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  • NildenNilden Canada, NBMember RarePosts: 2,162
    There is no opinion, feeling, or what someone considers from a point of view. You don't just get to label this. There is a proven criteria that must be met for a video game to be called massively multiplayer online, and it isn't just having multiplayer.

    Destiny 2 does not qualify. You are wrong. Just like the other 18% is in @Scorchien 's poll.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destiny_2

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  • TheScavengerTheScavenger Matrix, NYMember RarePosts: 2,165
    Nilden said:
    There is no opinion, feeling, or what someone considers from a point of view. You don't just get to label this. There is a proven criteria that must be met for a video game to be called massively multiplayer online, and it isn't just having multiplayer.

    Destiny 2 does not qualify. You are wrong. Just like the other 18% is in @Scorchien 's poll.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destiny_2

    For also those who are wondering, before we get back onto the topic of Destiny 2

    http://massivelyop.com/tag/destiny-2/

    Official Site: Destiny 2
    Studio: Bungie
    Launch Date: September 6, 2017
    Genre: MMO sci-fi shooter


    http://www.mmorpg.com/destiny-2

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  • TheScavengerTheScavenger Matrix, NYMember RarePosts: 2,165
    Now that we clarified what two major MMO sites say, we can get back to the topic of Destiny 2.

    Here is what the game looks like on PC at 4k resolution at 60 FPS


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  • NildenNilden Canada, NBMember RarePosts: 2,162
    https://www.destinythegame.com/ca/en/game

    What part of that is MMO?

    The 3 player instances?

    The 6 player raids?

    Or the 4v4 PVP?
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  • TheScavengerTheScavenger Matrix, NYMember RarePosts: 2,165
    Now that we clarified what two major MMO sites say, we can get back to the topic of Destiny 2.

    Here is what the game looks like on PC at 4k resolution at 60 FPS


    Here is a PC beta video. Looks very smooth performance wise (though this may be partly be PC dependent). A more normal look at the game, since not many people go the full 4k resolution on their games

    Shows combat and what not in a PvP setting



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  • KnightFalzKnightFalz Member UncommonPosts: 207
    Scorchien said:
    aliven said:
    Scorchien said:
     The people have spoken ...........

      Is Destiny 2 an MMO
    1. Is Destiny 2 an MMO215 votes
      1. Yes
        18.14%
      2. No
        81.86%

    Popularity of opinion doesnt make that opinion fact or even worthwhile. 
       Its a fact that the popular opinion of this community , is that Destiny 2 is not an MMO....
    Your point does nothing to refute the legitimacy of the one you quote.

    Popular fallacy is still fallacy.
  • LeetheLeethe Member UncommonPosts: 893
    I love how people are getting bent out of shape about this. It's like the same 12 guys for the last 10 years slagging off any subforum that looks like its having to much fun. OK its cool, just report these violations to the game classification police and they'll give you a biscuit.

    Anyway, the thing that really surprised me about beta was how well it ran on a GPU from 2013. If Defiance had half that optimization i would still be a patron.

    There is NO miracle patch.

    95% of what you see in beta won't change by launch.

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  • TheScavengerTheScavenger Matrix, NYMember RarePosts: 2,165
    Leethe said:


    Anyway, the thing that really surprised me about beta was how well it ran on a GPU from 2013. If Defiance had half that optimization i would still be a patron.
    That is a good sign that it runs really well on an older GPU. My system isn't the best, but not terrible. But that is what I've seen others say and from what I've seen on videos is amazing optimization. Really look forward to getting into it and seeing how it plays on my particular system.

    It sounds like they did a great job with the tech side of things in performance/stability and what not
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  • SedrynTyrosSedrynTyros USMember EpicPosts: 1,812
    Leethe said:
    I love how people are getting bent out of shape about this. It's like the same 12 guys for the last 10 years slagging off any subforum that looks like its having to much fun. OK its cool, just report these violations to the game classification police and they'll give you a biscuit.

    Anyway, the thing that really surprised me about beta was how well it ran on a GPU from 2013. If Defiance had half that optimization i would still be a patron.
    Well, stop getting bent out of shape then. The rest of us are just talking, yo.  It's a gaming forum.


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  • RhoklawRhoklaw Ft. Bliss, TXMember EpicPosts: 5,166
    I just want to say, Destiny 2 doesn't need to be called an MMO for it to be fun or enjoyable. I don't really understand the driving force behind this ongoing argument about what an MMO is. A term will never define the value of a game for me. I've played single player games that were better than most MMOs and I've played a lot of MMOs. Anyways, good luck on your campaign to prove the earth is flat.
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  • MrMelGibsonMrMelGibson USAMember EpicPosts: 2,238
    Kyleran said:
    Leethe said:
    Season pass pre-ordered. I pretty much know what to expect and I care not one shiz if folks call it an MMO or not. It's not like it has a sub and AS I'm an adult with funds I went for digital deluxe.
    yeah, a lot of people are making a big deal about a game being called something they don't like lol.

    But as for deluxe. That is what I'm leaning toward too. I'm on limited income though, so don't make much money and the state I am in is SUPER expensive. If I lived in a cheap state, my income would make a lot more sense lol. So hopefully I can afford it after bills/rent etc are paid.
    If "some people" would quit labeling this game something which it clearly isn't the issue would never come up.

    But you included in the title make sure your thread got traction. 

    Its just what you do....
    I think he's trying really hard to get that epic purple lol.
  • MrMelGibsonMrMelGibson USAMember EpicPosts: 2,238
    Honestly, I could care less what people call it.  I only care what Bungie calls it and they don't think it's an mmo. 

    Bungie's new game Destiny has been given a lot of names. It's been called a "first-person shooter," "shared-world shooter," "action role-playing game," "mythic sci-fi open-world game," and an "MMO," but which is the most accurate?

    Asked as part of the latest Bungie Weekly Update if the studio ever gets tired of people called Destiny an MMO, the developer said it enjoys the constant debate about how to classify the game.



    Bungie:  Do you guys ever get tired of us insisting it's not an MMO? Debate about this game is always fun, and we welcome it," Bungie said. "The ideas that are shaping Destiny come from a lot of different places. We're drawing the best elements from experiences we love. Like an MMO, our game will compel you to explore."


    https://www.gamespot.com/articles/is-destiny-an-mmo-bungie-weighs-in/1100-6416234/


    So there you have it.  Bungie doesnt label it an mmo.  No more need for debate.
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  • TheScavengerTheScavenger Matrix, NYMember RarePosts: 2,165
    Honestly, I could care less what people call it.  I only care what Bungie calls it and they don't think it's an mmo. 

    Bungie's new game Destiny has been given a lot of names. It's been called a "first-person shooter," "shared-world shooter," "action role-playing game," "mythic sci-fi open-world game," and an "MMO," but which is the most accurate?

    Asked as part of the latest Bungie Weekly Update if the studio ever gets tired of people called Destiny an MMO, the developer said it enjoys the constant debate about how to classify the game.



    Bungie:  Do you guys ever get tired of us insisting it's not an MMO? Debate about this game is always fun, and we welcome it," Bungie said. "The ideas that are shaping Destiny come from a lot of different places. We're drawing the best elements from experiences we love. Like an MMO, our game will compel you to explore."


    https://www.gamespot.com/articles/is-destiny-an-mmo-bungie-weighs-in/1100-6416234/


    So there you have it.  Bungie doesnt label it an mmo.  No more need for debate.
    They actually say "Debate about this game is always fun, and we welcome it". They actually never said they didn't think it was an MMO anywhere in your post. They actually said they took ideas from a lot of different places. And like an MMO they let the player explore.

    But nowhere did they actually say "No the people debating that this is an MMO are wrong" or "to clarify, this is NOT an MMO".

    All they said is they like the debate of what Destiny 2 is...probably cause it gets people talking about it. So they don't say in that interview that it isn't an MMO or is. They just said they like people debating about it.
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  • MrMelGibsonMrMelGibson USAMember EpicPosts: 2,238
    Honestly, I could care less what people call it.  I only care what Bungie calls it and they don't think it's an mmo. 

    Bungie's new game Destiny has been given a lot of names. It's been called a "first-person shooter," "shared-world shooter," "action role-playing game," "mythic sci-fi open-world game," and an "MMO," but which is the most accurate?

    Asked as part of the latest Bungie Weekly Update if the studio ever gets tired of people called Destiny an MMO, the developer said it enjoys the constant debate about how to classify the game.



    Bungie:  Do you guys ever get tired of us insisting it's not an MMO? Debate about this game is always fun, and we welcome it," Bungie said. "The ideas that are shaping Destiny come from a lot of different places. We're drawing the best elements from experiences we love. Like an MMO, our game will compel you to explore."


    https://www.gamespot.com/articles/is-destiny-an-mmo-bungie-weighs-in/1100-6416234/


    So there you have it.  Bungie doesnt label it an mmo.  No more need for debate.
    They actually say "Debate about this game is always fun, and we welcome it". They actually never said they didn't think it was an MMO anywhere in your post. They actually said they took ideas from a lot of different places. And like an MMO they let the player explore.

    But nowhere did they actually say "No the people debating that this is an MMO are wrong" or "to clarify, this is NOT an MMO".

    All they said is they like the debate of what Destiny 2 is...probably cause it gets people talking about it. So they don't say in that interview that it isn't an MMO or is. They just said they like people debating about it.
    Lol, the very first sentence says "Do you guys ever get tired of us insisting it's not an mmo " .  That sentence means They are saying it's not an mmo. They say right after that it's fun if people debate it.  Jesus, you just took what you wanted from that and ran with it even though you're wrong.  Taking inspiration and having some similarities from mmos doesn't make it an mmo.  So yes, they did say right there it's not an mmo.  No matter how you wish to spin it. 

    Reading comprehension isn't your strong point I've noticed.  But keep up the good fight.  
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  • kitaradkitarad RomeMember EpicPosts: 3,623
    Popular vote means nothing .
    aliven

  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 10,778
    Leethe said:
    I don't think anyone cares. Let it go.
    People here like to tell what games should be made, how they should be designed, how you should play, how much you should pay for them so it does makes sense they also feel entitled to tell you how you should call them....

    They cannot let go when they lack means to.




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  • IselinIselin Vancouver, BCMember LegendaryPosts: 9,927
    Gdemami said:
    Leethe said:
    I don't think anyone cares. Let it go.
    People here like to tell what games should be made, how they should be designed, how you should play, how much you should pay for them so it does makes sense they also feel entitled to tell you how you should call them....

    They cannot let go when they lack means to.





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  • TheScavengerTheScavenger Matrix, NYMember RarePosts: 2,165
    Honestly, I could care less what people call it.  I only care what Bungie calls it and they don't think it's an mmo. 

    Bungie's new game Destiny has been given a lot of names. It's been called a "first-person shooter," "shared-world shooter," "action role-playing game," "mythic sci-fi open-world game," and an "MMO," but which is the most accurate?

    Asked as part of the latest Bungie Weekly Update if the studio ever gets tired of people called Destiny an MMO, the developer said it enjoys the constant debate about how to classify the game.



    Bungie:  Do you guys ever get tired of us insisting it's not an MMO? Debate about this game is always fun, and we welcome it," Bungie said. "The ideas that are shaping Destiny come from a lot of different places. We're drawing the best elements from experiences we love. Like an MMO, our game will compel you to explore."


    https://www.gamespot.com/articles/is-destiny-an-mmo-bungie-weighs-in/1100-6416234/


    So there you have it.  Bungie doesnt label it an mmo.  No more need for debate.
    They actually say "Debate about this game is always fun, and we welcome it". They actually never said they didn't think it was an MMO anywhere in your post. They actually said they took ideas from a lot of different places. And like an MMO they let the player explore.

    But nowhere did they actually say "No the people debating that this is an MMO are wrong" or "to clarify, this is NOT an MMO".

    All they said is they like the debate of what Destiny 2 is...probably cause it gets people talking about it. So they don't say in that interview that it isn't an MMO or is. They just said they like people debating about it.
    Lol, the very first sentence says "Do you guys ever get tired of us insisting it's not an mmo " .  That sentence means They are saying it's not an mmo. They say right after that it's fun if people debate it.  Jesus, you just took what you wanted from that and ran with it even though you're wrong.  Taking inspiration and having some similarities from mmos doesn't make it an mmo.  So yes, they did say right there it's not an mmo.  No matter how you wish to spin it. 

    Reading comprehension isn't your strong point I've noticed.  But keep up the good fight.  
    So I can make a game, lets say a Witcher 3 style game with 16 people and call it an MMO...since I'm the developer, I am right in calling it an MMO and means I would be correct since I said it and made the game. That would then automatically make it an MMO in your world because I, as a developer/maker of the game say its an MMO.

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  • PhryPhry OxfordshireMember EpicPosts: 8,889
    It isn't an MMO but hopefully it will be a decent Cooperative Online FPS, as long as you ignore all the dlc at least, which i plan to. :p
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  • MrMelGibsonMrMelGibson USAMember EpicPosts: 2,238
    Honestly, I could care less what people call it.  I only care what Bungie calls it and they don't think it's an mmo. 

    Bungie's new game Destiny has been given a lot of names. It's been called a "first-person shooter," "shared-world shooter," "action role-playing game," "mythic sci-fi open-world game," and an "MMO," but which is the most accurate?

    Asked as part of the latest Bungie Weekly Update if the studio ever gets tired of people called Destiny an MMO, the developer said it enjoys the constant debate about how to classify the game.



    Bungie:  Do you guys ever get tired of us insisting it's not an MMO? Debate about this game is always fun, and we welcome it," Bungie said. "The ideas that are shaping Destiny come from a lot of different places. We're drawing the best elements from experiences we love. Like an MMO, our game will compel you to explore."


    https://www.gamespot.com/articles/is-destiny-an-mmo-bungie-weighs-in/1100-6416234/


    So there you have it.  Bungie doesnt label it an mmo.  No more need for debate.
    They actually say "Debate about this game is always fun, and we welcome it". They actually never said they didn't think it was an MMO anywhere in your post. They actually said they took ideas from a lot of different places. And like an MMO they let the player explore.

    But nowhere did they actually say "No the people debating that this is an MMO are wrong" or "to clarify, this is NOT an MMO".

    All they said is they like the debate of what Destiny 2 is...probably cause it gets people talking about it. So they don't say in that interview that it isn't an MMO or is. They just said they like people debating about it.
    Lol, the very first sentence says "Do you guys ever get tired of us insisting it's not an mmo " .  That sentence means They are saying it's not an mmo. They say right after that it's fun if people debate it.  Jesus, you just took what you wanted from that and ran with it even though you're wrong.  Taking inspiration and having some similarities from mmos doesn't make it an mmo.  So yes, they did say right there it's not an mmo.  No matter how you wish to spin it. 

    Reading comprehension isn't your strong point I've noticed.  But keep up the good fight.  
    So I can make a game, lets say a Witcher 3 style game with 16 people and call it an MMO...since I'm the developer, I am right in calling it an MMO and means I would be correct since I said it and made the game. That would then automatically make it an MMO in your world because I, as a developer/maker of the game say its an MMO.

    They just confirmed what people already knew.  If you developed the game you mentioned and called it an mmo than you would be a liar.  Hope that clears it up.
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  • TheScavengerTheScavenger Matrix, NYMember RarePosts: 2,165
    edited September 28
    Honestly, I could care less what people call it.  I only care what Bungie calls it and they don't think it's an mmo. 

    Bungie's new game Destiny has been given a lot of names. It's been called a "first-person shooter," "shared-world shooter," "action role-playing game," "mythic sci-fi open-world game," and an "MMO," but which is the most accurate?

    Asked as part of the latest Bungie Weekly Update if the studio ever gets tired of people called Destiny an MMO, the developer said it enjoys the constant debate about how to classify the game.



    Bungie:  Do you guys ever get tired of us insisting it's not an MMO? Debate about this game is always fun, and we welcome it," Bungie said. "The ideas that are shaping Destiny come from a lot of different places. We're drawing the best elements from experiences we love. Like an MMO, our game will compel you to explore."


    https://www.gamespot.com/articles/is-destiny-an-mmo-bungie-weighs-in/1100-6416234/


    So there you have it.  Bungie doesnt label it an mmo.  No more need for debate.
    They actually say "Debate about this game is always fun, and we welcome it". They actually never said they didn't think it was an MMO anywhere in your post. They actually said they took ideas from a lot of different places. And like an MMO they let the player explore.

    But nowhere did they actually say "No the people debating that this is an MMO are wrong" or "to clarify, this is NOT an MMO".

    All they said is they like the debate of what Destiny 2 is...probably cause it gets people talking about it. So they don't say in that interview that it isn't an MMO or is. They just said they like people debating about it.
    Lol, the very first sentence says "Do you guys ever get tired of us insisting it's not an mmo " .  That sentence means They are saying it's not an mmo. They say right after that it's fun if people debate it.  Jesus, you just took what you wanted from that and ran with it even though you're wrong.  Taking inspiration and having some similarities from mmos doesn't make it an mmo.  So yes, they did say right there it's not an mmo.  No matter how you wish to spin it. 

    Reading comprehension isn't your strong point I've noticed.  But keep up the good fight.  
    So I can make a game, lets say a Witcher 3 style game with 16 people and call it an MMO...since I'm the developer, I am right in calling it an MMO and means I would be correct since I said it and made the game. That would then automatically make it an MMO in your world because I, as a developer/maker of the game say its an MMO.

    They just confirmed what people already knew.  If you developed the game you mentioned and called it an mmo than you would be a liar.  Hope that clears it up.
    So because you agree with the devs in this case, they aren't liars? But if you disagree with a developer that says one thing, that makes them liars?

    Doesn't work that way.

    Even massively and mmorpg.com call Destiny 2 an MMO shooter/MMOFPS
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  • MrMelGibsonMrMelGibson USAMember EpicPosts: 2,238
    edited September 28
    Honestly, I could care less what people call it.  I only care what Bungie calls it and they don't think it's an mmo. 

    Bungie's new game Destiny has been given a lot of names. It's been called a "first-person shooter," "shared-world shooter," "action role-playing game," "mythic sci-fi open-world game," and an "MMO," but which is the most accurate?

    Asked as part of the latest Bungie Weekly Update if the studio ever gets tired of people called Destiny an MMO, the developer said it enjoys the constant debate about how to classify the game.



    Bungie:  Do you guys ever get tired of us insisting it's not an MMO? Debate about this game is always fun, and we welcome it," Bungie said. "The ideas that are shaping Destiny come from a lot of different places. We're drawing the best elements from experiences we love. Like an MMO, our game will compel you to explore."


    https://www.gamespot.com/articles/is-destiny-an-mmo-bungie-weighs-in/1100-6416234/


    So there you have it.  Bungie doesnt label it an mmo.  No more need for debate.
    They actually say "Debate about this game is always fun, and we welcome it". They actually never said they didn't think it was an MMO anywhere in your post. They actually said they took ideas from a lot of different places. And like an MMO they let the player explore.

    But nowhere did they actually say "No the people debating that this is an MMO are wrong" or "to clarify, this is NOT an MMO".

    All they said is they like the debate of what Destiny 2 is...probably cause it gets people talking about it. So they don't say in that interview that it isn't an MMO or is. They just said they like people debating about it.
    Lol, the very first sentence says "Do you guys ever get tired of us insisting it's not an mmo " .  That sentence means They are saying it's not an mmo. They say right after that it's fun if people debate it.  Jesus, you just took what you wanted from that and ran with it even though you're wrong.  Taking inspiration and having some similarities from mmos doesn't make it an mmo.  So yes, they did say right there it's not an mmo.  No matter how you wish to spin it. 

    Reading comprehension isn't your strong point I've noticed.  But keep up the good fight.  
    So I can make a game, lets say a Witcher 3 style game with 16 people and call it an MMO...since I'm the developer, I am right in calling it an MMO and means I would be correct since I said it and made the game. That would then automatically make it an MMO in your world because I, as a developer/maker of the game say its an MMO.

    They just confirmed what people already knew.  If you developed the game you mentioned and called it an mmo than you would be a liar.  Hope that clears it up.
    So because you agree with the devs in this case, they aren't liars? But if you disagree with a developer that says one thing, that makes them liars?

    Doesn't work that way.

    Even massively and mmorpg.com call Destiny 2 an MMO shooter/MMOFPS
    It doesn't matter what information I provide.  You'll counter it with your opinion every time.  Did you ever consider that you may not be right?  84% of people on this forum alone disagree?  Tell me what makes it an mmo?  What facts can you provide to establish your point since the developer of the game is clueless and you know best.


    For the record, if bungle said it's an mmo they would also be wrong.  But they obviously know better.
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  • alivenaliven SzczytnoMember UncommonPosts: 265
    Honestly, I could care less what people call it.  I only care what Bungie calls it and they don't think it's an mmo. 

    Bungie's new game Destiny has been given a lot of names. It's been called a "first-person shooter," "shared-world shooter," "action role-playing game," "mythic sci-fi open-world game," and an "MMO," but which is the most accurate?

    Asked as part of the latest Bungie Weekly Update if the studio ever gets tired of people called Destiny an MMO, the developer said it enjoys the constant debate about how to classify the game.



    Bungie:  Do you guys ever get tired of us insisting it's not an MMO? Debate about this game is always fun, and we welcome it," Bungie said. "The ideas that are shaping Destiny come from a lot of different places. We're drawing the best elements from experiences we love. Like an MMO, our game will compel you to explore."


    https://www.gamespot.com/articles/is-destiny-an-mmo-bungie-weighs-in/1100-6416234/


    So there you have it.  Bungie doesnt label it an mmo.  No more need for debate.
    They actually say "Debate about this game is always fun, and we welcome it". They actually never said they didn't think it was an MMO anywhere in your post. They actually said they took ideas from a lot of different places. And like an MMO they let the player explore.

    But nowhere did they actually say "No the people debating that this is an MMO are wrong" or "to clarify, this is NOT an MMO".

    All they said is they like the debate of what Destiny 2 is...probably cause it gets people talking about it. So they don't say in that interview that it isn't an MMO or is. They just said they like people debating about it.
    Lol, the very first sentence says "Do you guys ever get tired of us insisting it's not an mmo " .  That sentence means They are saying it's not an mmo. They say right after that it's fun if people debate it.  Jesus, you just took what you wanted from that and ran with it even though you're wrong.  Taking inspiration and having some similarities from mmos doesn't make it an mmo.  So yes, they did say right there it's not an mmo.  No matter how you wish to spin it. 

    Reading comprehension isn't your strong point I've noticed.  But keep up the good fight.  
    So I can make a game, lets say a Witcher 3 style game with 16 people and call it an MMO...since I'm the developer, I am right in calling it an MMO and means I would be correct since I said it and made the game. That would then automatically make it an MMO in your world because I, as a developer/maker of the game say its an MMO.

    They just confirmed what people already knew.  If you developed the game you mentioned and called it an mmo than you would be a liar.  Hope that clears it up.
    So because you agree with the devs in this case, they aren't liars? But if you disagree with a developer that says one thing, that makes them liars?

    Doesn't work that way.

    Even massively and mmorpg.com call Destiny 2 an MMO shooter/MMOFPS
    It doesn't matter what information I provide.  You'll counter it with your opinion every time.  Did you ever consider that you may not be right?  84% of people on this forum alone disagree?  Tell me what makes it an mmo?  What facts can you provide to establish your point since the developer of the game is clueless and you know best.


    For the record, if bungle said it's an mmo they would also be wrong.  But they obviously know better.
    For somebody who dont care about what people call it you seems to be very upset when people name it in the way you disagree. Maybe let it go?
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