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Signs you should stay away from a player in MMOs?

Question2Question2 aMember Posts: 43 Uncommon
edited April 14 in The Pub at MMORPG.COM
What are yours? Personally, the following triggers red flags for me :

  • He never (or almost never) responds to attempts at communication unless he wants help from you.

You can see that he is in town running around, but he doesn't respond to PMs. Never says anything in party chat except to ask for heals or that he wants an item. When he does respond, he usually acts super nice and apologetic (oh sorry man, I missed all your messages! I swear!) but right after you finish helping him, he goes right back to ignoring you. Basically, he's like the kids you knew in school who would only talk to you when they wanted to copy your homework.

Sometimes, players genuinely miss your messages because they are busy or perhaps there's a bug and he never got your message. But if a certain player somehow has a "chat UI bug" that causes him to miss your messages...which nobody else in the game has ever heard of...and which only happens when he doesn't want your help...it's pretty obvious he is doing it on purpose.

This is by far, the biggest red flag for me and almost always indicate that the player has some kind of problem (personality problem, etc). Especially if they go to the trouble of crafting an elaborate lie to try and cover it up.

E.G. The last player that I saw do this (refuse to respond) proceeded to troll a friend of mine by fake bidding in an auction (bidding using gold that he didn't have) to drive up the price for the seller. From what I understand, he won the auction, then admitted he didn't have the gold and the item went to the second highest bidder, but the second highest bid was still far higher than it would have been if he hadn't been helping the seller to drive up the price. Said problem player also tried to get rid of his reputation by starting a new character and went to the trouble of getting his IRL friends to lie that he was a totally different person, among other stunts.

  • He wants help from you, but never helps you in return.

He wants help with a quest, but when you ask him to help you with a quest, he makes tons of lame excuses like "It's too far away", "I can't be bothered" or "My pool is on fire". While leeches tend to be pretty obvious and hard to avoid unless you heard about them before hand, don't bother helping them the second time round after it becomes obvious they will never, ever, help you in return unless it benefits them in some way.

Usually says things like "I don't want to help your party do a raid because I already have everything I want from it" and tries to join the biggest, most well geared guild that he can purely for the benefits and will guild hop the moment a better alternative presents itself. Cancerous for guilds as they will rob the guild storage when they inevitably decide it is in their best interest to do so.

Harder to avoid : The type that pretends to be nice and comes up with plausible excuses for never helping you. I once met a guy who would be really nice to me, but whenever I tried to invite him for a raid or quest, he would always claim to have JUST started a dungeon right as I messaged him. After the fourth time he used this excuse, he stopped bothering with it, admitted he wasn't busy and that he just didn't want to do it.

Excuses to watch out for :

-I don't want to do this raid/quest/whatever (but he's happy to do it with others that he sees as more valuable, like his guild members)

-I'm going to log off soon (but he starts doing raids for the next hour, and when you ask him about it, he makes more excuses)

-I don't have any of those mats to sell you, sorry (but he has tons of them for sale on the marketplace at a much higher price)

-Anything in general that seems far too coincidental, like "coincidentally" missing your messages every single time you message him. Except when he messages you to help him for something. Or "forgetting" a promise for the 5th time.

  • He obviously doesn't care about you except for your ability to help him play the game.

E.G. You tell him that you have a headache, but he still keeps pestering you to do a raid because the party needs a healer. He doesn't see you as anything other than a tool to help him progress. He probably will not even talk to you unless he needs you to help him with something, nor will he help you with anything unless its to help you complete a pre-req quest so that you can help him with a raid or something.

Warning signs :

-Doesn't even bother to reply when you say hi to him. Even if you are in the same guild or in the same party.

-Doesn't bother to reply when you try talking to him about anything that doesn't involve his progression in the game, or just replies with generic one liners like "ok", "idk" or "yea".

-Doesn't care if you are sick, having any problems, etc. May claim to care, but usually stops responding right after. This includes in game problems like being scammed, etc.

-Usually incapable or unwilling to hold a conversation to save his life.

May pretend to be nice to you, but only while you are useful to him (This can be difficult to tell till it is too late). The most obvious sign of this is when he takes a break from the game, and stops responding to you on discord or whatever (or he totally blows you off)....until he is back and needs your help with the new content. Then he becomes super friendly again.

  • He wants to do whatever he wants, even if that involves screwing other people over.

Think Leroy Jenkins, except that it isn't staged. Wants to go into a difficult raid without gear on because he thinks it would be hilarious (Look guys! I'm doing this raid while naked! LOL isn't that hilarious?!). Thinks nothing of dropping out of a raid party mid run because he was invited to another raid that he prefers. Would rather try to DPS the boss as a healer rather than heal the tank because he wants to prove that healers can DPS. Wants to bring his undergeared alt to a raid he's not geared for, because it's easy xp for him, and doesn't care that it means that the rest of the party has to do most of the work.

Usually doesn't bother to reply when people try to talk to him about it or just responds with rudeness when they try. Just doesn't care much about others.
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  • Question2Question2 aMember Posts: 43 Uncommon
    edited April 15
    • He goes out of his way to piss people off.

    Similar to the above, but he is doing everything on purpose to get a reaction out of people. Deliberately uses flimsy excuses because he knows that they will piss people off even more (I totally didn't mean to try to scam you, I swear! I just accidentally tried to trade the wrong item! For the 3rd time!).

    Pretends to accidentally type insulting PMs in open chat, "man, [player name] is such a noob" followed by "oops that was meant to be a PM!".

    Short lived trolls are dumb and make it too obvious to -everyone- what they are doing, and usually get bored and quit fairly quickly. Long lived trolls pick their targets and only troll a small amount of people at once, while pretending to be Mr Nice Guy with his guild or people on his friend list (AKA people of use to him). When confronted by his targets, usually uses his guild/friends as shields and pretends to be innocent, that everything was a misunderstanding, that his guild can testify that he is a nice guy, etc. Always comes up with plausible excuses for everything he does (That wasn't me, it was my cousin, I swear!), and usually his guild/friends don't care as long as he is helping them with the game.

    Long lived trolls are cancerous and smart enough to not do anything obviously illegal to get banned (at least, not on his main account). Unfortunately the only thing you can do is stay away from them...but it's best to stay away from them even if you aren't their target. Sure,

    he's not doing anything to you...for now at least. But why bother associating yourself with a troll when there are plenty of other players you could play with? You, or one of your friends, might always be the next target...

    • He seems far too nice for no clear reason, and/or is only nice to certain types of people.

    He always goes out of his way to praise people and butter them up, or gives lots of free stuff to people. The people he does this to are usually the best geared players on the server, or people related to said best geared players. He might help a newbie if asked in public, but not

    if done so via PMs, since the former makes him look good while the latter doesn't.

    E.G. I once had a guild member who joined and was giving lots of free mats to other guildies in secret...1-2 months later, he convinced them to leave and join the new guild he was making, and the ones who accepted the gifts did so because they felt they owed

    him. He didn't give anything to the senior guild members (probably cause he thought they would be harder to convince) and made sure to keep it a secret till the last minute.

    There's a clear difference between people who suck up to those he thinks will be of use, and

    people who are generally nice to everyone. But if he is only showing you one side of him, it can be hard to tell what he is really like. But if someone that you have only known for a short time is giving you tons of free, valuable stuff, or helping you lots of help, you probably should

    ask yourself why.

    One huge warning sign is when he is being inconsistent. Someone who is genuinely nice wouldn't be nice to the rich and famous only, or only when certain people are present and watching. Nor would they be badmouthing others because he thinks they are bad at

    the game, or just passively watching while his friends are insulted in front of him.

    • He wants stuff, but doesn't want to actually work for it.

    Classic example : He wants item X. Doesn't want to do the quest or whatever

    that will give him item X. Complains it is too hard or too boring. Doesn't want to talk to other people to form a party to do it. Doesn't want to talk to others to buy it, or complains he has no gold. Doesn't want to do anything to get gold as they are too hard/boring/takes too

    long. You get the idea.

    Is usually bad at the game (skill wise), but doesn't want to do anything to improve, because that's too hard/troublesome. Will never read a guide or watch a video if he is having trouble with a boss, even if you link it for him.

    He only wants to do the easy stuff in the game. The moment he runs out of easy stuff, he gets bored and quits. Trying to help him stay in the game or get better is generally futile, as the moment he doesn't get spoon fed, he will quit. Usually doesn't talk except to occasionally ask for help. If he doesn't get a response in a few minutes, will probably log off to play another game instead.

    Usually joins a guild to get carried through anything he find hard, which is probably most of the endgame content. Is usually pretty easy to spot because he will not do anything on his own to upgrade his gear, even if it is something really simple. If told to get decent gear before coming along on guild runs, will usually stop responding or will only do it if you do most of the work for him.

    Guild leaders, don't waste your time on guys like this.
        

    • He doesn't actually want to play the game. Ever.

    He swears he wants to plays the game, but never actually does it. He will spend hours in town spamming emotes, but is always "busy" when you try to invite him to a raid. Or spends hours linking "funny videos" on Discord and just keeps saying he will log on "any minute" now. As far as anyone knows, he hasn't even stepped out of town in months, or logged on for that matter.

    Mainly annoying for Guild Leaders or anyone trying to organize a raid party. He doesn't want to play the game, but for some reason, isn't willing to admit it and would rather lie to cover

    it up. Sometimes, goes to the effort of making up elaborate lies (I overdosed on my meds, ended up in the hospital, my cousin was using my computer to play another game) that get more and more inconsistent.

    • He only wants to be "neutral".

    At first glance, he wants to be friends with everyone. But what he really wants is to have a huge friend list, for maximum benefits. He's not willing to commit to being anyone's friend, beyond the bare pleasantries. If you are partying with him and you get jumped by some

    PKers, he won't lift a finger to help you because those PKers are his "friends" too. If you get scammed, he may pretend to have sympathy for you, but meanwhile he's buttering up the scammer at the same time. If a troll runs up to you and starts shit talking about you, he will just sit and watch.

    Warning sign : When someone screws you over, and he refuses to get involved because he wants to be "neutral". "Oh, my friend scammed you? Sorry to hear that. No, I won't help you talk to him about it because I want to be neutral you see..."

    The only thing you can expect out of him is nothing.
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  • TheocritusTheocritus Gary, INMember Posts: 5,116 Rare
    Can I have goldz plox!
  • RidelynnRidelynn Fresno, CAMember Posts: 5,708 Epic
    If any any point the player says " I put on my robe and wizard hat"
  • KyleranKyleran Paradise City, FLMember Posts: 24,682 Legendary
    People who come across as being needy and ignore your polite turn downs to their constant requests to help them.

    Folks who suffer from persecution complexes as well.

    On hiatus from EVE Online since Dec 2016 - Screw off-grid PVE boosting changes

    Pouring on extra "Salt" for 2017

    In my day MMORPG's were so hard we fought our way through dungeons in the snow, uphill both ways.

    Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
    "This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon


  • Moguy3Moguy3 Montigo, ALMember Posts: 65 Uncommon
    The person that seems cool but in the next moment is getting people to use the word " Anal " and another word together as humor.

  • TyranusPrimeTyranusPrime Sea of JapanMember Posts: 262 Uncommon
    I tend to run away from anyone named....

    xXHighfunctioningSociopathXx, Nynjal00tr, DrunkTank, WutRHeals, and InfiniteTroll

    You have your fear, which might become reality; and you have Godzilla, which IS reality. - Ogata

  • DakeruDakeru Member Posts: 2,957 Epic

    Iselin said:

    Anyone who says "I'm not wearing any underwear"


    Hmm if the gender has been confirmed before that one may actually be fun.
  • VardahothVardahoth Temecula, CAMember Posts: 1,367 Rare
    Pretty much almost everyone on these forums are an example. Most rpg players left.

    I Quit.

    http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/436845/page/1

    http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2316034
    .............
    Retired Gamer: all MMORPG's have been destroyed by big business, marketing of false promises, unprofessional game makers, and a generation of "I WIN and GIVE ME NOW" (brought to you by pokeman).

  • IshkalIshkal Schaumburg, ILMember Posts: 188 Uncommon
    lol nynjal00tr
  • 45074507 Member Posts: 168 Uncommon
    Anyone who types random things into the chat designed to elicit a reaction (e.g. "I just set my dog on fire xdd") but doesn't participate in conversation otherwise.
  • BestinnaBestinna Member Posts: 95 Uncommon
    -he's constantly sucking everyone off trying to get into the biggest guild on the server to be handed everything
  • DMKanoDMKano Gamercentral, AKMember Posts: 15,412 Legendary
    Same signs you should stay away from people in RL - immature, self-centered "me me me" people.

    Thats the lowest of the low, then you have your liars, cheaters, rip-off artists etc...


  • DabOnThemDabOnThem Member Posts: 59 Uncommon
    edited April 15
    The General:

    Cannot relax, even on the simple raids.

    Feels the need to be the Red Ranger for every raid.

    The chat filter is constantly updating with his instructions

    Awkward raid; everyone else is quiet, most  likely laughing or shaking their head behind the monitor.

    Nobody follows his lead and you still win, but he still complains.

    Cannot grasp the concept that failure is an inevitable part of an MMO.

    A wipe is catastrophic, then they rage quit while they were no better than anyone else. Which is ironic because the leader or general does not abandon their team.
  • GorweGorwe Ald'RuhnMember Posts: 3,702 Rare
    ...and here we are, offering suggestions on how to AVOID people in what is supposed to be the most social and community friendly genre...

    Sure, everything's alright, nothing to see, do keep moving on...
  • Question2Question2 aMember Posts: 43 Uncommon
    edited April 15


    DabOnThem said:


    The General:

    Cannot relax, even on the simple raids.

    Feels the need to be the Red Ranger for every raid.

    The chat filter is constantly updating with his instructions

    Awkward raid; everyone else is quiet, most  likely laughing or shaking their head behind the monitor.

    Nobody follows his lead and you still win, but he still complains.

    Cannot grasp the concept that failure is an inevitable part of an MMO.

    A wipe is catastrophic, then they rage quit while they were no better than anyone else. Which is ironic because the leader or general does not abandon their team.


    There's failing a raid because someone made a mistake or was new, and then there's failing a raid because someone decided it would be hilarious to replicate leroy jenkins without getting the party's approval.

    Or the party enters the dungeon...to discover that someone had unequipped all their gear right before entering, because he thought it would be hilarious. And then he goes "Nah, we don't need to restart, you guys can handle it! I will just cheer you on from the side!".

    Oh and the classic : Failing a raid because people refused to drink pots. Like...why.
  • Question2Question2 aMember Posts: 43 Uncommon
    edited April 15


    Gorwe said:


    ...and here we are, offering suggestions on how to AVOID people in what is supposed to be the most social and community friendly genre...

    Sure, everything's alright, nothing to see, do keep moving on...




    Would you rather socialize with trolls or leeches? By all means, be social, but if your friend list largely consists of people who just want you to help them power level their character (and their 10 alts) while never helping you with anything, you are not going to have a very fun gaming experience.
  • Question2Question2 aMember Posts: 43 Uncommon

    DMKano said:

    Same signs you should stay away from people in RL - immature, self-centered "me me me" people.



    What are some signs of this?
  • Octagon7711Octagon7711 Chicago, ILMember Posts: 4,711 Epic
    Just the player who goes around trying to 'group' everyone because he has his own agenda of quests he can't complete solo and has to go when all of his are done.

    "Change is the only constant."

  • Question2Question2 aMember Posts: 43 Uncommon


    Just the player who goes around trying to 'group' everyone because he has his own agenda of quests he can't complete solo and has to go when all of his are done.


    What do you mean by trying to group everyone?
  • Octagon7711Octagon7711 Chicago, ILMember Posts: 4,711 Epic

    Question2 said:





    Just the player who goes around trying to 'group' everyone because he has his own agenda of quests he can't complete solo and has to go when all of his are done.




    What do you mean by trying to group everyone?

    Notice (Insert player's name here), wants to group with you. Instead of asking in chat first.

    "Change is the only constant."

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