is DBG's silence a good thing or a bad thing?

Bane82Bane82 Gainesville, GAMember UncommonPosts: 1,242
Pretty straightforward, I'm sure some of us have read the article here on MMORPG.com wherein DBG's response was mainly "when we have something, we'll let you know"

I can kind of understand what they're getting at, as they've been getting a lot of heat because of how the game, and perhaps more so, the community has been handled. However, I'm not 100% sure this might be a good idea. Again, I understand where they're coming from, and they probably did not know what kind of burden they were getting when they decided to take over the EQ IP. But keeping the audience in the dark for too long isn't going to help your cause either.

I've heard more often than not, that since most of what we keep seeing is just concept art after concept art within the workshop shows, it lends people to believe that DBG is way behind in terms of progress (I don't know, don't ask, I'm not the one who made the comment). One such comment though, was pretty valid, in that, in as long as this game is supposed to be in the works, why has so little been revealed in terms of races. How is it possible that they don't have 3D concept even for those, as these should usually be the first out the gate. Honestly, I think this is a valid question. As a 3D modeler/animator (for short films mainly) I do have to scratch my head at this, as this is usually job one for me as well, and it's typically the one you want done right out the gate.

I don't know, perhaps this is all just too much over my head, but I can't help but wonder. Don't get me wrong, I do want this game to succeed badly, mainly because I was around for the first EQ and loved my experiences in that Norrath. But at the same time, I don't want to let my rose colored glasses blind me either.
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  • AngryElfAngryElf Member UncommonPosts: 122
    2017 at earliest,  if at all
  • rojoArcueidrojoArcueid GinnungagapMember EpicPosts: 8,678
    when a company stays silent while planning something big for their fans they usually dont fire most of their best employees.

    I would say their silence is a bad sign...

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  • DMKanoDMKano Gamercentral, AKMember LegendaryPosts: 16,665
    Why does it have to be either?

    DBG is undergoing massive changes with their staff - whenever a shakeup of this magnitude happens it takes at least 6 months to a year to figure things out.

    This could be a great thing to turn things around in unexpected ways sometimes - having smaller more agile teams and a developers shifted around projects sometimes infuses new fresh perspective and new drive into projects.

    I think that silence is indicative of things changing - now how it turns out, it remains to be seen.


  • ThebeastttThebeasttt Grah, ALMember RarePosts: 1,036
    The butchery of the EQ franchise is difficult to watch. After the release of combat in Landmark the hype of EQNext vanished overnight. My faith in this project is nonexistent but honestly DBG can't do much worse then SoE.
  • muffins89muffins89 Yakima, WAMember UncommonPosts: 1,585
    bad.  considering they announced the game,  hyped it up,  sold people landmark,  have since broken from SOE,  and are now quiet. 
  • muffins89muffins89 Yakima, WAMember UncommonPosts: 1,585
    when a company stays silent while planning something big for their fans they usually dont fire most of their best employees.

    I would say their silence is a bad sign...

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  • Daffid011Daffid011 Member UncommonPosts: 7,945
    DMKano said:
    Why does it have to be either?

    DBG is undergoing massive changes with their staff - whenever a shakeup of this magnitude happens it takes at least 6 months to a year to figure things out.

    This could be a great thing to turn things around in unexpected ways sometimes - having smaller more agile teams and a developers shifted around projects sometimes infuses new fresh perspective and new drive into projects.

    I think that silence is indicative of things changing - now how it turns out, it remains to be seen.



    You are correct that SOE->Daybreak is going through massive change and it is going to take some time for things to shake out.  However this isn't the first time this company has downsized teams and the presentation was that quicker, more nimble, more focused, targeted development would somehow be the result.  I think the body of work over the last half a decade of these changes says this will not be how things shake out here.

    While it does remain to be seen how things turn out, I suspect at that time we will look back at all the events surrounding this project showing and conclude that despite hopes it all pointed to how things ended up turning out.

  • KajidourdenKajidourden Panama City, FLMember RarePosts: 1,422
    Seriously?  You felt the need for ANOTHER one of these threads?  There's like 5...take your pick dude. 

    My answer is simple:  Shut up and wait, until then you're wasting your time and energy. 
    Or not, just don't flood the forums with another of the same topic.
  • DistopiaDistopia Baltimore, MDMember EpicPosts: 21,106
    Who knows? Until there is something of substance said or done after what has transpired, it's really hard to say. new CEO, new leads, the entire plan could change, the entire project could be scrapped. It's a different company now almost entirely.

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  • MisterZebubMisterZebub Not In ESOMember EpicPosts: 2,229
    DMKano said:
    Why does it have to be either?

    DBG is undergoing massive changes with their staff - whenever a shakeup of this magnitude happens it takes at least 6 months to a year to figure things out.

    This could be a great thing to turn things around in unexpected ways sometimes - having smaller more agile teams and a developers shifted around projects sometimes infuses new fresh perspective and new drive into projects.

    I think that silence is indicative of things changing - now how it turns out, it remains to be seen.


    Plus that's about how long it will take to up-train the janitor and the lad who makes the tea to game coding status.

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  • coretex666coretex666 PragueMember RarePosts: 3,207
    Seriously?  You felt the need for ANOTHER one of these threads?  There's like 5...take your pick dude. 

    My answer is simple:  Shut up and wait, until then you're wasting your time and energy. 
    Or not, just don't flood the forums with another of the same topic.
    You shut up
  • KyleranKyleran Paradise City, FLMember LegendaryPosts: 26,240
    Seriously?  You felt the need for ANOTHER one of these threads?  There's like 5...take your pick dude. 

    My answer is simple:  Shut up and wait, until then you're wasting your time and energy. 
    Or not, just don't flood the forums with another of the same topic.
    Shhh...need you to be quiet now, the grown-ups are having a conversation. Silence about the game really doesn't mean anything, don't read into it too much.

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  • SpottyGekkoSpottyGekko JohannesburgMember EpicPosts: 6,539
    Pfffttt... EQN is history, lol

    DBG are just hoping that if they keep absolutely quiet for long enough people will give up and wander off to do other things. Then when they eeeeventually announce the game is canned, nobody will care anymore...
  • HrimnirHrimnir Member RarePosts: 2,380

    This game is really bringing out some aberrant behavior in people.  Its been basically half a year and we haven't heard anything, except all bad stuff, layoffs, restructuring, etc.  Even before daybreak when it was still SOE, it was basically little to no news in the case of EQN, and only a minor bit of "news" in regards to Landmark.

    Anyone who thinks this game is going to come out in any way, shape, or form, resembling what they talked about during the first year, is literally out of their mind.  *IF* it does come out, and that's a big if, it will likely be some frankensteined version designed for mobile and will be extremely p2w, monetized, etc.

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  • Charlie.CheswickCharlie.Cheswick Manhattan, NYMember UncommonPosts: 469
    Just do what the rest of us are doing and follow Pantheon. It's far more likely to please an EQ fan than EQN was ever going to.
    -Chuckles
  • gervaise1gervaise1 .Member RarePosts: 4,325
    edited November 2015
    Put EQN to one side and consider what is / has been happening to their other games: EQ, EQ2 etc. etc. Pretty positive in many ways. And at this moment in time these are the games they want to promote - and they haven't been silent doing so - as these are their current revenue generators.
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  • TamanousTamanous Edmonton, ABMember RarePosts: 2,581
    Like most of you I'd love to hear something official and soon. I do wonder though if they are taking a long hard look at it's design and wondering if it is the direction they want to go. Does it align with the currently EQ franchise that still has some life to it?

    Progression servers provide the company with great statistical information and alienating their player base is proven to not be a great idea as that is pretty much the direction most mmos went and the current market reflects this with tons of player frustration.

    I await to see what is in fact happening with great interest.

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  • ShaighShaigh Member RarePosts: 1,454
    DBG is more interested in H1Z1 and that new title they are working on. Landmark was a flop and the idea for everquest next was mostly about wishful thinking from many of the developers. At soe live 2014 they hyped up storybricks, within six months the company went defunct.

    Right now they are trying to figure out a realistic approach of creating everquest next and depending on that process we will get to hear about the game they are actually building. If they aren't happy about the new approach they scrap the project altogether and put their energy on projects that carry less risk.
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  • SyndromofaDownSyndromofaDown Member UncommonPosts: 325
    If you watched Evercracked.

    You would notice lots of similarities between the production of EQ and the production of EQNext. 

    1) Devs primarily Rosie Rappaport (she was art director back then) didn't think the game would ever ship. Staff people starting calling it "Neverquest". Smedley on the other hand, knew the game would ship (It was due to the workload the devs were experiencing)

    2)It was a HUGE gamble at the time. Similar to what Next is. 

    3)Devs didn't think it would succeed or not.

    4)There were heated arguments about the concepts of the original Everquest. Would they pursue a DnD license or would they make their own game. DnD being popular at the time and the granddaddy of rpgs.

    5)"Hit the reset button" was in the devs minds during the making of the game.

  • azarhalazarhal Somewhere, BCMember UncommonPosts: 1,156
    Tamanous said:
    Like most of you I'd love to hear something official and soon. I do wonder though if they are taking a long hard look at it's design and wondering if it is the direction they want to go. Does it align with the currently EQ franchise that still has some life to it?

    Progression servers provide the company with great statistical information and alienating their player base is proven to not be a great idea as that is pretty much the direction most mmos went and the current market reflects this with tons of player frustration.

    I await to see what is in fact happening with great interest.
    I really doubt they are going to change EQNext to become an EQ-remake when they said they wanted to attract new people to the EQ franchise and not cannibalize their old games. The design of EQNext is based on "novelty", not nostalgia.

    I think the "silence" is because they are just swamped with work...on other titles. I doubt Domino was the only devs taken from the team like 6 months ago to work on EQ2 new expansion. EQ1 too had a new expansion and one of EQNext dev mentioned something about testing EQ1 new progression server on twitter recently as well. 

    I suspect Daybreak is understaffed for the number of games they are working on. They have also been playing technological catch-up with Forgelight in the last year. That shouldn't have happened and it probably broke many, many things when they did it. Why the company heads let them work with a DX9 only engine since 2009 is beyond me.
  • WizardryWizardry Ontario, CanadaMember EpicPosts: 12,975
    Well OP ,i would say you got it pretty much down when comes to this game.
    They really don't have any choice to do things differently because they don't have much done aside from player made assets and they got rid of the community aspect because there really is nothing to discuss with the community.

    If you ever watched any of their shows it was 90% just them showing you player made assets.Then once i saw the two expansion packs,i realized ok they were doing absolutely nothing on the game until xpacks were done.

    Even right now ,i have to wonder how many resources are going into Next,it was clear before DB got the game that it was going to be funded a bit at a time from Landmark which can't be bringing in  money anymore.So it is quite possible most of their team is working on something else instead,perhaps a new gimmick or unfinished game as another cash grab.

    I don't think they are under staffed on each game,i feel they are under staffed as a whole.I think they just move from game to game,whatever looks like the best cash grab.I do not see them making enough money from any of their games right now to warrant much effort,that's why they went all in on the xpacks.

    I don't know how many xpacks they sold between EQ1/2 but i doubt it is anywhere near what DBG had hoped for.Then if those numbers are small,how will DB feel about long term spending on Next?I honestly feel this operation is on life support everyday and if not for the luck of H1Z1 DB may have already given up.

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  • ZigZagsZigZags CaliforniaMember UncommonPosts: 370
    you will all thank me later.

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  • KyleranKyleran Paradise City, FLMember LegendaryPosts: 26,240
    edited December 2015
    It's just a "no" thing. Read whatever you want into it that makes you happy.
    Post edited by Kyleran on

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  • WizardryWizardry Ontario, CanadaMember EpicPosts: 12,975
    I also believe there is some merit in comparing THEN and NOW,however ther is one more factor to include,sorry  two more.
    1 No more Smedley nor Brad either.
    2 $$$$ Back then SOE was doing mildly ok,still had a tough time selling it to the big dogs.I do not think DB is in a position to just give up yet since the ydid invest into buying this operation.However i believe every game is on a short leash,signs of losing money and game is gone,no revamps,no fixing no secondary marketing strats,just gone.

    Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.

  • jmcdermottukjmcdermottuk LiverpoolMember RarePosts: 1,463
    There's 2 things that worry me about this whole situation. First was the statement by Columbus Nova about taking this opportunity to make games on other platforms, namely consoles and mobile platforms.

    The 2nd one is more worrying than the 1st for me. Every cent spent on EQN up to the point of the buyout was Sony money. CN may well have looked at the budget required to finish the game and decided that money could be used elsewhere, to make the games they want for consoles and mobile platforms. They'd certainly be cheaper than a full fledged MMO.

    Now this is wild speculation on my part and I have nothing solid to base it on other than a gut feeling. The lack of any news about EQN does make me wonder though. About the only thing we've heard is that Storybricks was dropped. This was around 20 days after the buyout. It doesn't inspire confidence.

    It's either vapourware or it's being stripped down and simplified to the point that it can be easily ported to consoles and mobiles. I don't think for a second that we're going to see the EQN Dave Georgeson told us we'd be getting. That's just what I think, there's nothing to suggest I'm right, no links or news, just my own paranoia/cynicism at work.
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