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Community demands wall of shame, SV censors communtiy

psykobillypsykobilly NYC, NYPosts: 338Member

 

To recap today's lol-event over at the Mortal forums, a great poll was posted asking if the community wanted SV to institute a wall shame system similar to Darkfall's unholy banhammer - especially after the latest duping event.

The poll was gaining steam, and got to about 40 votes for, only 5 against before GM Discord deleted the entire thing.

The main dev then responded in this thread:

http://www.mortalonline.com/forums/threads/where-is-the-wall-of-shame-poll.99716/

As you can see from the replies - the dev has little ground to stand on.  Every reason he gave for not implementing the wall of shame was complete and utter nonsense.  It seems the GM's really are incompetent and lazy.

A smart business would see this kind of community demand for transparency as an opportunity to deliver and impress with relatively little work...  SV just gets defensive, deletes threads, and ruins an opportunity to show the community it is listening.

ps.  You see diphling?  This is why we take any serious discussion about SV/Mortal to MMORPG where we don't get arbitrarily censored. 

 

 

Comments

  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Boca Raton, FLPosts: 4,492Member Uncommon

    Community made another thread.  Developer posted excuses for not acting.  Players (including MANY hardcore defenders of the game) tear the weak arguments to shreads.  GM locks the thread.

    http://www.mortalonline.com/forums/threads/where-is-the-wall-of-shame-poll.99716/

     

    Will likely disappear at some point as well...

     

     

    "I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator

    Starvault's reponse to criticism related to having a handful of players as the official "test" team for a supposed MMO: "We've just have another 10ish folk kind enough to voulenteer added tot the test team" (SIC) This explains much about the state of the game :-)

  • deathshrouddeathshroud londonPosts: 1,366Member
    they once had a wall of shame but sadly it was removed shortly after the first set of names went up

    there are 2 types of mmo, imitators and innovaters.

  • ToferioToferio RandomPosts: 1,403Member Uncommon
    SV don't give two shits about their community, the forums are a great sign of that where they delete whatever they dislike instead of discussing it like mature adults. 
  • CaptainObviousCaptainObvious CoventryPosts: 39Member
    If it was backdated it would make SV look like shit. You would be Suprised by how many prominent members of the MO community would appear on it.
  • DamonVileDamonVile Vancouver, BCPosts: 4,818Member
    40 people is"the MO community"? 
  • argiropargirop AthensPosts: 300Member
    Even if they accept what community demands and they introduce this wall of shame, who is so naive to believe that that they will magically stop favour certain individuals (mostly donors)? The solution to the problem is a bit more complicated and it starts from within the GM team. As long as there are volunteer GM's and councilors a "wall of shame" will never complete its purpose. And between you and me i dont see them hiring any professional GM's in the near future.
  • ZeerahaZeeraha ZagrebPosts: 67Member
    Originally posted by argirop
    Even if they accept what community demands and they introduce this wall of shame, who is so naive to believe that that they will magically stop favour certain individuals (mostly donors)? The solution to the problem is a bit more complicated and it starts from within the GM team. As long as there are volunteer GM's and councilors a "wall of shame" will never complete its purpose. And between you and me i dont see them hiring any professional GM's in the near future.

    Agree. SV simply has no capacity to maintain the list in a quality way. Here is the dev response on it. IMO arguments are truly valid.

     

    "No we don't like the idea. 
    We discussed this a while a back and decided not to.
    Here are some of my own thoughts on why not!

    1.With our model, most of the accounts wouldn't be real accounts, they would be RandomDude80085.

    2.It would take time from someone to find all the names of the different ways we ban.. say an IP ban, someone would have to find that IP and the accounts connected to it and write down the used accounts.
    Wouldn't take a lot of time, but more then no time.

    3.Anyone here could open up the darkfall account FarmerJoe or .. Discord and then go on a cheating spree until the account got banned. That way I would end up on that list without me doing anything. These are fake names but the hold some kind of value for the person who uses them. Say if I then want to join a guild in MO and that guild-leader searchers for my username to check me out, he would think I'm a cheater.

    4.It would pressure GMs into banning people. Hey if nothing happened on that list of banned people what would the community say? Think you would go "hey, looks like they got rid of most of the cheaters" ..no you would probably say "hey GMs aren't doing anything!". This would put pressure the GMs into banning people rather then just stick to their written rules and base all of their decision of that. 

    Still I think it's an interesting discussion but right now I don't think it's a good idea."

    Permalink : http://mortalonline.com/forums/threads/where-is-the-wall-of-shame-poll.99716/#post-1711877

  • KothosesKothoses GalwayPosts: 760Member Uncommon

    The mentality of some players in games like this never ceases to amaze me, the players are why games like this remain niche.

     

    What purpose does such a wall form other than a way for people to point laugh and maybe grief those who go up there?  and as we all know, a small portion of such bans are wrongfully assigned, retractions can be posted but the damage is done to that persons reputation potentially ruining their experience after the episode.

    So again, what purpose does this serve? 

     

    Also 40 people does not constitute the "Community" it is 40 people.  Unless you believe that is the entire community of this game.

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  • psykobillypsykobilly NYC, NYPosts: 338Member
    Originally posted by Kothoses

    Also 40 people does not constitute the "Community" it is 40 people.  Unless you believe that is the entire community of this game.

    The thread was deleted in the first 10 minutes of existence.  It only got to 40 people because of censorship.  I was pointing out the 5 to 40 relative trend in favor of a ban wall.  

    Why don't you go look at any other poll posted on the Mortal forums that did not get censored and tell us how many people voted in total.

     

  • TheLizardbonesTheLizardbones Arkham, VAPosts: 10,910Member

    The developer has a good point about the names.  If MO is a F2P game, so the majority of the names on the list aren't going to mean anything to anyone.  The other points about technical limitations or pressuring mods to ban people seems like gibberish.  I would worry a little about even playing the game if their method of tracking IP addresses and players is pen and paper, as was implied.

     

    Every time I hear details about this game it just reinforces the idea that something is really wrong here.

     

    I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.

  • ToferioToferio RandomPosts: 1,403Member Uncommon
    Another lovely example of how SV handles critique from the community, guy questions GM and thread gets locked with no explanation: http://www.mortalonline.com/forums/threads/removed-from-help-chat-feedback-for-gm-drusus.99963/
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