Developer has no objection to allowing high donating players have GM accounts. Not P2W... LOL

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  • ste2000ste2000 londonMember EpicPosts: 6,194
    They seriously need a PR guy, this should be their first priority.

  • DakeruDakeru Member EpicPosts: 3,162
    But hey what could possibly go wrong?

    GM Discord anyone?
  • AeliousAelious OregonMember RarePosts: 3,473
    If this bothers you:

    Step 1 - Underatand that real life principals and those surrounding a video game may be different.

    Step 2 - Play on another server.

    Step 3 - Be stoked as #%$& that one person spent 40k in development money on a title you want to see come to fruition.

    I get it I really do but sometimes perspective is a fickle thing.
  • VolgoreVolgore Member EpicPosts: 3,872
    How much for admin access?

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  • ConstantineMerusConstantineMerus LondonMember RarePosts: 1,116
    So instead of selling out to corporates we're selling out to the players now. 
    I miss the days when we could just sell our souls to the devil. At least he was just one dude.
    I am a piece of carbon with a soul, wondering where I got it from. 
    - Drunken Mozart in the Desert
  • Tiamat64Tiamat64 Member RarePosts: 806
    A $40k investment should be a $40k INVESTMENT, where you know, you hold shares of stock in the company and thus the company's profitability is in your best interest?

    A $40k payment to pay-to-win, however... at that point the company is probably just as beholden to your type of player as it would have been if you were an investor instead.  Only the major difference being that the company's profitability, and thus, the successfulness of the game, is NOT your first priority (though it may or may not be a secondary priority.  That's really not good enough for the type of monetary power such a player base will have over the company I think).

    If anything, anyone nuts enough to spend $40k on the game to lord it over other players will presumably lord it over other players.  Even the game developers are expecting that when they basically just said these players will become the ultimate evil (vices) out to destroy everyones' world...

    Oh yea, that's going to turn out well.  /sarcasm
  • DistopiaDistopia Baltimore, MDMember EpicPosts: 21,106
    Get back to me when there's an actual game to care about.

    For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson


  • barasawabarasawa Eugene, ORMember UncommonPosts: 526
    Dakeru said:
    But hey what could possibly go wrong?

    GM Discord anyone?
    I can't help but point out this chunk on The Noob where they give GM abilities to some players... 
    http://thenoobcomic.com/comic/417/

    There are other things going on as well, so you'll hit some subsequent pages that don't deal with that in between the ones that do. (The real GMs screw up and give the GM abilities to a group of PKers/Griefers)

    Lost my mind, now trying to lose yours...

  • aztecgold12aztecgold12 Member CommonPosts: 5

    Wow...  just... WOW.

    The people he has as Community Managers (I think 2 of them including his wife), need to sit him down in a corner and tell him NOT to interact externally except through his blogs.  He has some of the thinnest skin I've seen for a developer and has yet to learn that attacking your player base very rarely ends positively.


    Or maybe your just the one with thin-skin crying over a hypothetical conversation. First of all as general advice you need to grow up.

    I've backed this game since before its kickstarter, and I have never once disagreed with a DECISION Caspian has made thus far. He was talking in a discord not making announcements and people take everything as a hardcore decision everytime. Now this guy Slapshot is probably one of those people scared because of a kingdom being larger than the others on one of the servers, but masks it over with a fear of something that won't even be in game and is using that as a scapegoat for what his real problem is. Furthermore, if they did select players to take on a gm role they probably wouldn't have them do it based on how much money they spent, but on how active and influential they were and most likely on a server they didnt have a character on. BUT THAT IS AN IF. THERE IS NO PLAN TO USE PLAYERS AS DMS.

    Now about pay to win, it isn't pay to win! You pay for a starting title, which you can achieve in game from the lowest rank, and just because you have a title doesn't make the game "better" for you, you don't have better powers or a higher lvl. It just makes it more like a management sim game. You could own every kingdom in the server and you wouldn't be winning more than me because what if all I wanted to do was explore and traveled to more places or meet more people or even have better stats than you. (Yes someone that paid $35 can have better fighting stats than someone would spent $100,000) And its more likely I'll be a better fighter because I will have more time to practice and not worry about people killing me, while you run a kingdom. Furthermore, the higher your title the faster your character can die, if you actually read the mechanics of fame for the game. 

    Now what else do people want to complain about. Oh I know "But if you buy a title you start with an advantage" (Pouts)

     I have played mmos for almost 15 years and I've never joined one that were people didn't have a leg up on me, them being maxed level and whatnot when I joined the game. I didn't go "Oh no other people are farther than me guess I can't enjoy this game now." If I wanted to play a "fair" game I'd play Halo where everyone starts out with the same gun and same abilities every match with your character never progressing. That's really how to be "fair." But to me that gets boring real fast.

    The way I look at it people with higher pledges are just like those people that were playing the game longer than you in another mmo. Can you still enjoy the game? Of course. Can you get to their position? It might be tough but yes you can. Can your smaller kingdom grow and rival other kingdoms? yes just like guilds do in other mmos. 

    Always have to have people like slapshot bitching though.

  • ConstantineMerusConstantineMerus LondonMember RarePosts: 1,116
    Distopia said:
    Get back to me when there's an actual game to care about.
    Now you have closed a very very large window of discussions with that statement. 
    I am a piece of carbon with a soul, wondering where I got it from. 
    - Drunken Mozart in the Desert
  • TekkonTekkon Member UncommonPosts: 3
    Asking those who claims this is P2W - kindly show me where it defines how you win this game.
  • ConstantineMerusConstantineMerus LondonMember RarePosts: 1,116
    Tekkon said:
    Asking those who claims this is P2W - kindly show me where it defines how you win this game.
    I'm not into winning anything out of this game. But I am really into who we'll have as GMs. 

    If you don't believe that I can refer you to back in time to February 23, 1995 - Seinfeld episode 104th - The Doorman. 
    I am a piece of carbon with a soul, wondering where I got it from. 
    - Drunken Mozart in the Desert
  • pantaropantaro Member UncommonPosts: 329
    I feel like his responses to any criticism will make for way better entertainment then his game ever will!!!
  • k61977k61977 Pendleton, SCMember RarePosts: 709

    Wow...  just... WOW.

    The people he has as Community Managers (I think 2 of them including his wife), need to sit him down in a corner and tell him NOT to interact externally except through his blogs.  He has some of the thinnest skin I've seen for a developer and has yet to learn that attacking your player base very rarely ends positively.


    Or maybe your just the one with thin-skin crying over a hypothetical conversation. First of all as general advice you need to grow up.

    I've backed this game since before its kickstarter, and I have never once disagreed with a DECISION Caspian has made thus far. He was talking in a discord not making announcements and people take everything as a hardcore decision everytime. Now this guy Slapshot is probably one of those people scared because of a kingdom being larger than the others on one of the servers, but masks it over with a fear of something that won't even be in game and is using that as a scapegoat for what his real problem is. Furthermore, if they did select players to take on a gm role they probably wouldn't have them do it based on how much money they spent, but on how active and influential they were and most likely on a server they didnt have a character on. BUT THAT IS AN IF. THERE IS NO PLAN TO USE PLAYERS AS DMS.

    Now about pay to win, it isn't pay to win! You pay for a starting title, which you can achieve in game from the lowest rank, and just because you have a title doesn't make the game "better" for you, you don't have better powers or a higher lvl. It just makes it more like a management sim game. You could own every kingdom in the server and you wouldn't be winning more than me because what if all I wanted to do was explore and traveled to more places or meet more people or even have better stats than you. (Yes someone that paid $35 can have better fighting stats than someone would spent $100,000) And its more likely I'll be a better fighter because I will have more time to practice and not worry about people killing me, while you run a kingdom. Furthermore, the higher your title the faster your character can die, if you actually read the mechanics of fame for the game. 

    Now what else do people want to complain about. Oh I know "But if you buy a title you start with an advantage" (Pouts)

     I have played mmos for almost 15 years and I've never joined one that were people didn't have a leg up on me, them being maxed level and whatnot when I joined the game. I didn't go "Oh no other people are farther than me guess I can't enjoy this game now." If I wanted to play a "fair" game I'd play Halo where everyone starts out with the same gun and same abilities every match with your character never progressing. That's really how to be "fair." But to me that gets boring real fast.

    The way I look at it people with higher pledges are just like those people that were playing the game longer than you in another mmo. Can you still enjoy the game? Of course. Can you get to their position? It might be tough but yes you can. Can your smaller kingdom grow and rival other kingdoms? yes just like guilds do in other mmos. 

    Always have to have people like slapshot bitching though.

    LOL drink the coolaid much!  This is the definition of what P2W is.  If you can enter the game with something or get something that give you an advantage over others that is P2W from the get go.  Pretty sure giving a private player even if they are an investor the ability to do whatever they wish the in game through GM powers fits that pretty well.

    Also there is a difference between earning something in game an buying it outright.  


  • Azrael_AntaryonAzrael_Antaryon Member UncommonPosts: 40
    Just so it is clear to everyone how much out of context that OP is (it was a free spirited conversation, where the developer jokingly said those words) here is his official response on the games own forum, where they make announcments like this...

    https://chroniclesofelyria.com/forum/topic/14989/equity-vs-fairness?page=9#post156921
  • aztecgold12aztecgold12 Member CommonPosts: 5
    k61977 said:
    LOL drink the coolaid much!  This is the definition of what P2W is.  If you can enter the game with something or get something that give you an advantage over others that is P2W from the get go.  Pretty sure giving a private player even if they are an investor the ability to do whatever they wish the in game through GM powers fits that pretty well.

    Also there is a difference between earning something in game an buying it outright.  


    Explain how someone buy a title only at the start is "winning" by doing that? Also there will be no players with GM powers. 

    "I have no plans to allow players - high backers or otherwise, to log into Game master/Dungeon master accounts to run live story events. Period."

    https://chroniclesofelyria.com/forum/topic/14989/equity-vs-fairness?page=9#post156921
  • aztecgold12aztecgold12 Member CommonPosts: 5
    @k61977 idk if you are aware, but Slapshot1188 purpose for existence is to post anti-CoE shit, he has been doing it for months so everything he posts is to try to bring the game down.
  • ScotScot UKMember RarePosts: 6,435
    40k is a lot of money . People expect something in return.

    Let us know when you put down 40k and expect, to be just another player..

    Gaming is not a car or house, you should not expect to get more. It is an activity where we play with others on a level playing field. Be that PVE or PVP. By putting in more time you can build up an advantage, but not by buying one.

    As always money distorts peoples values, this is making a mockery of gaming ethos. That said it has not happened and may never actually happen. But it does make you question the team behind the game.

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  • BraindomeBraindome Member UncommonPosts: 959
    edited December 2016
    The whales are mad cause they got out-whaled, hypocrisy much? Oh the bitter sweet irony.
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  • NildenNilden Canada, NBMember RarePosts: 2,163
    Tekkon said:
    Asking those who claims this is P2W - kindly show me where it defines how you win this game.
    You are going to pull the it's not P2W card when people are dumping $10k to $40k on a game?

    Everything about this game, from the website, to the store, to the attitude of the devs, to the pay to king, to the mud, to the permadeath, to the promises and timeline, to the kickstarter makes me never want to touch it with anyone's pole.

    It's just an ongoing display of incompetence.

    A fool and his money...




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  • MikePaladinMikePaladin NewYork, NYMember UncommonPosts: 592
    What Ever I want them to make their vision of the game despite the price and who knows maybe big boys of the industry will pick up some of the ideas .
  • DakeruDakeru Member EpicPosts: 3,162
    It's not pay to win when you spend money to get a higher status than other players.

    WHEN WILL YOU HATERS FINALLY REALIZE THAT??!!
  • ScotScot UKMember RarePosts: 6,435
    What Ever I want them to make their vision of the game despite the price and who knows maybe big boys of the industry will pick up some of the ideas .

    MMOs are a genre where the best ideas are so often forgotten so don't hold your breath. If it is a big "success" in revenue terms everything about it will be copied without thinking, if it is a "failure" every good idea will be forgotten.

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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Boca Raton, FLMember EpicPosts: 7,197
    @k61977 idk if you are aware, but Slapshot1188 purpose for existence is to post anti-CoE shit, he has been doing it for months so everything he posts is to try to bring the game down.
    It's the sign of a weak argument to try and attack the messenger and not the message.


    Either way,  WELCOME to the forums!  We can use some more spirited discussions around here!
    The more you post, the more content we have.. so please do return and participate more.


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    Starvault's reponse to criticism related to having a handful of players as the official "test" team for a supposed MMO: "We've just have another 10ish folk kind enough to voulenteer added tot the test team" (SIC) This explains much about the state of the game :-)

  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Boca Raton, FLMember EpicPosts: 7,197
    k61977 said:
    LOL drink the coolaid much!  This is the definition of what P2W is.  If you can enter the game with something or get something that give you an advantage over others that is P2W from the get go.  Pretty sure giving a private player even if they are an investor the ability to do whatever they wish the in game through GM powers fits that pretty well.

    Also there is a difference between earning something in game an buying it outright.  


    Explain how someone buy a title only at the start is "winning" by doing that? Also there will be no players with GM powers. 

    "I have no plans to allow players - high backers or otherwise, to log into Game master/Dungeon master accounts to run live story events. Period."

    https://chroniclesofelyria.com/forum/topic/14989/equity-vs-fairness?page=9#post156921
    Ahh this is good on two fronts!  It seems that he is reconsidering his statement about being open to allowing influential players to have access to GM accounts and also that someone is instructing him on his posting.

    https://chroniclesofelyria.com/forum/topic/14989/equity-vs-fairness?page=9#post156921

    FULL quote:

    "I was advised to make a short post saying only the following - for clarity.

    I have no plans to allow players - high backers or otherwise, to log into Game master/Dungeon master accounts to run live story events. Period.

    That is all."


    Earlier quote (for context):

    "While I have no plan to do so... I have no objection to allowing the highly influential players to log off of their primary accounts and log in under a GM account to RP a Vice/Virtue."

    "I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator

    Starvault's reponse to criticism related to having a handful of players as the official "test" team for a supposed MMO: "We've just have another 10ish folk kind enough to voulenteer added tot the test team" (SIC) This explains much about the state of the game :-)

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