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How would you rate Rogue One?

filmoretfilmoret Palm Bay, FLPosts: 4,682Member Epic
edited December 2016 in Off-Topic Discussion
After watching the movie I definitely think it was better then the last movie  How would you rate it?

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  • AsheramAsheram Posts: 2,176Member Uncommon
    8.

    The force is with me, I am one with the force, the force is with me, I am one with the force, the force is with me, I am one with the force, the force is with me, I am one with the force.

    Donnie Yen was hilarious, "awe come on, you know I am blind right?!" :)

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  • filmoretfilmoret Palm Bay, FLPosts: 4,682Member Epic
    9.
    Yea my daughter cracked up when she shot the robot that looked like the other robot.
  • ApexTKMApexTKM Starkiller BasePosts: 311Member Uncommon
    10. Movie was awesome.
    There were some funny parts of the movie but this is probably by far the best star wars movie out and I probably will have this rated over star wars 8
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  • VolgoreVolgore Posts: 3,823Member Epic
    8.
    Felicity owns Daisy.

    Deal with it.

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  • waynejr2waynejr2 West Toluca Lake, CAPosts: 7,280Member Epic
    6.
    It was better than 7.
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  • AeliousAelious OregonPosts: 3,379Member Uncommon
    5.
    It was okay, middle of the road. Parts were funny, the scenes with K-2SO especially, but the obvious messages they were protraying was kind of tiresome. I'm still hoping for a decent antagonist for Episode VIII.
  • waynejr2waynejr2 West Toluca Lake, CAPosts: 7,280Member Epic
    6.
    Aelious said:
    It was okay, middle of the road. Parts were funny, the scenes with K-2SO especially, but the obvious messages they were protraying was kind of tiresome. I'm still hoping for a decent antagonist for Episode VIII.

    It is kind of sad that my favorite scene was the ending where Vader goes into slaughter mode and the ship flying off into space.

    They father daughter story really felt forced to me.
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    Kyleran:  "Now there's the real trick, learning to accept and enjoy a game for what it offers rather than pass on what might be a great playing experience because it lacks a few features you prefer."

    John Henry Newman: "A man would do nothing if he waited until he could do it so well that no one could find fault."

    FreddyNoNose:  "A good game needs no defense; a bad game has no defense." "Easily digested content is just as easily forgotten."

    LacedOpium: "So the question that begs to be asked is, if you are not interested in the game mechanics that define the MMORPG genre, then why are you playing an MMORPG?"



  • GorweGorwe Ald'RuhnPosts: 3,560Member Rare
    8.
    Aelious said:
    It was okay, middle of the road. Parts were funny, the scenes with K-2SO especially, but the obvious messages they were protraying was kind of tiresome. I'm still hoping for a decent antagonist for Episode VIII.
    What messages? And why do I never notice them if they're so "in your face"?
  • VolgoreVolgore Posts: 3,823Member Epic
    8.
    SPOILERS AHEAD!






    DON'T READ ANY FURTHER!









    There were many, many scenes that i liked alot and that made me feel like when i watched the very first movie as a kid.
    Altogether, i LOVED that they went back to the dirty, gritty, worn out and desperate look of everything.

    As in TheForceAwakens, i liked the "modern touch" of this movie -while it was still so old school and familiar at the same time. Camera angles and camera movement, the "flow" of the scenes during flights and fights.


    The movie has some VERY impressive shots, like the Star Destroyer hovering over Jedha and it's take off or  Vader's citadel on Mustafar and the camera flight up to it. Once the movie got going were are so many scenes that left me in awe. So many powerful and bombastic takes. The fight on Eadu and how the XWings fly through the rainy night. The Xwings are daredevils here, dynamic and really powerful in every fight. Unleash serious devastation instead of just being picked down like flies like in some of the other movies. The impact of their lasers and explosions shook my seat in the theater.

    The final third of the movie is just one superlative after another. How the rebel fleet appears from hyper space over Scarif right at the shield-station which is casually guarded by two star destroyers.... the following space fight ..woow!! I was on the edge of my seat when a couple of Xwings managed to head first dive into the shield-gate and later ones crashed on the shield.

    And when the fleet took off into hyperspace again and in that very second Vader's star destroyer pops up incoming from hyperspace, already firing and destroying some rebel ships before they managed to jump.


    Usually i'm a geek and totally nitpicking each movie or tv-show to death. I'm on the phone with my cousin after every episode of The Walking Dead and we literally pick it apart.
    But with Rogue One, i just enjoyed the spectacle.. not looking for plot holes or something.

    Tarkin/Leia's CGI, Vader being a bit odd etc etc.. so what? I could also find all these flaws if i'd keep looking for them, but with Rogue One i just don't want to.


    Who thought that it would be Disney showing George Lucas how to make a Star Wars movie!



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  • filmoretfilmoret Palm Bay, FLPosts: 4,682Member Epic
    edited December 2016
    9.
    Gorwe said:
    Aelious said:
    It was okay, middle of the road. Parts were funny, the scenes with K-2SO especially, but the obvious messages they were protraying was kind of tiresome. I'm still hoping for a decent antagonist for Episode VIII.
    What messages? And why do I never notice them if they're so "in your face"?
    Maybe he's speaking of the cliche father/daughter who were separated blah blah... You know the rest cuz we seen it in 100 different movies/tv shows.  The antenna needs to be raised, the shield needs to go down,  the button needs to be pressed and the bad guy shows up right when that is about to happen.

    I was moved by the ending how they died.  I was expecting some cheezy robot/r2d2 scene to whisk them away and save them.  And then they had to leave because of the important information and we saw it coming Princess Leah yet it was still touching.  Which brings us directly to the beginning of Episode 4 where leah is giving a message to r2d2 for Obiwan.
  • waynejr2waynejr2 West Toluca Lake, CAPosts: 7,280Member Epic
    6.
    filmoret said:
    Gorwe said:
    Aelious said:
    It was okay, middle of the road. Parts were funny, the scenes with K-2SO especially, but the obvious messages they were protraying was kind of tiresome. I'm still hoping for a decent antagonist for Episode VIII.
    What messages? And why do I never notice them if they're so "in your face"?
    Maybe he's speaking of the cliche father/daughter who were separated blah blah... You know the rest cuz we seen it in 100 different movies/tv shows.  The antenna needs to be raised, the shield needs to go down,  the button needs to be pressed and the bad guy shows up right when that is about to happen.

    I was moved by the ending how they died.  I was expecting some cheezy robot/r2d2 scene to whisk them away and save them.  And then they had to leave because of the important information and we saw it coming Princess Leah yet it was still touching.  Which brings us directly to the beginning of Episode 4 where leah is giving a message to r2d2 for Obiwan.

    Other than the vader ending, the fact that the died like that was a big plus for me.
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    Kyleran:  "Now there's the real trick, learning to accept and enjoy a game for what it offers rather than pass on what might be a great playing experience because it lacks a few features you prefer."

    John Henry Newman: "A man would do nothing if he waited until he could do it so well that no one could find fault."

    FreddyNoNose:  "A good game needs no defense; a bad game has no defense." "Easily digested content is just as easily forgotten."

    LacedOpium: "So the question that begs to be asked is, if you are not interested in the game mechanics that define the MMORPG genre, then why are you playing an MMORPG?"



  • GorweGorwe Ald'RuhnPosts: 3,560Member Rare
    8.
    Yeah, them dying instead of "BEAM ME UP!!! NO..." -> successful port -> Cassian and Jyn fall in love etc cheese and nonsense, was AWESOME. Would I love if they managed to scrape by(keep in mind my devotion to Warhammer Fantasy which is...Dark Heroic in its core)? YES. But sometimes the angels need to sacrifice themselves. So a hope could be reignited. A New Hope.
  • AeliousAelious OregonPosts: 3,379Member Uncommon
    5.
    Gorwe said:
    Aelious said:
    It was okay, middle of the road. Parts were funny, the scenes with K-2SO especially, but the obvious messages they were protraying was kind of tiresome. I'm still hoping for a decent antagonist for Episode VIII.
    What messages? And why do I never notice them if they're so "in your face"?


    While going through the process of getting my bachelor's degree I took a few classes that had me focus on the themes and messages in mediums like commercials, TV shows, movies, etc. It was eye opening and the abilities gained from it is enriching. I use these skills automatically now and though I am still able to appreciate something I can also be critical of the ingrained messages if need be. Rogue One is a great example of this.


    The Rebel Alliance, or the "good" entity, was comprised of all age groups, ethnicities, and sexes. They went to great lengths to cast and include a full spectrum of each and I think that's great. I love celebrating diversity.


    The Empire, or the "bad" entity? Old. White. Males (Unless you count Darth Vader, /rimshot ;)). Again, specifically cast that way as the vindictive and oppressive force against all that is free in the galaxy. Since it's Disney is this surprising? No, not really and it's sadly to be expected.


    Rogue One had a lot of good things about it and to be honest probably deserved better than a 5, more like a 7 if rating like grades. The acting was good, the picture will probably win awards, and the other themes such as the father/daughter angle was great as well. I'm just not willing to look past the laughable social slights.

  • AeliousAelious OregonPosts: 3,379Member Uncommon
    5.
    Asheram said:

    The force is with me, I am one with the force, the force is with me, I am one with the force, the force is with me, I am one with the force, the force is with me, I am one with the force.

    Donnie Yen was hilarious, "awe come on, you know I am blind right?!" :)

    Indeed, he was hillarious. I cheered insie when I first seen him as I love the IP Man movies he does. Great actor/martial artist. I do wish he had more of a Jedi role though and was stronger in the force.
  • cameltosiscameltosis ipswichPosts: 1,170Member Rare
    7.
    I have mixed feelings about the film. I'm a big star wars fan and still loved it, but there were significant problems that made the film really jarring. 

    There were two main problems with the film that prevent me giving it more than a 7. 

    1) Music

    They decided not to use the traditional star wars music, yet they made new music that sounded similar. It just felt wrong. Every time they got some music going it just reminded me how weird it sounded. It sounded like the shitty substitute music they use on other series when they're trying to spoof star wars but can't afford the rights to the music. 

    As background music is present throughout most of the movie, this really killed the atmosphere. It killed the star wars feel. The music lacked the emotional importance from the previous films, so I didn;t feel the usual ups and downs that I feel during the previous 7. That jarring feeling is present right from the opening. It took me 5 minutes to realise the film had even started due to dodgy music and lack of scrolling credits - I genuinely thought I was watching a cinema warning and so was waiting for the "don't forget to turn off your phone". 


    2) CGI / Old Characters

    I understand the need for it, but Tarkin and Leia looked awful as did their voices along with Vadars. With Tarkin, they could have just used a different actor, we wouldn't have cared. Leia, bit more tricky, but they could have just shown her from a distance or something. Same with Vadar, I'm sure they must have enough B-role of James Earl Jones to use his voice. 



    Beyond those two problems, it was a good film. I feel they could have leaned more heavily on the spy aspect and I feel like they should have explored some of the places a bit better. For example, they only briefly mention that the crystals being used for fuel on the death star are the same that power lightsabers. They should have explored that more, gone into the jedi caves / temples or whatever. 

    The father / daughter relationship did feel shoehorned in, as did Jyns desire to suddenly save the republic. To suddenly go from not caring to speaking passionately to the rebel council about the need for action....not buying it. 


    To me, in comparison to VII, I'd say this one had better acting / casting and a more gritty feel, but felt less star warsy. 

    My order of preference for the 8 films now stands at:

    1. Return of the Jedi
    2. A New Hope
    3= Force Awakens
    3= Rogue One
    5. Empire Strikes Back
    6. Phantom Menace
    7. Revenge of the Sith
    8. Attack of the Clones

    I know most people say Empire is the best, but honestly I get bored after Hoth. It has a great story line, introduces Yoda, proper training, the bounty hunters etc, but it lacks replayability. Once you've seen the film a few times, the second half of Empire just lets me down every time. 
  • filmoretfilmoret Palm Bay, FLPosts: 4,682Member Epic
    9.
    I have mixed feelings about the film. I'm a big star wars fan and still loved it, but there were significant problems that made the film really jarring. 



    2) CGI / Old Characters

    I understand the need for it, but Tarkin and Leia looked awful as did their voices along with Vadars. 
    I agree that Vader's voice was strange.  But man give Leia a break the woman is like 80 years old and they basically gave her makeup to look like she was 20 again.  Having the original Leia was worth it to me.  They easily could have went with an entirely different person and used CG to make her look like Leia.
  • Jean-Luc_PicardJean-Luc_Picard La BarrePosts: 6,021Member Epic
    8.
    Best Star Wars movie along with Empire Strikes Back and Revenge of the Sith for me.

    It also has the best Vader scene of all movies, and the best large scale battle too. I thought it would be hard to best the intro space battle of Revenge of the Sith, but they did it here.
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  • Jean-Luc_PicardJean-Luc_Picard La BarrePosts: 6,021Member Epic
    edited December 2016
    8.
    Aelious said:
    Gorwe said:
    Aelious said:
    It was okay, middle of the road. Parts were funny, the scenes with K-2SO especially, but the obvious messages they were protraying was kind of tiresome. I'm still hoping for a decent antagonist for Episode VIII.
    What messages? And why do I never notice them if they're so "in your face"?


    While going through the process of getting my bachelor's degree I took a few classes that had me focus on the themes and messages in mediums like commercials, TV shows, movies, etc. It was eye opening and the abilities gained from it is enriching. I use these skills automatically now and though I am still able to appreciate something I can also be critical of the ingrained messages if need be. Rogue One is a great example of this.


    The Rebel Alliance, or the "good" entity, was comprised of all age groups, ethnicities, and sexes. They went to great lengths to cast and include a full spectrum of each and I think that's great. I love celebrating diversity.


    The Empire, or the "bad" entity? Old. White. Males (Unless you count Darth Vader, /rimshot ;)). Again, specifically cast that way as the vindictive and oppressive force against all that is free in the galaxy. Since it's Disney is this surprising? No, not really and it's sadly to be expected.


    Rogue One had a lot of good things about it and to be honest probably deserved better than a 5, more like a 7 if rating like grades. The acting was good, the picture will probably win awards, and the other themes such as the father/daughter angle was great as well. I'm just not willing to look past the laughable social slights.

    Seems to me, sorry if I'm wrong, that it's more like you have your head up so deep up your own social standards that you can't expand past them in a sci-fi movie.

    First thing being that you can't see what's under a stormtrooper helmet. And last year's movie proved they can very well be black.
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  • ApexTKMApexTKM Starkiller BasePosts: 311Member Uncommon
    10. Movie was awesome.

    To me, in comparison to VII, I'd say this one had better acting / casting and a more gritty feel, but felt less star warsy. 

    My order of preference for the 8 films now stands at:

    1. Return of the Jedi
    2. A New Hope
    3= Force Awakens
    3= Rogue One
    5. Empire Strikes Back
    6. Phantom Menace
    7. Revenge of the Sith
    8. Attack of the Clones

    I know most people say Empire is the best, but honestly I get bored after Hoth. It has a great story line, introduces Yoda, proper training, the bounty hunters etc, but it lacks replayability. Once you've seen the film a few times, the second half of Empire just lets me down every time. 
    I will always have the post-return of the jedi timeline sequential movies like 7, 8, 9, rated last just because disney took the easy way out and copy and pasted the same story with different names and characters and their style of story telling is outdated its like going back to the first time television movies came out and hollywood now still using the same style from those first tv movies. Eventually your going to have to modernize the story.

    "star warsy" This is what people need to get out of their heads imo and open their mind up star wars is about the universe, not exactly what they show you every time in SW 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,clone wars,rebels(imo they should all be called brainwash star wars). What has yet to be seen and written is part of star wars its not always about the sith and jedi anymore its more complex now.

    There can be alot done with this franchise with their own version of a Law and Order series etc. but they choose not to do it for some reason because they want to continue copy and pasting outdated formulas and afraid of trying something new. I'm a huge star wars fan but not necessarily all of their movies and their old ones, at least some parts of it. Simply because I disagree with the way they are writing the lore. These star wars standalone movies now are a first step at least to start trying something different. Theres different type of star wars fans, the fanbase is somewhat split, its how its always been since the prequels came out etc.
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  • AeliousAelious OregonPosts: 3,379Member Uncommon
    edited December 2016
    5.
    Aelious said:
    Gorwe said:
    Aelious said:
    It was okay, middle of the road. Parts were funny, the scenes with K-2SO especially, but the obvious messages they were protraying was kind of tiresome. I'm still hoping for a decent antagonist for Episode VIII.
    What messages? And why do I never notice them if they're so "in your face"?


    While going through the process of getting my bachelor's degree I took a few classes that had me focus on the themes and messages in mediums like commercials, TV shows, movies, etc. It was eye opening and the abilities gained from it is enriching. I use these skills automatically now and though I am still able to appreciate something I can also be critical of the ingrained messages if need be. Rogue One is a great example of this.


    The Rebel Alliance, or the "good" entity, was comprised of all age groups, ethnicities, and sexes. They went to great lengths to cast and include a full spectrum of each and I think that's great. I love celebrating diversity.


    The Empire, or the "bad" entity? Old. White. Males (Unless you count Darth Vader, /rimshot ;)). Again, specifically cast that way as the vindictive and oppressive force against all that is free in the galaxy. Since it's Disney is this surprising? No, not really and it's sadly to be expected.


    Rogue One had a lot of good things about it and to be honest probably deserved better than a 5, more like a 7 if rating like grades. The acting was good, the picture will probably win awards, and the other themes such as the father/daughter angle was great as well. I'm just not willing to look past the laughable social slights.

    Seems to me, sorry if I'm wrong, that it's more like you have your head up so deep up your own social standards that you can't expand past them in a sci-fi movie.

    First thing being that you can't see what's under a stormtrooper helmet. And last year's movie proved they can very well be black.


    First, there is no need to be rude. I'm sorry if my open honesty offends you.

    Second, I explained very clearly that the casting was intentional. You can say, "oh, well it's a sci-fi, fantasy, etc." movie and suspend disbelief. It was intentional beyond the scope of the movie itself. I also explained how I still thought very positively about the movie and can seperate that from my opinion of the message it was portraying.

    Third, I was not talking about any other Star Wars movies, just this one. (Edit: Come to think of it that inclusion makes my point even more because he ands up defecting from the "evil" side to join the side of "good." Same thing happened in RO.)

  • GorweGorwe Ald'RuhnPosts: 3,560Member Rare
    8.
    ApexTKM said:

    To me, in comparison to VII, I'd say this one had better acting / casting and a more gritty feel, but felt less star warsy. 

    My order of preference for the 8 films now stands at:

    1. Return of the Jedi
    2. A New Hope
    3= Force Awakens
    3= Rogue One
    5. Empire Strikes Back
    6. Phantom Menace
    7. Revenge of the Sith
    8. Attack of the Clones

    I know most people say Empire is the best, but honestly I get bored after Hoth. It has a great story line, introduces Yoda, proper training, the bounty hunters etc, but it lacks replayability. Once you've seen the film a few times, the second half of Empire just lets me down every time. 
    I will always have the post-return of the jedi timeline sequential movies like 7, 8, 9, rated last just because disney took the easy way out and copy and pasted the same story with different names and characters and their style of story telling is outdated its like going back to the first time television movies came out and hollywood now still using the same style from those first tv movies. Eventually your going to have to modernize the story.

    "star warsy" This is what people need to get out of their heads imo and open their mind up star wars is about the universe, not exactly what they show you every time in SW 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,clone wars,rebels(imo they should all be called brainwash star wars). What has yet to be seen and written is part of star wars its not always about the sith and jedi anymore its more complex now.

    There can be alot done with this franchise with their own version of a Law and Order series etc. but they choose not to do it for some reason because they want to continue copy and pasting outdated formulas and afraid of trying something new. I'm a huge star wars fan but not necessarily all of their movies and their old ones, at least some parts of it. Simply because I disagree with the way they are writing the lore. These star wars standalone movies now are a first step at least to start trying something different. Theres different type of star wars fans, the fanbase is somewhat split, its how its always been since the prequels came out etc.
    If they want to do Star Wars oriented westerns / Bounty Hunter things, they can freely use my character. I'd even give him up for completely free as long as people saw how great "non Force" Star Wars can be.
  • ApexTKMApexTKM Starkiller BasePosts: 311Member Uncommon
    10. Movie was awesome.
    Gorwe said:

    If they want to do Star Wars oriented westerns / Bounty Hunter things, they can freely use my character. I'd even give him up for completely free as long as people saw how great "non Force" Star Wars can be.
    IMHO, star wars is shallow, simplistic, predictable and needs a lot more depth and complexity to it. I would have liked to see a movie called Star Wars: Dawn of the Followers of Palawa instead of "SW EP 7" and maybe in the beginning of the movie show a scene of those followers ambushing luke and killing him with a vibro-staff as he attempts to restore the jedi order and the republic.

    Disney could do so much with this franchise yet for some reason does not want to do it. Star Trek has done more with their franchise than Star Wars ever has.
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  • Jean-Luc_PicardJean-Luc_Picard La BarrePosts: 6,021Member Epic
    8.
    Aelious said:

    Second, I explained very clearly that the casting was intentional. You can say, "oh, well it's a sci-fi, fantasy, etc." movie and suspend disbelief. It was intentional beyond the scope of the movie itself.


    "The ability to speak doesn't make you intelligent" - Qui-gon Jinn in Star Wars. After many years of reading Internet forums, there's no doubt that nor does the ability to write.


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  • filmoretfilmoret Palm Bay, FLPosts: 4,682Member Epic
    9.
    Aelious said:
    Aelious said:
    Gorwe said:
    Aelious said:
    It was okay, middle of the road. Parts were funny, the scenes with K-2SO especially, but the obvious messages they were protraying was kind of tiresome. I'm still hoping for a decent antagonist for Episode VIII.
    What messages? And why do I never notice them if they're so "in your face"?


    While going through the process of getting my bachelor's degree I took a few classes that had me focus on the themes and messages in mediums like commercials, TV shows, movies, etc. It was eye opening and the abilities gained from it is enriching. I use these skills automatically now and though I am still able to appreciate something I can also be critical of the ingrained messages if need be. Rogue One is a great example of this.


    The Rebel Alliance, or the "good" entity, was comprised of all age groups, ethnicities, and sexes. They went to great lengths to cast and include a full spectrum of each and I think that's great. I love celebrating diversity.


    The Empire, or the "bad" entity? Old. White. Males (Unless you count Darth Vader, /rimshot ;)). Again, specifically cast that way as the vindictive and oppressive force against all that is free in the galaxy. Since it's Disney is this surprising? No, not really and it's sadly to be expected.


    Rogue One had a lot of good things about it and to be honest probably deserved better than a 5, more like a 7 if rating like grades. The acting was good, the picture will probably win awards, and the other themes such as the father/daughter angle was great as well. I'm just not willing to look past the laughable social slights.

    Seems to me, sorry if I'm wrong, that it's more like you have your head up so deep up your own social standards that you can't expand past them in a sci-fi movie.

    First thing being that you can't see what's under a stormtrooper helmet. And last year's movie proved they can very well be black.


    First, there is no need to be rude. I'm sorry if my open honesty offends you.

    Second, I explained very clearly that the casting was intentional. You can say, "oh, well it's a sci-fi, fantasy, etc." movie and suspend disbelief. It was intentional beyond the scope of the movie itself. I also explained how I still thought very positively about the movie and can seperate that from my opinion of the message it was portraying.

    Third, I was not talking about any other Star Wars movies, just this one. (Edit: Come to think of it that inclusion makes my point even more because he ands up defecting from the "evil" side to join the side of "good." Same thing happened in RO.)

    Maybe it was intentional.  And trying to send some kind of message about you know what.  If that is true then they did a very poor job of it because after watching the movie myself and hearing about these messages I saw no such message unless I really wanted to stretch it.  Just enjoyed the movie for that it is. Star Wars.  I think maybe you are being too sensitive about it. 
  • GorweGorwe Ald'RuhnPosts: 3,560Member Rare
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    filmoret said:
    Aelious said:
    Aelious said:
    Gorwe said:
    Aelious said:
    It was okay, middle of the road. Parts were funny, the scenes with K-2SO especially, but the obvious messages they were protraying was kind of tiresome. I'm still hoping for a decent antagonist for Episode VIII.
    What messages? And why do I never notice them if they're so "in your face"?


    While going through the process of getting my bachelor's degree I took a few classes that had me focus on the themes and messages in mediums like commercials, TV shows, movies, etc. It was eye opening and the abilities gained from it is enriching. I use these skills automatically now and though I am still able to appreciate something I can also be critical of the ingrained messages if need be. Rogue One is a great example of this.


    The Rebel Alliance, or the "good" entity, was comprised of all age groups, ethnicities, and sexes. They went to great lengths to cast and include a full spectrum of each and I think that's great. I love celebrating diversity.


    The Empire, or the "bad" entity? Old. White. Males (Unless you count Darth Vader, /rimshot ;)). Again, specifically cast that way as the vindictive and oppressive force against all that is free in the galaxy. Since it's Disney is this surprising? No, not really and it's sadly to be expected.


    Rogue One had a lot of good things about it and to be honest probably deserved better than a 5, more like a 7 if rating like grades. The acting was good, the picture will probably win awards, and the other themes such as the father/daughter angle was great as well. I'm just not willing to look past the laughable social slights.

    Seems to me, sorry if I'm wrong, that it's more like you have your head up so deep up your own social standards that you can't expand past them in a sci-fi movie.

    First thing being that you can't see what's under a stormtrooper helmet. And last year's movie proved they can very well be black.


    First, there is no need to be rude. I'm sorry if my open honesty offends you.

    Second, I explained very clearly that the casting was intentional. You can say, "oh, well it's a sci-fi, fantasy, etc." movie and suspend disbelief. It was intentional beyond the scope of the movie itself. I also explained how I still thought very positively about the movie and can seperate that from my opinion of the message it was portraying.

    Third, I was not talking about any other Star Wars movies, just this one. (Edit: Come to think of it that inclusion makes my point even more because he ands up defecting from the "evil" side to join the side of "good." Same thing happened in RO.)

    Maybe it was intentional.  And trying to send some kind of message about you know what.  If that is true then they did a very poor job of it because after watching the movie myself and hearing about these messages I saw no such message unless I really wanted to stretch it.  Just enjoyed the movie for that it is. Star Wars.  I think maybe you are being too sensitive about it. 
    I tend to agree. Jyn is anything, but she's not a Mary Sue(like Rey is currently -> feminism). Her main ally is also a normal(well...mostly) white guy(as opposed to F1nn who is...well...black as night, yet is a shining paragon of -> minority favoritism). Also, considering black people, R1's Black star(Forrest ie Saw) is a TERRORIST that is about the par for Osama or Baghdadi tbh(because it's not about the color of the skin) -> I am keen to see what this casting makes you "subliminal message" crowd think. As for others, there's an awful lot of utilitarianism and pragmatism here(as opposed to the typical idealism of SW). All these things, coupled with absolute moral relativism and all the gritty darkness...makes it one of my most favourite SW movies.
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