Conan Exiles launches with "mixed reviews"

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  • ste2000ste2000 londonMember EpicPosts: 6,194
    Buccaneer said:
    This is why EA is a bad idea.  First impressions count and people buy into games that are not fully developed expecting a great experience but come away disappointed.


    Steam need to make this message bigger (just above the buy options).  Not having a go at you OP; just peoples expectations with EA games.

    This Early Access game is not complete and may or may not change further. If you are not excited to play this game in its current state, then you should wait to see if the game progresses further in development.
    An Early Access game should be a complete functional game almost fully polished, not an Alpha version of the game.
    As I said in another thread, selling Alpha games with the Early Access label should be illegal, and probably already is.

  • NycteliosNyctelios Novo Hamburgo - RS - BrazilMember EpicPosts: 2,248
    ste2000 said:
    Buccaneer said:
    This is why EA is a bad idea.  First impressions count and people buy into games that are not fully developed expecting a great experience but come away disappointed.


    Steam need to make this message bigger (just above the buy options).  Not having a go at you OP; just peoples expectations with EA games.

    This Early Access game is not complete and may or may not change further. If you are not excited to play this game in its current state, then you should wait to see if the game progresses further in development.
    An Early Access game should be a complete functional game almost fully polished, not an Alpha version of the game.
    As I said in another thread, selling Alpha games with the Early Access label should be illegal, and probably already is.

    It is. But try to sue a overseas digital entertainment company. It's quite impossible. I don't know why people think just because it is entertainment it doesn't need to follow the rules and obey the laws that protect costumers. False advertising is for everyone. If you make a stream and say something will be there and it is not you are doing illegal shit (not the case here, just pointing out a vague example).

    That's the whole reason behind the new Steam refund system: You bought something, you paid for a product, and it is not working as intended. You get an automatic refund, no questions asked.

    This EA bull**** is just another payment exploitation that the boiled frogs accepted as standard. They call the game "pre-alpha", ok, where are the grey boxes? Where are the collision test? Do people even know what is an alpha stage of a project?

    This game is done. The bugs, the flaws, they are not due it's project state, they are due rushed development and/or incompetence. Which would not see the light of the day if people would not accept "Early Alpha" as a shield for mediocrity. 

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  • Gobstopper3DGobstopper3D Member UncommonPosts: 521
    edited February 2
    I don't do EA games, pre-orders, or fund me type games.  I don't give a $... if a company puts a disclaimer on their game saying it many be a pile a trash, buy at your own risk.  If you charge for an unfinished product, then your going to get a review like it's finished.  If you don't want those type of reviews, don't give access to the game until it's done.

    What happened to closed alpha/beta testers where you used to be required to fill out a form and then possibly an interview with one of the devs?  Then you got access (for free) to help test what they wanted you to test and for the most part, games came out with fewer bugs than they do now.  Instead, they charge you to play the game early and the studio hides behind the, "but it's not done yet" statement.  It's just a way for the studio to get money early on the game.

    The state of gaming today is bad on all levels and the ignorance of it's player base is a big part of the problem.
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  • ste2000ste2000 londonMember EpicPosts: 6,194
    I don't do EA games, pre-orders, or fund me type games.  I don't give a $... if a company puts a disclaimer on their game saying it many be a pile a trash, buy at your own risk.  If you charge for an unfinished product, then your going to get a review like it's finished.  If you don't want those type of reviews, don't give access to the game until it's done.

    That's what is all about.
    If you decide to charge for an unfinished product the least a Company can do it's to expect harsh reviews.
    No one gives a damn about their poor excuses.
    If the game is in such bad shape, leave it in closed Alpha until is ready for the public otherwise just take the EA money and shut up, and stop crying rivers of tears over well deserved bad reviews.

  • kitaradkitarad RomeMember EpicPosts: 3,700
    edited February 2
    I don't think they care about harsh reviews because they can blame it on early access and the possibility the problem will be addressed at some future date. There are more benefits than disadvantages to Early Access.
    Post edited by kitarad on

  • herculeshercules lancashire,blackpoolMember UncommonPosts: 4,897
    way i look at it is down to the cost of the game
    nowadays a full released game is about $30 or so with discounts
    So charging $30 for an alpha game no matter what  you write about it been EA will lead to complaints
    I personally do not mind EA if i am interested in the game.I did H1Z1 for months and felt i got my gameplay out  of it 
  • PottedPlant22PottedPlant22 Member RarePosts: 722
    edited February 2

    ste2000 said:
    An Early Access game should be a complete functional game almost fully polished, not an Alpha version of the game.
    Post edited by PottedPlant22 on
  • coretex666coretex666 PragueMember RarePosts: 3,216
    The fact that the game is in early access works both ways in regards with the steam reviews.

    You can see that there are positive reviews saying something like "the game is good FOR AN EARLY ACCESS".


    Posters saying that people should not anticipate a polished game when they are buying into an early access title and should not complain about related issues like latency, etc. are correct, in my opinion.

    On the other hand, the businesses should anticipate that people will behave this way and they should make a deliberate decision whether it is financially beneficial to launch an early access game to generate upfront revenues, but with a potential impact on future sales due to negative reviews.

    I am personally concerned with the general customer behavior here. Everyone gets hyped and completely ignore that the game is in alpha / pre-alpha state when they are buying it on day 1. The financial success of this monetization model only fosters the tendency of other businesses to apply it and it got us where we are now. Too many games are launching in an unfinished state with no release date and often with no intention of the developer to actually release them. Early access pretty much became a norm and I think it is wrong. 

    I am saying this as a "proud owner" of DayZ which I bought when I was still young and handsome.
  • PottedPlant22PottedPlant22 Member RarePosts: 722
    No.  The point is Steam specifically has a description that I posted above explaining exactly what Early Access means for Steam.  The responsibility is upon the  consumer 100% to be fully aware of what they  are actually paying for at that time.  Any expectation in purchasing a game on Steam in Early Access should be one that is in heavy development.  There is no wiggle room and no allowance for any other interpretation.  None.  Zero.  Zilch.  Nada.
  • ste2000ste2000 londonMember EpicPosts: 6,194
    edited February 2

    ste2000 said:
    An Early Access game should be a complete functional game almost fully polished, not an Alpha version of the game.
    I don't care about the definition, I know what EA games are.
    You missed my "should" apparently.

    That's a definition that Steam pulled out of its arse, because before Early Access meant a few weeks Head Start (which is what it should be), they basically hijacked the definition and turned the EA into this pile of BS.

    Anyway, just because it is a well accepted (and convenient) business model within the industry, it doesn't make it right, and although I am not an expert I suspect that it is not even legal.
    But as no one ever challenged this business model yet, companies are free to exploit it to the full.

    They should call most of those games for what they are, Alpha Access or Beta Access, but I bet if they use this definition they won't get as many sales.

    Post edited by ste2000 on

  • KyleranKyleran Paradise City, FLMember LegendaryPosts: 26,669
    edited February 2
    ste2000 said:

    ste2000 said:
    An Early Access game should be a complete functional game almost fully polished, not an Alpha version of the game.
    I don't care about the definition, I know what EA games are.
    You missed my "should" apparently.

    That's a definition that Steam pulled out of its arse, because before Early Access meant a few weeks Head Start (which is what it should be), they basically hijacked the definition and turned the EA into this pile of BS.

    Anyway, just because it is a well accepted (and convenient) business model within the industry, it doesn't make it right, and although I am not an expert I suspect that it is not even legal.
    But as no one ever challenged this business model yet, companies are free to exploit it to the full.

    They should call most of those games for what they are, Alpha Access or Beta Access, but I bet if they use this definition they won't get as many sales.

    Steam defines EA in a manner that lets them sell sh!t and make money off of it.

    One reason I don't buy from Steam.
    Post edited by Kyleran on

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  • xpsyncxpsync VvardenfellMember UncommonPosts: 600
    edited February 2
    I was interested in Exiles and still am but just not as much, on the fence. First it's EA so... it's anyone's guess if it will ever officially release, it's Funcom so they definitely get my benefit of the doubt. Second, was a little alarmed at how similar it is to Ark, I'm already burnt out on ARK and it's not even released, this did not help my desire to grab Exiles at this time. But again, it's Funcom, most respected gaming studio there is, so keeping watch.
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  • TalulaRoseTalulaRose Long Island, NYMember RarePosts: 1,053
    mgilbrtsn said:
    Way to early to draw conclusions.  Especially on launch day.  Everyone knows there are gonna be issues.  I'm willing to bet there were a bunch of fanboys and haters chomping at the bit to load up and rush to the reviews.

    Give it  few weeks, then you'll start getting better reviews that are a bit more thought out.
    FYI - There was no launch day.
  • LerxstLerxst Phx, AZMember UncommonPosts: 634
    Distopia said:
    Distopia said:



    This would break it for me. There is forced voice communication in this? Or is this an optional thing? I hate hearing people talk in games, its the most immersion thing to come to gaming experience possible. I don't even like to hear people talk in MMOs.

    And the MMOs that force you to use it (for raids or PvP), I say I'm deaf and can't hear anyone and hearing aids don't work for me. I know that might be wrong to people who are truly deaf, but its literally the only thing one can say if they don't want to be forced to use voice chat in a game.
    You can turn that off ( mute the voice chat volume) there is in game txt chat if you prefer that route. 
    awesome! :D That is good. The poster I quoted made it sound like it was a forced thing that couldn't be turned off.
    Agreed I hate most voice chat. Being forced would be a deal breaker for me as well.
    That would make for some good entertainment value... seeing a bunch of mutes jumping around naked and acting stupid. Doesn't really make for good game play though.

    I prefer assigning my own voices to people when I read their text in games. The problem is, people with mics almost refuse to type anything in the goddamned chat box, ignore people who do type and basically form their own little "cliques" acting deaf and blind towards anyone else.

    I muted mic chat and it was a verrrrrrrrrry lonely experience. Out of 70 people on, only 1 other bothered typing anything.

    So no, it's not required, but if you want any form of interaction with anyone in the game, you need to keep it on or you just become a "second class citizen" to everyone else.
  • CrusadecrusherCrusadecrusher Member UncommonPosts: 283
    edited February 2
    Kyleran said:
    ste2000 said:

    ste2000 said:
    An Early Access game should be a complete functional game almost fully polished, not an Alpha version of the game.
    I don't care about the definition, I know what EA games are.
    You missed my "should" apparently.

    That's a definition that Steam pulled out of its arse, because before Early Access meant a few weeks Head Start (which is what it should be), they basically hijacked the definition and turned the EA into this pile of BS.

    Anyway, just because it is a well accepted (and convenient) business model within the industry, it doesn't make it right, and although I am not an expert I suspect that it is not even legal.
    But as no one ever challenged this business model yet, companies are free to exploit it to the full.

    They should call most of those games for what they are, Alpha Access or Beta Access, but I bet if they use this definition they won't get as many sales.

    Steam defines EA in a manner that lets them sell sh!t and make money off of it.

    One reason I don't buy from Steam.
    Well good for you...the fact is steam couldn't  care less what you or a few others on site like this think.  You are clearly not their audience and clearly in the minority when it comes to gaming TODAY.  At least those like you have a safe space here at mmorpg to complain everyday about video games. 
    Post edited by Crusadecrusher on
  • ForgrimmForgrimm Somewhere in TimeMember EpicPosts: 2,703
    Kyleran said:
    ste2000 said:

    ste2000 said:
    An Early Access game should be a complete functional game almost fully polished, not an Alpha version of the game.
    I don't care about the definition, I know what EA games are.
    You missed my "should" apparently.

    That's a definition that Steam pulled out of its arse, because before Early Access meant a few weeks Head Start (which is what it should be), they basically hijacked the definition and turned the EA into this pile of BS.

    Anyway, just because it is a well accepted (and convenient) business model within the industry, it doesn't make it right, and although I am not an expert I suspect that it is not even legal.
    But as no one ever challenged this business model yet, companies are free to exploit it to the full.

    They should call most of those games for what they are, Alpha Access or Beta Access, but I bet if they use this definition they won't get as many sales.

    Steam defines EA in a manner that lets them sell sh!t and make money off of it.

    One reason I don't buy from Steam.
    Well good for you...the fact is steam could care less what you or a few others on site like this think.  You are clearly not their audience and clearly in the minority when it comes to gaming TODAY.  At least those like you have a safe space here at mmorpg to complain everyday about video games. 
    If they "could care less" that means that they care somewhat...
  • MorpayneMorpayne Member UncommonPosts: 19
    if you've played both Conan and ARK you need to be honest with yourself and admit that eventually, Conan will replace its predecessor as the go-to survival game. Its that good.

    That being said, its pretty damn rough around the edges at the moment but to be fair, it is EA.
  • RenoakuRenoaku Member RarePosts: 2,362
    edited February 2
    The concept of the game is great, I do like it...

    But here are the complaints.

    1.) Denuvo causing performance issues      > Doesn't link people to denuvo F.A.Q
    2.) Battleye, Anti Cheat required                    > Not disclosed on the Conan Exiles Buy Page.

    3.) Private Hosted Servers rather than a MMO?
    What sucks is you create a character, and it stays on a server if the server ever goes down, or its full and you can't get in forget it...

    If you ask me what FunCom needs to do is scrap the current game, and make it more like a MMORPG, private servers could still be a thing if people want maybe a possibility, but I would rather be able to log into my character any time I want 100% chance to get in and play there is no reason why this game shouldn't be like this Instead FunCom is taking the cheap away about it telling people to run their own servers for the game, and Over-All due to this I don't think its going to be very popular....

    I just have no faith in FunCom, making a good MMORPG after what I call their last two failures.
    Post edited by Renoaku on
  • KyleranKyleran Paradise City, FLMember LegendaryPosts: 26,669
    Kyleran said:
    ste2000 said:

    ste2000 said:
    An Early Access game should be a complete functional game almost fully polished, not an Alpha version of the game.
    I don't care about the definition, I know what EA games are.
    You missed my "should" apparently.

    That's a definition that Steam pulled out of its arse, because before Early Access meant a few weeks Head Start (which is what it should be), they basically hijacked the definition and turned the EA into this pile of BS.

    Anyway, just because it is a well accepted (and convenient) business model within the industry, it doesn't make it right, and although I am not an expert I suspect that it is not even legal.
    But as no one ever challenged this business model yet, companies are free to exploit it to the full.

    They should call most of those games for what they are, Alpha Access or Beta Access, but I bet if they use this definition they won't get as many sales.

    Steam defines EA in a manner that lets them sell sh!t and make money off of it.

    One reason I don't buy from Steam.
    Well good for you...the fact is steam could care less what you or a few others on site like this think.  You are clearly not their audience and clearly in the minority when it comes to gaming TODAY.  At least those like you have a safe space here at mmorpg to complain everyday about video games. 
    LOL, welcome to my house

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  • CrusadecrusherCrusadecrusher Member UncommonPosts: 283
    Kyleran said:
    Kyleran said:
    ste2000 said:

    ste2000 said:
    An Early Access game should be a complete functional game almost fully polished, not an Alpha version of the game.
    I don't care about the definition, I know what EA games are.
    You missed my "should" apparently.

    That's a definition that Steam pulled out of its arse, because before Early Access meant a few weeks Head Start (which is what it should be), they basically hijacked the definition and turned the EA into this pile of BS.

    Anyway, just because it is a well accepted (and convenient) business model within the industry, it doesn't make it right, and although I am not an expert I suspect that it is not even legal.
    But as no one ever challenged this business model yet, companies are free to exploit it to the full.

    They should call most of those games for what they are, Alpha Access or Beta Access, but I bet if they use this definition they won't get as many sales.

    Steam defines EA in a manner that lets them sell sh!t and make money off of it.

    One reason I don't buy from Steam.
    Well good for you...the fact is steam could care less what you or a few others on site like this think.  You are clearly not their audience and clearly in the minority when it comes to gaming TODAY.  At least those like you have a safe space here at mmorpg to complain everyday about video games. 
    LOL, welcome to my house
    Pretty sad you are so happy and think you are somehow cool by complaining about video games all day every day in your little safe space. 

  • BruceYeeBruceYee Member RarePosts: 1,054
    They obviously don't care about the reviews because they probably don't plan on sticking with this game long term. Just like with Lego Minifigures they will make it, collect $$$ then move on to a new project.
  • RenoakuRenoaku Member RarePosts: 2,362
    BruceYee said:
    They obviously don't care about the reviews because they probably don't plan on sticking with this game long term. Just like with Lego Minifigures they will make it, collect $$$ then move on to a new project.
    Which is sad because I really love the concept of the game looks great, Great to have a game that finally supports cave-men lol and not like Rust with censorship.
  • LackingMMOLackingMMO Tucson, AZMember UncommonPosts: 195
    I have 6 hours on record right now. All of that to my surprise has been spent in single player mode. I bought this with the intent of playing online only but I'm not the greatest at survival games so wanted to get my feet wet before I went into pvp land. I found the game very fun, not as tedious as other survivals, might be because of the setting and the lore behind it but it just seems very fitting. Havent had any AI issues, lag, anything overly complicated. Only thing that happened was I started building myself a house against a giant tree, when I logged back in the tree was gone but where it was located it actually freed up a ton of space to make my structure bigger so it lost a cool look but created an area for me to expand my build. So good and bad I guess? lol.

    Seems a lot of the issues people are having are only due to online play, ill give that some time until fixed, right now I'm enjoying solo play. Best thing I can say is if you want to play get it with the intent of learning the ropes by yourself or toughing it out with server issues for short term or waiting a month or so for those issues to be fixed then grab it.
  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Nashville, TNMember EpicPosts: 2,793
    edited February 3
    NEXTLEVL said:
    As is the problem with Early Access, people always expecting a live server rendition.
    While I agree that Early Access has become a problem, I believe the fault lies squarely with the industry developers/publishers, not the players.

    If you're going to sell something, folks expect a certain level of quality.  No one forced anybody to buy into Early Access, but nobody forced the developer/publisher to offer the game in its current form, either.
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  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Nashville, TNMember EpicPosts: 2,793

    ste2000 said:
    An Early Access game should be a complete functional game almost fully polished, not an Alpha version of the game.
    While I understand and respect your perspective Potted, that definition is as ambiguous as any other.

    Development could simply mean class balancing feedback, or it could mean building core game systems from the ground up.

    And the part about games as services made me cringe...  Show me another service where the producer gets you to buy in before the scope of the product they're offering is even nailed down..  There's a reason that, traditionally, the person buying in during that transaction stands to gain on eventual profits.

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