CoE Dev's forcing backers to get less then what they paid for?

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  • francis_baudfrancis_baud Member RarePosts: 208
    "To conclude, do not disregard our limits. They are not moving again. If you purchase a King package before we get a chance to put a cap on the purchase page, you're going to find yourself either on a server you didn't plan on, or without a Kingdom. Then you'll have to make due with your Duchy, Design Experiences, and joining us for a fun weekend of gaming, but will otherwise have to trade in the King title for EP."

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  • Asm0deusAsm0deus BaatorMember RarePosts: 2,003
    edited March 19
    Kyleran said:
    Asm0deus said:
    Kyleran said:
    Asm0deus said:
    Kyleran said:
    Ouch... I was thinking of backing again a few days ago. Think I might wait a bit and see what this means for the lower packages now. Or if they get shafted as well.
    You were going to buy a kingdom? Can I be your new best friend? ;)

    As to the link not quite sure what's going on, looks like they are trying to head off problems.

    I find it amazing they are struggling because too many people are trying to buy kingdoms.
    No they created these problems knowing full well they wouldn't be able to fulfill purchases.   They knew they would have only so many "kingdoms" per server and by default already had a really good idea how many dukes etc etc there would be in game or would be possible on a server.


    They should have capped "kingdom" sales to 12, 6 per server, instead they took more people's money knowing they would have to force them to accept a lower title with in game money as compensation.

    I will say it again this is working out a whole lot like the Revival game...
    Ive gone back and re-read the posted thread, it doesn't say at all what you think it says.


    Perhaps you're not reading my post properly.  They sold more of each "title" than they have room for thus the problem.

    Now if this is not true then they need to come out and say so BUT that's not what they are saying.



    The relevant part:

    To conclude, do not disregard our limits. They are not moving again. If you purchase a King package before we get a chance to put a cap on the purchase page, you're going to find yourself either on a server you didn't plan on, or without a Kingdom. Then you'll have to make due with your Duchy, Design Experiences, and joining us for a fun weekend of gaming, but will otherwise have to trade in the King title for EP


    Now it says they will put a limit and I am saying there should have been a limit from the start.  As it stands now there good chances they wont have enough "room" so some people will be bumped down a title.

    This could a be a big problem...consider what happens if someone paid for king, gets bumped down to duke but duke are all sold out to people that bought duke?

    Do they then bump down a duke buyer to make room for the king buyer?


    Now that said they say if there no more king room you get EP...so you dont even get a title period?   That seems ..not right?

    Also why bother with influence point...the whole point of this was to be able to make sure you had spot but now they say no no goes with purchase date.  Seems like backpedaling to me.


    They even admit they did not know what the limit they were going to have initially yet they were selling each title without caps in place.



    The way I read it, the limits have not been exceeded yet, and they are cautioning people to not try and exceed them in order to try and  force others who already have their spot saved from the server.


    Did you read this post from the same thread?

    https://chroniclesofelyria.com/forum/topic/17939/the-five-kingdom-limit?page=1#post185752

    https://puu.sh/uNnbg/9ed2bf95eb.jpg

    Seems they told people to disregard the limit at some point, dunno but looks like they should have been clear and put limit right from the start.

    Like most KS if they offer something that really big for a big ticket price you can see right on the KS that those packages are limited.






    Post edited by Asm0deus on

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  • KyleranKyleran Paradise City, FLMember LegendaryPosts: 26,275
    edited March 19
    Asm0deus said:
    Kyleran said:
    Asm0deus said:
    Kyleran said:
    Asm0deus said:
    Kyleran said:
    Ouch... I was thinking of backing again a few days ago. Think I might wait a bit and see what this means for the lower packages now. Or if they get shafted as well.
    You were going to buy a kingdom? Can I be your new best friend? ;)

    As to the link not quite sure what's going on, looks like they are trying to head off problems.

    I find it amazing they are struggling because too many people are trying to buy kingdoms.
    No they created these problems knowing full well they wouldn't be able to fulfill purchases.   They knew they would have only so many "kingdoms" per server and by default already had a really good idea how many dukes etc etc there would be in game or would be possible on a server.


    They should have capped "kingdom" sales to 12, 6 per server, instead they took more people's money knowing they would have to force them to accept a lower title with in game money as compensation.

    I will say it again this is working out a whole lot like the Revival game...
    Ive gone back and re-read the posted thread, it doesn't say at all what you think it says.


    Perhaps you're not reading my post properly.  They sold more of each "title" than they have room for thus the problem.

    Now if this is not true then they need to come out and say so BUT that's not what they are saying.



    The relevant part:

    To conclude, do not disregard our limits. They are not moving again. If you purchase a King package before we get a chance to put a cap on the purchase page, you're going to find yourself either on a server you didn't plan on, or without a Kingdom. Then you'll have to make due with your Duchy, Design Experiences, and joining us for a fun weekend of gaming, but will otherwise have to trade in the King title for EP


    Now it says they will put a limit and I am saying there should have been a limit from the start.  As it stands now there good chances they wont have enough "room" so some people will be bumped down a title.

    This could a be a big problem...consider what happens if someone paid for king, gets bumped down to duke but duke are all sold out to people that bought duke?

    Do they then bump down a duke buyer to make room for the king buyer?


    Now that said they say if there no more king room you get EP...so you dont even get a title period?   That seems ..not right?

    Also why bother with influence point...the whole point of this was to be able to make sure you had spot but now they say no no goes with purchase date.  Seems like backpedaling to me.


    They even admit they did not know what the limit they were going to have initially yet they were selling each title without caps in place.



    The way I read it, the limits have not been exceeded yet, and they are cautioning people to not try and exceed them in order to try and  force others who already have their spot saved from the server.


    Did you read this post from the same thread?

    https://chroniclesofelyria.com/forum/topic/17939/the-five-kingdom-limit?page=1#post185752

    https://puu.sh/uNnbg/9ed2bf95eb.jpg

    Seems they told people to disregard the limit at some point, dunno but looks like they should have been clear and put limit right from the start.

    Like most KS if they offer something that really big for a big ticket price you can see right on the KS that those packages are limited.






    From the quote posted above yours it would appear the limits haven't been exceeded yet.

    As to placing the limits earlier, in reading the original thread they were fluid when these packages were first offered and now are no longer in question.

    But I won't be shedding any tears if anyone loses out in any of this.
    Post edited by Kyleran on

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  • ForgrimmForgrimm Somewhere in TimeMember EpicPosts: 2,546
    edited March 19
    Kyleran said:
    Asm0deus said:
    Did you read this post from the same thread?

    https://chroniclesofelyria.com/forum/topic/17939/the-five-kingdom-limit?page=1#post185752

    https://puu.sh/uNnbg/9ed2bf95eb.jpg

    Seems they told people to disregard the limit at some point, dunno but looks like they should have been clear and put limit right from the start.

    Like most KS if they offer something that really big for a big ticket price you can see right on the KS that those packages are limited.

    From the quote posted above yours it would appear the limits haven't been exceeded yet.

    As to placing the limits earlier, in reading the original thread they were fluid when these packages were first offered and now are no longer in question.

    But I won't be shedding any tears if anyone loses out in any of this.
    It hasn't been exceeded yet:

    So, those who have Kingdoms, Duchies, and Counties today - unless someone has purchased beyond the cap that I'm not aware of, will have their chosen servers.

    Post edited by Forgrimm on
  • SpottyGekkoSpottyGekko JohannesburgMember EpicPosts: 6,542
    It's CoE, lol, what do you expect ?

    "Make it up as you go along" is their Standard Operating Procedure... :lol:
  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Boca Raton, FLMember EpicPosts: 7,196
    It's CoE, lol, what do you expect ?

    "Make it up as you go along" is their Standard Operating Procedure... :lol:
    Keep in mind that they STILL haven't published the price lists for their in-house currency called Exposition Points (EP).  They've just been selling them all this time... they at one point had a preliminary list but then pulled it back and said they were re-evaluating the prices.  

    You pay me for tokens today and I'll tell you what they can buy next year... 

    Sounds like a solid business model.

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  • Solar_ProphetSolar_Prophet Columbus, OHMember RarePosts: 1,687
    What else did you expect from pay-to-win trash like this?

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  • alivenaliven SzczytnoMember UncommonPosts: 265
    It's CoE, lol, what do you expect ?

    "Make it up as you go along" is their Standard Operating Procedure... :lol:
    Keep in mind that they STILL haven't published the price lists for their in-house currency called Exposition Points (EP).  They've just been selling them all this time... they at one point had a preliminary list but then pulled it back and said they were re-evaluating the prices.  

    You pay me for tokens today and I'll tell you what they can buy next year... 

    Sounds like a solid business model.
    Everything is solid buisness model when you sell to fools. 
  • Asm0deusAsm0deus BaatorMember RarePosts: 2,003
    edited March 20
    Forgrimm said:
    Kyleran said:
    Asm0deus said:
    Did you read this post from the same thread?

    https://chroniclesofelyria.com/forum/topic/17939/the-five-kingdom-limit?page=1#post185752

    https://puu.sh/uNnbg/9ed2bf95eb.jpg

    Seems they told people to disregard the limit at some point, dunno but looks like they should have been clear and put limit right from the start.

    Like most KS if they offer something that really big for a big ticket price you can see right on the KS that those packages are limited.

    From the quote posted above yours it would appear the limits haven't been exceeded yet.

    As to placing the limits earlier, in reading the original thread they were fluid when these packages were first offered and now are no longer in question.

    But I won't be shedding any tears if anyone loses out in any of this.
    It hasn't been exceeded yet:

    So, those who have Kingdoms, Duchies, and Counties today - unless someone has purchased beyond the cap that I'm not aware of, will have their chosen servers.

    That would be good news for the people affected, though I am under the impression this doesn't count the lay-away folks?

    Like kyleran I wont lose sleep if these peeps lose out.


    Either way what they are doing is still very shoddy.
    Post edited by Asm0deus on

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  • SpottyGekkoSpottyGekko JohannesburgMember EpicPosts: 6,542
    Asm0deus said:
    Forgrimm said:
    Kyleran said:
    Asm0deus said:
    Did you read this post from the same thread?

    https://chroniclesofelyria.com/forum/topic/17939/the-five-kingdom-limit?page=1#post185752

    https://puu.sh/uNnbg/9ed2bf95eb.jpg

    Seems they told people to disregard the limit at some point, dunno but looks like they should have been clear and put limit right from the start.

    Like most KS if they offer something that really big for a big ticket price you can see right on the KS that those packages are limited.

    From the quote posted above yours it would appear the limits haven't been exceeded yet.

    As to placing the limits earlier, in reading the original thread they were fluid when these packages were first offered and now are no longer in question.

    But I won't be shedding any tears if anyone loses out in any of this.
    It hasn't been exceeded yet:

    So, those who have Kingdoms, Duchies, and Counties today - unless someone has purchased beyond the cap that I'm not aware of, will have their chosen servers.

    That would be good news for the people affected, though I am under the impression this doesn't count the lay-away folks?

    Like kyleran I wont lose sleep if these peeps lose out.


    Either way what they are doing is still very shoddy.
    It's just standard Marketing.

    The veiled warning is directed at the lay-away's: "Best to pay in full for your kingship NOW, we can't guarantee it indefinitely, stocks are limited !" :glasses:
  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Boca Raton, FLMember EpicPosts: 7,196
    This is the only quote that you really need to determine the level of "screwed up" involved in this game/company:

    We will be, in an upcoming store update, limiting the number of kings, dukes, and counts per server. If you purchase a King package before we get a chance to put a cap on the purchase page, you're going to find yourself either on a server you didn't plan on, or without a kingdom."

    Note there is no option that says "Because we are unable to code a simple limit on these purchases we will refund you if we cannot fulfill the package you bought".  

    It's all about the Benjamins... and once they get em, they aren't letting them go.

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  • genaknoscgenaknosc Member UncommonPosts: 81
    It took them like 3 months to get their website store working, I doubt they are going to dick with it now...
  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Boca Raton, FLMember EpicPosts: 7,196
    In case folks missed it.  https://chroniclesofelyria.com/forum/topic/17978/no-support

    This thread is from someone in Germany that purchased the $10k Buy 2 King package (you can tell it's real because he is listed as Tier 12).  6 pages in and not a hint of a refund offered to the guy.  

    This is caused by the absolutely mess of a system they have (which doesn't bode well for the game design...).  They are selling Buy 2 King packages but they are NOT locked to a particular server.  They have a limit of 6 per server but have sold 19 Buy 2 King slots and have 4 servers (US-W, US-E, Euro, Asia). Sounds great right?  Well it would be if people didn't care about the server they played on, but as these servers will be physically housed in their home region the King Distribution is very imbalanced.   Euro server currently shows 7 Kingdoms.  Yup, that's one more than 6... so someone is screwed.  Also, don't forget that in their desire to raise cash they allowed a player to buy MULTIPLE Buy 2 King slots... (As of a few months ago this player had spent $40k)

    Server choice for your Kingdom is based on the date you bought it.  Also, these choices are NOT locked in so someone can change their mind at any time. As a matter of fact, in some of the drama screenshots in the linked thread they are showing a plan to screw even MORE people.  Since server selection is based on purchase date, they are talking about secretly trading accounts so that an early account can be used on a "full" server to bump yet more people.   What a wonderful player base they have built up! 

    "I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator

    Starvault's reponse to criticism related to having a handful of players as the official "test" team for a supposed MMO: "We've just have another 10ish folk kind enough to voulenteer added tot the test team" (SIC) This explains much about the state of the game :-)

  • Asm0deusAsm0deus BaatorMember RarePosts: 2,003
    edited March 21
    ....snip.....
    It's just standard Marketing.

    The veiled warning is directed at the lay-away's: "Best to pay in full for your kingship NOW, we can't guarantee it indefinitely, stocks are limited !" :glasses:
    Not so standard considering they are having issues AND they clearly told people buying King packages to ignore the limit at some point.  See one of my previous posts with a quote showing so.

    Also looks like they have indeed exceeded their limit which is something which should have been clear from the get go.


    Seems fraudulent IMO.
    Post edited by Asm0deus on

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  • Octagon7711Octagon7711 Chicago, ILMember EpicPosts: 5,744



    Means they should have hard caps on the numbers already.  Unless they just didn't bother to think caps in advance were needed or like someone else said they now want the lay-a-ways and hold outs to put up their money asap instead of waiting to see how the game is developing before fully committing.

    "Change is the only constant."

  • WellspringWellspring Charlotte, NCMember RarePosts: 455
    So basically, as of now, CoE is refusing to refund an out-of-stock/discontinued product that was purchased, when it no longer should have even been listed for sale on their store page? Wow, no words...

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  • CaffynatedCaffynated Shadowbane, TXMember UncommonPosts: 269
    In case folks missed it.  https://chroniclesofelyria.com/forum/topic/17978/no-support

    This thread is from someone in Germany that purchased the $10k Buy 2 King package (you can tell it's real because he is listed as Tier 12).  6 pages in and not a hint of a refund offered to the guy.  

    This is caused by the absolutely mess of a system they have (which doesn't bode well for the game design...).  They are selling Buy 2 King packages but they are NOT locked to a particular server.  They have a limit of 6 per server but have sold 19 Buy 2 King slots and have 4 servers (US-W, US-E, Euro, Asia). Sounds great right?  Well it would be if people didn't care about the server they played on, but as these servers will be physically housed in their home region the King Distribution is very imbalanced.   Euro server currently shows 7 Kingdoms.  Yup, that's one more than 6... so someone is screwed.  Also, don't forget that in their desire to raise cash they allowed a player to buy MULTIPLE Buy 2 King slots... (As of a few months ago this player had spent $40k)

    Server choice for your Kingdom is based on the date you bought it.  Also, these choices are NOT locked in so someone can change their mind at any time. As a matter of fact, in some of the drama screenshots in the linked thread they are showing a plan to screw even MORE people.  Since server selection is based on purchase date, they are talking about secretly trading accounts so that an early account can be used on a "full" server to bump yet more people.   What a wonderful player base they have built up! 
    That's the point where you contact your credit card company and tell them you've been the victim of fraud. You're pretty likely to get all of your money back if you can show any deception or failure to deliver on the product/service that was advertised.
  • alivenaliven SzczytnoMember UncommonPosts: 265
    In case folks missed it.  https://chroniclesofelyria.com/forum/topic/17978/no-support

    This thread is from someone in Germany that purchased the $10k Buy 2 King package (you can tell it's real because he is listed as Tier 12).  6 pages in and not a hint of a refund offered to the guy.  

    This is caused by the absolutely mess of a system they have (which doesn't bode well for the game design...).  They are selling Buy 2 King packages but they are NOT locked to a particular server.  They have a limit of 6 per server but have sold 19 Buy 2 King slots and have 4 servers (US-W, US-E, Euro, Asia). Sounds great right?  Well it would be if people didn't care about the server they played on, but as these servers will be physically housed in their home region the King Distribution is very imbalanced.   Euro server currently shows 7 Kingdoms.  Yup, that's one more than 6... so someone is screwed.  Also, don't forget that in their desire to raise cash they allowed a player to buy MULTIPLE Buy 2 King slots... (As of a few months ago this player had spent $40k)

    Server choice for your Kingdom is based on the date you bought it.  Also, these choices are NOT locked in so someone can change their mind at any time. As a matter of fact, in some of the drama screenshots in the linked thread they are showing a plan to screw even MORE people.  Since server selection is based on purchase date, they are talking about secretly trading accounts so that an early account can be used on a "full" server to bump yet more people.   What a wonderful player base they have built up! 
    When would idiots realize that DO NOT BUY EARLY ACCES AND PRE ORDERS!
    I hope he get his money back. He is still a tool. 
  • RenoakuRenoaku Member RarePosts: 2,289
    Charge Back / Lawyer Up if you spent 10k on this game lol.
  • SpottyGekkoSpottyGekko JohannesburgMember EpicPosts: 6,542
    Comedy Central !

    Their big website and Cash Shop revamp was an epic clusterfu*k. What they said would take a week turned into around 2 months.

    Now the squabbling over what is in the Cash Shop has been dragging on for months. They started by selling "royalty titles" and associated land grants. Apparently without knowing how many would be in the final game. 

    Then they ramped it up to sell "reward points" that could be exchanged for real items during the closed 3-month head start. Only to stop selling the points a while later when players insisted on seeing a full list of the things the points could be spent on. They apparently hadn't made a full list yet...

    Meanwhile, they've been dropping hints that their KS-promised launch date is "under pressure". CoE looks like it may take twice as long as first promised. And that's just the first revised estimate. Watch this space...

    Looks to me like CoE is going to be a long series of "bait and switch" moments...
  • MikehaMikeha Member EpicPosts: 7,751
    I just do not understand why do people keep falling for the same thing over and over.
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  • ShaighShaigh Member RarePosts: 1,459
    Recore said:
    I just do not understand why do people keep falling for the same thing over and over.
    There's a sucker born every day.
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  • TekkonTekkon Member UncommonPosts: 3
    Xirik said:
    https://chroniclesofelyria.com/forum/topic/17939/the-five-kingdom-limit?page=2#post185819

    Caspian just confirmed they are leaving it at 6 kingdoms and not budging. Now the problem is, there's 13 kingdoms between 2 servers. There are two of three layaway kingdoms and possibly more unknown ones.

    Looks like some of those people who put in more money then the Duke pledge will be forced not to get what they want but be forced to become a duke and have extra ingame money (lol)

    Layaway is not paid Kingdom. That's been clear since day 1.
  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Boca Raton, FLMember EpicPosts: 7,196
    https://chroniclesofelyria.com/forum/topic/18003/biggest-bombshell-of-them-all?page=1#31

    They closed the prior thread but another 6 page one has sprung up.  The root issue here is that they posted a 6 Kingdom cap for each server, but you just buy slots... not locked to a server.   I am sure they just assumed that everyone on the internet would just play nice and follow their unstated, but intended behavior.

    This bodes REALLY well for how their FFA  PvP gets implemented.  I mean... what could possibly go wrong there?


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    Starvault's reponse to criticism related to having a handful of players as the official "test" team for a supposed MMO: "We've just have another 10ish folk kind enough to voulenteer added tot the test team" (SIC) This explains much about the state of the game :-)

  • TheocritusTheocritus Gary, INMember RarePosts: 5,366
    Recore said:
    I just do not understand why do people keep falling for the same thing over and over.
    I know many intelligent gamers but 90% of them have zero business sense. Once someone mentions a game their wallets are open no matter what state the game is in nor how long it will be before they can even play it...Gamers have instilled in them that "I have to be first" and will pay any price to reach that goal.
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