Fallout 4 PC beta patch today, 2.1 GB

GruntyGrunty TexasMember RarePosts: 8,156
edited August 29 in General Gaming

Bethesda's release is a very short summary of changes.
https://bethesda.net/en/devnote/2yBIs6lDs0UM2IECYw0QEq/fallout-4-update-creation-club

Most of it appears to be the introduction of something they call Creation Club.  Also some new equipment that is mostly new armor and a couple of new weapons.  Improved modification support. Support for .ESL files.

The Steam article has more details including images.
http://steamcommunity.com/games/377160/announcements/detail/1448326045456809208

"Featuring new items, abilities and gameplay created by Bethesda Games Studios and outside development partners – including the best community creators – Creation Club content is fully curated and compatible with the main game, official add-ons, and achievements. Currently available for Fallout 4, Creation Club will be coming to Skyrim Special Edition next month. All Creation Club content works on PlayStation 4, Xbox One and PC. And of course, Mods will remain a free and open system where anyone can create and share what they’d like. "


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  • SovrathSovrath Boston Area, MAMember LegendaryPosts: 23,041
    Grunty said:

    Bethesda's release is a very short summary of changes.
    https://bethesda.net/en/devnote/2yBIs6lDs0UM2IECYw0QEq/fallout-4-update-creation-club

    Most of it appears to be the introduction of something they call Creation Club.  Also some new equipment that is mostly new armor and a couple of new weapons.  Improved modification support. Support for .ESL files.

    The Steam article has more details including images.
    http://steamcommunity.com/games/377160/announcements/detail/1448326045456809208

    "Featuring new items, abilities and gameplay created by Bethesda Games Studios and outside development partners – including the best community creators – Creation Club content is fully curated and compatible with the main game, official add-ons, and achievements. Currently available for Fallout 4, Creation Club will be coming to Skyrim Special Edition next month. All Creation Club content works on PlayStation 4, Xbox One and PC. And of course, Mods will remain a free and open system where anyone can create and share what they’d like. "


    The creation club should be interesting. It's coming to skyrim as well.

    I'm definitely looking forward to this.
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  • Panther2103Panther2103 Edmonds, WAMember RarePosts: 3,530
    So the creation club uses credits to buy content made by other people and bethesda? That's interesting, it sounds a lot like the paid mods steam originally tried to do with their games. I'm okay with giving people money for things they create as long as it is actually well made. 
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  • SovrathSovrath Boston Area, MAMember LegendaryPosts: 23,041
    So the creation club uses credits to buy content made by other people and bethesda? That's interesting, it sounds a lot like the paid mods steam originally tried to do with their games. I'm okay with giving people money for things they create as long as it is actually well made. 
    That's also my thought. New Content from Bethesda is worth money. Great content by secondary developers or top modders is also worth money.
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  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 14,729
    Sovrath said:
    So the creation club uses credits to buy content made by other people and bethesda? That's interesting, it sounds a lot like the paid mods steam originally tried to do with their games. I'm okay with giving people money for things they create as long as it is actually well made. 
    That's also my thought. New Content from Bethesda is worth money. Great content by secondary developers or top modders is also worth money.
    I'm willing to pay for curated vetted content. I like to know things will work and will be maintained. I think those two will be key for this to be successful.
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  • PyndaPynda Member UncommonPosts: 849
    ...I'm okay with giving people money for things they create as long as it is actually well made. 
    I got a real taste of how this eventually works out installing a Boeing 737 simulator on my PC. Everyone's little mod is worth (according to the developers) a minimum of around $20, some of them charge up to perhaps $80, and by the time I had finally finished getting everything set up the way I wanted it I had spent over $600 for one game. I was rewarded at the end of this process with a truly fun and unique experience, but one final take.

    Never (evar) again. To hell with paid mods.
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  • NycteliosNyctelios Novo Hamburgo - RS - BrazilMember EpicPosts: 2,248
    So now the crap is out I wonder if you'll keep the same narrative.

    There is nothing new about mods. Everything was already made and just as modders said the Creation Club format does not allow certain size and formats so no big and innovative mods, just cheap skins.

    And, like we discussed on reddit: There are already many mods there which you would find for free... 

    So how long until Bethesda starts take downs claiming they own them?

    How this is a good thing baffles me. This is the worst of 2 worlds: Microtransactions in a b2p triple A title (fullprice) with paid mods.
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  • TheScavengerTheScavenger Matrix, NYMember RarePosts: 2,192
    edited August 31
    Why are all the creation club files for the paid content in my game folder when I didn't download or buy them. Did Bethesda give them out for free? Why did Bethesda force the files onto everyones PCs and consoles if they didn't buy the paid mod?

    The hilarious part is with NIFskope and a combination of other modding tools freely available that have been used for years BY MODDERS, I can unpack and pack everything in the files included...wtf? Literally the same tools used to make mods can be used to unpack and pack the paid for mods rofl. Its not even pirating mods at this point because Bethesda put the files on my hard drive (along with everyone else) and I used modding tools (used by most modders) to make my own mods lol.

    This is is hilarious. You can't even say its pirated, because Bethesda put the files there themselves and then all you do is mod (with tools every modder uses) the paid mods and then its your own. And then every time a new paid mod is out, its gonna download a new update and force it on peoples hard drives/ssd and consoles lol. WTF. I definitely don't like being forced content I didn't buy onto my PC taking up my bandwidth limit when I didn't even ask or want the paid mods on my comptuer lol.

    This is so hilarious I'm laughing so much at how much this is a disaster. 

    Steam paid mods were literally 100% better than this
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  • TheScavengerTheScavenger Matrix, NYMember RarePosts: 2,192
    edited August 31
    With bethesda downloading everything to peoples PCs and consoles...even if someone never even bought the paid mod...imagine all the people with limited hard drive space (especially SSDs), paid bandwidth, limited bandwidth

    This is a bigger disaster than steam paid mods
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  • BeansnBreadBeansnBread PshMember RarePosts: 6,369
    This is a bigger disaster than steam paid mods
    no.
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  • TheScavengerTheScavenger Matrix, NYMember RarePosts: 2,192
    This is a bigger disaster than steam paid mods
    no.
    yes
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  • TheScavengerTheScavenger Matrix, NYMember RarePosts: 2,192
    at least you actually had to buy steam paid mods if you wanted the mods. If you didn't, never had to waste the money or bandwidth to get them. Bethesda puts ALL the paid mods right on your PC for free, whether you want it or not lol.

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  • BeansnBreadBeansnBread PshMember RarePosts: 6,369
    at least you actually had to buy steam paid mods if you wanted the mods. If you didn't, never had to waste the money or bandwidth to get them. Bethesda puts ALL the paid mods right on your PC for free, whether you want it or not lol.
    Are you making the assumption that because there was a download that they are downloading the mods to your pc?
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  • TheScavengerTheScavenger Matrix, NYMember RarePosts: 2,192
    at least you actually had to buy steam paid mods if you wanted the mods. If you didn't, never had to waste the money or bandwidth to get them. Bethesda puts ALL the paid mods right on your PC for free, whether you want it or not lol.
    Are you making the assumption that because there was a download that they are downloading the mods to your pc?


    They actually do.

    Better you research something before posting next time.

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  • BeansnBreadBeansnBread PshMember RarePosts: 6,369
    at least you actually had to buy steam paid mods if you wanted the mods. If you didn't, never had to waste the money or bandwidth to get them. Bethesda puts ALL the paid mods right on your PC for free, whether you want it or not lol.
    Are you making the assumption that because there was a download that they are downloading the mods to your pc?


    They actually do.

    Better you research something before posting next time.
    It would be nice if you actually linked something that had some basis in reality. What you linked is not evidence.
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  • GruntyGrunty TexasMember RarePosts: 8,156
    Most of the armors that you see images of in the Steam article can be received by completing new missions.
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  • TheScavengerTheScavenger Matrix, NYMember RarePosts: 2,192
    edited August 31
    at least you actually had to buy steam paid mods if you wanted the mods. If you didn't, never had to waste the money or bandwidth to get them. Bethesda puts ALL the paid mods right on your PC for free, whether you want it or not lol.
    Are you making the assumption that because there was a download that they are downloading the mods to your pc?


    They actually do.

    Better you research something before posting next time.
    It would be nice if you actually linked something that had some basis in reality. What you linked is not evidence.
    you are the very definition fake news. Anyone with fallout 4 installed on steam and looks in their data folder can see all the files, or look on google and find the info. Or find the multiple videos on it (which Gopher is a very well known youtuber btw, did you bother to watch the video or just went straight back to spreading more fake news?)

    Here, to destroy your fake news posts and since you need your hand held since you are unable to look for yourself (or maybe you can and are trying to spread false information)...

    https://bethesda.net/community/topic/88724/why-is-fo4-auto-downloading-creation-club-ba2s

    https://forums.nexusmods.com/index.php?/topic/5945503-so-i-havent-bought-a-single-thing-from-the-creation-club-but-i-have-all-their-assets-and-so-do-you-probaly/

    https://www.reddit.com/r/fo4/comments/6wljzk/creation_club_megathread/dm98njb/

    This one does say ESP files aren't included though. But its very easy for an average modder to make an ESP file (through the creation kit provided by the game) and unpack/pack the files. The typical gamer won't be able to do it though if they have no modding experience. However it still shows the files are placed on peoples hard drives without being asked for it) http://steamcommunity.com/app/377160/discussions/0/1474221865183258171/ 
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  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 14,729
    OMG. Making Hyperbole Great Again! People will believe what they want regardless of facts (if they're inconvenient call it 'fake news').

    Next up in the world of gamer surprises, many games download DLC assets whether you own the expac or not. More breaking news at 11. Now back to you "Angry YouTube Ranter".
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  • TheScavengerTheScavenger Matrix, NYMember RarePosts: 2,192
    edited August 31
    Torval said:
    OMG. Making Hyperbole Great Again! People will believe what they want regardless of facts (if they're inconvenient call it 'fake news').

    Next up in the world of gamer surprises, many games download DLC assets whether you own the expac or not. More breaking news at 11. Now back to you "Angry YouTube Ranter".
    You are fake news as well. The person I quoted said

    "Are you making the assumption that because there was a download that they are downloading the mods to your pc?"

    I provided information that in fact was the paid mods get downloaded to the PC. Now you are trying to change the subject because I provided the information that in fact they do get downloaded to the PC. However, the person I quoted implied that was not the case.

    Nice try, but try again

    The funny thing is though, its super easy to use the paid mods with the provided modding tools provided by Bethesda, so don't actually have to pay them if someone has any knowledge of modding


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  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 14,729
    edited August 31
    Torval said:
    OMG. Making Hyperbole Great Again! People will believe what they want regardless of facts (if they're inconvenient call it 'fake news').

    Next up in the world of gamer surprises, many games download DLC assets whether you own the expac or not. More breaking news at 11. Now back to you "Angry YouTube Ranter".
    You are fake news as well. The person I quoted said

    "Are you making the assumption that because there was a download that they are downloading the mods to your pc?"

    I provided information that in fact was the paid mods get downloaded to the PC. Now you are trying to change the subject because I provided the information that in fact they do get downloaded to the PC. However, the person I quoted said that was not the case. 

    Nice try, but try again
    So you can use all those paid mods? Because downloading some assets and downloading all the mods are two different things. Are you just complaining to complain and be outraged because gamers love to play the victim card, or is there some real problem here?
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  • TheScavengerTheScavenger Matrix, NYMember RarePosts: 2,192
    edited August 31
    Torval said:
    Torval said:
    OMG. Making Hyperbole Great Again! People will believe what they want regardless of facts (if they're inconvenient call it 'fake news').

    Next up in the world of gamer surprises, many games download DLC assets whether you own the expac or not. More breaking news at 11. Now back to you "Angry YouTube Ranter".
    You are fake news as well. The person I quoted said

    "Are you making the assumption that because there was a download that they are downloading the mods to your pc?"

    I provided information that in fact was the paid mods get downloaded to the PC. Now you are trying to change the subject because I provided the information that in fact they do get downloaded to the PC. However, the person I quoted said that was not the case. 

    Nice try, but try again


    So you can use all those paid mods?
    yes, with the creation kit provided by Bethesda you can make an ESP out of the files. It does take some modding knowledge though, but all it takes is Bethesda's Creation Kit that they provide for everyone

    http://steamcommunity.com/app/377160/discussions/0/1474221865183258171/ 

    Quotes-
    "You can pack the resources yourself into an esp file with certain ways, won't say how so they don't get the wrong Idea.
    Or there's the finalized files you can rename into .esp or .lesp"

    and

    "Originally posted by Creation Club
    Originally posted by Chilli Dog Dave:
    have been, but the quest scripts and such are fragmented.
    only costumes are working flawlessly even then you gotta console add them
    All It does Is give you the resources, you structure It yourself.
    That.

    I have personally made many ESPs, the scripts are good, as are the files. The only issue I have are typical of using other mods, CBBE bodies, hands, and mod hair poking through. The scripts are good, they just have nothing to fire them unil they are placed in an esp file. I did this all with blind ESP files linking to the BA2 files we DLed."
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  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 14,729
    Right, so they're not downloading custom content. They're downloading shared assets. You claim to understand modding but are outraged at such a simple concept? Amazing. I'll file this under, "Gamers that love to be indignant about everything."

    You're not getting the custom mod files though are you? So they're not downloading the mods like you claim. They're downloading assets which you have to package into a mod file to even make work.

    So there is a bunch of theorycrafting about how something is supposed to be wrong and we're supposed to be outraged, but nothing bad is actually happening and what you claim isn't going down the way you say. Got it.
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  • TheScavengerTheScavenger Matrix, NYMember RarePosts: 2,192
    edited August 31
    Torval said:
    Right, so they're not downloading custom content. They're downloading shared assets. You claim to understand modding but are outraged at such a simple concept? Amazing. I'll file this under, "Gamers that love to be indignant about everything."

    You're not getting the custom mod files though are you? So they're not downloading the mods like you claim. They're downloading assets which you have to package into a mod file to even make work.

    So there is a bunch of theorycrafting about how something is supposed to be wrong and we're supposed to be outraged, but nothing bad is actually happening and what you claim isn't going down the way you say. Got it.
    Its 2gb of assets now, but once more and more assets get put on the creation club...the size could easily get vastly bigger. You probably do not have to deal with paying for bandwidth, or have bandwidth limits...but people all over the world (Australia being a big one for that) have to deal with bandwidth. And many people keep their games on SSDs which don't often have room for lots of space.

    And the assets are so easily used by creating a simple esp and packing the assets into it with the creation club, that anyone with modding knowledge can make an ESP and use the assets.

    Do you honestly see no problem with the above? Maybe not the first if you are one of those with unlimited free bandwidth, but most people don't have that luxury even in the US. And the assets are way too easily used.

    How is that BETTER than steam paid mods? Steam paid mods only downloaded when you bought them and no one had easy access to make a simple esp out of the assets that were steam paid mods.
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  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 14,729
    Nope I see no problems with that. It's part and parcel with PC Gaming. We'll also have to see how it rolls out once the kinks are worked out. There's a lot of speculation being presented as fact which is typical of the angry youtube crowd. Despite all their predictive rants the gaming world hasn't gone up in flames.

    What are those poor people going to do when FF15 releases for PC with it's 150GB install size?
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  • BuccaneerBuccaneer Under The BedMember UncommonPosts: 652
    Jim Sterling is not a big fan of the creation club :)


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  • TheScavengerTheScavenger Matrix, NYMember RarePosts: 2,192
    edited August 31
    Buccaneer said:
    Jim Sterling is not a big fan of the creation club :)


    in before the "angry youtube crowd" comment gets said again. Or "don't like Jim Sterling" and ignoring the content in the video, or any variation of the above

    Now I beat the comments to it

    But yeah I saw Jim Sterling wasn't very happy. His main complaint was that its just re-skins, and small mods and things you can get free on Nexus. He even showed that the modded versions actually look BETTER than the paid ones. 

    I'd be happy (along with many others) if it was quest mods, new lands and DLC sized quality content. Not this junk.

    If DLC quality content appears on the creation club, I'd pay for it.
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