Over 7 years ago the MMO industry was changed for the worse

octaocta Montreal, QCMember UncommonPosts: 245

This past May marked the 7th year from the atrocious launch of this MMO.  The industry was forever changed; seeming to mark the downward decent of the MMO genre into mediocrity and eventual free to play marketing.  I posit that Age of Conan was the catalyst for this shift.  A multi million boondogle that served to rob us of our cash on the promise of features that would never see the light of day simply for the short term gain of box purchases.

I learned that year:

  • Erling Ellingsen is a liar.
  • MMOs are released blatantly unfinished with no apologies to that fact
  • Little is learned at Funcom when they repeat their launch failures two games in a row.
  • History tends to repeat itself when bad management is involved.
  • Beta tests are a marketing tool and have little to do with balancing and finding issues.

Tortage was excellent once the major bugs were squashed but the player base quickly realized there was a hollow shell of a game beyond those borders.

Funcom continues to be a malignant tumor in the industry, more concerned with its bottom line than the quality of their effort.  They wasted and disused our trust and they boldly challenged us to do something about it. 

I hope the current state of Age of Conan is a lesson learned for any others wishing to sell us their snake oil.

I will never forget.  I will never forgive.

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  • ScorchienScorchien Hatboro, PAMember EpicPosts: 4,089

     Really not a bad game  (AoC), i enjoyed my time there.. and really had a great time in AO for years ... And enjoyed the few times ive made a run in TSW ...

     

      As far as Funcom goes .. i have made so much money off there stocks it would make your head spin :)

  • goboygogoboygo Member RarePosts: 1,740

    Huh?  AOC marked the downward spiral of all MMO's to come?

    I'm not sure what this game did to hurt you so bad, but its not the anti Christ of MMO's.

  • CelciusCelcius Member UncommonPosts: 1,150
    Funcom was never that big of a company; so I hardly would say it affected anything. It certainly did not herald the Western F2P model. That was Dungeons and Dragons Online. Not that it is a bad thing. The F2P model has been used for good and bad, just like the B2P model. 
  • Viper482Viper482 Somewhere, FLMember RarePosts: 1,734

    This is the most ludicrous thread I have seen in a while. AoC was overhyped and ended up not being as good as people wanted it to be, but it still was a very solid MMO in the end, much better than the crap coming out today. Either way, if you are going to blame a game for turning the genre upside down, you might want to pick one that had a little more influence. WoW was the beginning of the end for MMO's. To give AoC that title gives it more credit than it ever deserved lol. I mean seriously, how many subs was the max it could have had? Hardly a genre changer.

    If anything Funcom's second effort, The Secret World, attemped to change the genre. Is is touted at one of the most unique MMO experiences you can have today. Still....did not change a thing in the genre.

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  • JakdstripperJakdstripper British Columbia, CanadaMember UncommonPosts: 2,284

    personally i absolutely loved my time in AoC.

    it had  the best graphics of it's time. It was huge, and hard to mast the combat. it was gritty, bloody, and beautiful. i still get the itch every once in a while to load onto my bear shaman and swing a hammer around, or log onto my ranger and track people for no reason.....lol.

    learn to accept instead of expect, and you will greatly reduce your disappointments.......this works in RL too.

     

  • Po_ggPo_gg Twigwarren, WestfarthingMember RarePosts: 4,139
    Originally posted by octa
    This past May marked the 7th year from the atrocious launch of this MMO. [.....] I will never forget.  I will never forgive.

    Yay, the annual octa post is up :) it's that time already? seems an another year passed... that was quick. Time flies when you have good games to spend the time with them.

    See ya next year, I bet you won't forget to post image (since I think this malignant tumor in the industry will still be here)

    edit:

    Originally posted by Viper482
    This is the most ludicrous thread I have seen in a while.

    It's a long-running show now, every year he pops up and posts the same (with a +1 in the year section of course, to make it up-to-date). It's odd, but somewhere deep it's also funny.

  • Azaron_NightbladeAzaron_Nightblade KingsmouthMember EpicPosts: 4,287
    Originally posted by Deekins
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    LOL, how fitting. image

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  • FuryVFuryV Member UncommonPosts: 432
    So f*cking over the top, jeez.
  • reeereeereeereee Member UncommonPosts: 1,636
    I wish I had appreciated how great AoC was back when it actually had a decent population.
  • Jagwar_FangJagwar_Fang Lexington Park, MDMember UncommonPosts: 264
    Originally posted by Viper482
    This is the most ludicrous thread I have seen in a while. AoC was overhyped and ended up not being as good as people wanted it to be, but it still was a very solid MMO in the end, much better than the crap coming out today. Either way, if you are going to blame a game for turning the genre upside down, you might want to pick one that had a little more influence. WoW was the beginning of the end for MMO's. To give AoC that title gives it more credit than it ever deserved lol. I mean seriously, how many subs was the max it could have had? Hardly a genre changer. If anything Funcom's second effort, The Secret World, attemped to change the genre. Is is touted at one of the most unique MMO experiences you can have today. Still....did not change a thing in the genre.

    I agree.  WoW has done more to destroy the genre as it once was than AOC ever could have.  The features that most now consider to be a must came with WoW and it was the original dumbed down MMO clone. 

  • DMKanoDMKano Gamercentral, AKMember LegendaryPosts: 17,150

    Umm so blaming a dev studio for stuff they had no part in?

    Yep that makes total sense.

    /facepalm

     

  • DMKanoDMKano Gamercentral, AKMember LegendaryPosts: 17,150
    Originally posted by reeereee
    I wish I had appreciated how great AoC was back when it actually had a decent population.

    The pre-nerf combat at release (with animation cancelling) was amazing, IMO the most fun melee combat in any MMO period. It actually rewarded skilled gameplay, the nerfed version frankly is nowhere near as good.

    The other thing is AoCs F2P model is very poorly monetized.

     

  • WizardryWizardry Ontario, CanadaMember EpicPosts: 13,200

    I know what the complaints were i was there when the game released.

    I thought the game was pretty good until so many left it became a ghost town.

    Yes there was some bad side to the developer but also to the players.Everyone jumped in like they were playing WOW,thinking it is some super race to get levels,VERY few were actually enjoying the game,just some race.

    So then when they raced along they became bitter "Where are all my quests" so i can keep speed leveling.

    I obviously can't remember every little detail,been a long time but there were some flaws and some broken promises.I did not think the gear was well done and i did not like how quests felt like a linear single player game rather than a mmo.Houses locked out until you did said quest then some light comes on,is not a MMO game design.

    To me that was the main and real only blemish was the game felt like a single player game and not a MMO.Oh and i don't like dungeons that copy that old EQ design of tight corridors with mobs littered everywhere.I like some free movement and if i want to stop and take a break i can without having mobs all around me at every inch of the map.

    I still found a lot of the game enjoyable however i remember the graphics looking far better than they do now a days,i think the game was toned down to support f2p.

     

     

     

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  • PhryPhry OxfordshireMember EpicPosts: 9,037
    Originally posted by Azaron_Nightblade
    Originally posted by Deekins
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    LOL, how fitting. image

    Couldn't agree more, though i have to wonder, given the whole semi nudity thing, was AoC responsible for Scarlet Blade image

  • DarkcrystalDarkcrystal Member UncommonPosts: 963
    octa said:

    This past May marked the 7th year from the atrocious launch of this MMO.  The industry was forever changed; seeming to mark the downward decent of the MMO genre into mediocrity and eventual free to play marketing.  I posit that Age of Conan was the catalyst for this shift.  A multi million boondogle that served to rob us of our cash on the promise of features that would never see the light of day simply for the short term gain of box purchases.

    I learned that year:

    • Erling Ellingsen is a liar.
    • MMOs are released blatantly unfinished with no apologies to that fact
    • Little is learned at Funcom when they repeat their launch failures two games in a row.
    • History tends to repeat itself when bad management is involved.
    • Beta tests are a marketing tool and have little to do with balancing and finding issues.

    Tortage was excellent once the major bugs were squashed but the player base quickly realized there was a hollow shell of a game beyond those borders.

    Funcom continues to be a malignant tumor in the industry, more concerned with its bottom line than the quality of their effort.  They wasted and disused our trust and they boldly challenged us to do something about it. 

    I hope the current state of Age of Conan is a lesson learned for any others wishing to sell us their snake oil.

    I will never forget.  I will never forgive.

    MMO's are never finished...... This is why  you see less MMO's made, people think that they are easy and cheap to make when they are not...

    Most companys have left and went to Phone and tablet games which is smart... Piss on the rest of the whining MMO players...   Candy Crush sold for billions....  and others are following suit....  You only have yourself to blame..
  • DarkcrystalDarkcrystal Member UncommonPosts: 963

    DMKano said:

    Umm so blaming a dev studio for stuff they had no part in?

    Yep that makes total sense.

    /facepalm

     


    Typical, people always blame the devs, and they wonder why devs aren't making MMO's anymore... We are seeing less and less..Some indies but they will wise up also... 

    Not worth the hassle now a days to make MMO's...and I love MMO's but once I worked for a company that made them and see the emails by people it made me sick to my stomach... 
  • Eadan1Eadan1 Member UncommonPosts: 344
    Glad to see someone who shares my hate for Funcom and AoC. Age of Con (not a typo) definitely was a catalyst for the shift to free labor games.
  • CrazKanukCrazKanuk Elmira, ONMember EpicPosts: 5,903
    Ok, let's play a quick game of "Tell me which game I'm NOT talking about":

    I learned that year:

    • <insert Marketing Person for the Game> is a liar.
    • MMOs are released blatantly unfinished with no apologies to that fact
    • Little is learned at <insert game company> when they repeat their launch failures <# of games> games in a row.
    • History tends to repeat itself when bad management is involved.
    • Beta tests are a marketing tool and have little to do with balancing and finding issues.


    This... pretty much captures the majority of games and gaming companies out there. Anyone willing to take a stab at finding a company not matching the description is more than welcome. 

    Crazkanuk

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  • lahnmirlahnmir UtrechtMember RarePosts: 968
    edited January 2016
    Great post OP, too bad you only post this once a year. Isn't it possible to post this daily? Like "7 years and 1 day ago...." to "7 years and 2 days ago..." and so on and so forth? I mean, you will NEVER forgive and NEVER forget, you might want to put a bit more effort in showing people how disgruntled you are because Funcom basically destroyed life as we knew it with AoC. I was there on the faithful day it released, I know man, I know.

    But really, less drama and more reality please, what utter nonsense, not to mention a lack of taste by comparing Funcom to a malignant tumor. So sad it is almost funny, but not quite. Just to counter this I think I am going to reinstall the game and blow some money in the Cashshop :p .

    /Cheers,
    Lahnmir
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  • carotidcarotid Member UncommonPosts: 425
    edited January 2016
    My bad. Sorry
    Post edited by carotid on
  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 15,057
    MMO's are never finished...... This is why  you see less MMO's made, people think that they are easy and cheap to make when they are not...

    Most companys have left and went to Phone and tablet games which is smart... Piss on the rest of the whining MMO players...   Candy Crush sold for billions....  and others are following suit....  You only have yourself to blame..
    Dude, the thread was dead and forgotten. Stop necroing stupid threads.
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  • Eadan1Eadan1 Member UncommonPosts: 344
    edited January 2016
    Torval said:
    MMO's are never finished...... This is why  you see less MMO's made, people think that they are easy and cheap to make when they are not...

    Most companys have left and went to Phone and tablet games which is smart... Piss on the rest of the whining MMO players...   Candy Crush sold for billions....  and others are following suit....  You only have yourself to blame..
    Dude, the thread was dead and forgotten. Stop necroing stupid threads.
    This made me remember my necromancer from AoC who would get oneshot by people spitting at him, and then  they nerfed him lol.
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  • AnnaTSAnnaTS ManchesterMember UncommonPosts: 475
    If Age of Conan hadn't released i might not of found MMORPGS, I only came across them when i say that episode of the big bang theory when Penny gets addicted to an online game sheldon was playing and it was Age  of Conan.
  • scorpex-xscorpex-x IAMember RarePosts: 1,030
    This thread is terrible, I want to fire it out of a cannon and walk a thousand cows over whatever remains.
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