Bot Infestation

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  • RenoakuRenoaku Member RarePosts: 2,418
    edited July 21
    Xiaoki said:
    So, is the only defense against Albion having bots on day 1 really that you people dont like the OP?

    Is personal attacks and insults going to be your answer for every problem facing Albion going forward?

    I dont give a single care what the OPs history with the game is because that is not at all relevant to the discussion at hand.
    Well at least a few people maybe more think I actually purchase currency here, and no one likes a liar / cheater, and given many people I see who actually get banned for cheating in online games like actual cheating, I can understand the few people who have doubts.

    And also every game has its fans if I understand correctly, some people really love a company so much they try to protect it finding fault in everything else but what a game company should have done, and also things like opinions about a game.

    And yeah my problem with this game is reading the news, and visiting their website to see a bunch of cheaters in game I backed in 2014, and played I believe in 2013, I told them they really needed to increase security, and have a decent Anti-Cheat before release, but I am guessing it failed to do this because it is a small indie company out of Germany, im not saying all games from there are bad, but GMBH kinda means this  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gesellschaft_mit_beschr%C3%A4nkter_Haftung which I am still trying to understand the whole legal thing, but I am assuming this is why they couldn't afford to make the game a bit more secure before release just not having the proper funding, but I wish they would have done it right, heck before the ban and all I would have even forked over more money to this company to help provide a better anti-cheat and all that if they ran a kick starter and needed the funding and were willing to use something reputable...

    Xiaoki said:
    So, is the only defense against Albion having bots on day 1 really that you people dont like the OP?

    Is personal attacks and insults going to be your answer for every problem facing Albion going forward?

    I dont give a single care what the OPs history with the game is because that is not at all relevant to the discussion at hand.
    Which online game that you play has zero bots?  Actually, I'll rephrase that; which online game that you play do you believe has zero bots?  I know the answer to the first question so no need to ask that.

    As far as personal attacks and insults, what are you talking about?  If somebody is caught cheating, pointing that out is not meant as a personal insult, at least not by me.

    And how is a poster's history with a game not relevant when they're trying to bash that game?  I'd say it's very relevant.

    Seems like your entire post was mostly hot air.
    Um actually a lot of them I play don't have bots, its mostly Korean based games, and Albion so far that I see with a lot of bots, but I don't play games from Korea anymore and have been sticking to the MOBA type such as League OF Legends, PUBG, Crow Fall, Ashes OF Creation, and a few of the newer upcoming games, sure there are cheaters in every game, but you gotta trust your players that no one is going to cheat in any way at least you can't accuse someone without proof, but I bet that everyday someone cheats a game even if they don't mean to by using a simple macro that presses two keys for them instead of one action and that in most games is cheating.

    And yeah I complain because of both reasons because of getting banned which is absurd saying id purchase gold from a 3rd party and because of the Bots and Cheaters which they could have taken care of during beta?

    As for how big the cheaters are just take a look here although you can't review the censored forum section, there is a list of cheaters, and hackers that list is quite huge, id say its a big problem.
    https://forum.albiononline.com/index.php/Board/80-Report-Cheats-and-Exploits/

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  • RenoakuRenoaku Member RarePosts: 2,418
    edited July 21
    IceAge said:
    Renoaku said:
    "Hi Renoaku,

    normally, we would not comment on these cases. But as you are being very public about it across various forums, we'd like to make a short statement. 

    Your in-game chatlogs, and the identity of the account that gave you the gold, leaves us with no doubt that you did indeed purchase gold from a 3rd party website. The fact that account who gave you the gold even said "Hi, I'm delivery" does not help, either. 

    Note that these 3rd party websites are often involved in account hacking and credit card fraud, so the damage they cause is extensive. 

    Buying gold from 3rd party websites is clearly forbidden by our terms and conditions, and always has been. On top of that, it is also forbidden in essentially any other game that we are aware of."

    Read more at http://forums.mmorpg.com/discussion/462334/before-you-buy-this-game-read-the-terms-of-service

    This was their public statement on the matter.  So the question is, do I believe their statement or yours?  And the answer: theirs.  They don't seem like the type of developer to ban paying customers without good cause.  They believe that you purchased gold from a 3rd-party site and that's probably what happened.  And the fact that you keep trying to foment outrage over this game only makes you look more guilty to me.
    Yeah a log that says "Im Delivery" no discussion of buying illegal currency for real money or anything because we were in Comms outside of the game which is why it broke game rules, I handed over items in Arche Age, and they handed me currency in Albion.


    Last time I heard the line "Hi! I'm delivery" was when I bought some Adena in Lineage 2 way .. waaay back :)

    So yeah! You did used a 3rd party website in order to receive the in-game money. It doesn't matter you "traded" goods from ArcheAge to Albion. All it matters is that you used a 3rd party website to receive in-game money.

    PS: From my experience ( :) ) , gold websites do not trade items from one game to another. IF , that is happened, then you sold them items in ArcheAge for X price, then they said "Your ArcheAge items worth 100$. We can give you 5k in Albion for 100$. Agree?". Then you said "Yes!" Well .. this is the part when you broke the rules. Both in ArcheAge and Albion.

    ...actually, you kinda deserve to be banned from ArcheAge too. Maybe someone from here will report you :) 

    Bum! :) 

    PS2: No, I won't. I have better things to do ( Playing D3 ) then reporting you to ArcheAge. 


    Yeah i have never known any RMT website to whisper or walk up or whsiper and say Im delivery, because way back in 2005 when I really first began the biggest MMO game Lineage 2, come to think of it I actually did purchase currency for Real Money, and when they delivered it to me they would just tell me in live chat to meet them at the arena then trade me, back then I never got banned or any warnings but this is like before it became highly illegal and noticeable, but eventually I was made aware of how much damage it did and never purchase currency anymore from 3rd parties.

    There are also certain gold websites that do trade items across games, because I used one of them back in like 2005 when I traded Currency from Lineage 2 to RF Online, an old game I used to play without the use of Real Money.

    There are also steam groups dedicated to trading across games, and friends who trade across games without using Real Money, and Technically "Bit Coin" is also not also a real currency.

    So Yeah I am not saying I possibly didn't get currency from an illegal source in Albion, its possible that someone used a 3rd party to give me currency or whatever when I did exchange across games or someone was involved in it I just assumed that everything was legit, and missed the part in the agreement that says you can't trade across games, because after all in any game if a game has trading you should be able to freely do whatever you want with your items IMO, as long as not with Real Money, this is not to say I fully hate RMT, I hate illegal gold sellers and sites that sell things illegally and commit fraud absolutely, but what a couple of Individual friends do in Real Life is their business.

    And sometimes poeple are dishonest about things, but when your like me and you end up giving away over $2,000 USD in free game items to other users because your like me and you quit Arche Age never to return, sure absolutely some people do give away stuff at least I did, I could have kept it all but I decided to give back to people who likely used it more.
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  • BruceYeeBruceYee Member RarePosts: 1,090
    edited July 21
    The accusations of botting are being exaggerated. Nothing compared to Aion at launch or many other eastern games. People are mostly complaining about bots in low tier zones but there are so many of those zones and resources in this game are almost unlimited because of their fast respawn rate. If you bot in V you lose % of materials if you get killed and if you get killed in VI you lose it all.

    If you want to see the proof for anything I wrote above just go into the /help channel in-game and you will see accusations for all sorts of things that end up holding no weight and can be attributed to lack of knowledge about the game.
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  • SedrynTyrosSedrynTyros USMember EpicPosts: 2,003
    As for how big the cheaters are just take a look here although you can't review the censored forum section, there is a list of cheaters, and hackers that list is quite huge, id say its a big problem.
    It could be a problem if it goes completely unchecked, but I have a feeling they've planned for this scenario given that every MMO with currency has this issue.  Whether or not it's game breaking will depend on how well they can mitigate it, but they'll never be able to stop it all; no game manages to do that.
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  • BruceYeeBruceYee Member RarePosts: 1,090
    As for how big the cheaters are just take a look here although you can't review the censored forum section, there is a list of cheaters, and hackers that list is quite huge, id say its a big problem.
    It could be a problem if it goes completely unchecked, but I have a feeling they've planned for this scenario given that every MMO with currency has this issue.  Whether or not it's game breaking will depend on how well they can mitigate it, but they'll never be able to stop it all; no game manages to do that.
    They were able to fix the queue problem in 1 day which was very impressive so I expect they'll be able to deal with cheaters if it ever becomes a real issue.
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  • RenoakuRenoaku Member RarePosts: 2,418
    edited July 21
    As for how big the cheaters are just take a look here although you can't review the censored forum section, there is a list of cheaters, and hackers that list is quite huge, id say its a big problem.
    It could be a problem if it goes completely unchecked, but I have a feeling they've planned for this scenario given that every MMO with currency has this issue.  Whether or not it's game breaking will depend on how well they can mitigate it, but they'll never be able to stop it all; no game manages to do that.
    I hope so I want to see every one of those cheating scumbags banned assuming they are the reason I got banned in the first place too would make my day.

    edit: and yeah I know I cheated too in a way accpeting a trade across those games but this is two different types of cheating, ones unintentional but has taught me to be more careful now that I know some games have this policy, and the other is intentional bots / cheaters who use programs to gain unfair advantage something that is the worst thing someone can do I think in a game.
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  • ArawulfArawulf Guest Writer Freeland, MIMember UncommonPosts: 586
    When I first saw this post my initial reaction was, "this is normal." All new MMO's are attacked by the bot machine since these games are a new source of revenue for the gold sellers. As long as there are people that will do RMT, like the OP did, they will stay in business. 
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  • KyleranKyleran Paradise City, FLMember LegendaryPosts: 26,885
    Xiaoki said:
    So, is the only defense against Albion having bots on day 1 really that you people dont like the OP?

    Is personal attacks and insults going to be your answer for every problem facing Albion going forward?

    I dont give a single care what the OPs history with the game is because that is not at all relevant to the discussion at hand.

    Well the thing is the OP didn't create  this thread to discuss botting, this is just his daily slam Albion thread which serve as vehicles to discuss yet again his favorite topic, how he was unfairly banned from the game.

    We are then treated to massive walls of text in post after post with the same "defense" which he's posted again and again.

    Despite all his anger what he desires most is to be let him back into the game. He even said just yesterday he was considering hiring a "service" which promised to get players unbanned.

    So don't be surprised everyone is ignoring the botting question, we all know what the real subject is. 

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  • KyleranKyleran Paradise City, FLMember LegendaryPosts: 26,885
    IceAge said:
    IceAge said:
    Renoaku said:
    "Hi Renoaku,

    normally, we would not comment on these cases. But as you are being very public about it across various forums, we'd like to make a short statement. 

    Your in-game chatlogs, and the identity of the account that gave you the gold, leaves us with no doubt that you did indeed purchase gold from a 3rd party website. The fact that account who gave you the gold even said "Hi, I'm delivery" does not help, either. 

    Note that these 3rd party websites are often involved in account hacking and credit card fraud, so the damage they cause is extensive. 

    Buying gold from 3rd party websites is clearly forbidden by our terms and conditions, and always has been. On top of that, it is also forbidden in essentially any other game that we are aware of."

    Read more at http://forums.mmorpg.com/discussion/462334/before-you-buy-this-game-read-the-terms-of-service

    This was their public statement on the matter.  So the question is, do I believe their statement or yours?  And the answer: theirs.  They don't seem like the type of developer to ban paying customers without good cause.  They believe that you purchased gold from a 3rd-party site and that's probably what happened.  And the fact that you keep trying to foment outrage over this game only makes you look more guilty to me.
    Yeah a log that says "Im Delivery" no discussion of buying illegal currency for real money or anything because we were in Comms outside of the game which is why it broke game rules, I handed over items in Arche Age, and they handed me currency in Albion.


    Last time I heard the line "Hi! I'm delivery" was when I bought some Adena in Lineage 2 way .. waaay back :)

    So yeah! You did used a 3rd party website in order to receive the in-game money. It doesn't matter you "traded" goods from ArcheAge to Albion. All it matters is that you used a 3rd party website to receive in-game money.

    PS: From my experience ( :) ) , gold websites do not trade items from one game to another. IF , that is happened, then you sold them items in ArcheAge for X price, then they said "Your ArcheAge items worth 100$. We can give you 5k in Albion for 100$. Agree?". Then you said "Yes!" Well .. this is the part when you broke the rules. Both in ArcheAge and Albion.

    ...actually, you kinda deserve to be banned from ArcheAge too. Maybe someone from here will report you :) 

    Bum! :) 

    PS2: No, I won't. I have better things to do ( Playing D3 ) then reporting you to ArcheAge. 


    wow talk about petty, love these forums... wonder why  its dying..
    ...what?
    come on m8,  "hope someone reports you can get banned both games"  obviously egging the dude on
    No worries, he enjoys the attention, it's why he creates these same threads over and over.

    I'm thinking of offering the Albion devs $100  to restore his account.  ;)
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  • RenoakuRenoaku Member RarePosts: 2,418
    edited July 21
    Kyleran said:
    Xiaoki said:
    So, is the only defense against Albion having bots on day 1 really that you people dont like the OP?

    Is personal attacks and insults going to be your answer for every problem facing Albion going forward?

    I dont give a single care what the OPs history with the game is because that is not at all relevant to the discussion at hand.

    Well the thing is the OP didn't create  this thread to discuss botting, this is just his daily slam Albion thread which serve as vehicles to discuss yet again his favorite topic, how he was unfairly banned from the game.

    We are then treated to massive walls of text in post after post with the same "defense" which he's posted again and again.

    Despite all his anger what he desires most is to be let him back into the game. He even said just yesterday he was considering hiring a "service" which promised to get players unbanned.

    So don't be surprised everyone is ignoring the botting question, we all know what the real subject is. 

    Well yeah the botting is a huge problem, and the censorship is why I brought it over here to begin with I really hate companies that hide and censor posts when I see them, one of the great reasons I like this site, and yes I've been keeping up with this game and whats going on because I am very curious to how everything turns out, didn't create this whats it called thread originally to discuss bans but someone brought it here lol.

    And to slam this game absolutely I will slam them for banning my account anyways because I know I didn't purchase currency as they claim, if they would have told me I got banned for breaking the trading across games rule or outside of the game I wouldn't be as upset as I am now.

    And yes I did talk about hiring a 3rd party service to write my appeal letters for me because I suck at those, but im not sure its legitimate I know theres a lot of reviews for Unbanservice and advertised online.

    And to be honest if I wanted to lie about everything I could have just not said anything and later claimed my account was hacked after my IP address changed and gotten it back that way I know this because people who lie actually do it, but I choose to be honest to them and tell them exactly what I did :3.

    Kyleran said:
    No worries, he enjoys the attention, it's why he creates these same threads over and over.

    I'm thinking of offering the Albion devs $100  to restore his account.  ;)
    Attention not really, its just really upsetting to know i lost 4 years of my time and money to a company that bans over a trade because their agreement does say, and obviously I can't be lying about this under 4.5.1 accepting large amounts of currency or items with nothing in return, we will assume you broke this rule.

    And as soon as they hintied that I purchased currency and that it came from fraudulent sources which I can only take their word for it I did offer to pay them the Equal Real Dollar Value amount to get unbanned just to prove I wouldn't purchase from fraudulent sources which actually comes out to around $500 USD if purchased with real currency because the person gave me 50k twice, and another 50k when I told them it wasn't going to be enough to do what I wanted to do with it and then a week later I was hit with the ban but if I remember correctly it was the same person so I believed everything to be legitimate at the time.

    So no I don't think the company honestly cares about your money I could be wrong but I did offer to pay them $500 just to have my account back.

    Like obviously I have no problem purchasing 100 Apex, heck I could start playing EVE again and buy 28 or 30 PLEX right now or even Albion again and just throw in $500 right now if I wanted, but I don't want to risk the ban again even if I don't do anything wrong again they threatend to ban me again if I make a new account.

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  • SedrynTyrosSedrynTyros USMember EpicPosts: 2,003
    edited July 21
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  • ForgrimmForgrimm Somewhere in TimeMember EpicPosts: 2,745
    Yup, he'll keep going and going and going...until he gets banned from these forums also. Then he'll start posting on some other site about how he was unfairly banned from mmorpg.com
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  • RenoakuRenoaku Member RarePosts: 2,418
    edited July 21
    Forgrimm said:
    Yup, he'll keep going and going and going...until he gets banned from these forums also. Then he'll start posting on some other site about how he was unfairly banned from mmorpg.com
    Well im not the one who keeps brining up all the discussions about the ban if you go read up to the very original post its some people who choose to bring it up assumnig that the reason im posting here is because of slamming a game due to a ban...

    If I was still playing the game the only difference is I would be on their forums arguing and telling them to fix bots but given the censorship even without the ban I would have to come over here and post it anyways );.
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  • KyleranKyleran Paradise City, FLMember LegendaryPosts: 26,885
    Forgrimm said:
    Yup, he'll keep going and going and going...until he gets banned from these forums also. Then he'll start posting on some other site about how he was unfairly banned from mmorpg.com
    Interestingly enough they don't really appreciate it here when people bring their moderation issues from other games or forums.

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  • NycteliosNyctelios Novo Hamburgo - RS - BrazilMember EpicPosts: 2,257
    I just want to point that @Renoaku is actually quite reasonable person. After all I said both bots and he are shitty and he clicked on agree.
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  • WizardryWizardry Ontario, CanadaMember EpicPosts: 13,194
    There is a very big picture but i haven't the energy to explain it all,not like most would understand anyhow or even care or usually when someone doesn't understand they say "idc".

    There is a problem within gaming,devs lie a LOT,devs are lazy and cheap and deceptive at the same time,they do a little bit of policing and caring about their games but not nearly enough.

    A lot of players are ruining games as well,from simple things like spamming chat to rmt activity.This is where the big picture lies but like i said i am not about to explain the whole process and ins and outs and why's.Partly it is poor game design,actually a LOT is poor game design that feeds it,supports it and encourages it.

    Do i pretend to have the prefect answer?Oh hell no but i am not out there pretending to either nor am i running an ongoing MMO that is thinking of ways to grind money out of gamer's.There is no question what so ever developers do NOT have enough GM's or enough activity or CARE within their staff to properly police and PREVENT their games from being abused/exploited and ruined.
    I could sum it all up VERY easily and i have said it a thousand times,game developers are a BUSINESS first and a passionate game developer second.

    It is a failed formula that will NEVER give us the best possible games to play.

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  • RenoakuRenoaku Member RarePosts: 2,418
    edited July 22
    Wizardry said:
    There is a very big picture but i haven't the energy to explain it all,not like most would understand anyhow or even care or usually when someone doesn't understand they say "idc".

    There is a problem within gaming,devs lie a LOT,devs are lazy and cheap and deceptive at the same time,they do a little bit of policing and caring about their games but not nearly enough.

    A lot of players are ruining games as well,from simple things like spamming chat to rmt activity.This is where the big picture lies but like i said i am not about to explain the whole process and ins and outs and why's.Partly it is poor game design,actually a LOT is poor game design that feeds it,supports it and encourages it.

    Do i pretend to have the prefect answer?Oh hell no but i am not out there pretending to either nor am i running an ongoing MMO that is thinking of ways to grind money out of gamer's.There is no question what so ever developers do NOT have enough GM's or enough activity or CARE within their staff to properly police and PREVENT their games from being abused/exploited and ruined.
    I could sum it all up VERY easily and i have said it a thousand times,game developers are a BUSINESS first and a passionate game developer second.

    It is a failed formula that will NEVER give us the best possible games to play.
    So is it always true that developers don't care like the developers of "Ashes OF Creation" seem to care a lot about their game, or is that just for business and income?

    I don't see a lot on crow-fall but I don't check that one out much lately.

    It seems to me like some developers and artists would care about their creations somewhat, then there are artists like Sakimichan who makes a lot doing art?
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  • SedrynTyrosSedrynTyros USMember EpicPosts: 2,003
    Renoaku said:
    Wizardry said:
    There is a very big picture but i haven't the energy to explain it all,not like most would understand anyhow or even care or usually when someone doesn't understand they say "idc".

    There is a problem within gaming,devs lie a LOT,devs are lazy and cheap and deceptive at the same time,they do a little bit of policing and caring about their games but not nearly enough.

    A lot of players are ruining games as well,from simple things like spamming chat to rmt activity.This is where the big picture lies but like i said i am not about to explain the whole process and ins and outs and why's.Partly it is poor game design,actually a LOT is poor game design that feeds it,supports it and encourages it.

    Do i pretend to have the prefect answer?Oh hell no but i am not out there pretending to either nor am i running an ongoing MMO that is thinking of ways to grind money out of gamer's.There is no question what so ever developers do NOT have enough GM's or enough activity or CARE within their staff to properly police and PREVENT their games from being abused/exploited and ruined.
    I could sum it all up VERY easily and i have said it a thousand times,game developers are a BUSINESS first and a passionate game developer second.

    It is a failed formula that will NEVER give us the best possible games to play.
    So is it always true that developers don't care like the developers of "Ashes OF Creation" seem to care a lot about their game, or is that just for business and income?

    I don't see a lot on crow-fall but I don't check that one out much lately.

    It seems to me like some developers and artists would care about their creations somewhat, then there are artists like Sakimichan who makes a lot doing art?
    I'm guessing every other game developer is superior in your mind to the one who caught and banned you for real money trading.
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  • RenoakuRenoaku Member RarePosts: 2,418
    edited July 22
    Renoaku said:
    Wizardry said:
    There is a very big picture but i haven't the energy to explain it all,not like most would understand anyhow or even care or usually when someone doesn't understand they say "idc".

    There is a problem within gaming,devs lie a LOT,devs are lazy and cheap and deceptive at the same time,they do a little bit of policing and caring about their games but not nearly enough.

    A lot of players are ruining games as well,from simple things like spamming chat to rmt activity.This is where the big picture lies but like i said i am not about to explain the whole process and ins and outs and why's.Partly it is poor game design,actually a LOT is poor game design that feeds it,supports it and encourages it.

    Do i pretend to have the prefect answer?Oh hell no but i am not out there pretending to either nor am i running an ongoing MMO that is thinking of ways to grind money out of gamer's.There is no question what so ever developers do NOT have enough GM's or enough activity or CARE within their staff to properly police and PREVENT their games from being abused/exploited and ruined.
    I could sum it all up VERY easily and i have said it a thousand times,game developers are a BUSINESS first and a passionate game developer second.

    It is a failed formula that will NEVER give us the best possible games to play.
    So is it always true that developers don't care like the developers of "Ashes OF Creation" seem to care a lot about their game, or is that just for business and income?

    I don't see a lot on crow-fall but I don't check that one out much lately.

    It seems to me like some developers and artists would care about their creations somewhat, then there are artists like Sakimichan who makes a lot doing art?
    I'm guessing every other game developer is superior in your mind to the one who caught and banned you for real money trading.
    Well I don't talk to a lot of developers but the ones I actually talk to sometimes in discord seem to be really into game design and like their work, that is why I am wondering if its always about money.

    And its hard for me to judge the developer Korn, or whatever his name is because I really don't know them, I just think they are a jerk for assuming that I would purchase really currency and not really reviewing anything I sent them besides the logs that are on their server, and yeah I absolutely understand what it looks like or can look like from his view of things so its not like I hate them, but I really dislike their company for not actually taking the time to review what I sent them and I hate lies so saying I purchased gold when I exchanged across games really does upset me.

    I really don't have anything bad to say about the developer who accused me I just think its a jerk move to believe that a 4 year backer would purchase currency like this, and feel that if it were other companies which its happend a couple of times over the years they generally take a look at things and don't immediately ban your account, I am not saying I don't like they are taking a hard stance against cheating because I absolutely do, just saying that sometimes 1% of the time they don't entirely make the right decision thats all.

    Out of my entire gaming history never been banned for life from any service by any developer even in the couple of games where I was accused of RMT, and even when I did break a rule or something that was minor like in World OF Warcraft when I was like 15 years old and told a guy to f*** off the GM just warned me and told me not to use that word.

    Edit, and yeah I think the developers too could have done a better job before releasing this game with something better to deal with cheaters like and anti-cheat, and prevent fraud issues with gold sellers, because those dishonest scumbags are what ruins the economy when they have to use illegal methods to cheat, keep in mind I don't mean like RMT in games where its allowed or not banned on but rather those who use hacks to do what they do in albion, or commit fraud.
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  • StoneRosesStoneRoses Seattle, WAMember UncommonPosts: 1,478
    Renoaku said:
    So I was reading on the Albion Forums, and the post got censored, but at least it got moved to the Cheaters section, although this company is still covering up and censoring many posts, I have never in my life seen a MMORPG Company do this and I've played many, like I understand its within their right to remove posts, messages, etc, but I have never seen a company remove and censor so many complaints, or anything they define as too negative.

    But since they tried to censor it I will post it here, this game has a serious problem just as I said it would its full of Bots, and Cheating Scum which currently the company can't do anything other than IP ban people but there is no protection or Anti-Cheat as much as I dislike some Anti-Cheats this game could have used a reputable one like "Battleye" or "Easy Anti Cheat", as well as some server code to prevnet unauthroized clients from logging in.

    I won't discuss cheating websites here because its illegal obviously, but there are already lots of hacks, videos, even open sourced bots that are open to the public and I think this is a major problem that they did not curve the cheating and do something to at least improve server side detection and bots before release of the game. I do not recommend, or encourage anyone to cheat in any game that are no words to how people doing such intentionally really pisses me off.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgaKT1u6PzA

    But it also pisses me off that this company released this game like this, let down all its backers, screwed me over as a backer, and currently censors their forums to try to prevent it from being exposed about how open it is to cheating with no address about it either other than the gold sellers ban the other day post by them.
    You took the RISK!
    You pulled out your credit card like you pulled out on your prom night only for you to share what an overachiever you are!
    And now, we are all stuck hearing about how bitter and miserable you are every fucking thread!

    You could have gotten an abortion.
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  • IceAgeIceAge SomeWhere In .. RomaniaMember RarePosts: 1,701
    Renoaku said:
    Kyleran said:
    Xiaoki said:
    So, is the only defense against Albion having bots on day 1 really that you people dont like the OP?

    Is personal attacks and insults going to be your answer for every problem facing Albion going forward?

    I dont give a single care what the OPs history with the game is because that is not at all relevant to the discussion at hand.

    Well the thing is the OP didn't create  this thread to discuss botting, this is just his daily slam Albion thread which serve as vehicles to discuss yet again his favorite topic, how he was unfairly banned from the game.

    We are then treated to massive walls of text in post after post with the same "defense" which he's posted again and again.

    Despite all his anger what he desires most is to be let him back into the game. He even said just yesterday he was considering hiring a "service" which promised to get players unbanned.

    So don't be surprised everyone is ignoring the botting question, we all know what the real subject is. 

    Well yeah the botting is a huge problem, and the censorship is why I brought it over here to begin with I really hate companies that hide and censor posts when I see them, one of the great reasons I like this site, and yes I've been keeping up with this game and whats going on because I am very curious to how everything turns out, didn't create this whats it called thread originally to discuss bans but someone brought it here lol.

    And to slam this game absolutely I will slam them for banning my account anyways because I know I didn't purchase currency as they claim, if they would have told me I got banned for breaking the trading across games rule or outside of the game I wouldn't be as upset as I am now.

    And yes I did talk about hiring a 3rd party service to write my appeal letters for me because I suck at those, but im not sure its legitimate I know theres a lot of reviews for Unbanservice and advertised online.

    And to be honest if I wanted to lie about everything I could have just not said anything and later claimed my account was hacked after my IP address changed and gotten it back that way I know this because people who lie actually do it, but I choose to be honest to them and tell them exactly what I did :3.

    Kyleran said:
    No worries, he enjoys the attention, it's why he creates these same threads over and over.

    I'm thinking of offering the Albion devs $100  to restore his account.  ;)
    Attention not really, its just really upsetting to know i lost 4 years of my time and money to a company that bans over a trade because their agreement does say, and obviously I can't be lying about this under 4.5.1 accepting large amounts of currency or items with nothing in return, we will assume you broke this rule.

    And as soon as they hintied that I purchased currency and that it came from fraudulent sources which I can only take their word for it I did offer to pay them the Equal Real Dollar Value amount to get unbanned just to prove I wouldn't purchase from fraudulent sources which actually comes out to around $500 USD if purchased with real currency because the person gave me 50k twice, and another 50k when I told them it wasn't going to be enough to do what I wanted to do with it and then a week later I was hit with the ban but if I remember correctly it was the same person so I believed everything to be legitimate at the time.

    So no I don't think the company honestly cares about your money I could be wrong but I did offer to pay them $500 just to have my account back.

    Like obviously I have no problem purchasing 100 Apex, heck I could start playing EVE again and buy 28 or 30 PLEX right now or even Albion again and just throw in $500 right now if I wanted, but I don't want to risk the ban again even if I don't do anything wrong again they threatend to ban me again if I make a new account.

    Wow man! ( I really spelled that in real life ) .

    That's all I have to say :)

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  • HatefullHatefull Member RarePosts: 1,474
    Renoaku said:
    "Hi Renoaku,

    normally, we would not comment on these cases. But as you are being very public about it across various forums, we'd like to make a short statement. 

    Your in-game chatlogs, and the identity of the account that gave you the gold, leaves us with no doubt that you did indeed purchase gold from a 3rd party website. The fact that account who gave you the gold even said "Hi, I'm delivery" does not help, either. 

    Note that these 3rd party websites are often involved in account hacking and credit card fraud, so the damage they cause is extensive. 

    Buying gold from 3rd party websites is clearly forbidden by our terms and conditions, and always has been. On top of that, it is also forbidden in essentially any other game that we are aware of."

    Read more at http://forums.mmorpg.com/discussion/462334/before-you-buy-this-game-read-the-terms-of-service

    This was their public statement on the matter.  So the question is, do I believe their statement or yours?  And the answer: theirs.  They don't seem like the type of developer to ban paying customers without good cause.  They believe that you purchased gold from a 3rd-party site and that's probably what happened.  And the fact that you keep trying to foment outrage over this game only makes you look more guilty to me.
    Yeah a log that says "Im Delivery" no discussion of buying illegal currency for real money or anything because we were in Comms outside of the game which is why it broke game rules, I handed over items in Arche Age, and they handed me currency in Albion.

    Also I am quite sure what if there were actual "In Game Chatlogs" as he says about me purchasing currency he would have disclosed them here, but instead all he has is a log that say "Im Delivery", or a person there to deliver / trade with me which is not illegal, and if by any chance the person who traded with me was connected to some illegal website, or did something illegal as they said, then its not my responsibility to know this information, I just assume that 99% of players are legitimate and I take their word for that they play the game legally, if at any point I notice someone illegally sells items  aka a gold seller I report them.

    And I never called the developer a liar because I can only take their word just as they could take mine that they are telling the truth that the person I traded with did something illegal, which I would have never knowingly taken part in, and having a clean account for 4 years should prove that.

    To me its not a matter of taking sides of who is right and who is wrong its a matter of this company screwing its founders over trading in a game that allows trading, if 3rd parties or other people are illegally doing something then they should stop it before I ever traded with a person who was breaking the rules with illegal hacks or whatever they use to obtain the currency in the first place.

    And yes I am outraged because I purchased $100 for my original founders, and $74 in additional purchases prior to getting banned for just accepting a trade of all things, 
    not for being toxic, not for using bots, exploits or actual hacks who wouldn't be upset with the amount of time invested into a game and trust in a company, and if for sakes of argument I did purchase gold illegally then I would be complaining about it to them and getting my money back from them as well.

    If in fact I had purchased currency, then they would sure have a lot more evidence to back up the claim than just a couple of transactions in a single time period, or at least review what I sent them like 3 times in a support ticket proving my claims.

    I honestly don't care about being barred from their game, its the principle of wasting $174, and time within a company I thought could be trusted, and having to file a complaint with the Better Business better business bureau, the other day, I honestly don't want to play a game filled with hackers anyways id rather just them refund what I spent and be on my way if they are going to show this much disloyalty to its customers, or give me access to what was paid for because its truthfully not my fault someone else would choose to commit illegal actions on their own..

    And I know this statement isn't going to help my case, 
    But any user like me knows what "TOR" is, and what a VPN is, as well as Free WI-FI, put these together and your untraceable, given my knowledge in this I think its pretty easy to assume that if I myself wanted to supply my own self with unlimited gold, and fraudulent currency on my own, I could, and could avoid being tracked, truthfully given the security of this game company its all not really that hard to do so I understand their frustration when Gold Sellers solicit and sell gold using stolen information, its not something I would ever support.

    Also if the developer had real proof to back up his claims, he would have responded to my PM on MMORPG, their forums, or any of the 5 or so support tickets filed over a period of months, but obviously there isn't actual proof, only the fact that the other person might have been illegally involved in selling gold, or distributing fraudulent currency which I would not have been aware of.

    And meanwhile the real cheaters choose to cheat, and bot this game, even account sharing via cheating is easy by using RDC (Remote Desktop Connection) people do it and get away with it, I never have cheated only accepted a bad trade, and I am really curious to how a person can be held responsible for such, what if I purchased currency illegally from a site for real, then trade this currency to other players through the market, or in direct trade for some items or something, who is responsible then, just myself or the other players who may or may not have known.

    I know I am really upset about it all, but I have never had a company go this low to apply a life time ban just for accepting any type of trade even the couple of times that accepting a trade came from an illicit source without knowledge the items were just removed and I didn't care.
    So...you admit to cheating, discussion over. You cheated, you got caught, you got what you deserve. End of story.
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  • MrMelGibsonMrMelGibson USAMember EpicPosts: 2,357
    edited July 22
    I find it funny a guy who was banned and I'm assuming isn't playing this game at the moment is bringing attention to a games launch.  A launch he didn't participate in lol.  Kid sees one youtube video and his mind is blown.
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  • RenoakuRenoaku Member RarePosts: 2,418
    Hatefull said:
    So...you admit to cheating, discussion over. You cheated, you got caught, you got what you deserve. End of story.
    Well trading in the game isn't exactly cheating its an allowed game mechanic.

    The only thing that broke a rule is accepting a large amount of currency across two games which I clearly had no idea was actually in the rules because if you go look on the Albion Online forums it only says paying Real Money is illegal, Bit Coins, Favors, and Exchanging across games is not real money.

    Its a simple case of not seeing it in the rules because it updated since I originally purchased and even read the agreement many years ago, and I really don't like the fact that they hold people guilty before innocent when a person trades or receives a large amount of items it says it right there in their own Terms.

    But a Life Time ban for simply accepting a couple of trades in a single day one time in 4 years of playing seems a little much (Especially during beta).
    Excession
  • RenoakuRenoaku Member RarePosts: 2,418
    I find it funny a guy who was banned and I'm assuming isn't playing this game at the moment is bringing attention to a games launch.  A launch he didn't participate in lol.  Kid sees one youtube video and his mind is blown.
    More than just a YouTube video of a few bots and gotta remember that I played for 4 years on and off until the launch of the game which last beta they banned the account.

    I would give specific information for the cheats to prove but its against the forum rules highly although I can tell you that if you look up cheats or hacks on YouTube, and Google you will pretty much find what I am talking about.

    And if I were legally allowed to test the security of their servers against fraud working for a testing company I bet I could show how easy it is to commit fraud on their game which is what all these illegal gold sellers are doing, swap it to silver, and sell it to other people very easy to do and not get arrested in Real Life even if living in the states that is how bad it is, although asking a security expert who knows about this they would likely tell you the same thing.

    There are however things and measures the game company or SBI can do to help prevent that type of activity by limiting new accounts on gold purchases until there have been no charge-backs for a set amount of time this would prevent people from illegally doing this type of activitiy and putting in trust systems, or removing the entire ability to trade gold to silver directly, just making it silver to gold trades but gold can't be switched back or imposing limits so only silver changed to gold can be changed back to silver.

    This prevents bots and illegal companies from doing this.
    Excession
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