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  • maskedweaselmaskedweasel houston, TXMember RarePosts: 9,001

    SEANMCAD said:



















    obfuscation and lack of understanding on your part.

    Go back to the OP you tried to defend.  "Best games are always on the PC.  Console exclusive games are flat out pathetic!"  

    No... the best PC games aren't always on PC. Console exclusive games are not pathetic.  In fact, Console Exclusive games as per the list which is aggregate of all critics and thousands of users show that more console exclusive games are the best games that any platforms have to offer.

    Keep trying though.






    but here is the thing.

    If your position is the majority is always right and thus their view is objective and any minority view is purely subjective then it doesn't matter if ones tries the game or not because if they have any view other than the majority then they are just being subjective....does it?

    so why even make a statement like that in the first place? let alone it being ridiculous statement in the first place regardless of the context


    I think you're misunderstanding again.  "The majority is right" isn't the correct view.  "Right" and "Wrong" isn't a position dictated to whether a game is good or not.  It's "Liked" and "Disliked".

    If the majority LIKE a game, the trend would be that other people should play the game because it is good.

    If the majority DISLIKE a game the game is generally thought of to be bad.

    Blanket statements of "all console games are bad"  are incorrect statements.  Bad games can still have fans. Good games can be on consoles.  Critically some of the best games are console exclusives.

    It's not that liking a particular game is "right" or "wrong"  but saying that games are bad because they are console exclusives is wrong.  It is not wrong, however, to say you dislike a game because it is a console exclusive. 

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  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Houston, TXMember EpicPosts: 14,179




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    obfuscation and lack of understanding on your part.

    Go back to the OP you tried to defend.  "Best games are always on the PC.  Console exclusive games are flat out pathetic!"  

    No... the best PC games aren't always on PC. Console exclusive games are not pathetic.  In fact, Console Exclusive games as per the list which is aggregate of all critics and thousands of users show that more console exclusive games are the best games that any platforms have to offer.

    Keep trying though.








    but here is the thing.

    If your position is the majority is always right and thus their view is objective and any minority view is purely subjective then it doesn't matter if ones tries the game or not because if they have any view other than the majority then they are just being subjective....does it?

    so why even make a statement like that in the first place? let alone it being ridiculous statement in the first place regardless of the context




    I think you're misunderstanding again.  "The majority is right" isn't the correct view.  "Right" and "Wrong" isn't a position dictated to whether a game is good or not.  It's "Liked" and "Disliked".

    If the majority LIKE a game, the trend would be that other people should play the game because it is good.

    If the majority DISLIKE a game the game is generally thought of to be bad.

    Blanket statements of "all console games are bad"  are incorrect statements.  Bad games can still have fans. Good games can be on consoles.  Critically some of the best games are console exclusives.

    It's not that liking a particular game is "right" or "wrong"  but saying that games are bad because they are console exclusives is wrong.  It is not wrong, however, to say you dislike a game because it is a console exclusive. 


    that is all very nice and we can get into debates on what you are implying when it comes to statements that read as Objective declarations that end up by your own logic actually being Subjective ones but it has in the end NOTHING to do with 

    'you have to try it to know'

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  • maskedweaselmaskedweasel houston, TXMember RarePosts: 9,001

    Nyctelios said:

    This is not about consoles v PC or this game v that game.

    This thread became about your egos.

    Every platform has its pros and cons. Those pros and cons make it more suited to some and less suited to others. There is no absolute better in terms of taste - but some could argue technical points, yet those technical points also means cost (in terms of purchase cost or maintenance cost). 

    @maskedweasel
    as much I agree with most things you say metacritic is not a valid point other than populism and populism does not equal to quality in any stretch of imagination. It does not invalidate many of your points, but please have it in mind: Most metacritic scores are result of bandwagon spam of 10's or 0's had many cases of prooven developer spamming 10's on it - the same goes to IMDB (movies weren't even on closed premier and they were rated 10).


    You are right in the sense that any users can get on to spam one number or another,  but that is every site in general.  Metacritic is my preferred choice because its an aggregate of all the critic reviews as well.  

    For example if we take the same game like Elite Dangerous, and go to Steam,  the steam scores are very similar to Metacritic User Scores.  Critic scores are a little higher.  Overall you get to see a decent trend per game.   There is no "one true review" that holds sway, so the only way to really get a good idea of such a trend is a compilation. 

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  • maskedweaselmaskedweasel houston, TXMember RarePosts: 9,001

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    that is all very nice and we can get into debates on what you are implying when it comes to statements that read as Objective declarations that end up by your own logic actually being Subjective ones but it has in the end NOTHING to do with 

    'you have to try it to know'


    I would think you of all people would agree with "you have to try it to know" seeing as how you have tried to champion VR for so long.  I'm sure if I went back in time to a few posts of yours, you would be saying the same thing. 

    The point is,  unlike the finite resolution of receiving pain when you harm yourself,  entertainment does not fall into the same category as basic biological reactions.  Entertainment is subjective, sure.

    But as everyone has a different taste, trying is the only way of knowing.

    Lets look at this from another point.  "All console exclusive games are bad".  Tomorrow Zelda Breath of the Wild launches on PC.  Is that suddenly a good game?   The game itself doesn't change much.  Blanket statements (especially based on platform) have no place in determining the worth of a title - period.  

    Case in point,  Elite Dangerous was a PC game, but now it's a console game.  Would it be any less of a game if it was a Console game first and then a PC game? 

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  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Houston, TXMember EpicPosts: 14,179
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    that is all very nice and we can get into debates on what you are implying when it comes to statements that read as Objective declarations that end up by your own logic actually being Subjective ones but it has in the end NOTHING to do with 

    'you have to try it to know'






    I would think you of all people would agree with "you have to try it to know" seeing as how you have tried to champion VR for so long.  I'm sure if I went back in time to a few posts of yours, you would be saying the same thing. 

    The point is,  unlike the finite resolution of receiving pain when you harm yourself,  entertainment does not fall into the same category as basic biological reactions.  Entertainment is subjective, sure.

    But as everyone has a different taste, trying is the only way of knowing.

    Lets look at this from another point.  "All console exclusive games are bad".  Tomorrow Zelda Breath of the Wild launches on PC.  Is that suddenly a good game?   The game itself doesn't change much.  Blanket statements (especially based on platform) have no place in determining the worth of a title - period.  

    Case in point,  Elite Dangerous was a PC game, but now it's a console game.  Would it be any less of a game if it was a Console game first and then a PC game? 




    its a good argument but where it fails is in its bitwise attitude. I really should not have to explain this but I suppose I do.

    if a baby is born and as a result knows nothing about the world then YES they actually would have to stick a fork in their eye to know it hurts.
    But as life moves on in experience they experience pain, then they see others in pain and know what that is like
    and over time it builds with ......experience.

    so again. If one has ZERO experience with VR, zero ability to conceptualize it then yes, they should try it.
    If on the other hand one played AAA games (for example) for 10 fucking years, then they have a pretty good understanding of what they are like more so then they would if the conversation was about shore fishing vs offshore fishing.

    Why does this really need to be explain?

    so basically one does NOT need to try every single game on the planet in order to tell if the game is not to their liking if they have experience in games. In fact with games its even more so, is there REALLY a huge experience difference in a game between watching someone play and using WSAD yourself in order to at least get a baseline that you would enjoy it given years of experience with games? no ....hell fucking no

    I can assure you with a high level of confidence that if I showed my mother a game where you run around and kill shit with a chainsaw that if she tried it she would not like it
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  • rojoArcueidrojoArcueid GinnungagapMember EpicPosts: 8,592
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    I tend to believe that consoles are for gamers and  PC is for gamers.
    I  never saw the point in limiting myself to only one platform.
     




    Thank you! If only the fanatics weren't so blind and childish. No matter which platform you choose (one or all), all platforms are good for gamers.

    Life is too short to add another limitation to it.
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    I tend to believe that consoles are for gamers and  PC is for gamers.
    I  never saw the point in limiting myself to only one platform.
     








    Thank you! If only the fanatics weren't so blind and childish. No matter which platform you choose (one or all), all platforms are good for gamers.

    Life is too short to add another limitation to it.




    I think we just like to argue. No one talks like those haters in real life. With a couple of exceptions every gamer I know games on multiple platforms. Some are more used than others, but most gaming acquaintances or friends I know have at least two different gaming platforms if not 3 or 4 in some state of use.
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    Torval said:






    I think we just like to argue. No one talks like those haters in real life. With a couple of exceptions every gamer I know games on multiple platforms. Some are more used than others, but most gaming acquaintances or friends I know have at least two different gaming platforms if not 3 or 4 in some state of use.


    I think the problem is the attempt at normalizing the difference to insignificant or making anyone who doesnt like one platform irrelevant.

    The reality is the gaming experience between the two is often RADICAL and if one doesnt like the other its not a crime and it is a valid experience for them.
     

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    I will be getting the Scorpio. Besides MMOs I really dont play games on PC anymore.

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  • maskedweaselmaskedweasel houston, TXMember RarePosts: 9,001

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    so basically one does NOT need to try every single game on the planet in order to tell if the game is not to their liking if they have experience in games.


    This is the basic point you have been trying to make, and this point completely misses the premise of the phrase "All exclusive console titles are bad"  

    Here's another one.  "All VR titles are bad".  Sounds good doesn't it?  

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    so basically one does NOT need to try every single game on the planet in order to tell if the game is not to their liking if they have experience in games.




    This is the basic point you have been trying to make, and this point completely misses the premise of the phrase "All exclusive console titles are bad"  

    Here's another one.  "All VR titles are bad".  Sounds good doesn't it?  


    Ok first off I never said 'all exclusive console titles are bad'

    I said 

    'exclusive doesnt always mean good'

    there is a huge difference is there not?
    you cant really deny that on most gaming forums sites the default assumption is 'exclusive = good' I am just saying that is not true. again, its not bitwise, by saying not all exclusive are good DOES NOT MEAN all of them are bad

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  • maskedweaselmaskedweasel houston, TXMember RarePosts: 9,001

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    SEANMCAD said:





    so basically one does NOT need to try every single game on the planet in order to tell if the game is not to their liking if they have experience in games.






    This is the basic point you have been trying to make, and this point completely misses the premise of the phrase "All exclusive console titles are bad"  

    Here's another one.  "All VR titles are bad".  Sounds good doesn't it?  




    Ok first off I never said 'all exclusive console titles are bad'

    I said 

    'exclusive doesnt always mean good'

    there is a huge difference is there not?
    you cant really deny that on most gaming forums sites the default assumption is 'exclusive = good' I am just saying that is not true. again, its not bitwise, by saying not all exclusive are good DOES NOT MEAN all of them are bad


     That isn't what you originally responded to.  Go back to the beginning of the conversation.  Saying now "Some exclusive console titles are good and some are bad" is actually a very logical thing to say.  That isn't what I responded to originally and not what the original comment was.

    If you are saying "Not all console exclusive titles are good" while also saying "Some exclusive console titles are good" then we are on the same page.

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  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Houston, TXMember EpicPosts: 14,179
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    SEANMCAD said:




















    SEANMCAD said:








    so basically one does NOT need to try every single game on the planet in order to tell if the game is not to their liking if they have experience in games.












    This is the basic point you have been trying to make, and this point completely misses the premise of the phrase "All exclusive console titles are bad"  

    Here's another one.  "All VR titles are bad".  Sounds good doesn't it?  










    Ok first off I never said 'all exclusive console titles are bad'

    I said 

    'exclusive doesnt always mean good'

    there is a huge difference is there not?
    you cant really deny that on most gaming forums sites the default assumption is 'exclusive = good' I am just saying that is not true. again, its not bitwise, by saying not all exclusive are good DOES NOT MEAN all of them are bad








     That isn't what you originally responded to.  Go back to the beginning of the conversation.  Saying now "Some exclusive console titles are good and some are bad" is actually a very logical thing to say.  That isn't what I responded to originally and not what the original comment was.

    If you are saying "Not all console exclusive titles are good" while also saying "Some exclusive console titles are good" then we are on the same page.




    if one says
    'all exclusives are good'
    then I say 'no they are not'
    you assume it means I said 'all exlcusives are bad'

    which
    1. I did not and does not mean that
    2. by YOUR VERY OWN LOGIC you violate yourself by saying that all exclusives are good.
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    read carefully

    community says 'exclusives = good'
    I say: 'that is not accurate'

    you say: ' that means seanmcad things all exclusives are bad and that is a broad generalized statement he should not make (never mind the fact that the community just made a broad generalized statement!)

    I hope that is more clear

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  • maskedweaselmaskedweasel houston, TXMember RarePosts: 9,001

    SEANMCAD said:







    read carefully

    community says 'exclusives = good'
    I say: 'that is not accurate'

    you say: ' that means seanmcad things all exclusives are bad and that is a broad generalized statement he should not make (never mind the fact that the community just made a broad generalized statement!)

    I hope that is more clear


    Only comment I have for that is ROFL!  Best games are always on the PC.  Console exclusive games are flat out pathetic!
    Read more at http://forums.mmorpg.com/discussion/462534/project-scorpio-exclusive-final-specs-revealed/p5#c2E6K65XbihcUk1o.99

    The original comment is above, including the link.

    I don't know nor care what the community said. I didn't see anything where a person stated that all exclusives are good.  

    I stated that in the top 50 games rated on metacritic, the majority were console exclusives and many games on the list were cross platform between consoles and PC with the fewest on the list being PC only titles.  That doesn't mean all exclusives are good.

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  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Houston, TXMember EpicPosts: 14,179
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    read carefully

    community says 'exclusives = good'
    I say: 'that is not accurate'

    you say: ' that means seanmcad things all exclusives are bad and that is a broad generalized statement he should not make (never mind the fact that the community just made a broad generalized statement!)

    I hope that is more clear








    Only comment I have for that is ROFL!  Best games are always on the PC.  Console exclusive games are flat out pathetic!
    Read more at http://forums.mmorpg.com/discussion/462534/project-scorpio-exclusive-final-specs-revealed/p5#c2E6K65XbihcUk1o.99

    The original comment is above, including the link.

    I don't know nor care what the community said. I didn't see anything where a person stated that all exclusives are good.  

    I stated that in the top 50 games rated on metacritic, the majority were console exclusives and many games on the list were cross platform between consoles and PC with the fewest on the list being PC only titles.  That doesn't mean all exclusives are good.






    1. that is great and we can talk about it but its not related to what you said regarding having to try something to know something AND its not related to my comment that not all exclusives are good

    2. if all of this disjointed effort is just to suggest to me that what I say regarding all console games is not factual and highly subjective feel good in me telling you...well no shit sherlock! those statements are clearly (or rather should be clearly) my subjective opinon. I dont try to make an effort to argue that its scientific fact like you do with your opinions. HOWEVER, I would suggest others not just go around making casual statements that heavly imply all exclusives games are good, for the very same reason you are crawling up my ass for now

    3. having said that is there any chance we can get back to our OP between each other and stop being so god damn random.

    My point today (one that you disagree with thus far) is that you do not have to try a game to get a good feel of if you would like it or not. Pretty much everything else is off topic regarding our side conversation

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  • maskedweaselmaskedweasel houston, TXMember RarePosts: 9,001

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    My point today (one that you disagree with thus far) is that you do not have to try a game to get a good feel of if you would like it or not. Pretty much everything else is off topic regarding our side conversation



    Incorrect. I do not disagree with that.  It all goes back to the initial point. "All console games are bad" with a response of "If you haven't played them, you can't comment"  which is different than "You have to try a game to see if YOU like it".

    See the difference in the two statements.  

    1) All console games are bad in the point of view of the original quote.  All games, regardless of type, style, etc.  They are bad because they are "console".  If the platform was PC they would be good. This doesn't make the game bad because it is console exclusive.

    2) You do not have to try a game to get a good feel if you would like it or not.  This points towards trying a game - singular. One game that you see and decide you don't like based on the premise of the game.  If that same game was on PC you wouldn't like it any better.

    These statements are different.  I disagree with 1.  This person has not tried any console games, and relies on the basis of them being on console to determine their worth as a game.  2 bases the merits of the game as whether the game is deemed appropriate to play for that person.  

    I don't think I could put it clearer. 

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    SEANMCAD said:





    My point today (one that you disagree with thus far) is that you do not have to try a game to get a good feel of if you would like it or not. Pretty much everything else is off topic regarding our side conversation





    Incorrect. I do not disagree with that.  It all goes back to the initial point. "All console games are bad" ...


    I dont even know what your talking about!

    first off your statement of 'you have to try it to know' isnt related to a comment that I didnt even make
    second off, the nearest thing to that comment that I made here in this thread was EXCLUSIVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! not consoles.
    third off I never said all EXCLUSIVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! are bad
    I said its not true that all EXCLUSIVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! are good which does NOT mean one is saying all EXCLUSIVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!! are bad

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  • maskedweaselmaskedweasel houston, TXMember RarePosts: 9,001

    SEANMCAD said:








    SEANMCAD said:






    My point today (one that you disagree with thus far) is that you do not have to try a game to get a good feel of if you would like it or not. Pretty much everything else is off topic regarding our side conversation







    Incorrect. I do not disagree with that.  It all goes back to the initial point. "All console games are bad" ...




    I dont even know what your talking about!

    first off your statement of 'you have to try it to know' isnt related to a comment that I didnt even make



    Exactly the point. My original comment wasn't directed at you. You picked it up and fought over a premise that didn't exist.

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  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Houston, TXMember EpicPosts: 14,179
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    Exactly the point. My original comment wasn't directed at you. You picked it up and fought over a premise that didn't exist.






    actually that was not remotely 'your point' like ever.



     despite that if someone says 'all water is purple' there isnt a lot of context needed for someone to say 'ummmmm that is not true'



     so again I say



    you dont have to try a game to have a very good reliable understanding of what its like and if you would like it
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  • gervaise1gervaise1 .Member RarePosts: 4,193
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    Lokero said:



    Aren't XBoxes just wannabe, watered-down desktops these days, overall?  <snip>





    Are they? Are PCs more powerful than consoles?

    The answer is "can be". PCs can be more powerful than consoles. PCs can be built. PCs can be upgraded to add the latest and greatest components. They can be be made to order. Prices can run into thousands.

    Can be.

    Conversely PCs can be slow; old, the equivalent of a dinosaurs. Laptops in particular can be under-whelming and as for office PCs .... enough said.

    Consoles provide a benchmark if you like. A bar against which "PCs" can be measured. When they are first launched they are usually pretty powerful machines - not as powerful as top end PCs but powerful. And - because they are produced in large numbers - they will offer "excellent" value for money. 

    And developers like them. A lot. Games are "less likely" to be plagued by compatibility issues.
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    Lokero said:


    Aren't XBoxes just wannabe, watered-down desktops these days, overall?  <snip>




    Are they? Are PCs more powerful than consoles?

    The answer is "can be". PCs can be more powerful than consoles. PCs can be built. PCs can be upgraded to add the latest and greatest components. They can be be made to order. Prices can run into thousands.

    Can be.

    Conversely PCs can slow; old, the equivalent of a dinosaurs. Laptops in particular can be under-whelming and as for office PCs .... enough said.

    Consoles provide a benchmark if you like. A bar against which "PCs" can be measured if you like. When they are first launched they are usually pretty powerful machines - not as powerful as top end PCs but powerful. And - because they are produced in large numbers - they will offer "excellent" value for money. 

    And developers like them. A lot. Games are "less likely" to be plagued by compatibility issues.


    if you were to put a scale to it consoles are less powerful than the average mid level gaming machine and yes when I say 'mid level' I dont mean 'well it depends on if you consider a rocket ship mid level' no, I mean likely your mid fucking level

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    SEANMCAD said:











    SEANMCAD said:














    Exactly the point. My original comment wasn't directed at you. You picked it up and fought over a premise that didn't exist.









    actually that was not remotely 'your point' like ever.



    I didn't say it was "my point" I said that's "the point".  THE point being you replied to something you didn't fully understand.  I agree, you don't have to try a game to know whether or not you like it.  A game. Singular.  That was never my point when I said "if you haven't tried them (plural, meaning every console exclusive game that has ever existed)  then you can't comment."  Because that, is dozens of games spanning dozens of genres spanning decades and several platforms.  Not liking something based on platform has nothing to do with the game - A game - singular.  

    You can't put blanket statements on everything saying you don't like any exclusive game on any platform because platform, because all that would need to change for someone to then like the game is the platform.  It's idiocy in the highest regards.

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    SEANMCAD said:















    SEANMCAD said:

















    Exactly the point. My original comment wasn't directed at you. You picked it up and fought over a premise that didn't exist.












    actually that was not remotely 'your point' like ever.





    I didn't say it was "my point" I said that's "the point".  ...



    ok NOW I know your just being intentionally disruptive.

    Ok well I have had enough of that shit for today

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    SEANMCAD said:



    gervaise1 said:





    Lokero said:



    Aren't XBoxes just wannabe, watered-down desktops these days, overall?  <snip>






    Are they? Are PCs more powerful than consoles?

    The answer is "can be". PCs can be more powerful than consoles. PCs can be built. PCs can be upgraded to add the latest and greatest components. They can be be made to order. Prices can run into thousands.

    Can be.

    Conversely PCs can slow; old, the equivalent of a dinosaurs. Laptops in particular can be under-whelming and as for office PCs .... enough said.

    Consoles provide a benchmark if you like. A bar against which "PCs" can be measured if you like. When they are first launched they are usually pretty powerful machines - not as powerful as top end PCs but powerful. And - because they are produced in large numbers - they will offer "excellent" value for money. 

    And developers like them. A lot. Games are "less likely" to be plagued by compatibility issues.




    if you were to put a scale to it consoles are less powerful than the average mid level gaming machine and yes when I say 'mid level' I dont mean 'well it depends on if you consider a rocket ship mid level' no, I mean likely your mid fucking level



    Was that a mid-level machine bought this year or last year or the year before? People don't change or update PCs with the frequency that people update consoles. Cost being the key. And why a mid-level PC? why not a high level PC from 5 years ago or a new low level PC?

    The only way you can really do a comparison is to use cost. Compare a console to a PC you can buy for the same money.

    And when you do - due to something called "economy of scale" - consoles basically win. And that is before you get into the debate about whether console costs are artificially low.


    Which is why rocket ships are more expensive than cars. They are not mass produced. They are certainly more powerful though.


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