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Characters in Everquest Next are they in the Uncanny valley

phoenixxusphoenixxus tampa, FLPosts: 27Member

I am a EQ fanboy love the games been playing EQ one and two for years so when i heard that EQ Next was coming out i was excited to say the least, What it was announced and i saw the character graphics i was a little taken back. This year at EQ live i heard about stoybricks which is very interesting to me in a game mechanic but i keep getting pulled back to the character graphics. So i wanted to start a thread to have a constructive discussion on what others think. So what do you think?

Below i linked a video over at  extra credits on youtube they made a great video on the Uncanny Valley. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9K1Kd9mZL8g

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  • MarkusrindMarkusrind CrawleyPosts: 359Member
    EQN is using a stylised art style so I am not sure your question is really valid as the stuff about uncanny Valley relates to using a realistic art style, which EQN is not.
  • phoenixxusphoenixxus tampa, FLPosts: 27Member
    Originally posted by Markusrind
    EQN is using a stylized art style so I am not sure your question is really valid as the stuff about uncanny Valley relates to using a realistic art style, which EQN is not.

    You did not watch the video did you the uncanny Valley is much more that just a realistic style it is how human perception of the character graphic and any  video is only 8 minutes.

  • 3-4thElf3-4thElf Elftown, MEPosts: 489Member
    Nope.

    a yo ho ho

  • CopperfieldCopperfield RotterdamPosts: 192Member Uncommon

    wow is cartoon.. and still leading mmo after many years..

     

    EQnext will be cartoony aswell. basic math

  • MarkusrindMarkusrind CrawleyPosts: 359Member
    Originally posted by phoenixxus
    Originally posted by Markusrind
    EQN is using a stylized art style so I am not sure your question is really valid as the stuff about uncanny Valley relates to using a realistic art style, which EQN is not.

    You did not watch the video did you the uncanny Valley is much more that just a realistic style it is how human perception of the character graphic and any  video is only 8 minutes.

    I have watched it a number of times.

    My point still stands.

  • NanfoodleNanfoodle Posts: 5,447Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by phoenixxus
    Originally posted by Markusrind
    EQN is using a stylized art style so I am not sure your question is really valid as the stuff about uncanny Valley relates to using a realistic art style, which EQN is not.

    You did not watch the video did you the uncanny Valley is much more that just a realistic style it is how human perception of the character graphic and any  video is only 8 minutes.

    No he was right, its about being so real its scary but that small % off that makes it creepy because its not 100% like the real thing. EQN is not shooting for anything close to real looking. Its 100% stylized and shooting for something more like a Disney look. You want to talk about that, many of us are game but the title is off as this is not the uncanny valley. Its the point well behind where you get to the uncanny valley. IMO this is the rout to go with any MMO as it add longevity. The more close to real looking you make it the faster it goes out of style. I think games like Wildstar went to far info cartoonish but I think SoE found a balance that keeps EQN looking good but keeps away from to real looking so it does not get dated fast.


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  • phoenixxusphoenixxus tampa, FLPosts: 27Member
    Originally posted by Nanfoodle
    Originally posted by phoenixxus
    Originally posted by Markusrind
    EQN is using a stylized art style so I am not sure your question is really valid as the stuff about uncanny Valley relates to using a realistic art style, which EQN is not.

    You did not watch the video did you the uncanny Valley is much more that just a realistic style it is how human perception of the character graphic and any  video is only 8 minutes.

    No he was right, its about being so real its scary but that small % off that makes it creepy because its not 100% like the real thing. EQN is not shooting for anything close to real looking. Its 100% stylized and shooting for something more like a Disney look. You want to talk about that, many of us are game but the title is off as this is not the uncanny valley. Its the point well behind where you get to the uncanny valley. IMO this is the rout to go with any MMO as it add longevity. The more close to real looking you make it the faster it goes out of style. I think games like Wildstar went to far info cartoonish but I think SoE found a balance that keeps EQN looking good but keeps away from to real looking so it does not get dated fast.

    I think your right with Wildstar but did you see the EQ mote system that uses a camera to pick up your facial expressions and apply them to your avatar i was kind of creepy to me. Don't get me wrong i really want this game to make it. But i keep getting the ick feeling with i look at the character graphics but i also did with wildstar. 

  • NanfoodleNanfoodle Posts: 5,447Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by phoenixxus
    Originally posted by Nanfoodle
    Originally posted by phoenixxus
    Originally posted by Markusrind
    EQN is using a stylized art style so I am not sure your question is really valid as the stuff about uncanny Valley relates to using a realistic art style, which EQN is not.

    You did not watch the video did you the uncanny Valley is much more that just a realistic style it is how human perception of the character graphic and any  video is only 8 minutes.

    No he was right, its about being so real its scary but that small % off that makes it creepy because its not 100% like the real thing. EQN is not shooting for anything close to real looking. Its 100% stylized and shooting for something more like a Disney look. You want to talk about that, many of us are game but the title is off as this is not the uncanny valley. Its the point well behind where you get to the uncanny valley. IMO this is the rout to go with any MMO as it add longevity. The more close to real looking you make it the faster it goes out of style. I think games like Wildstar went to far info cartoonish but I think SoE found a balance that keeps EQN looking good but keeps away from to real looking so it does not get dated fast.

    I think your right with Wildstar but did you see the EQ mote system that uses a camera to pick up your facial expressions and apply them to your avatar i was kind of creepy to me. Don't get me wrong i really want this game to make it. But i keep getting the ick feeling with i look at the character graphics but i also did with wildstar. 

    I use soemote in EQ2, its awesome. I hate with voice chat never knowing who is talking. With SoE mote you can tell who is talking and you get to know peoples voices faster. Its also a lot of fun to use. I know it sounds odd but sometimes in groups we have stopped just to make faces at each other lol. And that still not the uncanny valley. Here is a pic that may help you understand it better.

     

    EQN char models would be to the left of that uncanny valley. Before you get to creepy on the right of it. EQN shoots for over sized eyes and expression that are larger then life. Thats how you know its stylized. 


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  • dandurindandurin Santa Clara, CAPosts: 493Member

    Somewhat ironic thread, as in reality EQ2 was the contemporary master of the Uncanny Valley in it's day, as was EQ.

     

    It's the stylized cartoonish games that avoid it.

  • NanfoodleNanfoodle Posts: 5,447Member Uncommon

    This pic makes me think of Disney so much it makes me laugh =-D

     


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  • MarkusrindMarkusrind CrawleyPosts: 359Member
    Originally posted by Nanfoodle

    This pic makes me think of Disney so much it makes me laugh =-D

     

    You can understand why some people dislike the art style of EQN when they compared it with Disney though.

    I mean, Disney are lucky to still be going after 91 years...it is luck right, not skill or artistic talent? :)

    I simply love SOEmote!

  • NanfoodleNanfoodle Posts: 5,447Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Markusrind
    Originally posted by Nanfoodle

    This pic makes me think of Disney so much it makes me laugh =-D

     

     

    You can understand why some people dislike the art style of EQN when they compared it with Disney though.

    I mean, Disney are lucky to still be going after 91 years...it is luck right, not skill or artistic talent? :)

    I simply love SOEmote!

    EQN art style is not for everyone. For me it one part of the art style I love, maybe its cuse I grew up on that crap lol


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  • laseritlaserit Vancouver, BCPosts: 1,937Member Uncommon

    What ever happened to

     

    "I don't care about graphic's, it's the gameplay and features that are important"

     

    ???

     

     

     

     

    "If you make an ass out of yourself, there will always be someone to ride you." - Bruce Lee

  • MarkusrindMarkusrind CrawleyPosts: 359Member
    Originally posted by Nanfoodle
    Originally posted by Markusrind
    Originally posted by Nanfoodle

    This pic makes me think of Disney so much it makes me laugh =-D

     

     

    You can understand why some people dislike the art style of EQN when they compared it with Disney though.

    I mean, Disney are lucky to still be going after 91 years...it is luck right, not skill or artistic talent? :)

    I simply love SOEmote!

    EQN art style is not for everyone. For me it one part of the art style I love, maybe its cuse I grew up on that crap lol

    So far the graphics for EQN could be stick figures for all I care. What I have read about, seen video's of, had explained to me through reviews, experienced in Landmark and even had explained to me by the devs themselves tells me the game is going to rock. The fact I actually like watching Disney films and the art style doesn't bother me is just a bonus.

     

     

  • MarkusrindMarkusrind CrawleyPosts: 359Member
    Originally posted by laserit

    What ever happened to

     

    "I don't care about graphic's, it's the gameplay and features that are important"

     

    ??? 

    If you are trying to put a game down you don't use the same arguments that you have defended on other games you revert back to picking holes in the subjective stuff that is just a matter of opinion and bash everyone on that, not the most important part of the game.

     

  • Gallus85Gallus85 Winter Park, FLPosts: 1,092Member

    As already stated by others, uncanny valley applies when anything, (robots, video games, movie CGI, paintings, etc) trying to look ultra-realistic, but are slightly off, so it looks weird/creepy.

    EQN is stylized in it's character art, so Uncanny Valley doesn't apply here.

     

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  • SengiSengi HamburgPosts: 350Member
    Originally posted by Nanfoodle
    Originally posted by Markusrind
    Originally posted by Nanfoodle

    This pic makes me think of Disney so much it makes me laugh =-D

    You can understand why some people dislike the art style of EQN when they compared it with Disney though.

    I mean, Disney are lucky to still be going after 91 years...it is luck right, not skill or artistic talent? :)

    I simply love SOEmote!

    EQN art style is not for everyone. For me it one part of the art style I love, maybe its cuse I grew up on that crap lol

    This picture makes me think of Disney so much that it makes me cry.

    It is not for everyone, much like Haggis is not for everyone.

    The sad thing is that it would have been so easy to create an art style that is for everyone. There would have been so many possibilities. It could have been stylized or more realistic, but why the hell had it to be Disney? Why would anybody like EQN to be associated with Disney? Who wanted this?

    The reactions I heard reach from "I hate it" to "it looks ok" and "I don't care about graphics". But I never heard someone saying "Wow, this looks just like Frozen. I always wanted Everquest to be like a Disney movie".

    EQN looks so promising but character graphics and animations kind of spoil the fun.

  • GrayImpactGrayImpact NetherlandsPosts: 983Member Uncommon

    I thought uncanny valley was the feeling you got from very realistic looking things that are just a little off / wrong / surreal.

    EQNext is completely cartoony, it doesn't even come close to the concept as i know it.

     

    I never played any of the Everquest games, but personally absolutely adore the character styles they're going with!

  • ThestrainThestrain SydneyPosts: 390Member
    Originally posted by phoenixxus

    I am a EQ fanboy love the games been playing EQ one and two for years so when i heard that EQ Next was coming out i was excited to say the least, What it was announced and i saw the character graphics i was a little taken back. This year at EQ live i heard about stoybricks which is very interesting to me in a game mechanic but i keep getting pulled back to the character graphics. So i wanted to start a thread to have a constructive discussion on what others think. So what do you think?

    Below i linked a video over at  extra credits on youtube they made a great video on the Uncanny Valley. 

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9K1Kd9mZL8g

    Yep even i am confused with your post. EQ Nextt is clearly stylized which put it out of the area of 'uncanny valley'.

     

  • BoltharBolthar Winter Springs, FLPosts: 62Member
    I don't think it matters to me how realistic vrs "cartoony" the characters look for me its about the gameplay experience and immersion is part of it. if I don't get into my character then I am not going to play much. Honestly I don't think EQ devs are looking at this from the uncanny valley perspective so much as a style based decision. Had they tried for a less cartoony style I am sure the other mechanics could still be pulled off and draw in potential gamers. I wish it had been made a bit more realistic but I'll still give it a log in try at least. If it fails to draw me in then it will sit there like the other MMOs that have failed to captivate me.
  • AeanderAeander Walker, LAPosts: 522Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Nanfoodle

    This pic makes me think of Disney so much it makes me laugh =-D

     

     

    She's so expressive and vibrant. I love it.

     

     

    EQN's art style is endearing.

  • TheLizardbonesTheLizardbones Arkham, VAPosts: 10,910Member
    EQN's art doesn't get into the Uncanny Valley.  They aren't even trying to make it look realistic.  The art is very stylized, as some said "Disney-esque".  Now, does it look good?  Well, that's up to the person viewing it.

    I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.

  • Jagwar_FangJagwar_Fang Lexington Park, MDPosts: 262Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by lizardbones
    EQN's art doesn't get into the Uncanny Valley.  They aren't even trying to make it look realistic.  The art is very stylized, as some said "Disney-esque".  Now, does it look good?  Well, that's up to the person viewing it.

    Exactly.  It is stylized and to the left of the uncanny valley because it is stylized and even with soemote I doubt many will get creeped out because we've seen that same sort of style/emotions for a lot of years from Disney. 

    Personally, I was looking forward to this title until I saw the art style and the combat video drove the last nail in the coffin for me.  Sorry, I am one of those that hate the direction SOE went. 

  • jusomdudejusomdude Somewhere, KSPosts: 2,401Member

    MMOs aren't really suited for state of the art graphics. They have to display too much at a time. Life like graphics would just kill even top end systems.

    Anyhow, I love stylized graphics. Love EQN/Landmark character looks. I get enough realistic graphics in real life.

  • RydesonRydeson Canton, OHPosts: 3,858Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by jusomdude

    MMOs aren't really suited for state of the art graphics. They have to display too much at a time. Life like graphics would just kill even top end systems.

    Anyhow, I love stylized graphics. Love EQN/Landmark character looks. I get enough realistic graphics in real life.

         I agree.. I can do with less "life like" and more performance..  I don't have a problem with stylized like EQN and GW2 art.. Heck I even liked WoW..  However, I think the world terrain can be toned down a bit..  To my eyes, the world is more "life like" then the avatars in the game..  They don't seem to match.. 

         Anyways.. the reason I responded and wanted to add.. I would love to see less flash eye candy combat and allow today's machines to shine with combat performance.. I remember when lag was a huge problem when you get 30 or more people in a tight area.. Now, we have the technology to deal with that, but what did we do, we elevated the bar again (more detail) that still required our video cards to draw too much and lag is still a problem..  Grrrrr..  An example would be a ranger.. Do I really need to see some flash lightening bolt coming from bow where it looks like I'm stuck in some star wars combat scene?   NO.. I don't..   When my warrior does a sweep move with his sward, do we need to see a rainbow of colors?  NO..

         Just my 2 cp

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