Will there ever be a Science Fiction MMO with the popularity of WoW?

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Title. It hasn't happened yet. Most commercial Scoence Fiction MMOs have been a disaster.
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  • Loke666Loke666 KalmarMember EpicPosts: 20,904
    Ever is a long time so it is impossible to tell, particularly if you use a broad definition of the term "MMO".

    In the near future is very unlikely though.

    Science fiction is also a rather broad term, Shadowrun and Star wars are pretty far from eachother. Something Shadowrun like with the right game mechanics certainly have the potential to become huge.

    Space opera or space exploration game is harder then fantasy Cyberpunk though but still not impossible, particularly with a strong IP.

    So who can tell?
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  • SovrathSovrath Boston Area, MAMember LegendaryPosts: 23,041
    In the near"ish" future? Not at all.

    But as Loke said, "ever" is a long time. Who knows down the pike what will happen.

    Unless of course you consider Star citizen an MMO (I don't really think that's what it's going for but I'm not an expert on the game) in which case that seems to be the largest "science fictiony" game in development that I know of.
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  • WarWitchWarWitch charlotte, NCMember UncommonPosts: 144
    Dune could do it, if it was done right. Ships fighting, harvesting, new class and  skills. Wish somone would make it so.
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  • Loke666Loke666 KalmarMember EpicPosts: 20,904
    WarWitch said:
    Dune could do it, if it was done right. Ships fighting, harvesting, new class and  skills. Wish somone would make it so.
    Oh, yes. Dune certainly is a good and popular enough IP to pull it off (unless they base it on the later books, they sucked).
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  • natpicknatpick stockton/ u.kMember UncommonPosts: 202
    you guys not played wow lately? lol it has space ships and lasers and planets that teleport to other systems,but seriously it would be awsome to have a really popular scifi mmo.
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  • ConstantineMerusConstantineMerus LondonMember RarePosts: 1,255
    Loke666 said:
    WarWitch said:
    Dune could do it, if it was done right. Ships fighting, harvesting, new class and  skills. Wish somone would make it so.
    Oh, yes. Dune certainly is a good and popular enough IP to pull it off (unless they base it on the later books, they sucked).
    Not sure if the younger generation knows Dune at all. Yeah I loved the movie, played the RTS on my Amiga. But nothing after that. That's a lifetime I guess. 

    If I would want to pick a popular IP for a sci-fi MMORPG then I would go for Guardians of the Galaxy or Avatar. 
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  • Azaron_NightbladeAzaron_Nightblade KingsmouthMember EpicPosts: 4,268
    Battlestar Galactica would be another nice setting. As for the question though... I'd have to go with "not anytime soon at best". Even other Fantasy MMOs have never reached WoW levels of success.

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  • ConstantineMerusConstantineMerus LondonMember RarePosts: 1,255
    Battlestar Galactica would be another nice setting. As for the question though... I'd have to go with "not anytime soon at best". Even other Fantasy MMOs have never reached WoW levels of success.
    Oh I like that. I remember a Firefly MMO was in the works, what happened to that?
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  • KnightFalzKnightFalz Member UncommonPosts: 250
    edited September 11
    Likely not. The circumstances that led to that dominance won't come about again. Even WoW can no longer duplicate the popularity it once had.
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  • AsheramAsheram Member RarePosts: 2,635
    If only Stargate Worlds or Stargate Resistance went somewhere good.
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  • lahnmirlahnmir UtrechtMember RarePosts: 924
    There aren't that much big sci-fi names around anymore. Dune would indeed be one but I think very few of the younger crowd even know it. 

    The only famous one I can think of right now is the Halo series, they could turn that into an MMO. But it would probably turn out to be a lobby shooter with a small social space set in a different universe altogether. And it would be console only since thats where it originated, and only wih part 2 would they choose to support the PC platform. It would have a maximum of 3 classes and be light on content which would only be added through expensive expansions. Ohhh, wait......

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    Ashes OF Creation, or Crow Fall?
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  • Azaron_NightbladeAzaron_Nightblade KingsmouthMember EpicPosts: 4,268
    Battlestar Galactica would be another nice setting. As for the question though... I'd have to go with "not anytime soon at best". Even other Fantasy MMOs have never reached WoW levels of success.
    Oh I like that. I remember a Firefly MMO was in the works, what happened to that?
    The Firefly game seems to dead in the water. No updates in ages, and last time I tried visiting their official site, I got warnings from my anti-virus program =/
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  • klash2defklash2def Member RarePosts: 852
    Loke666 said:
    WarWitch said:
    Dune could do it, if it was done right. Ships fighting, harvesting, new class and  skills. Wish somone would make it so.
    Oh, yes. Dune certainly is a good and popular enough IP to pull it off (unless they base it on the later books, they sucked).
    haha Dune would be sick.. Todd Howard admitted using Dune as an early inspiration for the Fallout Series when he took over the IP
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  • ConstantineMerusConstantineMerus LondonMember RarePosts: 1,255
    I can totally see myself playing a survival in the Terminator universe, post Judgment Day. Weheee goosebumps. 
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  • EldurianEldurian Member EpicPosts: 1,848
    I don't really make the prediction anything will be "As popular as WoW" "A WoW Killer" etc. As someone who absofreakinglutely cannot stand rehashes of WoW, EVE has already been on of the major stand out titles of the genre for a very long time.

    I'd also note Star Citizen has alien races which I think qualifies it as Sci-Fi. It's popularity could end up anywhere between total flop to next big thing. I think when you consider what they already have playable internally (And how close that is to what I'm already able to to test on my end) that it seriously has potential to become a genre defining title. 

    Honestly I have more trouble finding good fantasy titles than good sci-fi ones. I mean, afterall, popular doesn't always mean good.
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  • Jean-Luc_PicardJean-Luc_Picard La BarreMember EpicPosts: 6,588
    edited September 11
    Title. It hasn't happened yet. Most commercial Scoence Fiction MMOs have been a disaster.
    Anarchy Online had a bad start, but recovered quite nicely and was a great game at its prime, with a good population.
    And you can't really call "Star Wars: The Old Republic" a disaster... even though it went free to play, it has a solid player base now and keeps on releasing content and expansions.
    EvE is a SciFi game too, and also has a solid player base.

    I don't see any MMORPG (not just SciFi) being as successful as WoW ever again. But there are good SciFi games out there to play.
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  • Jean-Luc_PicardJean-Luc_Picard La BarreMember EpicPosts: 6,588
    Loke666 said:
    WarWitch said:
    Dune could do it, if it was done right. Ships fighting, harvesting, new class and  skills. Wish somone would make it so.
    Oh, yes. Dune certainly is a good and popular enough IP to pull it off (unless they base it on the later books, they sucked).
    The problem with a Dune MMORPG would be balancing. Everyone would want to play a Fremen...
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  • cameltosiscameltosis ipswichMember EpicPosts: 1,639
    If you mean popularity as in peak player base (12m subscribers), yes, I believe that will happen at some point. If you popularity as in market share, then no. 

    I believe we already have the technology and the design experience to create a game that could match the numbers of WoW. It would be tough, as we'd be fighting against deeply ingrained design paradigms that WoW has taught us, but if anything is going to equal WoWs numbers in the future, it is going to be very different to WoW's features. 


    I also don't think the market conditions are as important as people make out. I mean, look at what WoW was working with at the time. There are only two important factors in terms of the market: first, the market was expanding rapidly due to the uptake of broadband. Second, the competition was weak.

    It's not that different to now.  Sure, the market is not expanding rapidly, but it's not as if it's shrunk. It has kept expanding so in fact the total market is much larger now that it was when WoW peaked. Then look at the competition. What have you really got to be worried about?!?! Virtually everything on the market is a themepark following the WoW formula. Most are high fantasy, most are mediocre. There are a few hybrids / sandboxes. Then a load of indies in development. 

    The competition, quite frankly, is shit. 


    So, there already exists a massive opportunity and a large enough market to generate a new WoW. The technology also already exists to give us a game that can support being the next WoW. It can happen, and it can happen now. It won't, because it will require a big departure from existing paradigms and investors are unwilling to spend the required money on a risk, but it could happen. 



    In terms of IP? That's a real tough one for Sci-Fi. You need something relatively gender and age neutral in order to appeal to a wide market, but Sci-Fi is pretty male dominated and still fairly fringe. Star Wars could do it, but is probably a bit past it now and runs the risk of audience fatigue. Star Trek and Star Gate are too male dominated. Firefly, whilst an amazing series with an awesome cult following, never gained the mainstream traction needed. If the Matrix gets a reboot, especially if they have a female lead, that could be a good one to pick. But beyond that? I think sci-fi is probably just too male dominated for now. 
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  • lahnmirlahnmir UtrechtMember RarePosts: 924
    edited September 11
     But beyond that? I think sci-fi is probably just too male dominated for now. 
    Hmm, how about an Aliens/Prometheus MMO? I was instantly thinking of Sigourny Weaver when I read your last line. It could be a strong PVE MMO where humans/robots fight the Aliens and their subspecies on different planets. Getting a bit of a Starcrafts Zerg meets Tabula Rasa vibe here. I think it could be pretty cool. Your home is your ship, different zones are different planets etc. Sign me up!

    /Cheers,
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  • HarikenHariken Brighton, MAMember RarePosts: 1,712
    Neocron,Anarchy Online and Earth & Beyond were all great SiFi mmo's in there time. But i would love to see a modern version of any of these games and i don't mean graphics. I hope we get i SiFi mmo one day that has mass appeal. I just don't see it anytime soon.
  • cameltosiscameltosis ipswichMember EpicPosts: 1,639
    lahnmir said:
     But beyond that? I think sci-fi is probably just too male dominated for now. 
    Hmm, how about an Aliens/Prometheus MMO? I was instantly thinking of Sigourny Weaver when I read your last line. It could be a strong PVE MMO where humans/robots fight the Aliens and their subspecies on different planets. Getting a bit of a Starcrafts Zerg meets Tabula Rasa vibe here. I think it could be pretty cool. Your home is your ship, different zones are different planets etc. Sign me up!

    /Cheers,
    Lahnmir
    Whilst I enjoy the alien's franchise and it's strong female leads, I'm not certain the franchise as a whole has a particularly large female following. 

    I just kinda feel that the majority of popular sci-fi is just concerned with male stuff. Loads of technology. Weird aliens to kill. Cool guns, cars and planes etc. Wars to fight, poor people to stomp in the political arena. 


    With fantasy, there is more cross-gender appeal. There always seems to be some fancy ball to attend whilst wearing fancy jewellery and gowns, which appeals to people who enjoy period dramas. There are always races concerned with peace and love (bloody elves) which they can more readily identify with. The worlds inhabited in fantasy settings are usually still pretty close to nature, rather than concrete jungles. 


    I know this probably comes off as extremely sexist for which I apologise. I play a female-dominated sport (roller derby) and I've been involved in MMOs for ages, so I know a lot of female gamers. Whilst a few have been great raiders or pvpers, the overwhelming majority just couldn't seem to give a shit about mechanics. They care about cosmetics. And cute NPCs. And the occasional storyline. 

    I've literally spent hours in a pub listening to female friends discuss the new outfit they put together for their Khajit in ESO. Or how they spent 4 hours just messing about with the character creator. Or how they spent an hour killing stuff in the shire, just because they like hobbits. This behaviour is then reinforced through the media, so they watch LotR and see Arwen holding back the nazgul, or Eowyn riding into battle. Or they watch GoT and see Cersei dominating the court whilst wearing beautiful gowns. 


    With Sci-Fi.......we're not there yet. Something like the Hunger Games helps - not only does it have a strong female lead and plenty of female cast members, but the world/time in which it is set isn't so far removed from our own and not dominated by male-interest (tech / wars / vehicles etc). 
  • nariusseldonnariusseldon santa clara, CAMember RarePosts: 27,378
    lol .. i doubt there will ever be another MMO as popular as WoW as its height. So don't count on having a sci-fi MMO doing so. 

    Unless, of course, you count Destiny 1 & 2 as this site does. (Is Destiny even close to wow in terms of popularity?)
  • lahnmirlahnmir UtrechtMember RarePosts: 924
    lahnmir said:
     But beyond that? I think sci-fi is probably just too male dominated for now. 
    Hmm, how about an Aliens/Prometheus MMO? I was instantly thinking of Sigourny Weaver when I read your last line. It could be a strong PVE MMO where humans/robots fight the Aliens and their subspecies on different planets. Getting a bit of a Starcrafts Zerg meets Tabula Rasa vibe here. I think it could be pretty cool. Your home is your ship, different zones are different planets etc. Sign me up!

    /Cheers,
    Lahnmir
    Whilst I enjoy the alien's franchise and it's strong female leads, I'm not certain the franchise as a whole has a particularly large female following. 

    I just kinda feel that the majority of popular sci-fi is just concerned with male stuff. Loads of technology. Weird aliens to kill. Cool guns, cars and planes etc. Wars to fight, poor people to stomp in the political arena. 


    With fantasy, there is more cross-gender appeal. There always seems to be some fancy ball to attend whilst wearing fancy jewellery and gowns, which appeals to people who enjoy period dramas. There are always races concerned with peace and love (bloody elves) which they can more readily identify with. The worlds inhabited in fantasy settings are usually still pretty close to nature, rather than concrete jungles. 


    I know this probably comes off as extremely sexist for which I apologise. I play a female-dominated sport (roller derby) and I've been involved in MMOs for ages, so I know a lot of female gamers. Whilst a few have been great raiders or pvpers, the overwhelming majority just couldn't seem to give a shit about mechanics. They care about cosmetics. And cute NPCs. And the occasional storyline. 

    I've literally spent hours in a pub listening to female friends discuss the new outfit they put together for their Khajit in ESO. Or how they spent 4 hours just messing about with the character creator. Or how they spent an hour killing stuff in the shire, just because they like hobbits. This behaviour is then reinforced through the media, so they watch LotR and see Arwen holding back the nazgul, or Eowyn riding into battle. Or they watch GoT and see Cersei dominating the court whilst wearing beautiful gowns. 


    With Sci-Fi.......we're not there yet. Something like the Hunger Games helps - not only does it have a strong female lead and plenty of female cast members, but the world/time in which it is set isn't so far removed from our own and not dominated by male-interest (tech / wars / vehicles etc). 
    Interesting perspective. I know several game females but they are pretty hardcore gamers, the only thing cosmetic would be a massive Assassins Creed logo one of them got tattooed. They play competitive shooters and raid on fairly high levels, they also aren't tomboys or 'one of the guys' if you know what I mean, they are strong independant women. I must admit I never thought of them as the minority, it just was a non issue to me.

    On the Alien Universe, the massive amount of comics on it are very equally male/female divided and play on both their strengths, they also deal with lots of planets and subspecies. There are lots of females in it in strong, leading roles. 

    /Cheers,
    Lahnmir
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  • cameltosiscameltosis ipswichMember EpicPosts: 1,639
    lahnmir said:
    lahnmir said:
     But beyond that? I think sci-fi is probably just too male dominated for now. 


    Interesting perspective. I know several game females but they are pretty hardcore gamers, the only thing cosmetic would be a massive Assassins Creed logo one of them got tattooed. They play competitive shooters and raid on fairly high levels, they also aren't tomboys or 'one of the guys' if you know what I mean, they are strong independant women. I must admit I never thought of them as the minority, it just was a non issue to me.

    On the Alien Universe, the massive amount of comics on it are very equally male/female divided and play on both their strengths, they also deal with lots of planets and subspecies. There are lots of females in it in strong, leading roles. 

    /Cheers,
    Lahnmir
    Gender equality in gaming is still a difficult issue. I too know plenty of excellent female gamers, we had quite a few as part of our progression raid teams, it is just that the average female gamer's motivations seemed to be quite different from the average male gamer's motivations. I may be wrong, I have no hard evidence, only anecdotal. 

    If you look at things like the SuperData reports, they state that the gender gap has shrunk a lot, almost to being equal. However, that includes mobile gamers. When you exclude mobile gamers, the gap widens (about 60:40 in US). 


    I don't know how you close the gap though. Being white, male, 31, my point of view is pretty limited! But, it is important - the best communities are those that are diverse and inclusive. Community is extremely important for retention, and retention is extremely important if you want to reach WoW numbers. 
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