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WildStar is not listed as a "Online Game" so it isn't categorized. There are novels under the name WildStar. The isn't enough interest in the game yet to have it categorized.
I wouldn't say vgchartz captures a good percentage of sales for trend analysis. A quick click on their websites "methodology" explains how they do things (copy pasta from their site):
VGChartz Methodology
Data-Collection Methodology
All sales estimates on VGChartz are arrived at via a number of proprietrary and ever-developing methods:
All data is regularly checked against manufacturer shipments and data released publicly from other tracking firms to ensure accuracy. VGChartz holds no responsibility for the use of our data – any business decisions made are made at your own risk.
Regional Definitions
Data is directly estimated in the following countries on a weekly basis for around 5000 SKUs using the methodology outlined above:
GW2 flopped within a month? That's weird...
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Just a quick FYI , both of SWTOR's released expansions are now free but the first one needs you to sign up for a months worth of subscription. Otherwise I don't know that site but yeah fuel for a discussion no boubt.
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I wouldn't say flopped, but player interest and in game observations prove it's been in a downhill turn since release. Most zones were empty, lower WvW tiers are dead or dying. The Megaserver was a good move, but I feel as if server merges would of helped the WvW fans a lot more than a PvE Megaserver. It's standard MMO procedure these days, and I as much as anyone hope GW2 stays around and continues to make improvements to become the game it was meant to be rather than what we got dropped in our laps now.
Currently Playing: ESO and FFXIV
Have played: You name it
If you mention rose tinted glasses, you better be referring to Mitch Hedberg.
Where did the idea that each individual MMORPG must grow interest over time, forever? It's not from older MMORPGs, unless you are looking at WoW. The newer games generate interest much faster, and the hold more interest longer than older MMORPGs.
Here's the chart for LoL, Minecraft and DOTA2 for the curious.
http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=%2Fm%2F04n3w2r%2C%20%2Fm%2F0dlkwn1%2C%20%2Fm%2F09v6kpg&cmpt=q
Very interesting, except it looks like the games have plateaued.
What's happening here is that you're calling normal behavior "bad". Most video games generate a lot of interest very quickly, and then decline. Especially MMORPGs. There are some games that do not follow this trend, but you'll notice those games do something brand new, or are the first of a particular kind of game to become very popular. This too is pretty normal.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
Lower WvW tiers were always empty, even at launch. Merging WvW in anything but the bottom of bottom tiers would be a catastrophe, and is downright impossible on EU because every language has a heavily populated server and a not so populated but still active server or two. Merge them and people can't play, merge them and you kill the entire lower-central GvG tier that is on purpose on low-tier maps to avoid queues.
GW2 has been financially profitable for its entire lifespan, and at the end of the day that is what matters. Its stable, just like its predecessor.
Except GW2's "decline" stage exceeds the steady state stage for most MMORPGs. What good is it to have some "slow growth" or "constant growth" if the size of the MMORPG is tiny?
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
A fine point and one worthy of thought. I can respect that view. I just feel like a lot of GW fans were let down by the release and at the end of the day customer satisfaction is worth more to a company than a larger profit margin.
You may very well be right in saying empty lower tiers is a good thing though.
Currently Playing: ESO and FFXIV
Have played: You name it
If you mention rose tinted glasses, you better be referring to Mitch Hedberg.
I would say the steady stage is comparable to MMOs like SWTOR.
Ok, so some interesting numbers from more recent retail/digital releases:
In 2012 http://www.vgchartz.com/game/65124/world-of-warcraft-mists-of-pandaria/Global/ indicates that Mists of Pandaria sold 650k copies the first week, Blizzard announced 2.7 million.
In 2010 http://www.vgchartz.com/game/38102/world-of-warcraft-cataclysm/Global/ indicates Cataclysm sold 778k copies in the first week, but Blizzard announced 3.3 million copies sold in the first 24 hours!!
This is 2 and 4 years ago, respectively!!!!! And the difference in sales was 4 or 5 to 1!!! Digital sales have only increased, too. Especially since they don't have to pay a retailer on first-party sales. Plus, there were 4 versions of ESO sitting in the top 15 on Amazon since the pre-order was announced. The games are still in the top 100 and have been there now for 3 months!!!
Sorry, but the vgchartz numbers are becoming more and more outdated. It might still be applicable for console games, since that's still the main method of delivery for those, but for PC games, and especially MMOs which usually already have beta clients on their customers' PCs, it's just not accurate.
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When compared to other games you can only count one thing. How popular it is at launch to other games. By no means can you count its success or failure as each game needs a different amount of subs to make a profit. Its clear GW2 did better then the other 2 on the list, but again how many still play and pay is a bigger part of the numbers we dont see. Many were screaming ESO was going to sell 10-20 mill copies. From what we see there I think thats unlikely. So the numbers are good for a few things.
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Well to be fair even though I am admittedly a fan of ESO, I really did not expect it to sell as well as GW2 or SWToR. Star Wars is one of the biggest, if not the biggest overall IPs you can find, and GW2 not having a sub fee as well as bringing in hundreds of thousands of fans in from the original game helped boost sales as well.
I didn't really expect ESO to set any kind of sales milestones, it's a niche game for people who prefer an older style of game play with ES lore and game play.
Currently Playing: ESO and FFXIV
Have played: You name it
If you mention rose tinted glasses, you better be referring to Mitch Hedberg.
Well, using your example of layoffs it appears Zenimax is doing great if you look at http://jobs.zenimax.com/search ......over 80 positions available there!
It's interesting how the discussion about games are games in itself. Forum PVP at its best.
Fact is: the game is good. The game has problems. The game has a huge fanbase from which they drew their playerbase. The game sold adequately, and since it had no IP costs, they can recoup things relatively fast.
It all hinges on how fast they can deliver good content, and how well they can neutralize RMT and botting. So far, I am enjoying the game, even with its flaws. The game has a strange allure for me, with its vistas and systems. I frankly thought I'd have more issues with it than I currently do (speaking as a TES whore).
But please, keep on the theorycraft and mathemagic. It is highly entertaining!
I think publishers are just going to make it harder and harder for people to know how many copies of something actually sold. I don't think they don't really want anyone to have a clear idea, especially with MMORPGs. There's just no way to give transparent information and have it not be presented in a negative light.
Great sales? Awesome! Why aren't they great now, after 6 months? Never mind that 99%+ of video games have the majority of their sales at release. Never mind that most MMORPGs behave the same way. Abnormal Behavior is the new Expectation!
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
Its rare you see any sales numbers in the first month of release. So much changing fast fast at the start there is almost no reason to.
I was not sure because of the console side of it, there is a HUGE fan base that millions and millions of copies of TES games have been bought and traded. But as you say it seems to have fallen in the niche market. That is not a bad thing, its just what it is.
I thought ESO fit the B2P market better then any other game given that thats how most TES fans are used to playing this series. Buy the game and pay for mount packages and new DLC. (((shrugs))) I think they would have gotten a lot more console gamers that way who are now at box price+sub+console service fee.
lol, I know its frustrating, but I kind of look at it like the movie The Hobbit. Review sites gave it 5's, 6's, and 7s but it still sold extremely well, most fans enjoyed it despite what you would read on the forums, and DVD and download sales despite reviews did quite well. ALso, despite what anyone thought I watched the movie twice and loved it (even though like ESO, the beginning was a little slow) :-) lol.
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