why pve is better

nerovergilnerovergil klMember UncommonPosts: 629
edited August 12 in The Pub at MMORPG.COM
pvp in a nutshell

win

1. u play good
2. u feed but team play good
3. opponent play bad
4. lucky

lose 

1. u play bad
2. u play good but team feed like hell
3. opponent play good
4. bad luck

pve? win everything and roleplay in your mind
Post edited by nerovergil on
TheScavengerpostlarvalPhry
«1345

Comments

  • Loke666Loke666 KalmarMember EpicPosts: 20,571
    You forgot:
    Win
    You had better gear or higher level. The opposite for lose.

    But funny enough are the reasons you stated the ones I like PvP. It is the gear and level ones that makes PvE more fun, the rest are good reasons to PvP in my book.

    We basically still use Meridian 59s game mechanics in MMOs and while it for some reason became a popular PvP game it was built for PvE from the start. Almost all later MMOs as well are built for PvE with PvP added as an afterthought.

    Yes, there is Eve, SWG, DaoC, Guildwars and a few others that was made with PvP in mind from the start but the main mechanics of the genre are focused on providing good PvE.

    Now, if you look on FPS games it is a different matter. While Doom and most of the other games also were made with single player (and at times with 4 or so in multiplayer) they have moved away from that and now PvP is everything. The mechanics are made for that and you can see that the ones that still have a bit of PvE does it badly.

    You can't expect games basically built for PvE to provide fun PvP or at least as fun as a game built mainly for PvP. The point of most MMOs is to max out your level and get the best gear but goals like that work badly in a PvP game. For a PvP game you need a small powergap and other motivations for people to play, something FPS games have but most MMORPGs don't have.

    The one MMORPG I feel have best PvP goals is DaoC. Sadly with WAR they screwed up and went more to PvE styled motivation then improving what DaoC had set up.
  • HatefullHatefull Member RarePosts: 1,426
    pvp in a nutshell

    win

    1. u play good
    2. u feed but team play good
    3. opponent play bad
    4. lucky

    lose 

    1. u play bad
    2. u play good but team feed like hell
    3. opponent play good
    4. bad luck

    pve? win everything and roleplay in your mind
    MOBA PvP is not the only PvP...nor the best, imo.

    But whatever.
    PhryTorval

    If you want a new idea, go read an old book.

  • iixviiiixiixviiiix GSMember UncommonPosts: 1,349
    You can PVE in MOBA too
  • TheScavengerTheScavenger Matrix, NYMember RarePosts: 1,806
    wtf
    Phry

    My adult gaming and mods website (various games, adult mods, screenshots, stories and other games I play(ed) 

    http://nsfwgaming.wixsite.com/adultgamingandmods

    And my Youtube channel (for nature/relaxation/meditation videos)

    https://www.youtube.com/user/Vendayn


  • LackingMMOLackingMMO Tucson, AZMember UncommonPosts: 152
    Someone got rolled and came here to rant.
    nerovergilalivenHatefull
  • EldurianEldurian Member RarePosts: 1,412

    pve? win everything and roleplay in your mind
    The uncertainty of victory is precisely one of the reasons I prefer PvP. Victory isn't nearly as rewarding if it's guaranteed.
  • nerovergilnerovergil klMember UncommonPosts: 629
    Eldurian said:

    pve? win everything and roleplay in your mind
    The uncertainty of victory is precisely one of the reasons I prefer PvP. Victory isn't nearly as rewarding if it's guaranteed.
    i feel no point of winning in pvp...my salary still kitten..my dream girl still hate me so wwhat...
  • KellerKeller UtrechtMember UncommonPosts: 391
    Don't have good gear in PvE = kick from party
    Don't do enough dps in PvE = kick from party
    Fast Fast Fast , skip everything in PvE

    PvE usually comes with a very toxic community, with many egocentric/egoistic players. While in PvP usually you do try to have eachothers back.  
    Rhiow-DarkstepPhryalivenOctagon7711Hatefullforcelima
  • AAAMEOWAAAMEOW New York, NYMember UncommonPosts: 421
    probably if I really want to pvp only i won't be playing mmorpg.
  • DragnelusDragnelus UtrechtMember RarePosts: 1,814
    I like both! PvP and PvE and in some games I like the pve more and others PvP.
    Azaron_Nightblade


    DO NOT PRAY! If you pray, your hands will close together. You will not be able to fight!​​
  • DMKanoDMKano Gamercentral, AKMember LegendaryPosts: 16,250
    Cake vs Pie

    It's a personal preference - one, neither or both
    PhryKyleranTokkenborghive49
  • coretex666coretex666 PragueMember RarePosts: 3,167
    Thanks for sharing your subjective preference with us.
  • PhryPhry OxfordshireMember EpicPosts: 8,749
    DMKano said:
    Cake vs Pie

    It's a personal preference - one, neither or both
    This, claiming one or the other is the best is entirely subjective, PVE is not better than PVP and vice versa, about all you can do is argue about which one is the most popular which has absolutely nothing to do with being better than, but more to do with personal preference. :/
    Hatefull
  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Boca Raton, FLMember EpicPosts: 7,083
    Not until PvE actually uses something resembling semi-realistic AI.

    But by all means,  if standing 20 feet down a hall of "guards" who stand there while you "pull" them one at at time turns you on, go knock yourself out.

    "I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator

    Starvault's reponse to criticism related to having a handful of players as the official "test" team for a supposed MMO: "We've just have another 10ish folk kind enough to voulenteer added tot the test team" (SIC) This explains much about the state of the game :-)

  • Jean-Luc_PicardJean-Luc_Picard La BarreMember EpicPosts: 6,350
    Am I the only one who didn't even clearly understand the thread opening post because of abuse of gibberish pseudo-English ?
    gunklackerTorvalcameltosisPhry
    "The ability to speak doesn't make you intelligent" - Qui-gon Jinn in Star Wars.
    After many years of reading Internet forums, there's no doubt that nor does the ability to write.
    CPU: Core I7 7700k (4.80ghz) - GPU: Gigabyte GTX 980 Ti G1 Gaming - RAM: 16GB Kingston HyperX Savage DDR4 3000 - Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z270X-UltraGaming - PSU: Antec TruePower New 750W - Storage: Kingston KC1000 NVMe 960gb SSD and 2x1TB WD Velociraptor HDDs (Raid 0) - Main display: Philips 40PUK6809 4K 3D TV - Second display: Philips 273v 27" gaming monitor - VR: Pimax 4K headset and Razer Hydra controllers - Soundcard: Pioneer VSX-322 AV Receiver HDMI linked with the GPU and the TV, with Jamo S 426 HS 3 5.0 speakers and Pioneer S-21W subwoofer - OS: Windows 10 Pro 64 bits.
  • SpottyGekkoSpottyGekko JohannesburgMember EpicPosts: 6,438
    Keller said:
    ...

    PvE usually comes with a very toxic community, with many egocentric/egoistic players. While in PvP usually you do try to have eachothers back.  
    "While in PVP you shoot your team mates in the back".

    I'm playing Foxhole at the moment, and I've seen more antisocial behaviour there in the last 50 hours than I've seen in the last 3 years of PVE MMO gaming, lol

    Please tell me which PVE game has a more toxic community than something like League of Legends ? :D
    Azaron_NightbladedrivendawnTorvalgunklacker
  • Jean-Luc_PicardJean-Luc_Picard La BarreMember EpicPosts: 6,350
    edited August 12
    Keller said:

    PvE usually comes with a very toxic community, with many egocentric/egoistic players. While in PvP usually you do try to have eachothers back.  
    In my own experience since UO beta, it has been exactly the opposite. The majority of toxic players with a big ego problem came from the PvP community. Ganking defenseless players, the easier the kill the better, making it a sport of making newbies quit the game, and when beaten whining like little girls and asking for nerfs... you got it all there.

    Go figure.
    Post edited by Jean-Luc_Picard on
    Azaron_NightbladedrivendawnHatefullTorval
    "The ability to speak doesn't make you intelligent" - Qui-gon Jinn in Star Wars.
    After many years of reading Internet forums, there's no doubt that nor does the ability to write.
    CPU: Core I7 7700k (4.80ghz) - GPU: Gigabyte GTX 980 Ti G1 Gaming - RAM: 16GB Kingston HyperX Savage DDR4 3000 - Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z270X-UltraGaming - PSU: Antec TruePower New 750W - Storage: Kingston KC1000 NVMe 960gb SSD and 2x1TB WD Velociraptor HDDs (Raid 0) - Main display: Philips 40PUK6809 4K 3D TV - Second display: Philips 273v 27" gaming monitor - VR: Pimax 4K headset and Razer Hydra controllers - Soundcard: Pioneer VSX-322 AV Receiver HDMI linked with the GPU and the TV, with Jamo S 426 HS 3 5.0 speakers and Pioneer S-21W subwoofer - OS: Windows 10 Pro 64 bits.
  • majimaji CologneMember UncommonPosts: 2,079
    My opinion:

    PvE in MMORPGS is so-so. Most of the time it's insanely easy, you can facepalm yourself through the content, the only thing needed to get everything being the amont of time invested. Some MMORPGs have a good story, then it's fun, but they are the exception.

    PvE in other games: depends on the genre, but in general it's much better. Strategy games like Civilization can provide a great challenge, or games like Stardew Valley can keep you hooked with all the little storylines and characters.

    PvP in MMORPGs is basically always horrible, as it's mostly pay2win

    PvP in other games: well, that depends. DOTA2 is an example how to do it right. No P2W at all, everybody got the same chances and access to everything.

    Let's play Fallen Earth (blind, 300 episodes)

    Let's play Guild Wars 2 (blind, 45 episodes)

  • Jean-Luc_PicardJean-Luc_Picard La BarreMember EpicPosts: 6,350
    maji said:


    PvP in other games: well, that depends.
    When I want to PvP, I play Overwatch.
    "The ability to speak doesn't make you intelligent" - Qui-gon Jinn in Star Wars.
    After many years of reading Internet forums, there's no doubt that nor does the ability to write.
    CPU: Core I7 7700k (4.80ghz) - GPU: Gigabyte GTX 980 Ti G1 Gaming - RAM: 16GB Kingston HyperX Savage DDR4 3000 - Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z270X-UltraGaming - PSU: Antec TruePower New 750W - Storage: Kingston KC1000 NVMe 960gb SSD and 2x1TB WD Velociraptor HDDs (Raid 0) - Main display: Philips 40PUK6809 4K 3D TV - Second display: Philips 273v 27" gaming monitor - VR: Pimax 4K headset and Razer Hydra controllers - Soundcard: Pioneer VSX-322 AV Receiver HDMI linked with the GPU and the TV, with Jamo S 426 HS 3 5.0 speakers and Pioneer S-21W subwoofer - OS: Windows 10 Pro 64 bits.
  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Boca Raton, FLMember EpicPosts: 7,083
    maji said:


    PvP in other games: well, that depends.
    When I want to PvP, I play Overwatch.
    Glad you found a game you like.   Some of us actually enjoy PvP in an MMORPG... 
    MMORPGs after all are why we are on this site...

    hallucigenocide

    "I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator

    Starvault's reponse to criticism related to having a handful of players as the official "test" team for a supposed MMO: "We've just have another 10ish folk kind enough to voulenteer added tot the test team" (SIC) This explains much about the state of the game :-)

  • Azaron_NightbladeAzaron_Nightblade KingsmouthMember RarePosts: 4,034
    Keller said:

    PvE usually comes with a very toxic community, with many egocentric/egoistic players. While in PvP usually you do try to have eachothers back.  
    In my own experience since UO beta, it has been exactly the opposite. The majority of toxic players with a big ego problem came from the PvP community. Ganking defenseless players, the easier the kill the better, making it a sport of making newbies quit the game, and when beaten whining like little girls and asking for nerfs... you got it all there.

    Go figure.
    Pretty much, although I'd like to add that the hardcore raiders often suffer from the same massive ego issues that PvPers do. Granted, you're less likely to run into their attitude unless you join their guild.

    My SWTOR referral link for those wanting to give the game a try. (Newbies get a welcome package while returning players get a few account upgrades to help with their preferred status.)

    Feel free to send me a message if you want a guest pass to try Black Desert Online as well!

  • Jean-Luc_PicardJean-Luc_Picard La BarreMember EpicPosts: 6,350
    maji said:


    PvP in other games: well, that depends.
    When I want to PvP, I play Overwatch.
    Glad you found a game you like.   Some of us actually enjoy PvP in an MMORPG... 
    MMORPGs after all are why we are on this site...

    Until the moment you realize that PvP in most MMORPGs is unbalanced crap because of the progression system that is inherent to the RPG genre. When a level 40 has no chance in hell to beat a level 60, you know that aspect of the game is broken.

    WoW actually made PvP much better lately, by making gear mostly irrelevant. That's a good start... but of course, the "ego driven" PvPers won't like it that they can no longer crush newbies with their "hard earned" superior gear.
    Loke666GdemamiSlapshot1188Torval
    "The ability to speak doesn't make you intelligent" - Qui-gon Jinn in Star Wars.
    After many years of reading Internet forums, there's no doubt that nor does the ability to write.
    CPU: Core I7 7700k (4.80ghz) - GPU: Gigabyte GTX 980 Ti G1 Gaming - RAM: 16GB Kingston HyperX Savage DDR4 3000 - Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z270X-UltraGaming - PSU: Antec TruePower New 750W - Storage: Kingston KC1000 NVMe 960gb SSD and 2x1TB WD Velociraptor HDDs (Raid 0) - Main display: Philips 40PUK6809 4K 3D TV - Second display: Philips 273v 27" gaming monitor - VR: Pimax 4K headset and Razer Hydra controllers - Soundcard: Pioneer VSX-322 AV Receiver HDMI linked with the GPU and the TV, with Jamo S 426 HS 3 5.0 speakers and Pioneer S-21W subwoofer - OS: Windows 10 Pro 64 bits.
  • KabulozoKabulozo AracajuMember UncommonPosts: 531
    I like the whole package, when the pve and pvp happens on the same place like in Lineage.
    RebelRF
  • DMKanoDMKano Gamercentral, AKMember LegendaryPosts: 16,250
    Not until PvE actually uses something resembling semi-realistic AI.

    But by all means,  if standing 20 feet down a hall of "guards" who stand there while you "pull" them one at at time turns you on, go knock yourself out.

    I dont see a hall of guards, I see a a hall of +XP, and a room with a loot pinata (boss).

    Bottom line - mobs are either loot or XP pinatas. Smash them for rewards.

    The way these pinatas look is irrelevant, but I always make sure to find the optimal XP/time as some pinatas take too long to smash to be worth it.
  • someforumguysomeforumguy HomeMember UncommonPosts: 3,788
    PVE is better for OP. Not for every game, or everyone else.
Sign In or Register to comment.