Project Scorpio supports FreeSync and next-gen HDMI

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Last week, Digital Foundry published the hardware spec for Microsoft's next Xbox - Project Scorpio. However, there was one little detail we held back, an aspect of the new console we didn't want to get lost in the noise. In the here and now its applications will be limited, but in the fullness of time, it may help to bring about a profound shift in how displays interface with games hardware.




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  • epoqepoq Richmond, VAMember UncommonPosts: 351
    So does this mean HDMI 2.1 will automatically support FreeSync, or are they going to start making "FreeSync" branded TV?  I only ask because for PC monitors, they are branded FreeSync or G-Sync, and not all monitors obviously support this tech.  
  • SlyLoKSlyLoK Sugar Grove, VAMember RarePosts: 2,195
    epoq said:
    So does this mean HDMI 2.1 will automatically support FreeSync, or are they going to start making "FreeSync" branded TV?  I only ask because for PC monitors, they are branded FreeSync or G-Sync, and not all monitors obviously support this tech.  
    I read another article that said it is built into the console and the TV will just need HDMI 2.1. AFAIK there are no 2.1 TVs yet? 

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  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Houston, TXMember EpicPosts: 14,629
    SlyLoK said:
    epoq said:
    So does this mean HDMI 2.1 will automatically support FreeSync, or are they going to start making "FreeSync" branded TV?  I only ask because for PC monitors, they are branded FreeSync or G-Sync, and not all monitors obviously support this tech.  
    I read another article that said it is built into the console and the TV will just need HDMI 2.1. AFAIK there are no 2.1 TVs yet? 
    shhhh dont tell consumers that.

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  • PhryPhry OxfordshireMember EpicPosts: 8,705
    One of the benefits of having a console, was that they just worked, on televisions, ordinary televisions.
    As soon as it becomes necessary for people to buy new and probably, expensive televisions in order for their game console of choice to work properly, then imo, thats going to put people off of buying it. O.o
  • blueturtle13blueturtle13 Valve Corporation Member LegendaryPosts: 9,717
    With over 100 million (current gen) consoles on the market I don't think people being 'put off' will be an issue. For many, console gaming is their only gaming. People will buy whatever they need to for their hobby.

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  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Houston, TXMember EpicPosts: 14,629
    god I am old.

    The way it typically works in hardware is that if something like a console is coming out with a new TV standard (of which I doubt will be the ONLY TV port on the damn thing) its usually because the hardware cycle to produce said TV is about to explode in mass production.

    Just like how when VR PC requirements where declared before you had you VR headset shipped the same PC requirements where the Recommended Requirements for AAA games that came out at the same time.

    facepalm

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  • CleffyCleffy San Diego, CAMember RarePosts: 5,586
    And with that ends nVidia's gSync technology.
  • ReizlaReizla 127.0.0.1Member RarePosts: 4,030
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    Recore said:
    You are so gullible... The article you linked tells that AMD predicts that... Because THEIR cards push freesync over HDMI. Oh yes, sure, like if AMD has anything to tell what's going to happen to mainstream TVs.
    I don't thikn TVs will come with freesync, and if they will, it's only a small number that will support it (namely the brands that AMD pays to add it). Aside from consoles, there's no reason for TV manufacturers to add yet an other 'standard' (quoted on purpose because when one manufacturer makes something it's NOT a standard) to their TVs. There's not a single broadcasting station that's using (and prolly never heard of) freesync technology. Same for DVDs/BluRays. Freesync is just a PC gimmic, like G-sync. Both to push the best out of the GRAPHICAL card. A card that's not in your cable/satellite receiver. Heck, there's only one announced item that CAN BE connected to the TV that's using this feature (namely the Scorpio) and I don't see that thing launch anywhere before the end of this year, or even take a huge flight in sales.

    [EDIT]
    Let me stand corrected -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI#Version_2.1 tells "Game Mode VRR which allows for variable refresh rates (VRR) for more fluid motion in games", but not a single word about freesync in HDMI 2.1. And with both nVidia and AMD being in the HDMI forum, I doubt either standard will exclusively come to HDMI - either both or neither I'd say.
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    Reizla said:
    Recore said:
    You are so gullible... The article you linked tells that AMD predicts that... Because THEIR cards push freesync over HDMI. Oh yes, sure, like if AMD has anything to tell what's going to happen to mainstream TVs.
    I don't thikn TVs will come with freesync, and if they will, it's only a small number that will support it (namely the brands that AMD pays to add it). Aside from consoles, there's no reason for TV manufacturers to add yet an other 'standard' (quoted on purpose because when one manufacturer makes something it's NOT a standard) to their TVs. There's not a single broadcasting station that's using (and prolly never heard of) freesync technology. Same for DVDs/BluRays. Freesync is just a PC gimmic, like G-sync. Both to push the best out of the GRAPHICAL card. A card that's not in your cable/satellite receiver. Heck, there's only one announced item that CAN BE connected to the TV that's using this feature (namely the Scorpio) and I don't see that thing launch anywhere before the end of this year, or even take a huge flight in sales.

    [EDIT]
    Let me stand corrected -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI#Version_2.1 tells "Game Mode VRR which allows for variable refresh rates (VRR) for more fluid motion in games", but not a single word about freesync in HDMI 2.1. And with both nVidia and AMD being in the HDMI forum, I doubt either standard will exclusively come to HDMI - either both or neither I'd say.


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  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 13,411
    Recore said:
    Reizla said:
    Recore said:
    You are so gullible... The article you linked tells that AMD predicts that... Because THEIR cards push freesync over HDMI. Oh yes, sure, like if AMD has anything to tell what's going to happen to mainstream TVs.
    I don't thikn TVs will come with freesync, and if they will, it's only a small number that will support it (namely the brands that AMD pays to add it). Aside from consoles, there's no reason for TV manufacturers to add yet an other 'standard' (quoted on purpose because when one manufacturer makes something it's NOT a standard) to their TVs. There's not a single broadcasting station that's using (and prolly never heard of) freesync technology. Same for DVDs/BluRays. Freesync is just a PC gimmic, like G-sync. Both to push the best out of the GRAPHICAL card. A card that's not in your cable/satellite receiver. Heck, there's only one announced item that CAN BE connected to the TV that's using this feature (namely the Scorpio) and I don't see that thing launch anywhere before the end of this year, or even take a huge flight in sales.

    [EDIT]
    Let me stand corrected -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI#Version_2.1 tells "Game Mode VRR which allows for variable refresh rates (VRR) for more fluid motion in games", but not a single word about freesync in HDMI 2.1. And with both nVidia and AMD being in the HDMI forum, I doubt either standard will exclusively come to HDMI - either both or neither I'd say.
    Common sense has to kick in at some point. 
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  • ReizlaReizla 127.0.0.1Member RarePosts: 4,030
    Recore said:
    Reizla said:
    Recore said:
    You are so gullible... The article you linked tells that AMD predicts that... Because THEIR cards push freesync over HDMI. Oh yes, sure, like if AMD has anything to tell what's going to happen to mainstream TVs.
    I don't thikn TVs will come with freesync, and if they will, it's only a small number that will support it (namely the brands that AMD pays to add it). Aside from consoles, there's no reason for TV manufacturers to add yet an other 'standard' (quoted on purpose because when one manufacturer makes something it's NOT a standard) to their TVs. There's not a single broadcasting station that's using (and prolly never heard of) freesync technology. Same for DVDs/BluRays. Freesync is just a PC gimmic, like G-sync. Both to push the best out of the GRAPHICAL card. A card that's not in your cable/satellite receiver. Heck, there's only one announced item that CAN BE connected to the TV that's using this feature (namely the Scorpio) and I don't see that thing launch anywhere before the end of this year, or even take a huge flight in sales.

    [EDIT]
    Let me stand corrected -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI#Version_2.1 tells "Game Mode VRR which allows for variable refresh rates (VRR) for more fluid motion in games", but not a single word about freesync in HDMI 2.1. And with both nVidia and AMD being in the HDMI forum, I doubt either standard will exclusively come to HDMI - either both or neither I'd say.


    Common sense has to kick in at some point. 
    Still no word on freesync (or Gsync for that matter) being included in the HDMI 2.1 standard. Only thing on gaming in the 2.1 standard is VRR, which is not freesync/Gsync, so both AMD and nVidia need to go back to the drawing table to get their GPUs compatible with that. That means adding Freesync to the Scorpio is only a advertising thing, unless you're gonna play on your monitor instead of your TV...

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