Forbes: 'Destiny 2' Has Been Secretly Reducing XP Gains, And Is Stopping After Fans Caught On

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  • TheDarkrayneTheDarkrayne UKMember RarePosts: 3,515
    Torval said:
    Comparing a habitual sexual predator living in denial to an xp balance issue in a game is crazy. People need to dial back down to reality.
    Surely you mean people need to stop misinterpreting things? I was just referring to the statements as a PR/damage control stunt. Sometimes you go way beyond what was actually said. It reminds me of his "statement", not what he did.
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  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Nashville, TNMember EpicPosts: 2,974
    edited November 26
    Torval said:
    Comparing a habitual sexual predator living in denial to an xp balance issue in a game is crazy. People need to dial back down to reality.

    If people who don't play the game want to frame an outrage issue and setup their next industry bogeyman nothing anyone else says will stop you. Considering the games those people play their outrage is laughable.
    For someone who labels the evolution of lootbox usage a non-issue and hates how it produces forum PvP, your post about that very issue seems to crave some forum PvP.
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  • IselinIselin Vancouver, BCMember LegendaryPosts: 10,262
    edited November 26

    predatory

    [pred-uh-tawr-ee, -tohr-ee] 
    adjective
    1. Zoology. preying upon other organisms for food.
    2. of, relating to, or characterized by plunder, pillage, robbery, or exploitation: predatory tactics.
    3. engaging in or living by these activities: predatory bands of brigands
    4. excessive or exploitive in amount or cost, as out of greed or to take advantage of consumers or patrons: predatory pricing.
    5. acting with or possessed by overbearing, rapacious, or selfish motives: He was cornered at the party by a predatory reporter.


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  • HeraseHerase LondonMember RarePosts: 917
    Iselin said:
    kitarad said:
    I think it is always quite interesting the explanations that politicians, companies , developers and other entities give when they are caught red handed. There must be some very limber mental gymnastics that are performed to come out with bald faced lies and try to convince people otherwise.
    They actually barely even bother to apologize or justify because they know damn well that these days all they really need to do is wait for the short public attention span to run its course and move on to the next thing.

    The outrage either gets outdated automatically or they help it along with very simple "But hey, look over here!" messages.


    Tend to agree, but considering these past few months, Activision and EA seem to be competing to be labeled the biggest scumbags of 2017.

    I get the feeling they don't want us to forget. I've heard 3 - 4 stories each for both companies the past 2 -3 months. Think it will be bit harder for people to forget, well I hope anyway.
  • OldKingLogOldKingLog Member UncommonPosts: 27
    edited November 26
    Basic economics. Does the store announce when it raises the prices on milk? Why does every price end in 99? All game companies adjust their XP curves to attain maximum profit. Businesses aren't charities. 
    Consumers aren't charities either yet game companies seem bound and determined to treat them as such. This idea of pay now, pay later, pay again and again and again, is not consumer friendly.
    And in fact when coupled with RNG gambling and deceptive game mechanics like  unannounced XP penalties to increase grind is down right predatory.
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  • esc-joconnoresc-joconnor TokyoMember UncommonPosts: 515
    Torval said:
    Make sure you have your maxed LL gear equipped when picking up any engrams. You have to do it before you pick up an engram because once it's picked up the LL is locked.
    I thought you didn't need to swap gear in D2, that it looked at your inventory to determine the level of gear you should be receiving. Is that not working? I know the original Destiny worked that way though.
  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 15,001
    edited November 27
    Torval said:
    Make sure you have your maxed LL gear equipped when picking up any engrams. You have to do it before you pick up an engram because once it's picked up the LL is locked.
    I thought you didn't need to swap gear in D2, that it looked at your inventory to determine the level of gear you should be receiving. Is that not working? I know the original Destiny worked that way though.

    You're probably right but I'm not sure and I never read anything authoritative that said otherwise. I did hear that though.  I'll see if I can find out or test it in game.
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  • cielyciely Member UncommonPosts: 62
    edited November 27
    whats more surprising is how people buy destiny 2 after all that destiny 1 dlc nonsense
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  • cjmarshcjmarsh Member UncommonPosts: 16
      Why is that necessary?
    Because nobody likes nerfs. Even when they're necessary. Unfortunately for Bungie, nobody likes being deceived either.
  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Nashville, TNMember EpicPosts: 2,974
    edited November 28
    Update on the entire subject: after promising to rework the system, Bungie has doubled the amount of XP required to earn the engrams.

    At least they're being honest about it, though from what I understand, they doubled it prior to actually implementing the fix to the game to reflect accurate XP earned per activity.  /facepalm

    http://www.gamerevolution.com/news/357769-destiny-2-update-doubles-xp-requirement-bright-engrams
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  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 15,001
    Torval said:
    Make sure you have your maxed LL gear equipped when picking up any engrams. You have to do it before you pick up an engram because once it's picked up the LL is locked.
    I thought you didn't need to swap gear in D2, that it looked at your inventory to determine the level of gear you should be receiving. Is that not working? I know the original Destiny worked that way though.
    I tried to test this last night but couldn't tell one way or the other. But what you say makes sense so I went with that approach last night and it didn't hamper drops or LL quality at all.

    I really hate Fusion guns they're like lame shotguns with better range and aoe but still crappy damage. I'm not a fan of the grenade launcher either, but the rocket launcher is gold in the right situation. I've just never found the right one for some of those weapons. Keeping them equipped to keep my light level maxed for drops was a pain in the ass.
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  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 15,001
    edited November 28
    oops, wrong thread. sry.
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  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Nashville, TNMember EpicPosts: 2,974
    Torval said:
    In my opinion rewards drop like candy in the game except for exotics. There needs to be a more deterministic path to unlocking exotics than waiting for a drop. I like that I can pull them out of the locker (for a fee) and upgrade them to max that way, but getting the few I want that I don't have is a pain.

    In my opinion Exotics drop and acquisition outside of Trials, Nightfall, or Leviathan is the issue that affects progression and fun. The Bright Engrams are mostly skins and shaders. It's fun to deck out the character in style, but it's not part of what improves combat encounters.

    If we're going to talk about issues then lets address those that relate to game fun.
    It seems to be a large issue on their official forums, and is related to the original premise, so it felt worth adding.

    I did also notice a thread with a heavy amount of upvotes in support of the idea that tokens sucked.

    However, it's really about maintaining good communication with players here.  If you've already been called out for misrepresenting a game feature in a way that stank to high heavens of "....  Or you could just buy it!" the last thing you wanna do is ninja change a related system to, again, increase grind.  That's not even a tough concept for an individual to understand, much less a veteran game studio.

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  • IselinIselin Vancouver, BCMember LegendaryPosts: 10,262
    Update on the entire subject: after promising to rework the system, Bungie has doubled the amount of XP required to earn the engrams.

    At least they're being honest about it, though from what I understand, they doubled it prior to actually implementing the fix to the game to reflect accurate XP earned per activity.  /facepalm

    http://www.gamerevolution.com/news/357769-destiny-2-update-doubles-xp-requirement-bright-engrams
    So instead of nerfing XP for repeated easy activity grinding and displaying that nerf for all to see, they've opted for doubling the required XP thereby nerfing it for anyone doing any activity? lol
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    With the mystery tramp, but now you realize
    He's not selling any alibis
    As you stare into the vacuum of his eyes
    And say "Do you want to make a deal?"
  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Nashville, TNMember EpicPosts: 2,974
    Iselin said:
    Update on the entire subject: after promising to rework the system, Bungie has doubled the amount of XP required to earn the engrams.

    At least they're being honest about it, though from what I understand, they doubled it prior to actually implementing the fix to the game to reflect accurate XP earned per activity.  /facepalm

    http://www.gamerevolution.com/news/357769-destiny-2-update-doubles-xp-requirement-bright-engrams
    So instead of nerfing XP for repeated easy activity grinding and displaying that nerf for all to see, they've opted for doubling the required XP thereby nerfing it for anyone doing any activity? lol
    Yea, it seems pretty tone deaf.  I'm not sure why Bungie though now would be a great time to make that change, even if it was previously planned lol...  /boggle

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  • HeraseHerase LondonMember RarePosts: 917
    ciely said:
    whats more surprising is how people buy destiny 2 after all that destiny 1 dlc nonsense
    Well I think the die hard fans thought, "surely what they learnt and the implemented ideas would pass on to the next game." 

    Which they're right to think, as it's a standard thing in most games. First game is created, by the next one they iron out the kinks and improve their content and gameplay for the second one.

    Update on the entire subject: after promising to rework the system, Bungie has doubled the amount of XP required to earn the engrams.

    At least they're being honest about it, though from what I understand, they doubled it prior to actually implementing the fix to the game to reflect accurate XP earned per activity.  /facepalm

    http://www.gamerevolution.com/news/357769-destiny-2-update-doubles-xp-requirement-bright-engrams
    Well they got caught out the first time, not surprising that they're being honest now. Players are watching them like hawks



  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Nashville, TNMember EpicPosts: 2,974
    Herase said:
    ciely said:
    whats more surprising is how people buy destiny 2 after all that destiny 1 dlc nonsense
    Well I think the die hard fans thought, "surely what they learnt and the implemented ideas would pass on to the next game." 

    Which they're right to think, as it's a standard thing in most games. First game is created, by the next one they iron out the kinks and improve their content and gameplay for the second one.

    Update on the entire subject: after promising to rework the system, Bungie has doubled the amount of XP required to earn the engrams.

    At least they're being honest about it, though from what I understand, they doubled it prior to actually implementing the fix to the game to reflect accurate XP earned per activity.  /facepalm

    http://www.gamerevolution.com/news/357769-destiny-2-update-doubles-xp-requirement-bright-engrams
    Well they got caught out the first time, not surprising that they're being honest now. Players are watching them like hawks



    They didn't announce it- they just confirmed it after players noticed, front what I understand.  But at least is wasn't misrepresented in the game UI.

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  • XasapisXasapis VolosMember UncommonPosts: 5,566
    It's interesting how all these people claim cosmetic are unimportant, despite being such a huge incentive as an extra monetisation source for every company out there.
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