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  • NanfoodleNanfoodle Member EpicPosts: 7,600
    Originally posted by DMKano
    Originally posted by Adjuvant1
    Originally posted by Howbadisbad
    I haven't really noticed any negative changes in quality of posts recently, could they really be as bad as us?   F2P sucks!
    P2P sucks!
    Archeage is good guys I swear!
    Full loot pvp? enjoy your greifer game!
    Early access is such a scam!
    This newly announced game is definitely gonna be the best game ever!
    Why is a non mmo being featured?
    Im never buying from Trion/SOE again!
    Enjoy your themeparks casuals!
    These graphics are from 1980!

    But "early access", in the form of "paid alpha test", is a scam. :/ The rest is true, though! :)

    As long as the devs are very clear about the fact that you are paying for a completely unfinished alpha game - I don't see how it's a scam.

    If I stand on the street corner and sell an empty brown paper bag for $50 that is clearly marked as an empty bag, nothing inside of it - and tell people very clearly that it's just an empty bag - it's not a scam.

    In most cases the issue with EA games is players are willing to throw money at anything.

    So this!!! How people cant get that a game labeled Alpha or Beta and expect a fully functioning game blows my mind. 



  • sonicbrewsonicbrew Fredericksburg, VAMember UncommonPosts: 514
    Originally posted by sludgebeard
    Originally posted by Howbadisbad
    I haven't really noticed any negative changes in quality of posts recently, could they really be as bad as us?   F2P sucks!
    P2P sucks!
    Archeage is good guys I swear!
    Full loot pvp? enjoy your greifer game!
    Early access is such a scam!
    This newly announced game is definitely gonna be the best game ever!
    Why is a non mmo being featured?
    Im never buying from Trion/SOE again!
    Enjoy your themeparks casuals!
    These graphics are from 1980!

    This site has more character, you haven't really been a part of the community here, unless you have been banned a few times or received countless warnings for habitual trolling.

    Wow really? You haven't been around much have you. This site cannot compare to Massively or its community sorry to say.

    “Once the game is over, the king and the pawn go back in the same box.” ~ Italian proverb   

      

  • vadio123vadio123 inferno, ALMember UncommonPosts: 592

    Alot valid points above...... 

    but its not exclusive from people using massively 

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  • greatskysgreatskys marlboroughMember UncommonPosts: 451
    Originally posted by sludgebeard
    Originally posted by Howbadisbad
    I haven't really noticed any negative changes in quality of posts recently, could they really be as bad as us?   F2P sucks!
    P2P sucks!
    Archeage is good guys I swear!
    Full loot pvp? enjoy your greifer game!
    Early access is such a scam!
    This newly announced game is definitely gonna be the best game ever!
    Why is a non mmo being featured?
    Im never buying from Trion/SOE again!
    Enjoy your themeparks casuals!
    These graphics are from 1980!

    This site has more character, you haven't really been a part of the community here, unless you have been banned a few times or received countless warnings for habitual trolling.

    By "more character" I assume you mean that in the way a tabloid news paper has more character over real newspaper . 

    Much of the community here seem to lack a lot of common sense  and  many of the articles tend to be dumbed down to some degree probably so they can be understood by people who really have very little depth of thought to them . ( there are some exceptions like SBFord which is why I come here ) 

    Sometimes articles here seem to be written to cause controversy and are very much like trolling . 

    You also cannot trust the writers on mmorpg.com because it appears sometimes a favourable review is being either paid for or being written as not to upset advertisers . 

    Most people do get warnings its almost impossible not to because the mods are pretty much out of control . You may get a warning for saying something about a game they like and disagree with you .  

    Sadly this is about only site you can come to for mmo news now at least until the guys at Massively get their new site operational once that happens and there is a site which is well written,run and presented mmorpg.com can kiss goodbye to a lot of its revenue unless it ups its game . 

    I will probably just read the headlines to see whats going on and then google what I am interested in and read an article elsewhere for the most part . 

    Look forward to whatever pheonix rises from the ashes of Massively . 

  • JacobinJacobin Toronto, ONMember UncommonPosts: 965
    They are closing due to AOL getting out of the specialty blog business, it has nothing at all to do with the viability of the site or state of the genre.
  • nariusseldonnariusseldon santa clara, CAMember RarePosts: 27,659
    Originally posted by Nihilist
    They are closing due to AOL getting out of the specialty blog business, it has nothing at all to do with the viability of the site or state of the genre.

    I doubt that.

    If the site is so popular that it is driving millions dollars of ads every month, i highly doubt AOL will shut it down. It certainly is not performing good enough for them to notice if they kill it amongst a bunch of stuff.

    Or if it is so valuable, as opposed to close down the hens that lays the good eggs, at least AOL would sell it to someone.

     

  • CecropiaCecropia Member UncommonPosts: 3,966
    Originally posted by nariusseldon
    Originally posted by Nihilist
    They are closing due to AOL getting out of the specialty blog business, it has nothing at all to do with the viability of the site or state of the genre.

    I doubt that.

    If the site is so popular that it is driving millions dollars of ads every month, i highly doubt AOL will shut it down. It certainly is not performing good enough for them to notice if they kill it amongst a bunch of stuff.

    Or if it is so valuable, as opposed to close down the hens that lays the good eggs, at least AOL would sell it to someone.

    You can doubt 'till the cows come home, but make sure you catch yourself up with what's going on before you fire off those posts of yours.

    "We all suspected this was coming eventually a year ago when a VP whose name I don't even know and who never read our site chose to reward our staggering, hard-won 40% year-over-year page view growth by... hacking our budget in half. There's nothing to do in the face of that kind of logic but throw your hands in the air. It's not about merit or lack thereof, and it's not about journalism or gaming being dead or anything grand like that, so there's no point in taking it personally."

    From this

    Edumacate yourself.

    "Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb

  • nariusseldonnariusseldon santa clara, CAMember RarePosts: 27,659
    Originally posted by Cecropia
    Originally posted by nariusseldon
    Originally posted by Nihilist
    They are closing due to AOL getting out of the specialty blog business, it has nothing at all to do with the viability of the site or state of the genre.

    I doubt that.

    If the site is so popular that it is driving millions dollars of ads every month, i highly doubt AOL will shut it down. It certainly is not performing good enough for them to notice if they kill it amongst a bunch of stuff.

    Or if it is so valuable, as opposed to close down the hens that lays the good eggs, at least AOL would sell it to someone.

    You can doubt 'till the cows come home, but make sure you catch yourself up with what's going on before you fire off those posts of yours.

    "We all suspected this was coming eventually a year ago when a VP whose name I don't even know and who never read our site chose to reward our staggering, hard-won 40% year-over-year page view growth by... hacking our budget in half. There's nothing to do in the face of that kind of logic but throw your hands in the air. It's not about merit or lack thereof, and it's not about journalism or gaming being dead or anything grand like that, so there's no point in taking it personally."

    From this

    Edumacate yourself.

    Nothing you said here contradicts what i said.

    So what if they have a 40% year-over-year page view? May be they have so few page-view in the previous year that it does not matter. Are they making millions?

    If you show a financial statement showing that the site is making tons of money (compared to the number of staff) then I will agree it does not make sense to close it down.

    But just some page view increase? If the budget was cut in half, were they losing money before the increase, or even after the increase? More importantly what is the ROI? If you cannot turn page-view into money, it does not matter (for example, as Yahoo has been finding out).

     

  • sludgebeardsludgebeard Parts UnknownMember UncommonPosts: 788

    Why do people put up this illusion like there's nothing wrong with MMOs?

     

    If you love the genre then you have the need to critique it. There's nothing wrong with that.

  • KiyorisKiyoris BejingMember RarePosts: 2,130

    all the gaming sites that make things political are dying

    mmorpg.com stays out of politics, so their stponsors don't get hurt and they stayed completely clear of the drama

    massively and joystick are the latest victims of their own political agenda

  • KiyorisKiyoris BejingMember RarePosts: 2,130
    Originally posted by Howbadisbad
    I haven't really noticed any negative changes in quality of posts recently, could they really be as bad as us?   F2P sucks!
    P2P sucks!
    Archeage is good guys I swear!
    Full loot pvp? enjoy your greifer game!
    Early access is such a scam!
    This newly announced game is definitely gonna be the best game ever!
    Why is a non mmo being featured?
    Im never buying from Trion/SOE again!
    Enjoy your themeparks casuals!
    These graphics are from 1980!

    waffles > pancakes

  • prestodotexeprestodotexe Sebring, FLMember Posts: 35
    I have paid for a few "Alpha" stage games usually around 20$. This isn't too much money for a game imo, It helps develop a games production. I have MANY hours and fun into alot of the Alpha games you can pay to help support development and dont feel it as a waste of any money. As long as I'm happy playing the game that's great. And if the game warns you what to expect when logging in, and even the times you wont be able to login because of how buggy it is, that's great! People just need to read and if they don't like it? Dont buy it! Simple as that. Stop your complaining and calling it a scam, because if you get "scammed" into buying something without reading about it, then you shouldn't be buying anything in life.

    haha presto!

  • MassAuthorityMassAuthority HellMember Posts: 21
    Originally posted by greatskys
    Originally posted by sludgebeard
    Originally posted by Howbadisbad
    I haven't really noticed any negative changes in quality of posts recently, could they really be as bad as us?   F2P sucks!
    P2P sucks!
    Archeage is good guys I swear!
    Full loot pvp? enjoy your greifer game!
    Early access is such a scam!
    This newly announced game is definitely gonna be the best game ever!
    Why is a non mmo being featured?
    Im never buying from Trion/SOE again!
    Enjoy your themeparks casuals!
    These graphics are from 1980!

    This site has more character, you haven't really been a part of the community here, unless you have been banned a few times or received countless warnings for habitual trolling.

    By "more character" I assume you mean that in the way a tabloid news paper has more character over real newspaper . 

    Much of the community here seem to lack a lot of common sense  and  many of the articles tend to be dumbed down to some degree probably so they can be understood by people who really have very little depth of thought to them . ( there are some exceptions like SBFord which is why I come here ) 

    Sometimes articles here seem to be written to cause controversy and are very much like trolling . 

    You also cannot trust the writers on mmorpg.com because it appears sometimes a favourable review is being either paid for or being written as not to upset advertisers . 

    Most people do get warnings its almost impossible not to because the mods are pretty much out of control . You may get a warning for saying something about a game they like and disagree with you .  

    Sadly this is about only site you can come to for mmo news now at least until the guys at Massively get their new site operational once that happens and there is a site which is well written,run and presented mmorpg.com can kiss goodbye to a lot of its revenue unless it ups its game . 

    I will probably just read the headlines to see whats going on and then google what I am interested in and read an article elsewhere for the most part . 

    Look forward to whatever pheonix rises from the ashes of Massively . 

    MMOrpg.com is not a tabloid news paper; on the other hand LoLiGon, Kotaku and Massively easily fit that description. Unless of course you consider MJ's teenage-magazine writing as being the entry of quality reporting for MMOrpg news. 

    The problem with MMOrpg.com is that some its reviews are pre-paid to be favourable and that is the number one thing MMOrpgers mention when their name pops up. Another reason is the sensationalist articles like "ArcheAge Column: How ArcheAge Captures the ‘Elder Scrolls’ Spirit Better Than ESO" that are always written when they are needed the most, usually by third parties who are not only dishonest with their intentions but are also what we call in the real world as  corporate shills. The discussions so far from its community though can be pretty good and there are plenty of quality-posting and posters alike; unlike again MJ's comments section which is infected by "MMOtakumania". 

    Long story short is that this website is decent, not ideal, but decent. More decent even than the EuroShamer that practically sleeps with Publishers when reviewing; check out The Crew review for instance. 

    Writer of the column "An MMO that was once an RPG" on 2P.com

    http://2p.com/user/activity.htm?userId=54a1c09361fc18b91cb56fc3

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  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 15,012
    Originally posted by Scot
    @Tovadar - AOL used to do NWN, but are they not now part of Times-Warner? TW bought out Turbine which runs Lotro. If thats right you have a parent company which is shutting down the video games section of one arm, while another is still running a MMO. Not good.

    No they are not. Aol was never an independent entity under Time-Warner.

    In 2009 Aol was spun off into a separate and independent company. After that they bought up a bunch of digital media outlets and tried to become a big player in the game. Most of the sites they've purchased have languished. A few of them along with their patents have been sold off to maintain their position.

    Aol doesn't have a stable of mmos. They never had a stable of mmos. TW doesn't even have a stable of mmos. They have an aging game development company that has struggled under suffocating conditions and has barely been able to produce one new game in the last 8 years since they released LotRO.

    It would be better to draw conclusions based on facts. Whatever Aol is doing is about numbers just like when they sold off their billion dollar patent portfolio to Microsoft a couple years ago. They're about churning internet companies to squeeze money out of them. Joystiq for whatever readership, appears to have been perceived as having limited potential for the corporate goals.

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  • ScotScot UKMember RarePosts: 6,649

    @Torvaldar - I did not know the full story, thanks for that. But I did realise that Timers Warner likes to buy up everything and chew it up. They are to the entertainment industry what EA is to gaming. I think they only bought Lotro because they wanted the rights of anything to do with Lord of the Rings.

    @ Enbysra - The MMOs you listed were great games, maybe an indie will bring as some of that old school feel back. But the graphics might be an issue there.

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  • ScotScot UKMember RarePosts: 6,649
    Originally posted by Kiyoris
    all the gaming sites that make things political are dying mmorpg.com stays out of politics, so their stponsors don't get hurt and they stayed completely clear of the drama massively and joystick are the latest victims of their own political agenda

    Can you tell us what the political agenda was that these other sites were following? I assume it is one sponsors will not like, but what was it all about?

     

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  • ElikalElikal ValhallaMember UncommonPosts: 7,912
    Originally posted by Scot
    I think posters should be more concerned by why Massively closed. If their ad revenue could not support them, you have to ask why, it had for eight years. AOL has MMOs in its stable, but did not want to run a online MMO magazine, again why? Now there are those among us who think that everything is wonderful in MMO-land, but we have Blizzard cancelling major projects, we have studios shutting down and MMO websites shutting down. The industry has become one of short term gain with casino, easymode MMOs. It does not have the sustainability, even the surety of return that it had five years ago. But it does still make a lot of money, this is blinding people to the issues it has. Bill talking about massively in MMOFTW said "the genre may be in the weird place right now" as a gaming journalist, that's about all you are going to say. The industry has problems, MMOs take more investment and time to make than solo games, but players do not want to play them any longer than they do a solo game. The industry drove this change with everything from easymode to cash shops. They only have themselves to blame.  

     

    That's my impression too. But see also the other side: in the last few years, we had more and more MMOs being published to a point where I felt it was WAAAY too many. With such a huge pressure and fast stream of new releases, it was nigh impossible to give a MMO time to grow. I hope we don't go back to the EQ era, where every few years one MMO was released, but the constant stream of one new MMO every 2 months is ruining the genre.

     

    And then, game genres always have ups and downs. I recall right before Baldurs Gate and Diablo were released, it was said, Role Playing Games were dead, after a decade of success. It was the impression back then, RPGs had been overdone and lost the novelty and appeal, until Diablo and BG opened new chapters of RPGs. I guess MMOs need that too: a dead point and then a new, fresh start, after a couple of years.

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  • ScotScot UKMember RarePosts: 6,649

    Seven years ago we thought there were too many MMOs to maintain a viable population in them all. But MMO design gave up on the idea of needing a viable MMO population, they went for a population like solo games. Tons of people at first with a huge drop of after a month or two and minimal long term players in a gaming tourist trap.

    There is always hope, just don't hold your breath. :)

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