aside, this wasn't a huge issue for 99% of gamers until about 2 weeks ago with Star Wars: Battlefront 2.  Better now, than never. :|



    *Moves in to the microphone*
    Wrong.
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  • GorweGorwe Ald'RuhnMember RarePosts: 4,279

    Sovrath said:


    Gorwe said:

    I don't mind allies, but...



    ...even so, together we can't even as much as tickle corps. Because unwashed masses are still going to purchase crap and we'll be left as a drop in an ocean.



    Sucks, but it's there!


    hmmm, but one person's "awesome people" is the next person's "unwashed masses".

    Someone is always going to point a finger and say someone else is "less than". I can't get on board with "they buy loot box games therefore they are unwashed masses.". Because "they buy video games and are unwashed masses" is just as valid.



    Hm. A most interesting twist. You are quite right. They are still unwashed masses. Come on! You know they are.
  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 15,001
    Gorwe said:

    Sovrath said:


    Gorwe said:

    I don't mind allies, but...



    ...even so, together we can't even as much as tickle corps. Because unwashed masses are still going to purchase crap and we'll be left as a drop in an ocean.



    Sucks, but it's there!


    hmmm, but one person's "awesome people" is the next person's "unwashed masses".

    Someone is always going to point a finger and say someone else is "less than". I can't get on board with "they buy loot box games therefore they are unwashed masses.". Because "they buy video games and are unwashed masses" is just as valid.



    Hm. A most interesting twist. You are quite right. They are still unwashed masses. Come on! You know they are.

    Why can't they be "the occasionally bathed masses"?
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  • esc-joconnoresc-joconnor TokyoMember UncommonPosts: 515

    SEANMCAD said:



    We have two choices.

    Let the government regulate micro-transactions
    Let the gaming industry regulate micro-transactions

    The government wants to exploit for taxation and control.
    The gaming industry wants to exploit for pure profit.

    which is better?

    PFFT!


    there is a 3rd choice.

    Not buy games that are not enjoyable



    Ha! Because no one enjoys illegal stuff XD

    It's kinda sad reading this thread and seeing how many people have no idea how the world works.
  • AllerleirauhAllerleirauh Member UncommonPosts: 324
    I think it's pathetic that this issue needs a politician. Honestly, this issue starts and ends with gamers. If someone wants to spend hundreds or thousands of dollars on a game, it's their personal decision. I mean, aren't there more pressing issues than this?

    I prefer to keep politicians and so-called "feminists" out of the gaming industry. We now live in a world that wants to legalize marijuana but limit your soft drinks to 16 ounces https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sugary_Drinks_Portion_Cap_Rule. I'm not a soda lover, but shouldn't people be allowed to purchase what they want without the government being involved?

    It's gamers and their lack of control that started this problem in the first place.
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  • adamlotus75adamlotus75 LeedsMember UncommonPosts: 373
    This has been a big problem for some time, it was only a matter of time before some company tried to turn a AAA game into a full on casino. Lootboxes need to die, get this shit out of our games.
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