All you MMO newbs were warned about F2P. Yet you supported it.

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  • psychosiz1psychosiz1 Member UncommonPosts: 78
    chukekle1 said:
    BooHoo, cry me a river. F2P is going no were and you can cry about it all you want, F2P is the present and the future of MMOs, enjoy
    Too bad we don't have a dick button
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  • GolelornGolelorn Hiding From Social Media Peeping Toms, ALMember UncommonPosts: 1,310
    JeroKane said:
    DMKano said:
    OP - just because there is a patent now - it doesn't mean that this as not been going on for years already.




    Yup. What this patent describes has been going on in pretty much every mobile game on the market, not to mention that pretty much any Asian developed MMO always worked like that as well. Pay up or fail!

    At least Activision isn't (aren't able to) hiding it anymore lol.
    I don't think you know what a patent means.
  • lahnmirlahnmir UtrechtMember RarePosts: 925
    Doom!! Doooooom!!

    Are we done now?

    /Cheers,
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  • AAAMEOWAAAMEOW New York, NYMember UncommonPosts: 470
    I ended up playing cash shop games because there isn't much choice.  Almost all the mmorpg on the market have cash shop.
  • Jean-Luc_PicardJean-Luc_Picard La BarreMember EpicPosts: 6,610
    DjDriVer said:
    Consider this if you will...an example being WoW.  You pat $19 for World of Warcraft, then spend $15/month say for 4 yrs. Let's not forget the expansion every 2 yrs, which usually costs $50.  BAMM! you have just paid $820.00 for a game. go on, drive on down to Walmart and fork out $820.00 for a game, the wife will divorce you, not to mention having to take out a 2nd mortgage on the house to buy the game at that price.  F2p may try to gank you with an item mall, but that is by choice.
    This is an incredibly bad explanation.

    4 years of being entertained for thousands of hours for only $820 is a steal.

    You pay $40 just to see a movie that lasts measly a hour and half.

    I can pay my $20 for a game and get 8 hours of entertainment in the first day, and then 20+ hours of entertainment for $15 for the rest of the month.
    Let's fix DjDriVer's drivel:

    $19+$15*12*4+2*$50 = $839.

    $839 / (12*4) = $17.48

    ZOMG! YOU JUST SPENT $17 and half per month on video games. You are really an horrible person.
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  • ConstantineMerusConstantineMerus LondonMember RarePosts: 1,283
    The reason this practice is booming is not because of them newbs who didn't heed your warning. It is because of the whales who didn't care, and now they are even happier. 
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  • nariusseldonnariusseldon santa clara, CAMember RarePosts: 27,395
    madazz said:
    EA/Activision will now be setting you up in game to fail, or spend. Long gone are the competitive days. They have a new patent that will put you with people with very strong purchased items so that you fail and want to purchase it yourself. Their hope is you join, get raped. Buy a weapon to compete, do awesome against another person that was in the same situation as you previously, then group you yet again with someone who has stronger purchased in game items. Thus making you want to make another purchase.

    I hope you are all happy! Lots of us warned you! Good luck in your "competitive" games going forward. Like F2P, you guys will support it and it will spread to other devs. 

    I hope this leads to some really high end and excellent single player games.

    I play mostly pve games ... and if they get whales to subsidize development of single player games, so much the better.


  • CrazKanukCrazKanuk Elmira, ONMember EpicPosts: 5,827
    madazz said:
    EA/Activision will now be setting you up in game to fail, or spend. Long gone are the competitive days. They have a new patent that will put you with people with very strong purchased items so that you fail and want to purchase it yourself. Their hope is you join, get raped. Buy a weapon to compete, do awesome against another person that was in the same situation as you previously, then group you yet again with someone who has stronger purchased in game items. Thus making you want to make another purchase.

    I hope you are all happy! Lots of us warned you! Good luck in your "competitive" games going forward. Like F2P, you guys will support it and it will spread to other devs. 

    I hope this leads to some really high end and excellent single player games.


    This is another perceptual issue. You're assuming that someone who is really good at "Game X" is unable to compete due to not spending money. I don't think there's evidence to support this. In fact, my own experience is that unless you sell me a weapon that auto-aims and shoots someone from across the map, I can't realistically compete in a competitive game. 

    Also, you're making assumptions about the use and/or implementation of a piece of technology that is, apparently, not in games yet. In reality it could already be in games, which would make your point moot. 

    Also, what if they match you against someone who has this weapon and you destroy them? That would, theoretically, make you swear off buying anything at all. 

    I think that one of the most substantial observations is that people seem to believe that with a better weapon, item, mod, they will somehow be better, when it reality in order to actually be better you need to survive long enough to actually shoot that weapon. I think it's an interesting observation, though. Maybe people just need to come to terms with the fact that they suck.
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  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Houston, TXMember EpicPosts: 16,098
    madazz said:
    EA/Activision will now be setting you up in game to fail, or spend. Long gone are the competitive days. They have a new patent that will put you with people with very strong purchased items so that you fail and want to purchase it yourself. Their hope is you join, get raped. Buy a weapon to compete, do awesome against another person that was in the same situation as you previously, then group you yet again with someone who has stronger purchased in game items. Thus making you want to make another purchase.

    I hope you are all happy! Lots of us warned you! Good luck in your "competitive" games going forward. Like F2P, you guys will support it and it will spread to other devs. 

    I hope this leads to some really high end and excellent single player games.
    and yet again I need to remind people, the best of the indie games dont do any of this
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  • AlbatroesAlbatroes Member EpicPosts: 3,605
    This has never been a new thing and I'm completely fine with f2p practices, even some b2p practices. Where it irks me is p2p games, but that's risk when you allow it in some and not all.
  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Houston, TXMember EpicPosts: 16,098
    Albatroes said:
    This has never been a new thing and I'm completely fine with f2p practices, even some b2p practices. Where it irks me is p2p games, but that's risk when you allow it in some and not all.
    The main objective of a so called 'AAA company' is to exploit you.
    The term itself 'AAA company' most likely has roots in a marketing strategy.
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  • HarikenHariken Brighton, MAMember RarePosts: 1,716
    ciely said:
    meanwhile there are p2p games with p2w cash shops, p2w isn't a exclusive to f2p games.
    Yeah this myth needs to die. So sick of post claiming this only happens in f2p games. All game companies number one priority is to get as much money out of you. And your stupid if you think because you pay a monthly sub in your game your safe from it. 
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  • nariusseldonnariusseldon santa clara, CAMember RarePosts: 27,395
    The reason this practice is booming is not because of them newbs who didn't heed your warning. It is because of the whales who didn't care, and now they are even happier. 

    and who is the OP to tell the whales what they can or cannot do? It is their money. If they want to buy loot boxes, or gamble it away in Vegas, or just burn it for fun, it is their prerogative.
  • ConstantineMerusConstantineMerus LondonMember RarePosts: 1,283
    The reason this practice is booming is not because of them newbs who didn't heed your warning. It is because of the whales who didn't care, and now they are even happier. 

    and who is the OP to tell the whales what they can or cannot do? It is their money. If they want to buy loot boxes, or gamble it away in Vegas, or just burn it for fun, it is their prerogative.
    Prying into other people's personal affairs and criticism are two different things, don't have them mixed up. One can sell their child and buy heroin instead. It is his business, but I'd still call him a fucking mindless junkie. 

    And this issue is very different, because it is affecting people besides the whales, otherwise no one would've cared. 

    So if you are saying no one is allowed to express their opinion on regards of what affects them directly--we're not speculating anymore, it has already happened--then you should heed your own advice and stop tellibg people what they cannot do. 
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  • DakeruDakeru Member EpicPosts: 3,198
    The reason this practice is booming is not because of them newbs who didn't heed your warning. It is because of the whales who didn't care, and now they are even happier. 

    and who is the OP to tell the whales what they can or cannot do? It is their money. If they want to buy loot boxes, or gamble it away in Vegas, or just burn it for fun, it is their prerogative.
    Prying into other people's personal affairs and criticism are two different things, don't have them mixed up. One can sell their child and buy heroin instead. It is his business, but I'd still call him a fucking mindless junkie. 

    And this issue is very different, because it is affecting people besides the whales, otherwise no one would've cared. 

    So if you are saying no one is allowed to express their opinion on regards of what affects them directly--we're not speculating anymore, it has already happened--then you should heed your own advice and stop tellibg people what they cannot do. 
    But frankly.. the games that never get out of pre-release state are way worse.
    They keep raking in money while being almost unplayable.

    This is hurting the players way more than the f2p model.
  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Houston, TXMember EpicPosts: 16,098
    The reason this practice is booming is not because of them newbs who didn't heed your warning. It is because of the whales who didn't care, and now they are even happier. 

    and who is the OP to tell the whales what they can or cannot do? It is their money. If they want to buy loot boxes, or gamble it away in Vegas, or just burn it for fun, it is their prerogative.
    Prying into other people's personal affairs and criticism are two different things, don't have them mixed up. One can sell their child and buy heroin instead. It is his business, but I'd still call him a fucking mindless junkie. 

    And this issue is very different, because it is affecting people besides the whales, otherwise no one would've cared. 

    So if you are saying no one is allowed to express their opinion on regards of what affects them directly--we're not speculating anymore, it has already happened--then you should heed your own advice and stop tellibg people what they cannot do. 
    ITS A FUCKING GAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    sorry I just had to vent, it was driving me nuts
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  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Houston, TXMember EpicPosts: 16,098
    edited October 20
    Dakeru said:
    The reason this practice is booming is not because of them newbs who didn't heed your warning. It is because of the whales who didn't care, and now they are even happier. 

    and who is the OP to tell the whales what they can or cannot do? It is their money. If they want to buy loot boxes, or gamble it away in Vegas, or just burn it for fun, it is their prerogative.
    Prying into other people's personal affairs and criticism are two different things, don't have them mixed up. One can sell their child and buy heroin instead. It is his business, but I'd still call him a fucking mindless junkie. 

    And this issue is very different, because it is affecting people besides the whales, otherwise no one would've cared. 

    So if you are saying no one is allowed to express their opinion on regards of what affects them directly--we're not speculating anymore, it has already happened--then you should heed your own advice and stop tellibg people what they cannot do. 
    But frankly.. the games that never get out of pre-release state are way worse.
    They keep raking in money while being almost unplayable.

    This is hurting the players way more than the f2p model.
    that is very far from the truth.

    These titles are friggin fantastic, most of them are the best games I have ever played...ever

    Space Engineers
    Medieval Engineers

    7 Days to Die

    Imperium Galactic Survival

    The Forest

    Subnautica

    Life is Feudal

    Stranded Deep

    From the Depths

    Kerbal Space Program

    StarMade

    Another Brick in the Mall

    Kenshi

    RimWorld

    Hospitalize

    I have by far more hours playing these 'unfinished' games then I do finished games by a large margin. why? because they are fun

    Post edited by SEANMCAD on

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  • Panther2103Panther2103 Edmonds, WAMember RarePosts: 3,538
    I don't care if the game is Free to Play, Pay to Play, has a Cash Shop, or anything like that. If the game is fun than it is fun. I'll play the fun games. I'll pay whatever I want if there's more than an upfront fee and if it feels worth it. 
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  • KnightFalzKnightFalz Member UncommonPosts: 259
    I'm sure securing this patent in a market where the masses have already accepted this being the overwhelming default will change things substantially.
  • DakeruDakeru Member EpicPosts: 3,198
    SEANMCAD said:
    Dakeru said:
    The reason this practice is booming is not because of them newbs who didn't heed your warning. It is because of the whales who didn't care, and now they are even happier. 

    and who is the OP to tell the whales what they can or cannot do? It is their money. If they want to buy loot boxes, or gamble it away in Vegas, or just burn it for fun, it is their prerogative.
    Prying into other people's personal affairs and criticism are two different things, don't have them mixed up. One can sell their child and buy heroin instead. It is his business, but I'd still call him a fucking mindless junkie. 

    And this issue is very different, because it is affecting people besides the whales, otherwise no one would've cared. 

    So if you are saying no one is allowed to express their opinion on regards of what affects them directly--we're not speculating anymore, it has already happened--then you should heed your own advice and stop tellibg people what they cannot do. 
    But frankly.. the games that never get out of pre-release state are way worse.
    They keep raking in money while being almost unplayable.

    This is hurting the players way more than the f2p model.
    that is very far from the truth.

    These titles are friggin fantastic, most of them are the best games I have ever played...ever

    Space Engineers
    Medieval Engineers

    7 Days to Die

    Imperium Galactic Survival

    The Forest

    Subnautica

    Life is Feudal

    Stranded Deep

    From the Depths

    Kerbal Space Program

    StarMade

    Another Brick in the Mall

    Kenshi

    RimWorld

    Hospitalize

    I have by far more hours playing these 'unfinished' games then I do finished games by a large margin. why? because they are fun

    I clearly said games that never get out of the pre-release state.

    Space Engineers
    Release Date: 23 Oct, 2013

    Medieval Engineers
    Release Date: 19 Feb, 2015

    The Forest
    RELEASE DATE: 30 May, 2014

    7 Days to Die
    RELEASE DATE: 13 Dec, 2013

    Kerbal Space Program
    Release Date: 27 Apr, 2015

    Life is Feudal
    RELEASE DATE: 17 Nov, 2015

    etc etc etc 
  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Houston, TXMember EpicPosts: 16,098
    Dakeru said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    Dakeru said:
    The reason this practice is booming is not because of them newbs who didn't heed your warning. It is because of the whales who didn't care, and now they are even happier. 

    and who is the OP to tell the whales what they can or cannot do? It is their money. If they want to buy loot boxes, or gamble it away in Vegas, or just burn it for fun, it is their prerogative.
    Prying into other people's personal affairs and criticism are two different things, don't have them mixed up. One can sell their child and buy heroin instead. It is his business, but I'd still call him a fucking mindless junkie. 

    And this issue is very different, because it is affecting people besides the whales, otherwise no one would've cared. 

    So if you are saying no one is allowed to express their opinion on regards of what affects them directly--we're not speculating anymore, it has already happened--then you should heed your own advice and stop tellibg people what they cannot do. 
    But frankly.. the games that never get out of pre-release state are way worse.
    They keep raking in money while being almost unplayable.

    This is hurting the players way more than the f2p model.
    that is very far from the truth.

    These titles are friggin fantastic, most of them are the best games I have ever played...ever

    Space Engineers
    Medieval Engineers

    7 Days to Die

    Imperium Galactic Survival

    The Forest

    Subnautica

    Life is Feudal

    Stranded Deep

    From the Depths

    Kerbal Space Program

    StarMade

    Another Brick in the Mall

    Kenshi

    RimWorld

    Hospitalize

    I have by far more hours playing these 'unfinished' games then I do finished games by a large margin. why? because they are fun

    I clearly said games that never get out of the pre-release state.

    Space Engineers
    Release Date: 23 Oct, 2013

    Medieval Engineers
    Release Date: 19 Feb, 2015

    The Forest
    RELEASE DATE: 30 May, 2014

    7 Days to Die
    RELEASE DATE: 13 Dec, 2013

    Kerbal Space Program
    Release Date: 27 Apr, 2015

    Life is Feudal
    RELEASE DATE: 17 Nov, 2015

    etc etc etc 
    all of those games are in early access (pre-release). some of them are now released but I still had the vast majority of my play hours when they were in early access

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  • azarhalazarhal Somewhere, BCMember UncommonPosts: 1,167
    edited October 20
    I'm sure securing this patent in a market where the masses have already accepted this being the overwhelming default will change things substantially.
    Funny enough, with this new patent, Activision could sue the other companies for doing the same now... (and depending how the others did it, win). So it might actually cause change, as in only Activision will be legally allowed to do it.
    Post edited by azarhal on
  • DakeruDakeru Member EpicPosts: 3,198
    SEANMCAD said:
    all of those games are in early access (pre-release). some of them are now released but I still had the vast majority of my play hours when they were in early access
    Maybe so but again I clearly said games that NEVER get out of pre-release are hurting the players.

    So if you give me a list of games that released 2-4 years ago it clearly doesn't qualify as games I criticized.
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  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Houston, TXMember EpicPosts: 16,098
    edited October 20
    Dakeru said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    all of those games are in early access (pre-release). some of them are now released but I still had the vast majority of my play hours when they were in early access
    Maybe so but again I clearly said games that NEVER get out of pre-release are hurting the players.

    So if you give me a list of games that released 2-4 years ago it clearly doesn't qualify as games I criticized.
    the vast majority of those games are still in early access. they are still pre-released, so they have 'never been released'. so what makes you think they will become released?

    and when is 'never'? 6 months? 7 months? 4 years? (7 days to die has been in early access for almost 4 years and I have 1000 hours of fun in them)

    so again....games in pre-release status are not bad by default and 'never' is tricky to quantify isnt?
    Post edited by SEANMCAD on
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  • ResidevResidev Member UncommonPosts: 27
    edited October 20
    azarhal said:
    I'm sure securing this patent in a market where the masses have already accepted this being the overwhelming default will change things substantially.
    Funny enough, with this new patent, Activision could sue the other companies for doing the same now... (and depending how the others did it, win). So it might actually cause change, as in only Activision will be legally allowed to do it.
    Actually the patent specifically describes a method to lure people to purchase items, rather than patenting the item-mall itself.

    For example - match-making will match you against players who have purchased items that are very effective against you - or even, who have the items that you want, and the game knows it.

    Or on the contrary - if you just bought an item from the shop, it will match you again weaker players, making you feel good about the purchase.


    As far as I'm aware - no item shop works like that. And EA/Activision states that none of their games use it (yet) either.




    But it seems like everyone misses one major point:
    It's patent, so only EA/Activision will use this joke of a system to shoo away their customers, so no one should care, really.
    Post edited by Residev on
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