No free to play option?

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  • RemyVorenderRemyVorender Riverside, RIMember RarePosts: 3,586
    F2P is the worst way possible for a company to separate a customer from their money.

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  • ZubeiiZubeii Holbrook, MAMember UncommonPosts: 28
    edited April 2016
    There will be an Open Beta to try the game before you buy it. There will also be a trial account you can use a month or so after the game launches.

    Also, I am getting tired of people putting all the blame on WAR on MJ. EA is not breathing down his neck this time.
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  • BrenicsBrenics Warren, MIMember RarePosts: 1,939
    I have started to believe anything a developer says will at some time in future be changed to put one over on the gamers. Like ESO they promised never to go F2P and a store yet they laughed at us and went B2P with a store. Now they laugh at us by throwing DLC's at us yet never fix bugs and lag. We can't trust any developer anymore and one day I pray gamers will wake up and stop playing F2P games and also refuse to play B2P MMO's. These developers couldn't make a game today that could survive on a monthly sub for the simple reason they make shitty games, period! 
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  • BrenicsBrenics Warren, MIMember RarePosts: 1,939
    Zubeii said:
    There will be an Open Beta to try the game before you buy it. There will also be a trial account you can use a month or so after the game launches.

    Also, I am getting tired of people putting all the blame on WHO on MJ. EA is not breathing down his neck this time.
    ^^This is something else us gamers see with new games still in development. People with newer accounts that tend to say things about the developers and how they can be trusted. I always look at these as a red flag. But then again I repeat this goes on in every new developing game. So in my book it already has the red flag up. 
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  • ShrikeArghastShrikeArghast Kennebunk, MEMember UncommonPosts: 124
    Very happy there is no F2P content available. You want to commit, then get behind the product. Otherwise, continue to wring your hands and agonize on the sidelines. 
  • TabmoweTabmowe avon, COMember UncommonPosts: 33
    thank god.

  • CalexCalex Central, NJMember UncommonPosts: 99
    F2P should die.
  • WizardryWizardry Ontario, CanadaMember EpicPosts: 13,190
    OP got his title a little messed up.
    He is right not many people want to fork over money on a whim,so there should be a trial,not to be confused with free to play.
    I am good with anything 1-3 days,yes even 1 day is plenty enough to see what we need to see.

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  • MoiraeMoirae New Orleans, LAMember RarePosts: 3,238
    edited April 2016
    YashaX said:
    So pay the sub for one month.  That's 30 days to try the game, if you don't like it cancel.  That's what people used to do before f2p came along.
    But it will cost a box price plus sub to play right? So it will be something like $60 (including one month sub) and then about $15/month thereafter?
    So what. Its still virtually nothing. Can't pay for it, get a job and save up. That's how we used to do it... you know back in the stone ages called the 80's when we were kids. It will teach you some valuable economic lessons you can use later in your life when you have to start paying for things like cars, your rent, and electricity. 
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  • Eadan1Eadan1 Member UncommonPosts: 344
    edited April 2016
    Go play any one of the millions of cash shop games out there if that is your thing.
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  • WarWitchWarWitch charlotte, NCMember UncommonPosts: 147
    Free to play has turned into pay to win I and MJ don't want anything to do with it. Endless cussing, gold selling, racist comments, ques from free loaders etc. The gamers and CU will be better off without them. 
  • MisterZebubMisterZebub Not In ESOMember EpicPosts: 2,229
    Ledrir said:
    I have heard that there is no free to play option and I am a little concerned about this.  I realize that some people see this as a cover charge that keeps out the trouble makers.  Maybe that is true, however I wonder how many people will pay $15 without some way of trying the game out to see if they like it.

    What if the free to play players were used in a way that strengthens the game?  I do not know what the max player limit for a server is but lets say its a little over 3000.  However, during some parts of the day the server will have less than 2000 players on it?  CSE could allow free to play players to log in to any server that has less than 2000 currently playing on it.  If the population goes over 2000 then no new free to play players can log on.  If the server goes over 2500 then the game forces free to players on over 3 hours to log out.

    This would help in two ways.  It would give people a chance to try the game out for free to see if they like it.  It would also help to prop up populations on any server that is currently below its desired player size.


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  • Eadan1Eadan1 Member UncommonPosts: 344
    collekt said:
    Free to Play is a cancer, please do not try to force that upon CU (not that they'd ever let it happen anyway). The sub model encourages developers to stay true to the game, and encourages them to provide regular updates and support the game for a long time to come. F2P encourages developers to design the game around ways to extract money from whales, as opposed to designing a solid, fun game.

    To people who complain about the cost of a sub: Where is the logic? Even if the sub price is $15 a month, that's such an incredibly low amount of money for the number of hours of entertainment you can get out of an MMO. That's the part that I can never understand, how people complain about having to pay it. For the same price, you can go to a 1.5 hour movie or get fast food for a couple of people. Compare that to the number of hours the average MMO player spends in their game of choice over the course of the month. $15 is nothing. If you can't afford $15/month you shouldn't be spending your money on games in the first place.
    After examining f2p supporters, I came to understand that the reason they don't like subscription isn't about the service they get not being worth it. Most of them feel cheated when some people can play the game more than them for the same monthly fee. The deal most people get from subscription is easily worth it, but these haters don't like that some others are getting a better deal in their view. Some of them aren't interested in gaming at all, they see it as a medium to show off how much they can spend on pixels.

    Some CEO of a popular game described the reason they don't want "subscription in their game" is because he had a WOW account for years that he didn't freeze or cancel even though he wasn't playing anymore. The reality is he knows cash shop results in more profit for less work, so he needs to come up with ridiculous excuses to support cash shop. I feel sorry for the supporters of cash shop who aren't even aware of what's going on.
  • SomethingUnusualSomethingUnusual Member UncommonPosts: 530
    Of course there will be a way for people to "try" the game, hell all subscription games have always had a way. Presented either as a buddy key, or even free trials handed out over counters or on the web.

    Free to play is relatively new in concept still (What, 6 years now?) While it has done some good to the genre in some ways, it's totally fucked it in others by bringing in more spammers, not just gold spammers but marketing as a whole. I'll stick to sub-based games and buy to play, less advertising thrown in my face and a more likely complete product.

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  • ZubeiiZubeii Holbrook, MAMember UncommonPosts: 28
    edited April 2016
    Brenics said:
    Zubeii said:
    There will be an Open Beta to try the game before you buy it. There will also be a trial account you can use a month or so after the game launches.

    Also, I am getting tired of people putting all the blame on WHO on MJ. EA is not breathing down his neck this time.
    ^^This is something else us gamers see with new games still in development. People with newer accounts that tend to say things about the developers and how they can be trusted. I always look at these as a red flag. But then again I repeat this goes on in every new developing game. So in my book it already has the red flag up. 
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  • AnideinAnidein Member UncommonPosts: 19
    I remember there was a free to play forever part of warhammer online.  I don't know how successful that was for mythic, but I believe it did bring in some new players.
  • dreamer05dreamer05 Kansas City, MOMember UncommonPosts: 659
    I would prefer a monthly sub over F2P any day. F2P games have completely overloaded the market with nothing but crap.

    I think MMOs should give a free 3 day pass to allow players to test out the game to see if they want to buy, but after that, as other stated, I would rather support a game I enjoy with a healthy monthly income so that they can continue to develop content rather than cash shop content.

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  • Cramit845Cramit845 Port Ewen, NYMember UncommonPosts: 394
    dreamer05 said:
    I would prefer a monthly sub over F2P any day. F2P games have completely overloaded the market with nothing but crap.

    I think MMOs should give a free 3 day pass to allow players to test out the game to see if they want to buy, but after that, as other stated, I would rather support a game I enjoy with a healthy monthly income so that they can continue to develop content rather than cash shop content.
    Completely agree.  I always liked the passes blizzard would give their customers so they could give one to each of their friends so their friends could play for a couple days.  That always seemed like the most reasonable solution to me.

    The sub is certainly one of the better ways to keep content going into the game regularly, IMO.  If CU could give passes or a couple day trials with possibly some restrictions on the account, like no chatting in broadcast or world/zone wide chat channels is always a good one imo.  This would allow folks to still be able to try the game before having to purchase it.  
  • JermzyJermzy Ortonville, MIMember UncommonPosts: 210
    It was stated from the beginning that his would be a sub game with no cash shop, ever.  It was also stated that this will be a niche game, they are not trying to deliver on 5 million subs, although i am sure they would welcome that.   If you are bothered by the sub and no f2p option, then you do not fall within the niche.
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  • gervaise1gervaise1 .Member EpicPosts: 4,460
    So all those people who are anti B2P because its just a type of f2p must also be against the lifetime purchase option. Interesting. 

    You have been told you lifers you are f2p scum!
  • Sid_ViciousSid_Vicious Portland, ORMember UncommonPosts: 2,032
    Right now there is no F2P game of this type in the market besides Warhammer (but they dont need to worry about competing with that one). They need money to make new content so they should make people pay.

    Thumbs down.

    Subscription is where its at.

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  • markus1902markus1902 londonMember UncommonPosts: 3
    There was never any confirmation of a sub price. So anybody who's against paying £9.99 ($14.99) a month doesn't really have any concern. Back in 2013/2014 MJ mentioned that he didn't want it to be that much. So you're probably going to be looking at a £4.99 ($9.99) sub a month, which is less than minimum wage.. more or less.

    For anybody who has kids who (or maybe they have) play/played club penguin or something like that, that's the sort of content that people pay £4.99 ($9.99) for a month. You're going to get your money's worth here.
  • YashaXYashaX Baldurs GateMember RarePosts: 2,013
    Moirae said:
    YashaX said:
    So pay the sub for one month.  That's 30 days to try the game, if you don't like it cancel.  That's what people used to do before f2p came along.
    But it will cost a box price plus sub to play right? So it will be something like $60 (including one month sub) and then about $15/month thereafter?
    So what. Its still virtually nothing. Can't pay for it, get a job and save up. That's how we used to do it... you know back in the stone ages called the 80's when we were kids. It will teach you some valuable economic lessons you can use later in your life when you have to start paying for things like cars, your rent, and electricity. 
    I was just clarifying how much it would actually cost to try it out for one month .....

    And $60 upfront + $15/month is actually something, in fact its a substantial sum of money if you do anything besides play one game and have to pay all those bills you mention.
    ....
  • FlyinDutchman87FlyinDutchman87 London MIlls, ILMember UncommonPosts: 292
    uhhhh... I think you got a virus there capt.
  • p4ttythep3rf3ctp4ttythep3rf3ct Austin, TXMember UncommonPosts: 146
    gervaise1 said:
    So all those people who are anti B2P because its just a type of f2p must also be against the lifetime purchase option. Interesting. 

    You have been told you lifers you are f2p scum!
    Lifetime Subs for this game work out to paying for 36 months worth at regular price and then $1/year after. So, guess who's not F2P scum after all...

    That's just, like, my opinion, man.

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