Actually that statement is still true it does make HZ look like a kids game. I just got bored with it. You can have your opinion about me but bottomline is there are a heck of a lot of people out there that agree with me on HZ which is why HZ has such low pops and why people keep leaving it. It has a door and it keeps revolving.
You have a great day playing a game that just don't have a chance in making it to the big time.
I wonder why it is so important to try and ruin my credibility? Oh wait the people in irc think what I do and say about HZ is actually hurting the game. Sorry but DB and the developers are the ones that have and keep hurting the game. Go read that last goodbye post that says it all about why people keep leaving. For each one that does post a goodbye there are 10 more that don't. Yet they all still keep leaving. That is HZ and that is why the game keeps doing so poorly, not me.
Take no thought of who is right or wrong or who is better than. Be not for or against. Bruce Lee
Oh, I agree, it doesn't have a chance to make it big time. Way too many things got mishandled. But your obsession with this game is just plain sad.
You are doing this only because you felt ripped off. You say you are doing this to help people, but in reality you are doing it for some unforseen and selfish reason. Selfish because someone is finding joy in something you can't. There are people who enjoy this game. Let them enjoy it for what it is. There are people out there who don't play it yet who will enjoy it. Face up to that. Your jihad against the game is pointless.
There are improvements (and no, by reading your comments, I don't believe you have played in a long time and are only repeating hearsay, btw) and the game is better than it was.
It will be a niche game, and a decent one at that.
The only person I could think of who would have a valid (albeit twisted) reason to go to the lengths you have would be DA, and he's not doing it. So why are you?
Agree to disagree and play the other games you are so fond of. Focus your energy on another game and help it become more than it is.
It has nothing to do with getting ripped off. I wish you would stop acting like you know me. In fact in another thread about Mourning I state exactly why I post about this game and others that are just down right bad for the MMORPG world. But you keep thinking you know me, it only makes you that more wrong.
I also find it funny how you just ignore most of my posts and go on about what I should do.
Tell you what let me play you. Why don't you just ignore my posts. Sure seems like DB does.
Take no thought of who is right or wrong or who is better than. Be not for or against. Bruce Lee
It has nothing to do with getting ripped off. I wish you would stop acting like you know me. In fact in another thread about Mourning I state exactly why I post about this game and others that are just down right bad for the MMORPG world. But you keep thinking you know me, it only makes you that more wrong. --------------------------
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4/20/05 As far as me moving on they ripped me off by having me buy a box that has nothing of the content in game that was on the box. Then they have a broken engine and not only that use a engine that is made for consoles. Which is why no matter what software coding they do the over all engine problems will still be there. They need a new engine and make the game they sold us. But they will never happen. This game will fail and is failing which is why it is dead. This is just the Dawn of the Dead right now.
4/20/05 I really am trying to get over it but I hate being ripped off by a 3rd class company. I also have a problem with people making statements about how great the game is and they refuse to tell the truth about all the problems the game has. Just exploring in this game is just down right bad. When going into an area you have to stand still and wait any where from 1 to 2 minutes for mobs and or mining objects to show up. It just shows why a console enegine can't work with a pc game.
But I will try to do what you ask. Just my small way to get my money back.
Yep just like Mourning they promised stuff and said things on box were in game and to this day it still isn't. So for me to say it was a rip off is totally true. So really what is your point? Are you attempting to say all that was on box is really in game? You know that isn't true and the little content they have put in game is nothing to really talk about. As for the rest all it is, is just fluff. As far as the new engine yep they admit they need one, they just don't have the funds to get one and then port all the data to it.
Hmm didn't you say to stop feeding the troll? So it seems you say things and then back off on it. Oh wait thats called human nature.
Also would like to point out about 80% of my posts have only been in responce to either a lie about the game or in answer to someone like you calling me names and attacking.
Either way I still get pm's telling me how right I was and am on the game. I also see it is the exact same people responding to me with attacks and name calling which shows the community in HZ. Keep it up you guys are showing I'm right on about the people playing HZ.
Take no thought of who is right or wrong or who is better than. Be not for or against. Bruce Lee
First off, you say you didn't say you were doing it because you felt ripped off, and yet I have 2 quotes directly from you stating it is.
Second, reading comprehension ftw! I didn't say anything about not feeding the trolls, that was another poster. Are all your facts checked so carefully?
Third, I didn't say a word about what was on the box being in the game. As a matter of fact , my post was about you and pointing out your words about your vendetta against this game. Nice try to twist my post to match your needs.
But I made my points you just want to make a big deal about other things than dealing with the real problems with HZ. In fact it is starting to look like all you can do is attack me on what I say. Why not keep to the game and point out where I was wrong about the problems the game has.
Let me put it this way, the game has been and still is a rip off that starts off by having a porn cc company take the payment to a dev team that has no clue how to make a real mmorpg. Run by a CEO DB that has no credibility left from the time Turbine fired him. Not to bring up the millions he already ripped off from other companies including his old landlord. Yes this is imho but true all the same.
Respond again and I will respond to you. Lets keep it going I love throwing the truth out about this game.
Take no thought of who is right or wrong or who is better than. Be not for or against. Bruce Lee
I think that Horizons is a great game for casual gamers who like the feel of a small game where they players have a close interaction with the development team.
If you have played other mmorpgs, then you will find in Horizons some great quality of life features, like a superb interface (you can have up to 10 hot key bars, which you can set up either by drag and drop for single actions, or you can use them to set up macros; the tabbed chat boxes are great), tons of storage (a large vault with expansion ability, lots of differnt kinds of backpacks that can hold a 100 items or more and can even be configured to permit a merchant mode); a superb and deep crafting system; the ability to multiclass; a large and seamless world; the ability to own and build on in-game property; and a fun and intuitive combat system.
The close interaction with the development team means that the game develops and grows before your eyes, and you can see how the development team moves it forward both by assessing their shorter and longer term goals and then by tweaking it in response to player experience.
The game is good whether you just want to log on for a couple hours every day or so, or you have the time to play for hours and hours every day. Adventuring is great either solo or on groups, and groups tend to be very flexible and laid back and for the fun of it.
The playerbase is mature and friendly, and you will often find families playing together.
Yeah I cut and pasted what I said here over there, because VN is still populated by people who don't play Horizons anymore but like to disparage those of us who do play it and love it.
I think that people who love something and believe in it need to stand up for it when it is attacked.
Actually most that post there do play the game. Or have just quit playing the game. I wish you would stop acting like you know what these people do. Next you will tell me Grim don't play.
Take no thought of who is right or wrong or who is better than. Be not for or against. Bruce Lee
People who read this forum to find out about Horizons: it's really a fun game, and you may like it. I like it and so do a bunch of other people who play it. There's a free trial in case you want to try it out. You can read more about the game at the official forums.
Originally posted by boeskyle Characters with construction skills. But not all characters. All but one race in fact.
That's another facet of the game that is worth pointing out: it is really two games in one. It is the game for dragons and the game for bipedsm and the dragon game is different enough to need a lot of separate development.
Dragon lairs are a top development priority now, apparently. One reason they are not in the game yet is that Tulga has refused to go with cheap and easy alternatives and want lairs to be done well. Lairs will be actual tunnels and caves inside mountains, and the lair construction system thus needs to be developed separately from the biped one.
I know. They claim to have scrapped floating island lairs during latter part of beta, yet opt not to post screenshots or put them in game as a "hold over" for the last 17 months. DB said words, "lairs are on track" for a "very special anniversary" for December 2004. They post images of the new lairs around December and DB rambled about its cool features in IRC. DB's words = vaporware (remember the July 2003 interview?).
However, you certainly realize that dwarves and other races will later have access to some of these new features - DB said so in an old interview and it only makes sense. Likely that is a factor in their delay.
Finally, AE --> TulgAE continues to expand the functionality of the plot construction system . . . . for all races but one. Remember the new options after the server merge for October 2004 - more guild content, structures, and crafting bonuses? Then more buildings and plot decorations since then. Now they caved in to player whines and certain discs can be ported.
Originally posted by ungrimagrol I think that Horizons is a great game for casual gamers who like the feel of a small game where they players have a close interaction with the development team. If you have played other mmorpgs, then you will find in Horizons some great quality of life features, like a superb interface (you can have up to 10 hot key bars, which you can set up either by drag and drop for single actions, or you can use them to set up macros; the tabbed chat boxes are great), tons of storage (a large vault with expansion ability, lots of differnt kinds of backpacks that can hold a 100 items or more and can even be configured to permit a merchant mode); a superb and deep crafting system; the ability to multiclass; a large and seamless world; the ability to own and build on in-game property; and a fun and intuitive combat system. The close interaction with the development team means that the game develops and grows before your eyes, and you can see how the development team moves it forward both by assessing their shorter and longer term goals and then by tweaking it in response to player experience. The game is good whether you just want to log on for a couple hours every day or so, or you have the time to play for hours and hours every day. Adventuring is great either solo or on groups, and groups tend to be very flexible and laid back and for the fun of it. The playerbase is mature and friendly, and you will often find families playing together. This is what Horizons is now.
Developer interaction on the forums has increased from their near silence prior to January 2005 . . . . mostly due to Chris T (I know, I remember his directive to his employees). Amon being the sole exception.
A lot of the features you describe all enable it as what one poster said, the Fisher Price of MMOGs. "Quality of life" features - extensive macroing (can auto level with it also), universal chat for that silent feeling seeing groups about, universal vault accessible from many locations, huge back/scalepacks and cargo gear (for non-dragons), instant crafting and powerleveling crafting using cross-over skills (from resources near machines, for all tiers), powerleveling other classes for their skillsets to maximize ability statistics/skills/masterable abilities for that uberness (for non-dragons), a large world where most places are just a portal jump away, and all characters can own plots and non-dragons can build upon them. There are more player conveniences than features that enable a deeper immersion as one "living" in Istaria.
Yes, the Fisher Price of MMOGs, not social RP as game mechanics allow "role swapping" based on a character's current class (for non-dragons). It is a nice description for Istaria, the land of convenience. Woot! More portal destinations, portal rings, and destination pads are being added.
[quote]Finally, AE --> TulgAE continues to expand the functionality of the plot construction system . . . . for all races but one. Remember the new options after the server merge for October 2004 - more guild content, structures, and crafting bonuses? Then more buildings and plot decorations since then. Now they caved in to player whines and certain discs can be ported.[/quote]
I'm glad they did. The tarbash disk are a great addition to the game, not only for the convenience but also because it shows that the devs will change things rapidly and significantly in response to player feedback.
[quote]There are more player conveniences than features that enable a deeper immersion as one "living" in Istaria.[/quote]
They make the game more fun, in my opinion. It is fun to see what a well-designed user interface and storage system can do, compared with the stingy and pokey ones in other games. It is great being able to check and see what you have in your vault without running to the bank, for example. Other games seems designed on a concept of time sinks than conveniences.
[quote]Yes, the Fisher Price of MMOGs, not social RP as game mechanics allow "role swapping" based on a character's current class (for non-dragons). It is a nice description for Istaria, the land of convenience. Woot! More portal destinations, portal rings, and destination pads are being added.[/quote]
I'm not sure I know what being the Fisher Price of MMOGs even means. If it means that is a baby game then so what? That's just snobbishness. It's not a baby game. Name calling is stoopid.
Basically you can't lose in Istaria. Mobs can easily be outrun, you can recall at anytime without cost and the death penalty is pretty light anyway. If you make any game too convenient and penalties for mistakes too trivial then you have a game without risk where the only thing standing between someone and any goal is a mountain of monotonous grinding.
Well CoH is more Fisher-Pricey than HZ in these regards. You can take on and kill (solo) 3+ mobs who are your level or higher, and you can very easily run away from them -- much more easily than in HZ these days. If you are a controller you can mez and damage a mob or a group mobs with NO damge taken to yourself and just slowly kill them off -- no risk at all.
In EQ and EQ2 you can run to guards or zonelines if you get in trouble. Since HZ doesn't have zonelines, guess they have to make them drop aggro outside a certain radius, otherwise they'd never leave you alone.
The death penalty in HZ is severe enough to amke it so you can't even craft because your stats are too low for you to equi[p the tools you need. It's a fairly severe penalty.
Lots of the easiness of mobs is just pvE anyway and true in any game. AI is ALWAYS more limited than human adaptability. Mobs are AKLWAYS less ingeneous than humans.
Originally posted by anarchyart Originally posted by Sparky2004 The Fisher Price of MMOs keeps getting easier and easier.What game are you currently playing?
Originally posted by Sparky2004 Basically you can't lose in Istaria. Mobs can easily be outrun, you can recall at anytime without cost and the death penalty is pretty light anyway. If you make any game too convenient and penalties for mistakes too trivial then you have a game without risk where the only thing standing between someone and any goal is a mountain of monotonous grinding.
That is one way to look at it, for sure. Or you could look at it this way.
Basically you can't lose in Istaria. Mobs can easily be outrun, you can recall at anytime without cost and the death penalty is pretty light anyway. If you make any game too convenient and penalties for mistakes too trivial then you have a game without risk where the only thing to do is have fun!
But no, for me dying is still a pain in the ass cuz you have to run back to where you were fighting. Risk vs. reward will always be relative. If there is big risk you just have to make bigger plans and be safer to avoid that risk. Without those harsh penalties a case could be made that you have to do less planning and just have fun. Don't you think?
I can have fun in UO with full looting or AC2 which people call carebear. For me it's about fun. If it's fun, I play. If not I don't. Some people HAVE to have hardcore PvP to have fun. That is just how they are. Everyone is different. Opinions are like earholes, everyone has a couple.
Horizons is fun for me. If it's not fun for you then I wish you well playing the next game you get. But I am pleased that you tried it, I think the game is really worth the time. It has character, something sorely missing from most of the games release in the last 2 years. Wouldn't you agree that so many games released lately are just so...soulless?
I think Horizons has soul. Try it and see if you agree.
Originally posted by ungrimagrol Well CoH is more Fisher-Pricey than HZ in these regards. You can take on and kill (solo) 3+ mobs who are your level or higher, and you can very easily run away from them -- much more easily than in HZ these days. In EQ and EQ2 you can run to guards or zonelines if you get in trouble. Since HZ doesn't have zonelines, guess they have to make them drop aggro outside a certain radius, otherwise they'd never leave you alone. Lots of that is just pvE anyway. AI is ALWAYS more limited than human adaptability.
Lots of the time in EQ2 you won't have guards or zone lines nearby to bail you out. Literally anytime in Hz you can press the "oopsie" button and get out of trouble. COH I never really got very far into - dull game. I agree AI will always be exploitable.
Maybe the zones aren't nearby, but you can usually outrun the mobs. Only a fool would stand there and die when they could run and live -- no matter how far away the line is.
Originally posted by Sparky2004 The Fisher Price of MMOs keeps getting easier and easier. What game are you currently playing?
EVE Online at the moment.
I tried EVE. I hated it. I could be totally wrong and I accept that. We both have our opinions and I respect yours. But calling Horizons the Fisher Price of MMO's is a bit juvenile, and it's really more than just a bit.
And saying I hated EVE was really me being polite. I won't resort to name calling because I love all of these games because I'm a game enthusiast and putting other games down doesn't serve any of our purposes.
Horizons is fun and very kewl and worth the effort, I'm staying at least until Vanguard goes retail. Have fun in EVE, also from what other people say a very kewl game.
Originally posted by anarchyart If there is big risk you just have to make bigger plans and be safer to avoid that risk. Without those harsh penalties a case could be made that you have to do less planning and just have fun. Don't you think?
Planning and the excitement of knowing I can lose something tangible is a big part of the fun for me. Different strokes eh?
Wouldn't you agree that so many games released lately are just so...soulless?
You'll have to define or describe "soul" for me for an answer.
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Actually that statement is still true it does make HZ look like a kids game. I just got bored with it. You can have your opinion about me but bottomline is there are a heck of a lot of people out there that agree with me on HZ which is why HZ has such low pops and why people keep leaving it. It has a door and it keeps revolving.
You have a great day playing a game that just don't have a chance in making it to the big time.
I wonder why it is so important to try and ruin my credibility? Oh wait the people in irc think what I do and say about HZ is actually hurting the game. Sorry but DB and the developers are the ones that have and keep hurting the game. Go read that last goodbye post that says it all about why people keep leaving. For each one that does post a goodbye there are 10 more that don't. Yet they all still keep leaving. That is HZ and that is why the game keeps doing so poorly, not me.
Take no thought of who is right or wrong or who is better than. Be not for or against.
Bruce Lee
Oh, I agree, it doesn't have a chance to make it big time. Way too many things got mishandled. But your obsession with this game is just plain sad.
You are doing this only because you felt ripped off. You say you are doing this to help people, but in reality you are doing it for some unforseen and selfish reason. Selfish because someone is finding joy in something you can't. There are people who enjoy this game. Let them enjoy it for what it is. There are people out there who don't play it yet who will enjoy it. Face up to that. Your jihad against the game is pointless.
There are improvements (and no, by reading your comments, I don't believe you have played in a long time and are only repeating hearsay, btw) and the game is better than it was.
It will be a niche game, and a decent one at that.
The only person I could think of who would have a valid (albeit twisted) reason to go to the lengths you have would be DA, and he's not doing it. So why are you?
Agree to disagree and play the other games you are so fond of. Focus your energy on another game and help it become more than it is.
It has nothing to do with getting ripped off. I wish you would stop acting like you know me. In fact in another thread about Mourning I state exactly why I post about this game and others that are just down right bad for the MMORPG world. But you keep thinking you know me, it only makes you that more wrong.
I also find it funny how you just ignore most of my posts and go on about what I should do.
Tell you what let me play you. Why don't you just ignore my posts. Sure seems like DB does.
Take no thought of who is right or wrong or who is better than. Be not for or against.
Bruce Lee
Valiant attempt, JDexter. But the troll loves it when you feed him and he comes back for more!
Let's try to make this forum be about the game and not about this poor soul who haunts it.
Take no thought of who is right or wrong or who is better than. Be not for or against.
Bruce Lee
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It has nothing to do with getting ripped off. I wish you would stop acting like you know me. In fact in another thread about Mourning I state exactly why I post about this game and others that are just down right bad for the MMORPG world. But you keep thinking you know me, it only makes you that more wrong.
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4/20/05
As far as me moving on they ripped me off by having me buy a box that has nothing of the content in game that was on the box. Then they have a broken engine and not only that use a engine that is made for consoles. Which is why no matter what software coding they do the over all engine problems will still be there. They need a new engine and make the game they sold us. But they will never happen. This game will fail and is failing which is why it is dead. This is just the Dawn of the Dead right now.
4/20/05
I really am trying to get over it but I hate being ripped off by a 3rd class company. I also have a problem with people making statements about how great the game is and they refuse to tell the truth about all the problems the game has. Just exploring in this game is just down right bad. When going into an area you have to stand still and wait any where from 1 to 2 minutes for mobs and or mining objects to show up. It just shows why a console enegine can't work with a pc game.
But I will try to do what you ask. Just my small way to get my money back.
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Again, you were saying?
Yep just like Mourning they promised stuff and said things on box were in game and to this day it still isn't. So for me to say it was a rip off is totally true. So really what is your point? Are you attempting to say all that was on box is really in game? You know that isn't true and the little content they have put in game is nothing to really talk about. As for the rest all it is, is just fluff. As far as the new engine yep they admit they need one, they just don't have the funds to get one and then port all the data to it.
Hmm didn't you say to stop feeding the troll? So it seems you say things and then back off on it. Oh wait thats called human nature.
Also would like to point out about 80% of my posts have only been in responce to either a lie about the game or in answer to someone like you calling me names and attacking.
Either way I still get pm's telling me how right I was and am on the game. I also see it is the exact same people responding to me with attacks and name calling which shows the community in HZ. Keep it up you guys are showing I'm right on about the people playing HZ.
Take no thought of who is right or wrong or who is better than. Be not for or against.
Bruce Lee
First off, you say you didn't say you were doing it because you felt ripped off, and yet I have 2 quotes directly from you stating it is.
Second, reading comprehension ftw! I didn't say anything about not feeding the trolls, that was another poster. Are all your facts checked so carefully?
Third, I didn't say a word about what was on the box being in the game. As a matter of fact , my post was about you and pointing out your words about your vendetta against this game. Nice try to twist my post to match your needs.
But I made my points you just want to make a big deal about other things than dealing with the real problems with HZ. In fact it is starting to look like all you can do is attack me on what I say. Why not keep to the game and point out where I was wrong about the problems the game has.
Let me put it this way, the game has been and still is a rip off that starts off by having a porn cc company take the payment to a dev team that has no clue how to make a real mmorpg. Run by a CEO DB that has no credibility left from the time Turbine fired him. Not to bring up the millions he already ripped off from other companies including his old landlord. Yes this is imho but true all the same.
Respond again and I will respond to you. Lets keep it going I love throwing the truth out about this game.
Take no thought of who is right or wrong or who is better than. Be not for or against.
Bruce Lee
I think that Horizons is a great game for casual gamers who like the feel of a small game where they players have a close interaction with the development team.
If you have played other mmorpgs, then you will find in Horizons some great quality of life features, like a superb interface (you can have up to 10 hot key bars, which you can set up either by drag and drop for single actions, or you can use them to set up macros; the tabbed chat boxes are great), tons of storage (a large vault with expansion ability, lots of differnt kinds of backpacks that can hold a 100 items or more and can even be configured to permit a merchant mode); a superb and deep crafting system; the ability to multiclass; a large and seamless world; the ability to own and build on in-game property; and a fun and intuitive combat system.
The close interaction with the development team means that the game develops and grows before your eyes, and you can see how the development team moves it forward both by assessing their shorter and longer term goals and then by tweaking it in response to player experience.
The game is good whether you just want to log on for a couple hours every day or so, or you have the time to play for hours and hours every day. Adventuring is great either solo or on groups, and groups tend to be very flexible and laid back and for the fun of it.
The playerbase is mature and friendly, and you will often find families playing together.
This is what Horizons is now.
Take no thought of who is right or wrong or who is better than. Be not for or against.
Bruce Lee
Yeah I cut and pasted what I said here over there, because VN is still populated by people who don't play Horizons anymore but like to disparage those of us who do play it and love it.
I think that people who love something and believe in it need to stand up for it when it is attacked.
Take no thought of who is right or wrong or who is better than. Be not for or against.
Bruce Lee
*Sigh*
People who read this forum to find out about Horizons: it's really a fun game, and you may like it. I like it and so do a bunch of other people who play it. There's a free trial in case you want to try it out. You can read more about the game at the official forums.
That's another facet of the game that is worth pointing out: it is really two games in one. It is the game for dragons and the game for bipedsm and the dragon game is different enough to need a lot of separate development.
Dragon lairs are a top development priority now, apparently. One reason they are not in the game yet is that Tulga has refused to go with cheap and easy alternatives and want lairs to be done well. Lairs will be actual tunnels and caves inside mountains, and the lair construction system thus needs to be developed separately from the biped one.
I know. They claim to have scrapped floating island lairs during latter part of beta, yet opt not to post screenshots or put them in game as a "hold over" for the last 17 months. DB said words, "lairs are on track" for a "very special anniversary" for December 2004. They post images of the new lairs around December and DB rambled about its cool features in IRC. DB's words = vaporware (remember the July 2003 interview?).
However, you certainly realize that dwarves and other races will later have access to some of these new features - DB said so in an old interview and it only makes sense. Likely that is a factor in their delay.
Finally, AE --> TulgAE continues to expand the functionality of the plot construction system . . . . for all races but one. Remember the new options after the server merge for October 2004 - more guild content, structures, and crafting bonuses? Then more buildings and plot decorations since then. Now they caved in to player whines and certain discs can be ported.
Developer interaction on the forums has increased from their near silence prior to January 2005 . . . . mostly due to Chris T (I know, I remember his directive to his employees). Amon being the sole exception.
A lot of the features you describe all enable it as what one poster said, the Fisher Price of MMOGs. "Quality of life" features - extensive macroing (can auto level with it also), universal chat for that silent feeling seeing groups about, universal vault accessible from many locations, huge back/scalepacks and cargo gear (for non-dragons), instant crafting and powerleveling crafting using cross-over skills (from resources near machines, for all tiers), powerleveling other classes for their skillsets to maximize ability statistics/skills/masterable abilities for that uberness (for non-dragons), a large world where most places are just a portal jump away, and all characters can own plots and non-dragons can build upon them. There are more player conveniences than features that enable a deeper immersion as one "living" in Istaria.
Yes, the Fisher Price of MMOGs, not social RP as game mechanics allow "role swapping" based on a character's current class (for non-dragons). It is a nice description for Istaria, the land of convenience. Woot! More portal destinations, portal rings, and destination pads are being added.
Basically you can't lose in Istaria. Mobs can easily be outrun, you can recall at anytime without cost and the death penalty is pretty light anyway. If you make any game too convenient and penalties for mistakes too trivial then you have a game without risk where the only thing standing between someone and any goal is a mountain of monotonous grinding.
Well CoH is more Fisher-Pricey than HZ in these regards. You can take on and kill (solo) 3+ mobs who are your level or higher, and you can very easily run away from them -- much more easily than in HZ these days. If you are a controller you can mez and damage a mob or a group mobs with NO damge taken to yourself and just slowly kill them off -- no risk at all.
In EQ and EQ2 you can run to guards or zonelines if you get in trouble. Since HZ doesn't have zonelines, guess they have to make them drop aggro outside a certain radius, otherwise they'd never leave you alone.
The death penalty in HZ is severe enough to amke it so you can't even craft because your stats are too low for you to equi[p the tools you need. It's a fairly severe penalty.
Lots of the easiness of mobs is just pvE anyway and true in any game. AI is ALWAYS more limited than human adaptability. Mobs are AKLWAYS less ingeneous than humans.
EVE Online at the moment.
That is one way to look at it, for sure. Or you could look at it this way.
Basically you can't lose in Istaria. Mobs can easily be outrun, you can recall at anytime without cost and the death penalty is pretty light anyway. If you make any game too convenient and penalties for mistakes too trivial then you have a game without risk where the only thing to do is have fun!
But no, for me dying is still a pain in the ass cuz you have to run back to where you were fighting. Risk vs. reward will always be relative. If there is big risk you just have to make bigger plans and be safer to avoid that risk. Without those harsh penalties a case could be made that you have to do less planning and just have fun. Don't you think?
I can have fun in UO with full looting or AC2 which people call carebear. For me it's about fun. If it's fun, I play. If not I don't. Some people HAVE to have hardcore PvP to have fun. That is just how they are. Everyone is different. Opinions are like earholes, everyone has a couple.
Horizons is fun for me. If it's not fun for you then I wish you well playing the next game you get. But I am pleased that you tried it, I think the game is really worth the time. It has character, something sorely missing from most of the games release in the last 2 years. Wouldn't you agree that so many games released lately are just so...soulless?
I think Horizons has soul. Try it and see if you agree.
Lots of the time in EQ2 you won't have guards or zone lines nearby to bail you out. Literally anytime in Hz you can press the "oopsie" button and get out of trouble. COH I never really got very far into - dull game. I agree AI will always be exploitable.
EVE Online at the moment.
I tried EVE. I hated it. I could be totally wrong and I accept that. We both have our opinions and I respect yours. But calling Horizons the Fisher Price of MMO's is a bit juvenile, and it's really more than just a bit.
And saying I hated EVE was really me being polite. I won't resort to name calling because I love all of these games because I'm a game enthusiast and putting other games down doesn't serve any of our purposes.
Horizons is fun and very kewl and worth the effort, I'm staying at least until Vanguard goes retail. Have fun in EVE, also from what other people say a very kewl game.
Planning and the excitement of knowing I can lose something tangible is a big part of the fun for me. Different strokes eh?
You'll have to define or describe "soul" for me for an answer.