(Forbes) Bethesda Game of Thrones leaked by Target (update: it was a hoax)

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  • PhryPhry OxfordshireMember EpicPosts: 8,816
    Bethesda games tend to be a bit 'raw' the only real reason why they are popular is because game mods turn them into games worth playing, without the mods, i seriously doubt games like Skyrim even would be remotely as popular.
    I am not sure that GoT is really an IP that Bethesda would be interested in and i would be very surprised indeed if they did make one using the GoT IP, the entire premise is extremely questionable, it may even be fake news. :/
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  • Octagon7711Octagon7711 Chicago, ILMember EpicPosts: 5,512
    Well, no one would either confirm nor deny so something may be going on.  

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  • MaxBaconMaxBacon Figueira da FozMember EpicPosts: 3,956
    BruceYee said:
    Might finally see the "WoW killer" in this decade.
    Wouldn't be on MMO I'd say, Bethesda didn't have the best experience with ESO in terms of success.
    Mendel
  • KyleranKyleran Paradise City, FLMember LegendaryPosts: 26,030
    True story, friend of mine who is avid reader told me once years before the TV series this set of books were terrible, and in her words, the author is always killing off the main characters.  (I'm told the TV show remained true to this).

    So I never watched the show, partly due to this reason but also after seeing an episode or two knowing my wife would never enjoy it, and she controls the TV in the evenings in my house. 

    But this announcement seems like good news, with any luck I'll  finish Fallout New Vegas (the game that never ends) just in time for launch.

    B)


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  • ConstantineMerusConstantineMerus LondonMember RarePosts: 986
    Kyleran said:
    True story, friend of mine who is avid reader told me once years before the TV series this set of books were terrible, and in her words, the author is always killing off the main characters.  (I'm told the TV show remained true to this).

    So I never watched the show, partly due to this reason but also after seeing an episode or two knowing my wife would never enjoy it, and she controls the TV in the evenings in my house. 

    But this announcement seems like good news, with any luck I'll  finish Fallout New Vegas (the game that never ends) just in time for launch.

    B)


    It is common practice to kill off characters in POV stories. I'm really not sure what's all the fuss about this particular series. Also, none of the characters I guessed to have vital roles in the story from the beginning are all alive and well. 
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  • MendelMendel Marietta, GAMember RarePosts: 1,765
    MaxBacon said:
    BruceYee said:
    Might finally see the "WoW killer" in this decade.
    Wouldn't be on MMO I'd say, Bethesda didn't have the best experience with ESO in terms of success.
    It doesn't seem likely that Bethesda would want a new product to compete in the same market as ESO.  Also, the long development time of MMORPGs counts against this product being another MMORPG.  I think I'm with @MaxBacon on this issue.
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  • PhryPhry OxfordshireMember EpicPosts: 8,816
    Mendel said:
    MaxBacon said:
    BruceYee said:
    Might finally see the "WoW killer" in this decade.
    Wouldn't be on MMO I'd say, Bethesda didn't have the best experience with ESO in terms of success.
    It doesn't seem likely that Bethesda would want a new product to compete in the same market as ESO.  Also, the long development time of MMORPGs counts against this product being another MMORPG.  I think I'm with @MaxBacon on this issue.
    Its unlikely that Bethesda would make an MMO, they have always said that they would only make single player games, which btw, ESO was developed by a team at Zenimax, Bethesda were the publishers though as a subsidiary of Zenimax it isn't like they were entirely uninvolved. :/
  • ConstantineMerusConstantineMerus LondonMember RarePosts: 986
    Total War: Game of Thrones

    I'd love to play that. But I guess will be getting Skyrim: Game of Thrones.
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  • IselinIselin Vancouver, BCMember LegendaryPosts: 9,809
    I'd like to play as one of the Freefolk in the North. Lots more room for lore that wasn't explored all that much in the books or TV series. And more possibility of magic like Warging if it's set there. No need to bend a knee either :)
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  • GorweGorwe Ald'RuhnMember RarePosts: 3,977
    edited August 29
    Kyleran said:
    True story, friend of mine who is avid reader told me once years before the TV series this set of books were terrible, and in her words, the author is always killing off the main characters.  (I'm told the TV show remained true to this).

    So I never watched the show, partly due to this reason but also after seeing an episode or two knowing my wife would never enjoy it, and she controls the TV in the evenings in my house. 

    But this announcement seems like good news, with any luck I'll  finish Fallout New Vegas (the game that never ends) just in time for launch.

    B)


    It is common practice to kill off characters in POV stories. I'm really not sure what's all the fuss about this particular series. Also, none of the characters I guessed to have vital roles in the story from the beginning are all alive and well. 
    Yeah, as I said, I just don't understand the fuss. Sure, the prose and the writing style of G.Martin is very nice, but...come on? Are Game of Thrones something we want to leave to our children? Not Harry Potter or LoTR or Narnia but GoT? ...sure, fair enough. Just keep in mind, if what he writes about is the mentality of the writer...there's more to humans. We aren't as animalistic as he portrays us(we can be, but aren't 24/7 like in GoT).
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  • ianicusianicus Calgary, ABMember UncommonPosts: 608
    Nasa said:
    It will probably be 1st person game. I prefer 3rd person, so if it was made by CD Project Red I would be in luck.
    You can play most bethesda games in 3rd person that have been made in the last decade
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  • gervaise1gervaise1 .Member RarePosts: 4,280
    Kyleran said:
    True story, friend of mine who is avid reader told me once years before the TV series this set of books were terrible, and in her words, the author is always killing off the main characters.  (I'm told the TV show remained true to this).

    So I never watched the show, partly due to this reason but also after seeing an episode or two knowing my wife would never enjoy it, and she controls the TV in the evenings in my house. 

    But this announcement seems like good news, with any luck I'll  finish Fallout New Vegas (the game that never ends) just in time for launch.

    B)


    Curious. Did your friend keep reading the books - they came out over several years and if they were so bad I assume that they would have stopped after the first?

    (I would disagree btw that the books are bad.)
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  • penandpaperpenandpaper Romeoville, ILMember UncommonPosts: 121
    No offense, but who are you people?
    Skyrim not playable without mods?  Except most people played without mods.
    Bethesda doesn't make good games?  Except from a production value, storyline, interesting setting, good story, nice graphics, and game mechanics... yeah I guess you're right.
    Books more popular than the series? No.  Yes, units sold.  But, groups watch GoT - and half the books bought were Christmas presents that got thrown in the closet.

    I guess I just don't understand.

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  • ConstantineMerusConstantineMerus LondonMember RarePosts: 986
    edited August 29
    Gorwe said:
    Kyleran said:
    True story, friend of mine who is avid reader told me once years before the TV series this set of books were terrible, and in her words, the author is always killing off the main characters.  (I'm told the TV show remained true to this).

    So I never watched the show, partly due to this reason but also after seeing an episode or two knowing my wife would never enjoy it, and she controls the TV in the evenings in my house. 

    But this announcement seems like good news, with any luck I'll  finish Fallout New Vegas (the game that never ends) just in time for launch.

    B)


    It is common practice to kill off characters in POV stories. I'm really not sure what's all the fuss about this particular series. Also, none of the characters I guessed to have vital roles in the story from the beginning are all alive and well. 
    Yeah, as I said, I just don't understand the fuss. Sure, the prose and the writing style of G.Martin is very nice, but...come on? Are Game of Thrones something we want to leave to our children? Not Harry Potter or LoTR or Narnia but GoT? ...sure, fair enough. Just keep in mind, if what he writes about is the mentality of the writer...there's more to humans. We aren't as animalistic as he portrays us(we can be, but aren't 24/7 like in GoT).
    Uh.. I was making a whole different point, completely unrelated to what you said mate. 

    I'm not going to share my opinion here since it ain't the place for it. Just a little piece, if you compare history to GoT, GoT comes out as a pretty princess dressed in pink. But let's just leave it as that! ;)
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  • ConstantineMerusConstantineMerus LondonMember RarePosts: 986
    No offense, but who are you people?
    Skyrim not playable without mods?  Except most people played without mods.
    Bethesda doesn't make good games?  Except from a production value, storyline, interesting setting, good story, nice graphics, and game mechanics... yeah I guess you're right.
    Books more popular than the series? No.  Yes, units sold.  But, groups watch GoT - and half the books bought were Christmas presents that got thrown in the closet.

    I guess I just don't understand.

    I believe mods gave longevity to the fans. But a game has to become huge success first to have that sort of modding community. 
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  • SovrathSovrath Boston Area, MAMember LegendaryPosts: 22,687
    edited August 29
    No offense, but who are you people?
    Skyrim not playable without mods?  Except most people played without mods.
    Bethesda doesn't make good games?  Except from a production value, storyline, interesting setting, good story, nice graphics, and game mechanics... yeah I guess you're right.
    Books more popular than the series? No.  Yes, units sold.  But, groups watch GoT - and half the books bought were Christmas presents that got thrown in the closet.

    I guess I just don't understand.

    Skyrim is VERY playable without mods.

    The only mods I ever use are those that create a bit more realism or those that add extra dungeons and items. I don't really change the core game at all.

    However, as Constantine said, Mods allow for longevity (like those extra dungeons).
    Post edited by Sovrath on
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  • ScotchUpScotchUp Member UncommonPosts: 36
    Guess it was a hoax, would love a game like this. http://bit.ly/2gmv0wd
  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Nashville, TNMember EpicPosts: 2,219
    Sovrath said:
    No offense, but who are you people?
    Skyrim not playable without mods?  Except most people played without mods.
    Bethesda doesn't make good games?  Except from a production value, storyline, interesting setting, good story, nice graphics, and game mechanics... yeah I guess you're right.
    Books more popular than the series? No.  Yes, units sold.  But, groups watch GoT - and half the books bought were Christmas presents that got thrown in the closet.

    I guess I just don't understand.

    Skyrim is VERY playable without mods.

    The only mods I ever use are those that create a bit more realism or those that add extra dungeons and items. I don't really change the core game at all.

    However, as Constantine said, Mods allow for longevity (like those extra dungeons).
    Wait, does Skyrim have a Macho Man mod??  I won't play a Bethesda game without being able to turn at least one enemy type into Macho Man and his Band of Randy Savages.
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  • SovrathSovrath Boston Area, MAMember LegendaryPosts: 22,687
    Sovrath said:
    No offense, but who are you people?
    Skyrim not playable without mods?  Except most people played without mods.
    Bethesda doesn't make good games?  Except from a production value, storyline, interesting setting, good story, nice graphics, and game mechanics... yeah I guess you're right.
    Books more popular than the series? No.  Yes, units sold.  But, groups watch GoT - and half the books bought were Christmas presents that got thrown in the closet.

    I guess I just don't understand.

    Skyrim is VERY playable without mods.

    The only mods I ever use are those that create a bit more realism or those that add extra dungeons and items. I don't really change the core game at all.

    However, as Constantine said, Mods allow for longevity (like those extra dungeons).
    Wait, does Skyrim have a Macho Man mod??  I won't play a Bethesda game without being able to turn at least one enemy type into Macho Man and his Band of Randy Savages.
    lol "well it does".

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlJULk0f9xA
    MadFrenchie



  • cameltosiscameltosis ipswichMember EpicPosts: 1,557
    Gorwe said:
    Kyleran said:
    True story, friend of mine who is avid reader told me once years before the TV series this set of books were terrible, and in her words, the author is always killing off the main characters.  (I'm told the TV show remained true to this).

    So I never watched the show, partly due to this reason but also after seeing an episode or two knowing my wife would never enjoy it, and she controls the TV in the evenings in my house. 

    But this announcement seems like good news, with any luck I'll  finish Fallout New Vegas (the game that never ends) just in time for launch.

    B)


    It is common practice to kill off characters in POV stories. I'm really not sure what's all the fuss about this particular series. Also, none of the characters I guessed to have vital roles in the story from the beginning are all alive and well. 
    Yeah, as I said, I just don't understand the fuss. Sure, the prose and the writing style of G.Martin is very nice, but...come on? Are Game of Thrones something we want to leave to our children? Not Harry Potter or LoTR or Narnia but GoT? ...sure, fair enough. Just keep in mind, if what he writes about is the mentality of the writer...there's more to humans. We aren't as animalistic as he portrays us(we can be, but aren't 24/7 like in GoT).
    In terms of the TV series, the appeal is understandable. (please excuse upcoming sexism). 

    The TV series is essentially a costume drama. Women love costume dramas! It's got interesting settings and clothing etc, but at it's heart GoT TV series is just like any other drama - interpersonal conflict and character development, hooking into your personal emotions. 

    However, the series is marketed as a fantasy drama and has just about enough sex and violence to also keep men interested as well. 

    That is what keeps GoT so popular. Normally, a fantasy or sci-fi series would appeal primarily to men, but GoT has managed to appeal to everyone. They've taken some alright fantasy books, then dumbed down the dialogue to the point where it is accessible to the masses. 



    The books......yeh, they're popular due to the TV series. They are good books, don't get me wrong, but nothing special in the world of fantasy. There is less drama and more high-level politics in the books - the books are actually far more intellectually stimulating that the tv series - but the world of westeros is pretty boring compared to most, the battles short lived, the races involved boring. It is simply that many of the things in the books are relatable, hence it getting made into a series. 



    Do we want to pass it on to our kids? Hell no! GoT is made for adults, not kids! If I had children, I wouldn't want them watching the series! But should GoT be remembered by history? Yes. 

    Despite my opinion that the TV series is nothing more than a glorified costume drama, I do believe that it should be remembered kindly by history. Despite it's many problems, GoT is probably the first, or at least the most popular, high quality fantasy series to grace the small screen. It is the first series that has shown us that just because it involves swords, shields, magic and dragons, it doesn't have to be cheesy as fuck and can involve high quality actors. I believe the series will open a door to future high quality series set in fantasy universes. 



    As for the game.....I hope it will just be Skyrim in a GoT universe. Set it just after the final TV series, and time the launch to come after that series ends and you've got a winner. There will be no existing story to compare it to, just a starting point, so we can go off and create our own stories. I don't think Bethesda have the talent to create a game that would allow us to play the Game of Thrones (i.e. far reaching plans, alliances, political intrigues, planning large scale battles and invasions etc) so my hope is that it'll be mostly sandboxy like Skyrim, allowing us to travel and experience most of the world. Maybe the main storyline is we're a bastard of a minor lord, recalled to service after the death of his father, tasked with rebuilding the house and finishing up with some fights against a neutral enemy (invading dothraki, northmen or whatever). 


    Gorwe
  • IselinIselin Vancouver, BCMember LegendaryPosts: 9,809


    The books......yeh, they're popular due to the TV series. They are good books, don't get me wrong, but nothing special in the world of fantasy. There is less drama and more high-level politics in the books - the books are actually far more intellectually stimulating that the tv series - but the world of westeros is pretty boring compared to most, the battles short lived, the races involved boring. It is simply that many of the things in the books are relatable, hence it getting made into a series. 


    I read the books that had been written long before there was a TV series. I liked them as fantasy fiction precisely because they were very light on the magic (although it's there in the background and becoming more prominent in the later books) and focused instead on political intrigue.

    The only thing I found annoying about them is Martin's glacial release pace: he published the first one 21 years and there are still two more to go.

    The TV series has become a cultural phenomenon and has now outpaced the story in the books. This is unfortunate because it has led to a deterioration of the story which now caters more and more to a mainstream TV audience giving us what we want and not necessarily what should happen (a prominent political manipulator's death in the last episode is a good example of this - the plot was childish and he should have seen it coming.)

    Everyone has fantasy favorites - someone above mentioned Midkemia and I'd love to see a series done in Feist's universe. It's been way too long since Betrayal at Krondor. But GOT's universe is also rich and could easily be done as a game up to and including an MMO.

    I'm still doubting that Target would already know about it unless the announcement is imminent... which seems unlikely.
    Gorwe
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    No one goes there nowadays, it's too crowded.

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  • MendelMendel Marietta, GAMember RarePosts: 1,765

    <snip>

    Despite my opinion that the TV series is nothing more than a glorified costume drama, I do believe that it should be remembered kindly by history. Despite it's many problems, GoT is probably the first, or at least the most popular, high quality fantasy series to grace the small screen. It is the first series that has shown us that just because it involves swords, shields, magic and dragons, it doesn't have to be cheesy as fuck and can involve high quality actors. I believe the series will open a door to future high quality series set in fantasy universes. 



    As for the game.....I hope it will just be Skyrim in a GoT universe. Set it just after the final TV series, and time the launch to come after that series ends and you've got a winner. There will be no existing story to compare it to, just a starting point, so we can go off and create our own stories. I don't think Bethesda have the talent to create a game that would allow us to play the Game of Thrones (i.e. far reaching plans, alliances, political intrigues, planning large scale battles and invasions etc) so my hope is that it'll be mostly sandboxy like Skyrim, allowing us to travel and experience most of the world. Maybe the main storyline is we're a bastard of a minor lord, recalled to service after the death of his father, tasked with rebuilding the house and finishing up with some fights against a neutral enemy (invading dothraki, northmen or whatever). 


    I like your observation of GoT as a costume drama.  It's just set in a fantasy setting.

    I'm not a huge fan of the books.  I think they focus a bit too much on the gritty and disgusting side of people.  There's a good reason that this series is pretty much the definition of the Grim Dark sub-genre.  That's not my preference.  As an additional disclaimer, I've not seen the TV show; I'm buying seasons when they're on sale.  So far, I have season one and two waiting for me.

    I agree that history is going to remember GoT as innovative and somehow more glorious than it is.  I see a lot of people thinking that GoT is going to start a massive trend towards adult fantasy television.  I shared similar thoughts over Babylon Five ten years ago.  I'm still waiting for another serious single SF story told over several seasons.  I consider GoT a spiritual descendant of that effort, only without requiring the fans to adopt unusual sleeping hours to watch.

    I've no real idea which way a game company would attempt to make a game based on GoT.  There are only a very few characters that survive and are interesting enough to follow.  I think the best approach is similar to LotRO, where players are surrounded by the main story.  Essentially, they are living in the world at the same time as the main story, with only vignettes of the story that we can only watch, but not interact with.  Without the high-level politics and intrigue, the world isn't all that interesting.  The big danger might be a lack of scope, making the game and the books/series into completely different animals.  A GoT game that didn't feel like GoT might not be as successful as one would think.

    I'd certainly be interested in seeing how this gets developed.


    Kyleran

    Logic, my dear, merely enables one to be wrong with great authority.

  • cameltosiscameltosis ipswichMember EpicPosts: 1,557
    Iselin said:


    The books......yeh, they're popular due to the TV series. They are good books, don't get me wrong, but nothing special in the world of fantasy. There is less drama and more high-level politics in the books - the books are actually far more intellectually stimulating that the tv series - but the world of westeros is pretty boring compared to most, the battles short lived, the races involved boring. It is simply that many of the things in the books are relatable, hence it getting made into a series. 




    Everyone has fantasy favorites - someone above mentioned Midkemia and I'd love to see a series done in Feist's universe. It's been way too long since Betrayal at Krondor. But GOT's universe is also rich and could easily be done as a game up to and including an MMO.

    Feist is actually my favourite author and I love his Rift series....I'm actually going through them all again at the moment. I also think they're a fairly good set of books to convert into a TV series:
    • Primarily revolving around humans
    • Involves people at all levels of society, from the king down to servants and slaves
    • Far reaching scope with plenty of plot twists
    • The multiple lands and worlds provide a wide array of cultures to show off
    They might struggle when it comes to stuff involving lots of goblins, or the lizard people that invade (saaur?) as I imagine the cost of the CGI would be enormous, but hopefully by that point the tech will be cheap enough. 
  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Nashville, TNMember EpicPosts: 2,219
    Sovrath said:
    Sovrath said:
    No offense, but who are you people?
    Skyrim not playable without mods?  Except most people played without mods.
    Bethesda doesn't make good games?  Except from a production value, storyline, interesting setting, good story, nice graphics, and game mechanics... yeah I guess you're right.
    Books more popular than the series? No.  Yes, units sold.  But, groups watch GoT - and half the books bought were Christmas presents that got thrown in the closet.

    I guess I just don't understand.

    Skyrim is VERY playable without mods.

    The only mods I ever use are those that create a bit more realism or those that add extra dungeons and items. I don't really change the core game at all.

    However, as Constantine said, Mods allow for longevity (like those extra dungeons).
    Wait, does Skyrim have a Macho Man mod??  I won't play a Bethesda game without being able to turn at least one enemy type into Macho Man and his Band of Randy Savages.
    lol "well it does".

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlJULk0f9xA
    Lmao I saw it as a Deathclaw mod for Fallout 4 and almost shit myself laughing.  Glad to see its a recurring theme for Bethesda mods!

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