Why are not more people playing this game here ?

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  • GolelornGolelorn Hiding From Social Media Peeping Toms, ALMember UncommonPosts: 1,291
    I looked into it. 30 dollars for what is effectively a mobile game is not worth it.
  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 14,398
    I think there are a ton of people playing this game, at least in the early zones. It's over crowded and unpleasant to my taste. So I don't agree with the OP at all and I would say this game is about as successful as their experience and hardware can handle, if not a little more so. Who knows if they'll keep them, but right now it's packed.
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  • Onji12Onji12 Creston, NCMember UncommonPosts: 1
    A mobile game with full loot pvp, no thanks. If I wanted to beat my head against the wall grinding I'd just pick up a Korean game.
  • RenoakuRenoaku Member RarePosts: 2,284
    edited August 4
    Torval said:
    I think there are a ton of people playing this game, at least in the early zones. It's over crowded and unpleasant to my taste. So I don't agree with the OP at all and I would say this game is about as successful as their experience and hardware can handle, if not a little more so. Who knows if they'll keep them, but right now it's packed.
    Well what they need to do IMO.

    - Make a 64 bit client version for computers like ESO has both a 32 bit and 64bit

    - Put in instances where zones of players load no more than maybe 50-100 players per map and chat, this would prevent over-crowding.

    And of course the good server hardware able to handle the connections, bandwidth, disk times etc.
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  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 14,398
    They could do that. There are tradeoffs for each of those suggestions that have consequences on the shape and vision of the game.
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  • BlazefireBlazefire Salt Lake City, UTMember UncommonPosts: 44
    I have been on the fence with this one... but honestly the graphics, and lack of deep PvE content is really what has been holding me back. I'm also thinking that the community, due to the nature of it being heavily PvP focused, is probably a toxic shit hole... where the top guilds will pretty much just dominate. This of course is just a hunch based off of previous experience in games similar to this... so correct me if I'm wrong.
  • BruceYeeBruceYee Member RarePosts: 984
    edited August 5
    Kopogeroo said:
    Primary reason sandbox MMORPG with player economy that also has ingame store where you can directly buy infinite printed currency (in this case gold) for $ is a simple and quick cash grab that will ruin the game in the long run. Otherwise I would've actually spend $ on it and tried it.
     At it's foundation, it's the same system that's used in EVE Online.  PLEX didn't ruin EVE Online, and Gold isn't going to ruin Albion Online.
    Also the gold to silver conversion isn't very good. You can farm large amounts of silver in-game even without going into full pvp zones. Buying gold can't pay to win because you have to actually play the game to level up everything on the destiny board in order to use the items you bought.

    @Kyleran - I have yet to see a single hardcore cheater in-game since the headstart. I've seen people using afk bot and possibly farming but that's about it.
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  • KyleranKyleran Paradise City, FLMember LegendaryPosts: 26,248
    BruceYee said:
    Kopogeroo said:
    Primary reason sandbox MMORPG with player economy that also has ingame store where you can directly buy infinite printed currency (in this case gold) for $ is a simple and quick cash grab that will ruin the game in the long run. Otherwise I would've actually spend $ on it and tried it.
     At it's foundation, it's the same system that's used in EVE Online.  PLEX didn't ruin EVE Online, and Gold isn't going to ruin Albion Online.
    Also the gold to silver conversion isn't very good. You can farm large amounts of silver in-game even without going into full pvp zones. Buying gold can't pay to win because you have to actually to play the game to level up everything on the destiny board in order to use the items you bought.

    @Kyleran - I have yet to see a single hardcore cheater in-game since the headstart. I've seen people using afk bot and possibly farming but that's about it.
    Well I've generally found while every MMORPG has cheaters they rarely impact my game play. 

    Of course,  I'm not in the top tier PVP portions of any game, mostly I try to carve out a niche for myself and provide support services where  I can.

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  • postlarvalpostlarval Member EpicPosts: 1,554
    Blazefire said:
    I have been on the fence with this one... but honestly the graphics, and lack of deep PvE content is really what has been holding me back.
    Not sure why you would be on the fence at all. There's no deep PvE in the game because it's not designed that way. It's never been a focus of the game.  PvE in AO is for training. 

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  • BruceYeeBruceYee Member RarePosts: 984
    Kyleran said:
    BruceYee said:
    Kopogeroo said:
    Primary reason sandbox MMORPG with player economy that also has ingame store where you can directly buy infinite printed currency (in this case gold) for $ is a simple and quick cash grab that will ruin the game in the long run. Otherwise I would've actually spend $ on it and tried it.
     At it's foundation, it's the same system that's used in EVE Online.  PLEX didn't ruin EVE Online, and Gold isn't going to ruin Albion Online.
    Also the gold to silver conversion isn't very good. You can farm large amounts of silver in-game even without going into full pvp zones. Buying gold can't pay to win because you have to actually to play the game to level up everything on the destiny board in order to use the items you bought.

    @Kyleran - I have yet to see a single hardcore cheater in-game since the headstart. I've seen people using afk bot and possibly farming but that's about it.
    Well I've generally found while every MMORPG has cheaters they rarely impact my game play. 

    Of course,  I'm not in the top tier PVP portions of any game, mostly I try to carve out a niche for myself and provide support services where  I can.
    When I saw the first video that was made for this game by Sandbox Int. and they were saying you can be anything you want to be I thought they were full of sh%! but it actually turns out they were spot on and delivered on that initial promise. Another thing about this game is that you can be 100% crafter gatherer and you aren't required to do anything else. IMO the most important part of this game is finding an ACTIVE guild preferably with a minimal number of a-holes. If you are interested in only PVE Thetford is a good city to choose for your island because you can reach almost every area of the map without ever going into hostile zones minus Caerleon.
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  • mgilbrtsnmgilbrtsn belleville, ILMember RarePosts: 3,033
    Tiamat64 said:
    Tiamat64 said:
    Coated said:
    Forced PVP makes me not play.
    Well, that's good because the game isn't designed for players like you.
    The topic is "Why are not more people playing this game here?"

    In which case, both "Forced PVP makes me not play" and "The game isn't designed for most players" are perfectly valid responses.  What's NOT a relevant response is that being good, because clearly the topic creator wants more people to play the game, thus clearly any reason that makes people NOT play the game, up to and including "the game isn't designed for many players" are things that need to be considered and at best, neutral or necessary evils to be accepted, not good.

    He (or she) said people on these forums are constantly wishing for a full-loot PvP game (second sentence, in case you missed it) so why are more not playing it? I don't think the OP was interested in people who don't want full-loot PvP. I may be wrong, but what would be the point of that second sentence then?


    In that case, pointing out that lots of people aren't constantly wishing for a full-loot PvP game will hopefully correct the OP's false assumption that lots of people are constantly wishing for it.

    In truth, only a small but very vocal minority are wishing for it (and even that might be an overstatement).  Such a thing clearly needs to be brought to the OP's attention in order to correct the false underlying assumptions or else the OP will forever be baffled why a game designed to appeal to a small niche only has a small niche for an audience.
    Believe it or not, there can be a lot of people who want full-loot pvp and there can be a lot of people who don't.  They are not mutually exclusive.  There are hundreds of thousands if not millions of players of all types of games.  The genre is able to support both player bases.

    This need for it to be either or is bizarre to me.  Like ppl say, I don't like the game for x reason (PvP, graphics, etc) are all valid.  However, you can't draw any conclusions about how this proves one point or another.  The player base is vast and can handle both trekkies and Star Wars fans.  It won't implode.

    Concentrate on enjoying yourself, and not on why I shouldn't enjoy myself.

  • Tiamat64Tiamat64 Member RarePosts: 806
    mgilbrtsn said:
    Tiamat64 said:
    Tiamat64 said:
    Coated said:
    Forced PVP makes me not play.
    Well, that's good because the game isn't designed for players like you.
    The topic is "Why are not more people playing this game here?"

    In which case, both "Forced PVP makes me not play" and "The game isn't designed for most players" are perfectly valid responses.  What's NOT a relevant response is that being good, because clearly the topic creator wants more people to play the game, thus clearly any reason that makes people NOT play the game, up to and including "the game isn't designed for many players" are things that need to be considered and at best, neutral or necessary evils to be accepted, not good.

    He (or she) said people on these forums are constantly wishing for a full-loot PvP game (second sentence, in case you missed it) so why are more not playing it? I don't think the OP was interested in people who don't want full-loot PvP. I may be wrong, but what would be the point of that second sentence then?


    In that case, pointing out that lots of people aren't constantly wishing for a full-loot PvP game will hopefully correct the OP's false assumption that lots of people are constantly wishing for it.

    In truth, only a small but very vocal minority are wishing for it (and even that might be an overstatement).  Such a thing clearly needs to be brought to the OP's attention in order to correct the false underlying assumptions or else the OP will forever be baffled why a game designed to appeal to a small niche only has a small niche for an audience.
    Believe it or not, there can be a lot of people who want full-loot pvp and there can be a lot of people who don't.  They are not mutually exclusive.  There are hundreds of thousands if not millions of players of all types of games.  The genre is able to support both player bases.

    This need for it to be either or is bizarre to me.  Like ppl say, I don't like the game for x reason (PvP, graphics, etc) are all valid.  However, you can't draw any conclusions about how this proves one point or another.  The player base is vast and can handle both trekkies and Star Wars fans.  It won't implode.
    None of what you just said changes, disputes, or is relevant to my statement that the full loot PvP audience is a small niche.  I never said there wasn't any room for the small niche or for the genre to support it so I'm not sure what the point of your post is.
  • SedrynTyrosSedrynTyros USMember EpicPosts: 1,801
    BruceYee said:
    Kyleran said:
    BruceYee said:
    Kopogeroo said:
    Primary reason sandbox MMORPG with player economy that also has ingame store where you can directly buy infinite printed currency (in this case gold) for $ is a simple and quick cash grab that will ruin the game in the long run. Otherwise I would've actually spend $ on it and tried it.
     At it's foundation, it's the same system that's used in EVE Online.  PLEX didn't ruin EVE Online, and Gold isn't going to ruin Albion Online.
    Also the gold to silver conversion isn't very good. You can farm large amounts of silver in-game even without going into full pvp zones. Buying gold can't pay to win because you have to actually to play the game to level up everything on the destiny board in order to use the items you bought.

    @Kyleran - I have yet to see a single hardcore cheater in-game since the headstart. I've seen people using afk bot and possibly farming but that's about it.
    Well I've generally found while every MMORPG has cheaters they rarely impact my game play. 

    Of course,  I'm not in the top tier PVP portions of any game, mostly I try to carve out a niche for myself and provide support services where  I can.
    When I saw the first video that was made for this game by Sandbox Int. and they were saying you can be anything you want to be I thought they were full of sh%! but it actually turns out they were spot on and delivered on that initial promise. Another thing about this game is that you can be 100% crafter gatherer and you aren't required to do anything else. IMO the most important part of this game is finding an ACTIVE guild preferably with a minimal number of a-holes. If you are interested in only PVE Thetford is a good city to choose for your island because you can reach almost every area of the map without ever going into hostile zones minus Caerleon.
    I recommended our guild settle in Thetford and I'm glad I did.  I think it still has the best prices for PC run vendors out of all the other cities. :)
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  • F2PlagueF2Plague Toronto, ONMember UncommonPosts: 87
    Selling currency in beta was a red flag. Just another shitty mobile cash grab at that point.
  • MoiraeMoirae New Orleans, LAMember RarePosts: 3,219
    Yeah, I paid the money and hated it almost from the moment it loaded. Wish I could get my money back. Everything about it feels wrong. It's a mobile game, not a true MMO. The camera view is insane. The graphics are incredibly primitive. There has to be more to it than that but I just really hated it. It doesn't help that not a tiny bit of it feels like Albion. 
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  • SedrynTyrosSedrynTyros USMember EpicPosts: 1,801
    Moirae said:
    Yeah, I paid the money and hated it almost from the moment it loaded. Wish I could get my money back. Everything about it feels wrong. It's a mobile game, not a true MMO. The camera view is insane. The graphics are incredibly primitive. There has to be more to it than that but I just really hated it. It doesn't help that not a tiny bit of it feels like Albion. 
    Blasphemy!  The game is perfect ... there's nothing wrong with it.  ;)
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  • FrammshammFrammshamm TokyoMember UncommonPosts: 278
    BruceYee said:
    Kyleran said:
    BruceYee said:
    Kopogeroo said:
    Primary reason sandbox MMORPG with player economy that also has ingame store where you can directly buy infinite printed currency (in this case gold) for $ is a simple and quick cash grab that will ruin the game in the long run. Otherwise I would've actually spend $ on it and tried it.
     At it's foundation, it's the same system that's used in EVE Online.  PLEX didn't ruin EVE Online, and Gold isn't going to ruin Albion Online.
    Also the gold to silver conversion isn't very good. You can farm large amounts of silver in-game even without going into full pvp zones. Buying gold can't pay to win because you have to actually to play the game to level up everything on the destiny board in order to use the items you bought.

    @Kyleran - I have yet to see a single hardcore cheater in-game since the headstart. I've seen people using afk bot and possibly farming but that's about it.
    Well I've generally found while every MMORPG has cheaters they rarely impact my game play. 

    Of course,  I'm not in the top tier PVP portions of any game, mostly I try to carve out a niche for myself and provide support services where  I can.
    When I saw the first video that was made for this game by Sandbox Int. and they were saying you can be anything you want to be I thought they were full of sh%! but it actually turns out they were spot on and delivered on that initial promise. Another thing about this game is that you can be 100% crafter gatherer and you aren't required to do anything else. IMO the most important part of this game is finding an ACTIVE guild preferably with a minimal number of a-holes. If you are interested in only PVE Thetford is a good city to choose for your island because you can reach almost every area of the map without ever going into hostile zones minus Caerleon.
    lol this guy doesnt get it yet. Its not that you dont have to be everything.. lol you can ONLY BE one thing. You cant be a crafter/gatherer.. you can only be one of those. VERY VERY niche/limited  gameplay for any one character. You can be specifically, a stone gatherer, or a wood gatherer, or a off hand torch crafter. But you cant be both or all three. Its similar to eve. SUre you can fly everything, but it will take you 450 years to fly everything well. Same with AO. You can do everything like ass, or you can do one thing well. The main difference between EVE and AO is that with that one thing in EVE that you are good at, you can actually have fun and do stuff in game. In AO, you can do your one limited thing if and only if you are supported by at least 8 other accounts and even with that, you still have to be lucky. The game is trash by design, from the ground up. Dead in 6 weeks like every other of their 9 iterations of beta.
    Gdemami
  • Tiamat64Tiamat64 Member RarePosts: 806
    edited August 6

    lol this guy doesnt get it yet. Its not that you dont have to be everything.. lol you can ONLY BE one thing. You cant be a crafter/gatherer.. you can only be one of those. VERY VERY niche/limited  gameplay for any one character. You can be specifically, a stone gatherer, or a wood gatherer, or a off hand torch crafter. But you cant be both or all three. Its similar to eve. SUre you can fly everything, but it will take you 450 years to fly everything well. Same with AO. You can do everything like ass, or you can do one thing well. The main difference between EVE and AO is that with that one thing in EVE that you are good at, you can actually have fun and do stuff in game. In AO, you can do your one limited thing if and only if you are supported by at least 8 other accounts and even with that, you still have to be lucky. The game is trash by design, from the ground up. Dead in 6 weeks like every other of their 9 iterations of beta.
    The sad thing is that while you are supposed to only be one thing, you can get multiple accounts and be everything, like lots of hard core players are doing.  It's the equivalent of "pay to circumvent the intended economical "You can't be everything" balance of the game."

    Not that there's much the developers can do about that, alas.  It's really one of those "Because there's no way to prevent anyone from using the obvious loophole, was it worth bothering with in the first place?  Maybe, maybe not." kind of things. Regardless of the answer to that question, though, it's not good for the game.
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  • TheocritusTheocritus Gary, INMember RarePosts: 5,361
    If theyre getting players to buy multiple accounts then isnt that more money for hte company? Isnt that how Eve drove up its numbers?
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  • NecroneusNecroneus CeutaMember UncommonPosts: 49
    If theyre getting players to buy multiple accounts then isnt that more money for hte company? Isnt that how Eve drove up its numbers?
    OOOOWWWWWHHHHH

    That hurts...

    I have to say that I bought the game, maybe it's not my taste, but I like it. That must say something when I hate confronting other players and an hostile environment like that.
  • RenoakuRenoaku Member RarePosts: 2,284
    If theyre getting players to buy multiple accounts then isnt that more money for hte company? Isnt that how Eve drove up its numbers?
    Well yeah in order to be a really successful farmer, or player you have to have multiple islands followed by multiple premium characters, even multiple accounts if you want to take that route.
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  • Tiamat64Tiamat64 Member RarePosts: 806
    edited August 6
    If theyre getting players to buy multiple accounts then isnt that more money for hte company? Isnt that how Eve drove up its numbers?
    Well yea.  That's one of the primary purposes of any pay-to-advantage-or-win mechanic.  However, in this case, it's probably unintentional (...or was it?!?)
    Post edited by Tiamat64 on
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  • BruceYeeBruceYee Member RarePosts: 984
    Frammshamm said: r
    BruceYee said:
    Kyleran said:
    BruceYee said:
    Kopogeroo said:
    Primary reason sandbox MMORPG with player economy that also has ingame store where you can directly buy infinite printed currency (in this case gold) for $ is a simple and quick cash grab that will ruin the game in the long run. Otherwise I would've actually spend $ on it and tried it.
     At it's foundation, it's the same system that's used in EVE Online.  PLEX didn't ruin EVE Online, and Gold isn't going to ruin Albion Online.
    Also the gold to silver conversion isn't very good. You can farm large amounts of silver in-game even without going into full pvp zones. Buying gold can't pay to win because you have to actually to play the game to level up everything on the destiny board in order to use the items you bought.

    @Kyleran - I have yet to see a single hardcore cheater in-game since the headstart. I've seen people using afk bot and possibly farming but that's about it.
    Well I've generally found while every MMORPG has cheaters they rarely impact my game play. 

    Of course,  I'm not in the top tier PVP portions of any game, mostly I try to carve out a niche for myself and provide support services where  I can.
    When I saw the first video that was made for this game by Sandbox Int. and they were saying you can be anything you want to be I thought they were full of sh%! but it actually turns out they were spot on and delivered on that initial promise. Another thing about this game is that you can be 100% crafter gatherer and you aren't required to do anything else. IMO the most important part of this game is finding an ACTIVE guild preferably with a minimal number of a-holes. If you are interested in only PVE Thetford is a good city to choose for your island because you can reach almost every area of the map without ever going into hostile zones minus Caerleon.
    lol this guy doesnt get it yet. Its not that you dont have to be everything.. lol you can ONLY BE one thing. You cant be a crafter/gatherer.. you can only be one of those. VERY VERY niche/limited  gameplay for any one character. You can be specifically, a stone gatherer, or a wood gatherer, or a off hand torch crafter. But you cant be both or all three. Its similar to eve. SUre you can fly everything, but it will take you 450 years to fly everything well. Same with AO. You can do everything like ass, or you can do one thing well. The main difference between EVE and AO is that with that one thing in EVE that you are good at, you can actually have fun and do stuff in game. In AO, you can do your one limited thing if and only if you are supported by at least 8 other accounts and even with that, you still have to be lucky. The game is trash by design, from the ground up. Dead in 6 weeks like every other of their 9 iterations of beta.
    Why are you misinterpreting what I wrote? I said you can be A crafter gatherer not EVERY crafter gatherer. I bought 3 premium 1 year subs at 6.99 a month which ends up being $21 a month total. Each character specializes in certain things and between all 3 I can have every corner of the destiny board covered. The $21 a month sub is a lot cheaper than a lot of other games I've played in recent years.

    also, you are not limited in how much fame you can earn per day just learning points. If you wanted to never use learning points it's entirely possible and won't take "450 years" like you are implying. Everyone has their own preference for how fast they want to progress in games. Just because the progression doesn't come instantly doesn't mean that the slow grind isn't fun for some people. I enjoy the speed of progression in this game and never feel the need to rush to do anything.

    All of your remarks about "only being one thing" makes me wonder if you've even played the game. I would be willing to give you my in-game name and you give me yours so we can meet to see if you can prove any of what you wrote because I am willing to entertain the idea that I may be wrong. If you don't feel comfortable posting your name here feel free to send it to me in a tell.

    Lastly, it is possible to never ever PvP in this game and minus the actual fighting experience get everything endgame players get soley with PVE. PVP in this game is optional and not a requirement. There are many roads to the end and not all of them are paved with the blood of the pk'd. The zones themselves are unique enough and filled with PVE content even more so than some PVE focused games.

    A few tips if you are interested in only PVE.

    Step 1 - Look at the destiny board and figure out what you want to progress.

    Step 2 - Find an active guild with like-minded players. There are some PVE only guilds.

    Step 3 - Find out the best way to achieve your goals solely with PVE by either figuring it out yourself or with the help of guildmates.
  • RidelynnRidelynn Fresno, CAMember EpicPosts: 6,028
    I looked into it. 

    I'm only interested in PVE for the most part. I don't care about PVP Sandbox oriented games at all, I don't mind some sandboxiness in my games, but I'm mostly a carebear theme park goer. I'm really not interested in a game where I'm more or less stuck unless I happen upon a Guild to take me under their wing, and for me, the more story and lore in a game, the more I tend to get drawn to it.

    I'm ok with the graphics. I think the cross-mobile thing has a lot of potential. 

    I'm not paying a box fee to find out if I like the game or not though. Particularly since I'm not very fond of most Sandbox games out there.
  • LackingMMOLackingMMO Tucson, AZMember UncommonPosts: 187
    Love full loot pvp, I'm on the fence about this one because its targeted to mobile users as well which screams downgrade to me. I think 30 is too high for a mobile game, ill wait till it goes on sale If I haven't found anything by that time. Isometric view is ok with me but not my favorite either.
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