Hollywood reviewers are reviewing this, not mmorpg players. Don't expect a pass or glowing review just because it spawned from a game.
The butchering of the lore will make those players who care about and like that aspect of the games cringe. It's pretty awful what they've done compounded by the fact that Metzen himself signed off on it. Blergh.
Again, I'll still see it but not as "Warcraft", but as generic fantasy movie #65.
Well if the movie disappoints hardcore WoW fans due to botched lore, and your average Joe who doesn't know anything about WoW lore is not the target audience either,I have to ask
Who was this movie made for exactly?
Honestly, I can't swear that most players give a darn about lore. I happen to care about it and have read all quests and most outside books, manga, short stories, etc. Even saying that, however, even casual players will know that Garona is Medivh's lover, not Lothar's -- it's embedded in even the Warlords of Draenor storyline that she is the mother of a child produced in that relationship. And, seriously, that's just the beginning.
That's disheartening to hear. I just signed back up for WoW and decided to give it another go. I stopped playing in vanilla and have been enjoying the game/lore. I have been reading everything. Slow but worth it. Although some of it is a bit of a mess. Learned about Garrosh Hellscream and how he is the current leader of the Horde, only to find his grave shortly after? Certain zones are entirely different and I have no idea why. I know it's from the 'Cataclysm' but I have no idea what that means. A bunch of inconsistencies but it's still enjoyable so far.
As for the movie, I will still see it eventually. Especially since I very rarely agree with critics. I can usually tell if I will hate a movie if I know critics are in love with it. Thanks for the heads up though so I can go into it with an open mind instead of taking it as another piece of concrete Warcraft lore. I love campy fantasy movies though so I will probably enjoy it. Hell I liked the Dungeons & Dragons movie and it's universally panned.
Movie reviewers. What can I say? Pretentious, uptight idiots would be a fair description I think. Movie reviewers are useless in my opinion. They always downplay action and fantasy films, the typical big, summer blockbusters.
No, not really. The very same "pretentious, uptight idiots" gave the 2014 summer blockbuster Guardians of the galaxy a RT score of 91% and Mad Max got a 97% last year. Why? Because they were damn good films.
If you'd said that about Oscar nominations, I'd be inclined to agree, Hollywood politics being what they are, but aggregate critic review sites like RT get it right much more often than not.
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Why not just do the whole movie like the games cinematics and stick to the lore. Only 2 complaints. Still a good movie though if you know nothing abot Warcraft.
Movie reviewers. What can I say? Pretentious, uptight idiots would be a fair description I think. Movie reviewers are useless in my opinion. They always downplay action and fantasy films, the typical big, summer blockbusters.
No, not really. The very same "pretentious, uptight idiots" gave the 2014 summer blockbuster Guardians of the galaxy a RT score of 91% and Mad Max got a 97% last year. Why? Because they were damn good films.
If you'd said that about Oscar nominations, I'd be inclined to agree, Hollywood politics being what they are, but aggregate critic review sites like RT get it right much more often than not.
Moreover, some of those low reviews like Superman v Batman were, from a critical point of view, fair. That doesn't mean such movies are unworthy of watching or paying for.
I don't know about the rest of you but personally many of my favourite movies I would say are technically quite flawed and yet somehow greatly enjoyable.
Rather than tapping into the goofy core that makes a game like World of Warcraft interesting, the Warcraft movie aims for grittiness, missing the mark quite a bit. It just doesn’t work. The lore is too campy. This is a world where a mage’s most popular spell transforms his enemies into sheep, yet Warcraft acts as if it’s a green-screen version of Game of Thrones. At my theater, the biggest laughs came not from the occasional bouts of slapstick comedy but from the miserable archmages of Dalaran, whose CGI-enhanced eyes look especially absurd when you’re supposed to take them seriously.
Yeah but "that's the thing", it's the goofiness in the game that keeps me from playing it. I just can't stand it.
So this reviewer finds the making of the movie in a serious vein a bad thing and I find it a relief.
Though, in truth, being humorless is bad as well.
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I don't care... Blizzard is the best company in the world and WOW is the best game in the world and Warcraft is the best movie in the world. Stop making me think about that.
rarely care about review about anything, my taste are my taste and i can judge by myself if im going enjoy something or not, unless we talk about hardware or something more special, the review about games and movie are all about taste and who know if this ''reviewer'' got the same that me ??!!! .
i have play games with realy good review and realy hated them, and played game with realy bad review and enjoyed them !! same for movie.
Warcraft as a franchise has always thrived from its gameplay above all other things. The story, the "lore" has always been garbage, so when you make a movie which is ONLY story, it's not going to be much of a surprise that it's garbage.
If you didn't see this coming, your head is in the sand.
To compare any movie to Battlefield Earth, is like the kiss of death.
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Honestly I expected it to be at best a mediocre film with just enough brainless fun that it would be worth a watch. Will say so far I'm not surprised with the view on it and it probably is entertaining enough to maybe watch once.
Honestly I expected it to be at best a mediocre film with just enough brainless fun that it would be worth a watch. Will say so far I'm not surprised with the view on it and it probably is entertaining enough to maybe watch once.
That's my take away. I'd also have to agree with Sovrath above, I'll take a serious approach over "Wizards turning folks into farm animals" any day of the week. Regardless of what that lore is meant to represent.
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I figured it would be. Still gonna see it. Much like the game this movie isnt made to be very "complicated." Its made to impress audiences with its special effects and action sequences while keeping silly things like intriguing plots and characters to a minimum. Thats what im going in expecting, not the next Lord of the Rings... ill probably enjoy it more.
Rather than tapping into the goofy core that makes a game like World of Warcraft interesting, the Warcraft movie aims for grittiness, missing the mark quite a bit. It just doesn’t work. The lore is too campy. This is a world where a mage’s most popular spell transforms his enemies into sheep, yet Warcraft acts as if it’s a green-screen version of Game of Thrones. At my theater, the biggest laughs came not from the occasional bouts of slapstick comedy but from the miserable archmages of Dalaran, whose CGI-enhanced eyes look especially absurd when you’re supposed to take them seriously.
Yeah but "that's the thing", it's the goofiness in the game that keeps me from playing it. I just can't stand it.
Wait, you don't find the numerous "dig in poo" quests funny??
I'd like to know if these reviews are comparing the movie to the lore/books or the online game... or based solely on what in their personal view a fantasy warcraft movie should be?
Does it matter? A crap movie is a crap movie. If you have to be familiar with wow's goofy lore to see the movie then they kinda failed at making a good movie didn't they?
I believe it would matter to anyone who has followed the lore or played the game, if it doesn't fall in line with either of those then Blizz will have not just shot themselves in the foot.
From my experience in WoW I don't think many people play WoW with lore in mind as a priority.
People play WoW to max level as quickly as possible, get geared up, so they can show off their gears or gank folks. Lore only got interesting after they got bored of the above.
In all fairness though. Someone criticized the way wizard's eyes looked and I wonder if he is speaking from experience. Battlefield Earth was a good movie. I do believe the critics are being too harsh perhaps because it is based on a game and they are too embarrassed to admit they once played it. But this is just a theory since not many open minded people have watched it yet. Just to note they gave mad max a high score and yet what exactly was that story? It was action packed crazy movie for sure but story was bleh. I just think they are probably being too harsh considering what they have called good movies in the past.
Well that settles it for me. Just about anything the critics hate I love. If I see good reviews from critics I don't waste my time on the crap. So I guess I will love the movie, even if I am not so fond of the mix of CGI with real action. Wish it had been totally CGI from the in house guys.
Well since most movie critics are idiots, must be a great film. Just look at the past few years at what was up for awards at the oscars. I think most of the critics don't grasp that people go to movies to be entertained. You can pick apart any movie if that is your thing, but where is the enjoyment in that unless you have a twisted mind. Spotlight put me to sleep and I could not even finish The Room and Brooklyn. All three had zero entertainment value for me and were lauded by the critics. Granted some people liked them, but since box office for those films was miniscule, it fairly supports my contention.
I'll wait and make my own judgement, I could care less if it follows the lore, just hope it is entertaining.
In all fairness though. Someone criticized the way wizard's eyes looked and I wonder if he is speaking from experience. Battlefield Earth was a good movie. I do believe the critics are being too harsh perhaps because it is based on a game and they are too embarrassed to admit they once played it. But this is just a theory since not many open minded people have watched it yet. Just to note they gave mad max a high score and yet what exactly was that story? It was action packed crazy movie for sure but story was bleh. I just think they are probably being too harsh considering what they have called good movies in the past.
When I finished reading that review I noticed "From Kotaku" below it and assigned a relevance rating of zero to it.
That said the first two are pretty damning. It's one thing saying it's bad for a movie, it's another thing to say it's bad for a video game movie which are usually terrible.
I'd like to know if these reviews are comparing the movie to the lore/books or the online game... or based solely on what in their personal view a fantasy warcraft movie should be?
Does it matter? A crap movie is a crap movie. If you have to be familiar with wow's goofy lore to see the movie then they kinda failed at making a good movie didn't they?
I believe it would matter to anyone who has followed the lore or played the game, if it doesn't fall in line with either of those then Blizz will have not just shot themselves in the foot.
From my experience in WoW I don't think many people play WoW with lore in mind as a priority.
People play WoW to max level as quickly as possible, get geared up, so they can show off their gears or gank folks. Lore only got interesting after they got bored of the above.
Not everyone plays for those reasons.... I don't.
I like to have an open world I can explore and live in at my pace that allows me to encounter different races and their environments in it that gives me the means to do so(knowledge, gathering mats, crafting, taming, etc) all following a story line that gives the world and its inhabitants relevance.
That doesn't mean just ez mode game play where you never encounter danger and blithely flit through dark underground passages or sail carefree across oceans to reach other continents. Interacting with different races and environments all come with inherent dangers that a character would need to become educated about and prepare for, whether it be by skilling up so you have the right equipment to protect yourself and possible companions from wild beasts or enemy factions, or by gathering enough resources for sustenance, shelter or even for trade to open up shorter or safer routes.
I recall the first time my low level(14 iirc) night elf, before TBC(back when you had to be level 40 or 50 to even get apprentice riding), tried to cross through enemy lands to get to Ratchet so I could gather some recipes for armour that I couldn't afford to just buy from the auction house. Anyway, a higher level orc warrior spotted me as I tried to stealth my way to the Barrens and instead of killing me right then and there, waited until I got all the way to just before the border just because it obviously amused him. I ended up rezzing just outside at what I later learned was Warsong Gulch(Crossroads would have been so much better...and what I was hoping for if I was going to get killed on my journey), talk about lost, I didn't even have the map opened enough to see which way to go and ended up having to recall all the way back to Shadowglen because I had forgotten to change my save point to Darnassus let alone Auberdine.
Point is, some of us actually enjoy the journey more than the endgame.
When I finished reading that review I noticed "From Kotaku" below it and assigned a relevance rating of zero to it.
That said the first two are pretty damning. It's one thing saying it's bad for a movie, it's another thing to say it's bad for a video game movie which are usually terrible.
I have to agree with you there. Kotaku died as a quality site ages ago. I quit visiting them long, long ago. It's just garbage nowadays.
Still, an overwhelming consensus deriding something is usually a sign.
I really don't think anybody is surprised by what we are hearing. There were so many clues/signs working against the film. Not the least of which being the time it took to keep a director/script and actually make the film. Haven't they been trying to make that movie for like 8 years?
Still, when it comes to DVD, I'll check it out and just remind myself, if needed, that "Hey, it could be worse. You could be sitting through Episode 7 again."
I'd like to know if these reviews are comparing the movie to the lore/books or the online game... or based solely on what in their personal view a fantasy warcraft movie should be?
My guess would be that these reviewers have little or no knowledge of lore. Based on what I've seen, however, they lore is utterly butchered in the movie -- I mean Garona and Lothar? O.o She was Medivh's lover. And that's just the beginning.
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As for the movie, I will still see it eventually. Especially since I very rarely agree with critics. I can usually tell if I will hate a movie if I know critics are in love with it. Thanks for the heads up though so I can go into it with an open mind instead of taking it as another piece of concrete Warcraft lore. I love campy fantasy movies though so I will probably enjoy it. Hell I liked the Dungeons & Dragons movie and it's universally panned.
If you'd said that about Oscar nominations, I'd be inclined to agree, Hollywood politics being what they are, but aggregate critic review sites like RT get it right much more often than not.
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I don't know about the rest of you but personally many of my favourite movies I would say are technically quite flawed and yet somehow greatly enjoyable.
So this reviewer finds the making of the movie in a serious vein a bad thing and I find it a relief.
Though, in truth, being humorless is bad as well.
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i have play games with realy good review and realy hated them, and played game with realy bad review and enjoyed them !! same for movie.
Warcraft as a franchise has always thrived from its gameplay above all other things. The story, the "lore" has always been garbage, so when you make a movie which is ONLY story, it's not going to be much of a surprise that it's garbage.
If you didn't see this coming, your head is in the sand.
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People play WoW to max level as quickly as possible, get geared up, so they can show off their gears or gank folks. Lore only got interesting after they got bored of the above.
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I'll wait and make my own judgement, I could care less if it follows the lore, just hope it is entertaining.
That said the first two are pretty damning. It's one thing saying it's bad for a movie, it's another thing to say it's bad for a video game movie which are usually terrible.
I like to have an open world I can explore and live in at my pace that allows me to encounter different races and their environments in it that gives me the means to do so(knowledge, gathering mats, crafting, taming, etc) all following a story line that gives the world and its inhabitants relevance.
That doesn't mean just ez mode game play where you never encounter danger and blithely flit through dark underground passages or sail carefree across oceans to reach other continents. Interacting with different races and environments all come with inherent dangers that a character would need to become educated about and prepare for, whether it be by skilling up so you have the right equipment to protect yourself and possible companions from wild beasts or enemy factions, or by gathering enough resources for sustenance, shelter or even for trade to open up shorter or safer routes.
I recall the first time my low level(14 iirc) night elf, before TBC(back when you had to be level 40 or 50 to even get apprentice riding), tried to cross through enemy lands to get to Ratchet so I could gather some recipes for armour that I couldn't afford to just buy from the auction house. Anyway, a higher level orc warrior spotted me as I tried to stealth my way to the Barrens and instead of killing me right then and there, waited until I got all the way to just before the border just because it obviously amused him. I ended up rezzing just outside at what I later learned was Warsong Gulch(Crossroads would have been so much better...and what I was hoping for if I was going to get killed on my journey), talk about lost, I didn't even have the map opened enough to see which way to go and ended up having to recall all the way back to Shadowglen because I had forgotten to change my save point to Darnassus let alone Auberdine.
Point is, some of us actually enjoy the journey more than the endgame.
Still, an overwhelming consensus deriding something is usually a sign.
I really don't think anybody is surprised by what we are hearing. There were so many clues/signs working against the film. Not the least of which being the time it took to keep a director/script and actually make the film. Haven't they been trying to make that movie for like 8 years?
Still, when it comes to DVD, I'll check it out and just remind myself, if needed, that "Hey, it could be worse. You could be sitting through Episode 7 again."
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