Fame farming makes Million-Dollar tournament a farce

Jenny2Jenny2 CopenhagenMember Posts: 37

12 players on the tournament server are selected each month based on fame, which can easily be gained by simply killing a friends character or a character in a second account repeatedly neer a teleport, like middle camp on Dark C, to avoid the 15-minute limit on gaining fame from the same character by using the teleport between kills.

I posted this in the forums, but it was quickly deleted.  I posted it again the next day when I knew Slappy was in the forums because he had just made a post and they didn't delete it, but made a quick reply and then locked the thread.

On my servers, I can go through the logs and see all activity, and I don't see why they can't do the same to identify fame farming. 

The player I watched fame farm is still in the top 12.  I have screenshots, but I think I'll just wait until he wins the million to post them, lol.  Anyway, he's not the only one in the top 12 doing it.

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My post on the RYL.net forums that was deleted:

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Why are you allowing fame farming on the tournament server?

I logged out while near Middle Camp on Dark C, so when I logged in the next day, I was at first unseen by one of the players in the top 10 of the tournament who was nearby.

I watched as a series of characters arrived and ran directly towards him and were killed by him.

I headed towards the teleport and as soon as he saw me he exited.

I'm wondering why you don't go through the logs each day to identify fame farming in the tournament and disqualify those players?

Don't tell me to send screen shots and report it--it's not up to players to police a million dollar tournament--that's your job.  Besides, what would be fair about that since I'm sure he's not the only one doing it.  If you aren't capable of identifying fame farming, then I'd say you've got a bigger problem than I imagined.

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Another players reply, which they also deleted:

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The reason this occurs at the teleporters is that you can leave dark carn immediately after being killed and then return via teleporter. This resets the timer so you can kill without waiting 15minutes and still gain fame.
This eliminates the need to move to a remote place on the map and continually relog to reset the timer. As many players on the server are not even eligible to win the prize, this only promotes fame farming.
These are know exploits that have been around since Open Beta, PWG has decided not to change the programming with the exception of extending the timer which is easily defeated.
Fame Farming and exploitation is one of the main reasons why many have chosen not to play on the Tournament server. Players are willing to use exploits in the regular game to their benefit, are you surprised they would do the same for 1 million dollars?
 

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  • HatorianHatorian Los Angeles, CAMember Posts: 164

    Well I think Fame Farming is done by those player who don't play fare. maybe PWG didnt see this problem.
    Im also in the tournament, Now I know how to get to these so called "Top 12" If they do this Fame farming I'm going to do it to. Well if you can't beat them join them. This Top 12 will not be there anymore if we all do this Fame Farming.

    Im Amazed..... NOT!!!

  • dopefish18dopefish18 los angeles, CAMember Posts: 163

    i am aware of the tournament and their rules and regulations...but can anyone tell what this fame farming is all about????....is a cheat on the game???,....u eman RYL tournament is not fair????::::06::

    dont u dare start playing MMORPG unless u want to be hooked

  • iveria18iveria18 los angeles, CAMember Posts: 123

    i've heard about this fame farming 3 days after i joined RYL tournament...i can say that it is really a cheat...but still i dont understand how did they do that...i'm still wondering what it will cause to the tourney...

    P2P is good but i need free games :D

  • Aqua_GirlAqua_Girl Los Angeles, CAMember Posts: 51

    "Fame farming is not allowed on any of the servers , on the turny server players caught using that tatic risk the removal of all their fame as well as account(s) banned from that server"

    I asked your question from the other message board site and ^^ thats his answer's well if you can give some names of people who are doing this maybe they can investigate about this thing.

    Good Day...

  • iveria18iveria18 los angeles, CAMember Posts: 123

    if this so called "fame farming" is not allowed in the tournament, then why are these players keep on using that tactic???....are developers aware on this problem???

    P2P is good but i need free games :D

  • JorevJorev Fenwick Island, DEMember Posts: 1,500

    Companies that offer contests, giveaways, sweepstakes etc. usually have to abide by certain standards and practices varying by state in the US, in order to prove they are not fixed and are fair.

    Since the RYL contest is open to residents of the US and Canada, you may want to contact the government agency in your state that monitors these types of activities. You could start by contacting the state's attorney's office in your state and filing a complaint.

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  • simplyjamessimplyjames dana point, CAMember Posts: 12

    the only problem is that you can't get fame off someone if you have over 100 fame and they have less than 100 fame. so yes you can get 100 fame by 'farming' but after that you need to kill other players to get the fame, or get fame (over 100) on a character then farm off them... which is usless.

    so no you can't really fame farm and cheat your way up to the top 12

    oh and one more thing, if you kill someone in less than 15 mins from the last time you killed them... no fame making it even harder to 'fame farm'

  • JelloB2000JelloB2000 NAMember CommonPosts: 1,848


    Originally posted by simplyjames
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    oh and one more thing, if you kill someone in less than 15 mins from the last time you killed them... no fame making it even harder to 'fame farm'


    Originally posted by Jenny2
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    The reason this occurs at the teleporters is that you can leave dark carn immediately after being killed and then return via teleporter. This resets the timer so you can kill without waiting 15minutes and still gain fame. (...)

    Already answered in the first post by Jenny2 (which I quoted above).

  • Jenny2Jenny2 CopenhagenMember Posts: 37



    Originally posted by simplyjames

    the only problem is that you can't get fame off someone if you have over 100 fame and they have less than 100 fame. so yes you can get 100 fame by 'farming' but after that you need to kill other players to get the fame, or get fame (over 100) on a character then farm off them... which is usless.
    so no you can't really fame farm and cheat your way up to the top 12
    oh and one more thing, if you kill someone in less than 15 mins from the last time you killed them... no fame making it even harder to 'fame farm'


    The 100 fame rule was only implemented about half way through the month, which is why some of the top 12, who got their fame by farming, haven't gotten any more fame, but they're still in the top 12.

    Even with that rule, you just need friends with 100 fame to farm off of.

    Yes, I've got names and screenshots, but I'm not a cop, I'm a player, and it's not my job to prevent fame farming/cheating--that's the job of the company running the contest.  Casinos don't count on gamblers to catch cheaters for them, and this is the same thing.

    I hope one of the farmers wins the million, then I'll publish the screenshots of how he did it.

    I'm not eligible for the tournament myself, so no skin off my back.

  • _RYL__RYL_ RYL Community Manager Costa Mesa, CAMember Posts: 31

    Fame farming is indeed not allowed. The GM staff is working very hard to maintain the integrity of the tournament and take action against fame farmers. If you do happen to be in-game when such an event occurs, please notify one of the GMs so we can take action.

    RYL Community Manager
    RYL:Path of the Emperor
    jenny@planetwidegames.com
    http://www.ryl.net
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  • Jenny2Jenny2 CopenhagenMember Posts: 37



    Originally posted by _RYL_

    Fame farming is indeed not allowed. The GM staff is working very hard to maintain the integrity of the tournament and take action against fame farmers. If you do happen to be in-game when such an event occurs, please notify one of the GMs so we can take action.



    Saying fame farming is not allowed is not adequate to meet your legal obligations.  You should have a way to identify it and stop it, but you don't.  You just keep asking for players to report it--as I said, we're players, not cops--it's your job to catch cheaters.

    How can you run a fair tournament if you can't even catch cheaters?  This should have been worked out thoroughly before the tournament began.

    The cheaters are still in the top 12. 

  • _RYL__RYL_ RYL Community Manager Costa Mesa, CAMember Posts: 31

    Planetwide Games does have a way to identify and stop fame farmers and other activities that can be seen as cheating. We continuously have staff in-game on the tournament server to prevent events like this from happening.

    We do not ask other players to be a "policing" force. If they do however happen to see someone, we ask if they would at the very least notify us so we can act on the situation immediately and make the game better for them and other players.

    RYL Community Manager
    RYL:Path of the Emperor
    jenny@planetwidegames.com
    http://www.ryl.net
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  • Jenny2Jenny2 CopenhagenMember Posts: 37

    Yes, I would think you would be able to go through the logs and see who did it.

    So how come there are still cheaters in the top 12?  No one has been kicked out, and there's just a week left in this month's tournament competition.

    People tried to report one of them when it was happening, but there was no GM online, in spite of the promise that there would be GM's on the tournament server 24/7.

    Many of those in the top 12 have gained no fame since the rule changes in the middle of the month made it more difficult to fame farm.

    Basically, the first month was a fiasco.  I hope with the changes and starting everyone at level 60, there won't be an opportunity for people to cheat next month.  It also might help if you kicked this month's cheaters out now as a warning to those planning on cheating next month.

    It would have been better to have this discussion in the RYL.net forum, but GM's there deleted one thread and locked another, so I had to start this thread here.  They should think again before they censor people just because they're critical of something.

  • SiphonsSiphons Knoxville, TNMember Posts: 445

    wow, evil company!! RYL should join SOE or something, wow.

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  • _RYL__RYL_ RYL Community Manager Costa Mesa, CAMember Posts: 31

    Jenny,

    I appreciate your criticism in this matter and assure you, the PWG staff is looking into the matter closely.

    RYL Community Manager
    RYL:Path of the Emperor
    jenny@planetwidegames.com
    http://www.ryl.net
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  • sphinxersphinxer hillsoboro, ORMember Posts: 53

    Well... doesn't really matter in the end... because it takes more than fame farming to win the semis and finals... so I don't think a fame farmer could win if that's all he/she is good at...::::10::

  • emreyuceemreyuce istanbulMember Posts: 7
    wow thats good..

    aaa

  • kagarakagara st. Catharines, ONMember Posts: 6

    I got out of this game quickly and swithced to Lineage 2. There is nothing that is good about RYL at all. The GM's are power hungry nazi's who like to prove how powerful they are by banning people left and right. The forums are strictly watched and any kind of anti RYL or anything that might make the game look less than perfect is immediately removed and banned.

    PWG will never receive money from me ever again. This is the worst company to ever enter into the mmorpg genre, and even the slim chance of winning 1mil is not even worth it in a game that would rather just make rules than change the program to stop exploiters. I actually don't believe that they have any programmers working for them anymore since they can't change fundamental exploits in game to stop griefing and the like.

    This is the first pvp mmorpg that could not control how pvp happend through programming. This is a way in which L2 is superior to all other pvp games (even better than UO).

    If your still wasting your time on this pos, then I suggest you try picking up a copy of L2, and try it for yourself. I didn't try it forever because of the negative hypes surrounding it, but when I went to EB games it was only $20 so I said wth and picked it up to try it. I haven't stopped playing since. Yeah there are adena farmers and some prices are way inflated on things... but the game itself is wonderful.

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  • _RYL__RYL_ RYL Community Manager Costa Mesa, CAMember Posts: 31

    The GM staff is far from power hungry and has a strict set of rules in which they must follow. If there was an incident with one of the GMs, it could have been reported and dealt with immediately. Planetwide Games takes great lengths to make sure our customers are satisfied.

    PWG also keeps a close eye on individuals who attempt to exploit bugs in the game, and they are dealt with accordingly. The GM team is in-game 24/7 to insure players and take action against any player griefing.

    PWG's programmers are working to fix bugs in the game, in cooperation with Youxiland based out of Taiwan. We are working to fix issues in the game as quickly as possible.

    It is unfortunate that we will no longer see you in-game at RYL: Path of the Emperor, but we wish you luck with whatever game you decide to play.


    RYL Community Manager
    RYL:Path of the Emperor
    jenny@planetwidegames.com
    http://www.ryl.net
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  • kagarakagara st. Catharines, ONMember Posts: 6

    And, there are RYL employees who will do their damned best to try and make it out like RYL does no wrong in all public forums.

    So if you're serious about mmorpg, RYL is the worst choice you can make. Youxiland knows nothing about the genre, and put the bare essentials in it so they could get people to subscribe to their game. I haven't met anyoen who has experience in any other mmorpg and thought Ryl did anything in the game well.

     

    Of course the reposnse will soon be following from someone from the RYL staff. But I think if they are going to continue to spread their "nothign to see here, we're gonna fix it" propaganda, it might be more effective if actual gamers ever defended the game and did not have to rely on people form the staff to defend it always.

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  • _RYL__RYL_ RYL Community Manager Costa Mesa, CAMember Posts: 31

    I am not here to "make it out like RYL does no wrong in all public forums." I am here to inform people who may have questions and shed some light on information about RYL: Path of the Emperor that some people may not be privy to. I am a staff member, as it clearly shows in my signature, and forums title. There is nothing to hide here.

    RYL has over 8 million subscribers, and we here at Planetwide Games are continually working to make improvements on our game. Constructive criticism is always welcomed.


    RYL Community Manager
    RYL:Path of the Emperor
    jenny@planetwidegames.com
    http://www.ryl.net
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  • Marvel'sBroMarvel'sBro sunnyvale, CAMember Posts: 1

    Open exploitation and cheating continues in month 2 of this Tourney! It is a total joke and PWG does nothing to stop these exploiters and cheats.

    Players who are not allowed to win the tournament are permitted to enter. The join in a party with their friends and gain fame during pvp. They change nations to be enemy and then allow their friends to kill them and take their fame. PWG does nothing!

    Players are allowed to switch nations without limitations. PWG does nothing!

    Players are allowed to switch guilds without limitations. PWG does nothing!

    There are many other ways that fame(the only thing needed to continue in the tournament) can be gained through cheating and exploiting. These exploits have been known to PWG since Beta and yet nothing is done. No player has ever been banned for this behavior. But if you flame PWG in forums or ingame, the banstick comes out!

    Beware of this "Tournament" it is not being conducted in a fair manner and now alpha testers who have and obvious advantage of having tested these exploits are being allowed to play in the tournement server. STAY AWAY!! You have been warned.

     

     

  • _RYL__RYL_ RYL Community Manager Costa Mesa, CAMember Posts: 31

    Marvel'sBro,

    Planetwide Games is aware of certain exploits as well as those players who try to take advantage of them. Action is being taken, and as I mentioned in another post, the tournament server is being watched very closely. You, as well as the other players, are not privy to certain information due to the fact of you are not an employee of RYL. We are well aware of what some players are trying to do, and rest assured that it is being taken care of.

    RYL Community Manager
    RYL:Path of the Emperor
    jenny@planetwidegames.com
    http://www.ryl.net
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  • Dark-$ageDark-$age MelbourneMember Posts: 81

    "PwG is taking care of the situation and bleh bleh bleh"

    we are not PwG employees so we are not privy to some info, well, are we privy to any information at all? its not ur money that we spend to play this game, its our money and just patting us on the back and telling us to come back later while people are exploiting their way to the mil isnt good enough imo.

     

    "RYL has over 8 million subscribers, and we here at Planetwide Games are continually working to make improvements on our game. Constructive criticism is always welcomed."

    What a twisted statement.

    1. RYL has maybe 8mil subscribers overall, but there are many versions of RYL, not just PoTE. This figure also includes accounts from the closed and open betas for all RYL games (RYL 1 malay, ryl2 malay, ryl1 na, ryl: PoTE na, ryl 1 korea, ryl 1 indonesia, etc etc) it also includes trial accounts and secondary accounts for players. For the RYL: PoTE version, id say there are 1k active subscribers... maybe.

    2. While PwG can suggest improvements, they dont code the game, so they cant actually fix any of the in-game problems. It's up to Youxialnd whether PwG gets for us what the players need or not.

    3. Constructive critism isnt always welcomed, although PwG mostly follows that statement, i have seen threads that are legitimally sound according to forum rules but yet have been deleted for different reasons.

  • sphinxersphinxer hillsoboro, ORMember Posts: 53

    They might get deleted from public view... but the GMs can put it in the 'trash' section and can review it there before it's totally deleted...

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