The MMO definition has evolved and the old definition no longer applies

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  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Nashville, TNMember EpicPosts: 2,766
    Iselin said:
    "An apple a day keeps the doctor away"




    That's a blueberry, not an apple.

    /eyeroll
    You're both fools; bananas are a fruit, that is a fruit.  Therefore, it's a banana.
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  • TheScavengerTheScavenger Matrix, NYMember RarePosts: 2,198
    edited September 4
    As for the topic. What is massively multiplayer though?

    in 1999, 100+ people was really massive. That was quite a feat. You never saw that in games except MMOs.

    Today, you can get 100+ player FPS in a typical fps game. 

    There is nothing special about "MM"O anymore. A lot of MMOs (like Istaria) don't even see anything past 50 active players except maybe once in a while if an event happens. In many games the multiplayer servers are so large (Ark/Conan Exiles for examples) its not surprising to see 100+ player servers.

    Does that make them MMOs then, if MMOs of 100+ player servers still makes them an MMO? Even though many games today see far more than that? Or to the topic title, does that mean the definition of MMO and especially the "MM" part has changed over the years?
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  • postlarvalpostlarval Member EpicPosts: 1,647
    Iselin said:
    "An apple a day keeps the doctor away"




    That's a blueberry, not an apple.

    /eyeroll
    You're both fools; bananas are a fruit, that is a fruit.  Therefore, it's a banana.
    Well, maybe...

    But it's definitely, definitely an MMO.
    MadFrenchie
  • ForgrimmForgrimm Somewhere in TimeMember EpicPosts: 2,697
    I like how people are trying to derail the thread because the topic makes them scared that MMORPGs are changing and have changed. The posters here are using a strategy of derailment to get the topic closed. They are afraid that the classic MMOs are gone, and will go back to complaining about new MMOs and how good the old days were (and will have no issue making 100 threads about it and thousands of posts about wanting old MMOs back and how new MMOs suck and how old WoW was better)
    Another strawman. No one is talking about classic MMO's being gone, or about the "good old days". We're talking about using the proper categorization for things. Just going to copy and paste the same thing I said to your buddy when he used the same strawman.

    This is what's known as a Straw man. You're countering an argument that was never made in the first place. People here aren't saying anything bad about new games like Destiny 2. And they're not saying anything about people wanting a classic mmo experience. We're simply saying that we know how to properly classify things. Yes, it's a fact that classic style MMORPG's have waned in popularity and co-op multiplayer style games have vastly increased in popularity. That doesn't somehow magically make those newer, more popular games MMO's.

    When bands started playing a heavier, darker version of rock and roll, people called it heavy metal, because it was significantly different than the music before it. If people just lumped all bands with guitars and drums into the "rock and roll" category, then we'd be putting the Rolling Stones and Slayer together, when in reality they're very different styles.
    Read more at http://forums.mmorpg.com/discussion/467918/the-mmo-definition-has-evolved-and-the-old-definition-no-longer-applies/p3#YhClAjl8VcFu81ue.99

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  • ErillionErillion Member EpicPosts: 8,116
    Slightly changed the title since people may miss the point of the topic.

    As for the topic itself

    The other thing that MMOs do that they didn't before is small capped instances instead of an open world.

    Star Citizen, each "instance" has very few players in each one. That is by far not a massive multiplayer game...if someone is going by the old definition of MMO. However, people still regard it as an MMO however, because the definition itself has changed.
    I've mentioned this in response to you in another thread..  But from what I understand, 16 player caps per area instance are not the goal for SC...  It's just an unfinished MMO.  @MaxBacon or @Erillion can correct me if I'm wrong.

    Not wrong. Some details:

    First of all, Star Citizen by its own definition in the FAQ does not call itself an MMO, but an instanced multiplayer game.

    At present the number of players per instance is 24. An instance could be the interior of one space ship. Another the space outside that space ship. Or one level of a space station. Players can freely move from one instance to the other (no loading screens) ...  so Instance 1) from cockpit to loading bay, open loading bay door, float out   Instance 2) EVA from ship to station, enter station (usually you get shot by a hidden sniper during the approach ;-) ) Instance 3) FPS PvP inside the station.

    The number of players is planned to be higher. We have heard various numbers. Many of the community expect 64 after optimizing, like in other games. The developers want to try a new technique based on cloud technology that would allow hundreds in an instance.

    Currently there are no plans to have instances with time dilation and thousands of players like in EVE Online. Even in EVE this is not standard and requires previous notice to CCP and special reenforced battle servers.

    In Star Citizen all will be playing in the same sandbox universe (a single shard), but not everyone can be in the same place like everone else at the same time in the same instance. When instances fill up, the game opens new instances.

    One idea was that the game will group players with similars settings together in the same instances. Hardcore PvP griefers (PvP slider at max, criminal status for player kills)  will preferentially meet other players of the same type in instances.


    https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/engineering/12770-Chris-Roberts-On-Multiplayer-Single-Player-And-Instancing

    http://starcitizen.wikia.com/wiki/Instancing

    http://starcitizen.wikia.com/wiki/Frequently_Asked_Questions


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  • ReborncRebornc MunichMember UncommonPosts: 40
    Why bother with those mmos. Everything is called mmo today.
    We should just invent a new Term for what we think is an mmo.


    Let's call it RealMMO or TrueMMO ;)
    By definition a TMMO needs to have all these things. If it doesnt its just a mmo ;)
    Fuck your mmos ;) i want tmmos back ;)
  • SBFordSBFord Associate Editor - News Manager The CitadelMMORPG.COM Staff LegendaryPosts: 25,832
    Please stick to the original post. If you want to go off topic, please do so in another thread or via PM. Thank you.
    Kyleran

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  • postlarvalpostlarval Member EpicPosts: 1,647
    Rebornc said:
    Why bother with those mmos. Everything is called mmo today.
    We should just invent a new Term for what we think is an mmo.


    Let's call it RealMMO or TrueMMO ;)
    By definition a TMMO needs to have all these things. If it doesnt its just a mmo ;)
    Fuck your mmos ;) i want tmmos back ;)
    Or we could just call them 'games'

    Oh, never mind. People here will just start arguing about the definition of a 'game'.
  • MaurgrimMaurgrim Member RarePosts: 814
    edited September 4
    Two people here tries to convince that an apple is not an apple any more It's an orange, because there are several brands of apples these days so you can't just say this is an apple It might be a orange because both are round and sweet.
    Several people in this thread are defending that very thing and says an apple are just that an apple because It has always been an apple, we can see It's an apple, we can taste it and do indeed tastes like an apple, yes a shocker It dosent taste like an orange even if both a round and similar size.

    But we who enjoy apples are according to these two guys, the old apple tasters generation  living in the old days when apples were apples, to day in this modern era these apples have evolved to oranges and we old timers can't keep up with the new changes.

    This is what I gathered from this useless thread.


     
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  • FaunNoeFaunNoe Member UncommonPosts: 55
    edited September 4
    Rebornc said:
    Why bother with those mmos. Everything is called mmo today.
    We should just invent a new Term for what we think is an mmo.


    Let's call it RealMMO or TrueMMO ;)
    By definition a TMMO needs to have all these things. If it doesnt its just a mmo ;)
    Fuck your mmos ;) i want tmmos back ;)
    Or we could just call them 'games'

    Oh, never mind. People here will just start arguing about the definition of a 'game'.
    CALL THEM GAMES!? EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT THE DEFINITION OF A GAME IS IN YOUR OPINION RIGHT NOW! I'M SURE OUR OPINIONS WILL DIFFER! ACTUALLY I'LL MAKE SURE OUR OPINIONS DIFFER NO MATTER WHAT!

    Edit: Forgot to add "jk" at the end. On a serious note if the apples are indeed apples and not oranges then where do the pineapples fit in? I think in order to have a true debate the entire fruit family should be present. Give their thoughts on the situation. 
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  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Nashville, TNMember EpicPosts: 2,766
    FaunNoe said:
    Rebornc said:
    Why bother with those mmos. Everything is called mmo today.
    We should just invent a new Term for what we think is an mmo.


    Let's call it RealMMO or TrueMMO ;)
    By definition a TMMO needs to have all these things. If it doesnt its just a mmo ;)
    Fuck your mmos ;) i want tmmos back ;)
    Or we could just call them 'games'

    Oh, never mind. People here will just start arguing about the definition of a 'game'.
    CALL THEM GAMES!? EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT THE DEFINITION OF A GAME IS IN YOUR OPINION RIGHT NOW! I'M SURE OUR OPINIONS WILL DIFFER! ACTUALLY I'LL MAKE SURE OUR OPINIONS DIFFER NO MATTER WHAT!

    Edit: Forgot to add "jk" at the end. On a serious note if the apples are indeed apples and not oranges then where do the pineapples fit in? I think in order to have a true debate the entire fruit family should be present. Give their thoughts on the situation. 
    Pineapples are P2W.

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  • RhoklawRhoklaw Ft. Bliss, TXMember EpicPosts: 5,228
    FaunNoe said:
    Rebornc said:
    Why bother with those mmos. Everything is called mmo today.
    We should just invent a new Term for what we think is an mmo.


    Let's call it RealMMO or TrueMMO ;)
    By definition a TMMO needs to have all these things. If it doesnt its just a mmo ;)
    Fuck your mmos ;) i want tmmos back ;)
    Or we could just call them 'games'

    Oh, never mind. People here will just start arguing about the definition of a 'game'.
    CALL THEM GAMES!? EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT THE DEFINITION OF A GAME IS IN YOUR OPINION RIGHT NOW! I'M SURE OUR OPINIONS WILL DIFFER! ACTUALLY I'LL MAKE SURE OUR OPINIONS DIFFER NO MATTER WHAT!

    Edit: Forgot to add "jk" at the end. On a serious note if the apples are indeed apples and not oranges then where do the pineapples fit in? I think in order to have a true debate the entire fruit family should be present. Give their thoughts on the situation. 
    Pineapples are P2W.
    Unless you allow Pen Pineapple Apple Pens, cause then everybody wins!
    MadFrenchie

  • TheScavengerTheScavenger Matrix, NYMember RarePosts: 2,198
    Here are a couple examples of a word changing its meaning and definition

    For example, people keep using the word "Bae" to describe their loved ones...guess what Bae means in Danish?

    Poop. Bae means poop in Danish.

    However, people turned that word into something good to describe a loved one, so it no longer means poop. That is one example of a word changing definitions.

    Also, gay...gay used to mean happy. Now today it obviously has a different meaning.

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  • XthosXthos Columbus, OHMember UncommonPosts: 2,658
    I just don't see how LoL is a mmo to people, did massive lose it's definition, does a couple mean many now?  I want to see less instances, more open mmos.  I think all the instancing stuff, it may be quicker to get action, I also think it is more bland/boring in the long term.   I don't agree with the rebranding, it doesn't make sense, use a different term that will not be confused.  If you expand mmo to mean every game, it has no meaning in the end, then you have to kill the term, and make a new one, which you should of just done in the beginning.
    KyleranMaurgrim
  • nariusseldonnariusseldon santa clara, CAMember RarePosts: 27,395
    Maurgrim said:
    Just close this fars thread allready, nothing good will come of it.
    What do you mean "nothing good"? You don't see people are having forum pvp fun?
  • nariusseldonnariusseldon santa clara, CAMember RarePosts: 27,395
    Iselin said:
    There's already a new term being used that captures MMOs and not-so-MMOs alike and would stop all these debates once you start using it too: Shared World.

    I still think this site should change it's named to sharedworlds.com.
    Good luck making it happen. When you do, i will change my usage. Before that, work hard!
  • FlyByKnightFlyByKnight Algo Star SystemMember RarePosts: 1,971
  • nariusseldonnariusseldon santa clara, CAMember RarePosts: 27,395
    wait .. that horse is alive???


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