Epic Cracks Its Knuckles Ready to Fight As It Takes Two Players to Court for Cheating - Fortnite - M

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Fortnite News - Epic is not taking any guff from players and cheat providers in Fortnite: Battle Royale. In new documents filed recently, Epic is suing two players named "Vraspir" and "Broom" for infringing on the company's copyright due to changes made to the game's code, placing them in violation of the Terms of Service. According to the documents, one of the pair has been banned nine times. Both players are associated with a site that provides access to cheats.

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  • diabeldiabel KoszalinMember UncommonPosts: 33
    Taking players to court for cheating in games... overkill much? It's a game.
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  • SBFordSBFord Associate Editor - News Manager The CitadelMMORPG.COM Staff LegendaryPosts: 25,454
    diabel said:
    Taking players to court for cheating in games... overkill much? It's a game.
    If you read the full article, they're both associated with a cheat site as staff members.
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  • DMKanoDMKano Gamercentral, AKMember LegendaryPosts: 16,694
    edited October 12
    diabel said:
    Taking players to court for cheating in games... overkill much? It's a game.

    Its PR - and marketing, never forget the real motivation behind this.

    They know damn well that there is no way to stop cheaters, but might as well get some buzz in the media, right?


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  • DMKanoDMKano Gamercentral, AKMember LegendaryPosts: 16,694
    edited October 12
    SBFord said:
    diabel said:
    Taking players to court for cheating in games... overkill much? It's a game.
    If you read the full article, they're both associated with a cheat site as staff members.

    Heh they went after a small US based site because they have no jurasdiction over the big cheat sites overseas.

    Good luck suing those russian and chinese sites... 
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  • BlotieBlotie anywhere, MSMember UncommonPosts: 24

    diabel said:

    Taking players to court for cheating in games... overkill much? It's a game.



    It is a game to you. To them it is their business and livelihood.
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  • SovrathSovrath Boston Area, MAMember LegendaryPosts: 22,883

    diabel said:

    Taking players to court for cheating in games... overkill much? It's a game.



    I would love it for players to be taken to court for such things.
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  • DMKanoDMKano Gamercentral, AKMember LegendaryPosts: 16,694
    Blotie said:

    diabel said:

    Taking players to court for cheating in games... overkill much? It's a game.



    It is a game to you. To them it is their business and livelihood.

    Cheating sucks, and while game companies take measures to curtail it, they all know that it cannot be stopped.

    Also the game companies know that players are absolutely willing to accept cheating as long as there is a notion that devs are doing something about it.

    And thats the key part - a perception that something is being done about it, when in reality the cheats go on.

    Thats what this is - selling the playerbase that perception "we are cracking down on cheaters"

    I mean thats all players want, an assurance, but we all know the cheats will go on, but dont you feel better about it?

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  • Panther2103Panther2103 Edmonds, WAMember RarePosts: 3,463

    SBFord said:


    diabel said:

    Taking players to court for cheating in games... overkill much? It's a game.


    If you read the full article, they're both associated with a cheat site as staff members.



    I think getting rid of a site through this method will make other sites based in the US probably not offer cheats for this game. Especially if people associated know that they are willing to do this.
  • DMKanoDMKano Gamercentral, AKMember LegendaryPosts: 16,694
    Sovrath said:

    diabel said:

    Taking players to court for cheating in games... overkill much? It's a game.



    I would love it for players to be taken to court for such things.

    How woud this work for players outside US?

    Its completely unrealistic and is a terrible idea IMO

    The last thing we need is more needless lawsuits 
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  • DMKanoDMKano Gamercentral, AKMember LegendaryPosts: 16,694

    SBFord said:


    diabel said:

    Taking players to court for cheating in games... overkill much? It's a game.


    If you read the full article, they're both associated with a cheat site as staff members.



    I think getting rid of a site through this method will make other sites based in the US probably not offer cheats for this game. Especially if people associated know that they are willing to do this.
    The problem is the biggest cheat sites are all outside US for this very reason
  • Geddon95405Geddon95405 Santa Rosa, CAMember UncommonPosts: 85
    any solution that reduces cheating, short of rootkits, is worth it to me

    cheaters take all of the value out of online multiplayer

    1 player using cheats can play matches all day and destroy the game experience for hundreds of players PER DAY.

    anything that can ruin the game experience for a cheater, in real life or otherwise, is worth it
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  • dave6660dave6660 New York, NYMember UncommonPosts: 2,630
    Do they really think this will deter anyone from cheating?

    It's reminds me of when the RIAA went on lawsuit spree for pirating music.  Has piracy stopped or even slowed down?

    In the end the only people who will win here are the lawyers.
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  • Panther2103Panther2103 Edmonds, WAMember RarePosts: 3,463
    DMKano said:

    SBFord said:


    diabel said:

    Taking players to court for cheating in games... overkill much? It's a game.


    If you read the full article, they're both associated with a cheat site as staff members.



    I think getting rid of a site through this method will make other sites based in the US probably not offer cheats for this game. Especially if people associated know that they are willing to do this.
    The problem is the biggest cheat sites are all outside US for this very reason
    Yeah that's true. I guess I don't know what else they can do other than try scare tactics to prevent people from buying them. Anti cheat won't really work due to insanely fast patches for cheat programs getting around any anti cheat, banning won't really work due to being able to change IP's or being able to just repurchase the product. I can't really think of much they can do. Players will cheat because they suck, and it makes them look good. 

    Although I can't say I haven't cheated before. I got bored once on CS: S and downloaded an aimbot and a spinhack just to mess around on a non vac server with other hackers, I can see why it's fun just to mess around, but I can't see why people would ever do it seriously instead of just getting better at games. 
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  • DauzqulDauzqul Detroit, MIMember RarePosts: 1,635
    They should certainly be fined. Cheaters can destroy a game's profit. I've quit a few games due to cheaters / constant exploiters.
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  • DaranarDaranar Walkersville, MDMember UncommonPosts: 223

    dave6660 said:

    Do they really think this will deter anyone from cheating?

    It's reminds me of when the RIAA went on lawsuit spree for pirating music.  Has piracy stopped or even slowed down?

    In the end the only people who will win here are the lawyers.



    This, they are going to drag two folks through the mud over a game. My God. A game they aren't stealing, reselling, or committing any crime against. And this quote is exactly right. It's not making an example, it's not stopping, rather it's just encouraging cheaters to look for better avenues in which they won't get caught. Shame on Epic (It's also bad PR) and shame on any court who wastes tax payer dollars to hear such an idiotic case. If the value of your product is in the online experience, then do your job. Don't suck at it then cry to the courts over it.

    I hate cheaters but when big corporations start sueing the little guy...well Epic lost a Christmas sale.

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  • KajidourdenKajidourden Panama City, FLMember RarePosts: 1,433

    Daranar said:



    dave6660 said:


    Do they really think this will deter anyone from cheating?

    It's reminds me of when the RIAA went on lawsuit spree for pirating music.  Has piracy stopped or even slowed down?

    In the end the only people who will win here are the lawyers.






    This, they are going to drag two folks through the mud over a game. My God. A game they aren't stealing, reselling, or committing any crime against. And this quote is exactly right. It's not making an example, it's not stopping, rather it's just encouraging cheaters to look for better avenues in which they won't get caught. Shame on Epic (It's also bad PR) and shame on any court who wastes tax payer dollars to hear such an idiotic case. If the value of your product is in the online experience, then do your job. Don't suck at it then cry to the courts over it.



    I hate cheaters but when big corporations start sueing the little guy...well Epic lost a Christmas sale.



    Are you of the opinion that nobody has a right to self-defense then? Cause that's what this is.
  • SovrathSovrath Boston Area, MAMember LegendaryPosts: 22,883
    DMKano said:
    Sovrath said:

    diabel said:

    Taking players to court for cheating in games... overkill much? It's a game.



    I would love it for players to be taken to court for such things.

    How woud this work for players outside US?

    Its completely unrealistic and is a terrible idea IMO

    The last thing we need is more needless lawsuits 
    It wouldn't. Doesn't change the fact that I think they should be held accountable.
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  • kryntokkryntok Lubbock, TXMember UncommonPosts: 27
    Get them epic! Lead the way!
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  • AlbatroesAlbatroes Member EpicPosts: 3,437
    Epic is pretty smart especially with PUBG getting a lot of back lash over how its been handling its Chinese market. Draws dissatisfied customers from there over to them even if it seems unrelated.
  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 14,443
    dave6660 said:
    Do they really think this will deter anyone from cheating?

    It's reminds me of when the RIAA went on lawsuit spree for pirating music.  Has piracy stopped or even slowed down?

    In the end the only people who will win here are the lawyers.
    This isn't random user. These are people associated with a cheating site. You still go after people who violate the law and cross a line. It's not about stopping everything. This is similar to IT security. No one measure is fully effective, but many small measures together provide a more robust system. That doesn't stop cyber crime or guarantee it won't happen, but it does inhibit and make it more costly making that target less interesting.

    The music industry has changed a lot and while I don't know if piracy is down or up because the people I know people who are dirty pirates still do that stuff. However, they also use Spotify or Amazon for music and they pirate less as a result. Piracy and cheating aren't equivalent either. The motivations for lying cheats can be different that pirates so an analogies only work so far in either direction.

    Likely Epic has other tools in its arsenal to make cheating less attractive. And definitely go after those sites. The point of this is to send the signal that they won't rollover for asshats trying to own their game.
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  • XingbairongXingbairong SofiaMember UncommonPosts: 334
    edited October 12

    dave6660 said:

    Do they really think this will deter anyone from cheating?

    It's reminds me of when the RIAA went on lawsuit spree for pirating music.  Has piracy stopped or even slowed down?

    In the end the only people who will win here are the lawyers.



    Comparing the whole world(because pirating was/is done worldwide by tens of millions daily) with a game's playerbase isn't the best example.

    Honestly to me this look like PR and nothing else. Suing 2 people that are based in the US couldn't be more irrelevant when you have in mind that as it was already mentioned the biggest companies that provide hacks and whatnot are usually based in Russia/China or other places that spit on DMCA and any other laws-alike.

    Also I'm surprised that people think that this will deter American companies from offering hacks... It takes 2 minutes to build a site and cover all your tracks, so that they can't find out where you actually are. With cryptocurrencies and a ton of companies that offer offshore solutions I don't see how this will have any effect at all.
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  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 14,443

    dave6660 said:

    Do they really think this will deter anyone from cheating?

    It's reminds me of when the RIAA went on lawsuit spree for pirating music.  Has piracy stopped or even slowed down?

    In the end the only people who will win here are the lawyers.



    Comparing the whole world(because pirating was/is done worldwide by tens of millions daily) with a game's playerbase isn't the best example.

    Honestly to me this look like PR and nothing else. Suing 2 people that are based in the US couldn't be more irrelevant when you have in mind that as it was already mentioned the biggest companies that provide hacks and whatnot are usually based in Russia/China or other places that spit on DMCA and any laws-alike.

    Also I'm surprised that people think that this will deter American companies from offering hacks... It takes 2 minutes to build a site and cover all your tracks, so that they can't find out where you actually are. With cryptocurrencies and a ton of companies that offer offshore solutions I don't see how this will have any effect at all.
    These guys tracks weren't covered though. Let people go through Russia if they want to deal with that. Ask Eugene Kaspersky how well that's working out for him now. The point of dragging these guys through the legal system is to make it painful. Maybe you can afford thousands of extra dollars in legal fees (or more), but most people can't and don't want that on their record. It makes getting things like bonded positions difficult or impossible. If they're in IT or a sensitive job field it could ruin their careers.

    It will be interesting so see where these guys land post lawsuit.
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  • TalonsinTalonsin Member EpicPosts: 3,347

    diabel said:

    Taking players to court for cheating in games... overkill much? It's a game.



    Its a business and how some people earn a living. Cheaters ruin games and drive people away, that means lost revenue. I'm pretty sure if you had a business and someone was driving your customers away you would feel the same way, even if your business was games.

    I say, hammer those suckers! Make them spend thousands on their legal defense. Make it known to everyone that anyone in the US caught cheating will face the same thing.
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  • WizardryWizardry Ontario, CanadaMember EpicPosts: 12,985
    edited October 12
    Epic has been behind anti cheat since as long as the first Punkbuster test.This is back around 2000 long before the internet was a common household item,so PR not  likely at all.Lawsuits are going o typically be based on proving loss of revenue because of the cheats, imo very tough to do.Epic did manage to stop one of the main proponents behind cheats from posting his services online but obviously he just went under the radar and sold his stuff privately.

    Is it PR now,i doubt it very much,back in the day Epic actually hired the team or guy who worked on the anti cheat back then,they were serious about it.

    Hard to say who really tossed out the first aimbot as it was likely a secret for some time before known about,aside from the two created by one Epic and some other dude who then allowed it to be shared/leaked and it goes on from there.

    I am never a firm believer that Blizzard cares more about cheating than just protecting their own assets.Gameguard...ALWAYS been a joke,i actually did a mega ton of research behind that and it appeared to be part of a corrupt way to both circumvent "paid" cheats into their games while still meeting security standards.Punkbuster,i used it a few times,seemed to work decently far i could tell,i quit COD though because cheating was way out of hand,couldn't find a single game where somebody wasn't cheating.

    Long story short,we will never see cheating stopped,it is near impossible,which is sort of why i stopped playing fps,i know for fact there will be cheats.
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  • diabeldiabel KoszalinMember UncommonPosts: 33
    edited October 12

    SBFord said:


    diabel said:

    Taking players to court for cheating in games... overkill much? It's a game.


    If you read the full article, they're both associated with a cheat site as staff members.



    Unless these sites are financially killing the game it's overkill and a marketing stunt. Just like the title is misleading clickbait as it states two "players" and not sites. PR much?
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