Does Star Citizen deserve its hate?

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  • gir243gir243 Member UncommonPosts: 45
    Erillion said:
    Kyleran said:
    Link to your kill board please?

    ;)
    Sorry.

    I learned my lesson in other games not to give out in-game names on discussion forums  ;-)



    Have fun
    I was more interested in the 64fps in the PU and how many other players were around.
  • g0m0rrahg0m0rrah indianapolis, INMember UncommonPosts: 325
    I'm sure my 2 year old will be in high school by the time this game releases. Hmmm maybe it will be in early access by then yet charge for an expansion... 
  • ErillionErillion Member EpicPosts: 7,953
    gir243 said:
    I was more interested in the 64fps in the PU and how many other players were around.

    The moment i was referring to was a 2 vs 3 dogfight. Mostly Sabres.

    Numbers were changing constantly as some joined the fight and others were shot down. About a dozen ships in total.

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    Have fun

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  • Octagon7711Octagon7711 Chicago, ILMember EpicPosts: 5,695
    I like the idea of the game but the way they do things seem usual to me and I've followed a lot of MMO's over the years.  It's not a black or white thing to me.  No game is 100% good or bad, but somewhere in the middle.  How far to the left or right it appears, boils down to personal assessments it seems.

    "Change is the only constant."

  • TheScavengerTheScavenger Matrix, NYMember RarePosts: 2,145
    edited September 16
    Don't see what the issue is with a game taking a long game to release. Never hear anyone complaining about Cyberpunk 2077 taking ages to release. The only difference is CD Project says very very little about cyberpunk, and only occasionally says something to let people know the game is still alive.
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  • KefoKefo London, ONMember EpicPosts: 3,011
    Erillion said:
    >>> Why the hell would anyone want to throw money at him at this point in the game when you can easily see he's repeating the same mistakes? >>>

    Because they may trust him more than you ?


    Have fun
    What you just said makes no sense since I wasn't asking people to trust me. Nice attempt at a strawman though
  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Nashville, TNMember EpicPosts: 2,360
    edited September 16
    Don't see what the issue is with a game taking a long game to release. Never hear anyone complaining about Cyberpunk 2077 taking ages to release. The only difference is CD Project says very very little about cyberpunk, and only occasionally says something to let people know the game is still alive.
    No. The difference between, say, CD Projekt Red and Blizzard taking their sweet time and delaying their release and CIG doing the same, is that Blizzard and CD Projekt Red are using industry standard means of funding and, as a studio, have successfully released multiple quality titles.
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  • KefoKefo London, ONMember EpicPosts: 3,011
    Don't see what the issue is with a game taking a long game to release. Never hear anyone complaining about Cyberpunk 2077 taking ages to release. The only difference is CD Project says very very little about cyberpunk, and only occasionally says something to let people know the game is still alive.
    No. The difference between, say, CD Projekt Red and Blizzard taking their sweet time and delaying their release, is that Blizzard and CD Projekt Red are using industry standard means of funding and, as a studio, have successfully released multiple quality titles.
    Agreed. There wouldn't be as much criticism of CIG if they had deivered quality games already and proven that being patient results in a high quality game. 

    As as it stands right now they haven't delivered any completed product, have taken a crapton of backer money and so far their results are mediocre at best if you take away the "ooh shiny graphics!"
  • FrodoFraginsFrodoFragins Manchester, NHMember RarePosts: 3,667
    Kefo said:
    It's been 5 years and there are legit concerns regarding whether they'll ever get the engine to do what they promised.  There are also legit fears about whether they'll have enough money to complete it if they iron those issues out. 

    At this point, every month that goes by without it being delivered makes it look worse.

    SC is likely hurting other crowd funding projects based on how poorly its been managed and how sleezy CR is.

    Why make it?  This is human nature when spending other peoples money.  If there exists a large group of people who are more than willing to throw what appears to be a never ending barrage of cash at you to develop a game with few, if any, questions asked why would anyone in their right mind make completing the game a priority?
    The better question would be give  CR's past history with running his own game studio

    why the hell would anyone want to throw money at him at this point in the game when you can easily see he's repeating the same mistakes?
    He clearly found a niche waiting to be filled and some massive whales.  It's turning into a cult at this point.
  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Boca Raton, FLMember EpicPosts: 7,181
    Kefo said:
    It's been 5 years and there are legit concerns regarding whether they'll ever get the engine to do what they promised.  There are also legit fears about whether they'll have enough money to complete it if they iron those issues out. 

    At this point, every month that goes by without it being delivered makes it look worse.

    SC is likely hurting other crowd funding projects based on how poorly its been managed and how sleezy CR is.

    Why make it?  This is human nature when spending other peoples money.  If there exists a large group of people who are more than willing to throw what appears to be a never ending barrage of cash at you to develop a game with few, if any, questions asked why would anyone in their right mind make completing the game a priority?
    The better question would be give  CR's past history with running his own game studio

    why the hell would anyone want to throw money at him at this point in the game when you can easily see he's repeating the same mistakes?
    He clearly found a niche waiting to be filled and some massive whales.  It's turning into a cult at this point.
    The cult designation can be ascribed to most game communities.  Especially those unreleased ones.  Folks tie their self-worth to a game's success...  SC is not unique in that aspect.

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  • frostymugfrostymug Galveston, TXMember UncommonPosts: 343
    g0m0rrah said:
    I'm sure my 2 year old will be in high school by the time this game releases. Hmmm maybe it will be in early access by then yet charge for an expansion... 
    After you drop them off at school you can put your spaceship on autopilot and sneak in some Star Citizen beta time on your way to work on the moon.
  • kikoodutroa8kikoodutroa8 grenobleMember UncommonPosts: 315
    All the haters obviously don't understand game development but also don't realise SC is the game that's going to save pc gaming from consoles.
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  • maybebakedmaybebaked Member UncommonPosts: 305
    Derek Smart makes some of the worst games ever.  He is the last person I would trust when deciding whether to spend money on a game or not.  All he is doing is riding the coattails of Star Citizen to get attention for himself.
  • Octagon7711Octagon7711 Chicago, ILMember EpicPosts: 5,695
    Don't see what the issue is with a game taking a long game to release. Never hear anyone complaining about Cyberpunk 2077 taking ages to release. The only difference is CD Project says very very little about cyberpunk, and only occasionally says something to let people know the game is still alive.
    I think crowdfunding might be a greater difference.  How many fans of Cyberpunk have put money into the game so far?
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  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Nashville, TNMember EpicPosts: 2,360
    edited September 16
    Don't see what the issue is with a game taking a long game to release. Never hear anyone complaining about Cyberpunk 2077 taking ages to release. The only difference is CD Project says very very little about cyberpunk, and only occasionally says something to let people know the game is still alive.
    I think crowdfunding might be a greater difference.  How many fans of Cyberpunk have put money into the game so far?
    The difference there is night and day.  Even attempting to compare the two smacks of fanboying.
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  • lancerxxlancerxx Phoenix, AZMember UncommonPosts: 31
    All the haters obviously don't understand game development but also don't realise SC is the game that's going to save pc gaming from consoles.
    That last part of your quote seems very dubious to me.
  • TheScavengerTheScavenger Matrix, NYMember RarePosts: 2,145
    edited September 16
    Yeah, I agree with all you guys that the game is pretty suspicious
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  • Quizar1973Quizar1973 Harold, KYMember UncommonPosts: 104
    WTF????   LOL
    lancerxx
  • TheScavengerTheScavenger Matrix, NYMember RarePosts: 2,145
    OP:  This MMO has the most anti-SC agenda of any pre-released MMO

    100% correct and indisputable!

    No other MMO has more anti-Star Citizen stuff than Star Citizen!!
    yes, I said the most anti-SC agenda. That is because no other MMO is SC, so it can't be hated by those who hate star citizen
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  • PhaserlightPhaserlight Boca Raton, FLMember RarePosts: 2,148
    Kefo said:
    It's been 5 years and there are legit concerns regarding whether they'll ever get the engine to do what they promised.  There are also legit fears about whether they'll have enough money to complete it if they iron those issues out. 

    At this point, every month that goes by without it being delivered makes it look worse.

    SC is likely hurting other crowd funding projects based on how poorly its been managed and how sleezy CR is.

    Why make it?  This is human nature when spending other peoples money.  If there exists a large group of people who are more than willing to throw what appears to be a never ending barrage of cash at you to develop a game with few, if any, questions asked why would anyone in their right mind make completing the game a priority?
    The better question would be give  CR's past history with running his own game studio

    why the hell would anyone want to throw money at him at this point in the game when you can easily see he's repeating the same mistakes?
    He clearly found a niche waiting to be filled and some massive whales.  It's turning into a cult at this point.
    The cult designation can be ascribed to most game communities.  Especially those unreleased ones.  Folks tie their self-worth to a game's success...  SC is not unique in that aspect.

    However, in SC's case, some may have their literal worth tied to the game's success.

    SC wasn't the first to do it, but certainly the first on such a scale.  $45,000 personal, out of pocket on a video game is unfathomable to me. $18,000 out of pocket on a video game is crazy to me, too.  Doubly so that it doesn't even exist, yet (outside a few demos).  That's a helluva lot of trust. 

    Other video games may have a cult following, but dare I say SC has developed a cult of personality surrounding Chris Roberts; it seems like there is a tacit agreement among the SC elite to basically ignore any video game not made by him.

    That's my impression from wandering around various internet forums and article comment sections, anyway.  In real life I've not heard one person mention "Star Citizen", ever. 
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    MMO?
  • TheScavengerTheScavenger Matrix, NYMember RarePosts: 2,145
    edited September 16
    Phaserlight said:
    Kefo said:
    It's been 5 years and there are legit concerns regarding whether they'll ever get the engine to do what they promised.  There are also legit fears about whether they'll have enough money to complete it if they iron those issues out. 

    At this point, every month that goes by without it being delivered makes it look worse.

    SC is likely hurting other crowd funding projects based on how poorly its been managed and how sleezy CR is.

    Why make it?  This is human nature when spending other peoples money.  If there exists a large group of people who are more than willing to throw what appears to be a never ending barrage of cash at you to develop a game with few, if any, questions asked why would anyone in their right mind make completing the game a priority?
    The better question would be give  CR's past history with running his own game studio

    why the hell would anyone want to throw money at him at this point in the game when you can easily see he's repeating the same mistakes?
    He clearly found a niche waiting to be filled and some massive whales.  It's turning into a cult at this point.
    The cult designation can be ascribed to most game communities.  Especially those unreleased ones.  Folks tie their self-worth to a game's success...  SC is not unique in that aspect.

    However, in SC's case, some may have their literal worth tied to the game's success.

    SC wasn't the first to do it, but certainly the first on such a scale.  $45,000 personal, out of pocket on a video game is unfathomable to me. $18,000 out of pocket on a video game is crazy to me, too.  Doubly so that it doesn't even exist, yet (outside a few demos).  That's a helluva lot of trust. 

    Other video games may have a cult following, but dare I say SC has developed a cult of personality surrounding Chris Roberts; it seems like there is a tacit agreement among the SC elite to basically ignore any video game not made by him.

    That's my impression from wandering around various internet forums and article comment sections, anyway.  In real life I've not heard one person mention "Star Citizen", ever. 
    Likewise, SC has developed a loud niche group of Derek Fans who want to see SC fail so derek smart can swoop in and make cash from it...or...even if it doesn't make him rich...he'll definitely be internet "famous" and able to brag about how right he was all along.

    I'm a derek smart fan myself, because I think he has uncovered a lot of truth about the game. But I wouldn't play his games still.
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  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Nashville, TNMember EpicPosts: 2,360
    edited September 16
    lancerxx said:
    All the haters obviously don't understand game development but also don't realise SC is the game that's going to save pc gaming from consoles.
    That last part of your quote seems very dubious to me.
    Was he being sincere?  I took it as a sarcastic post.
    Post edited by MadFrenchie on
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  • PhaserlightPhaserlight Boca Raton, FLMember RarePosts: 2,148
    Phaserlight said:
    Kefo said:
    It's been 5 years and there are legit concerns regarding whether they'll ever get the engine to do what they promised.  There are also legit fears about whether they'll have enough money to complete it if they iron those issues out. 

    At this point, every month that goes by without it being delivered makes it look worse.

    SC is likely hurting other crowd funding projects based on how poorly its been managed and how sleezy CR is.

    Why make it?  This is human nature when spending other peoples money.  If there exists a large group of people who are more than willing to throw what appears to be a never ending barrage of cash at you to develop a game with few, if any, questions asked why would anyone in their right mind make completing the game a priority?
    The better question would be give  CR's past history with running his own game studio

    why the hell would anyone want to throw money at him at this point in the game when you can easily see he's repeating the same mistakes?
    He clearly found a niche waiting to be filled and some massive whales.  It's turning into a cult at this point.
    The cult designation can be ascribed to most game communities.  Especially those unreleased ones.  Folks tie their self-worth to a game's success...  SC is not unique in that aspect.

    However, in SC's case, some may have their literal worth tied to the game's success.

    SC wasn't the first to do it, but certainly the first on such a scale.  $45,000 personal, out of pocket on a video game is unfathomable to me. $18,000 out of pocket on a video game is crazy to me, too.  Doubly so that it doesn't even exist, yet (outside a few demos).  That's a helluva lot of trust. 

    Other video games may have a cult following, but dare I say SC has developed a cult of personality surrounding Chris Roberts; it seems like there is a tacit agreement among the SC elite to basically ignore any video game not made by him.

    That's my impression from wandering around various internet forums and article comment sections, anyway.  In real life I've not heard one person mention "Star Citizen", ever. 
    Likewise, SC has developed a loud niche group of Derek Fans who want to see SC fail so derek smart can swoop in and make cash from it...or...even if it doesn't make him rich...he'll definitely be internet "famous" and able to brag about how right he was all along.
    Well, that's certainly sad if it's true. 

    I tend to view Derek Smart as just another deity in SC's pantheon to the cultists; a usefully antagonistic one.  Nothing quite like a common enemy to bring folks together.

    Truth is he is someone I'd not heard of prior to SC, who claims to hold multiple PhDs, that stumbled on what he thinks is the gaming "scoop" of the decade.  That's about as far as it goes, with me. 

    I've tried multiple times to bow out of the various SC debates for good (until they have a tangible finished product) but it's hard to avoid online given my interests. The internet is abuzz. 

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  • TheScavengerTheScavenger Matrix, NYMember RarePosts: 2,145
    I have since edited the thread, since I discovered information and the information relayed in this thread about what is really going on behind the scenes of Star Citizen. You can see my explanation here

    http://forums.mmorpg.com/discussion/468215/why-derek-smart-is-right-about-star-citizen-his-facts-and-why-sc-is-likely-to-fail#latest

    I wanted to defend Star Citizen because for one, didn't want my 50 dollars wasted, two I legit really like the ideas behind it. But after reading so much about what Derek Smart has uncovered, and the people in this thread giving me info, I can't defend star citizen any longer and am no longer a fan of the game
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